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Posted Sep 30, 2013 @ 2:55 PM

With the breakout hit last year being Scandal, why should we be scandalized now that a series focuses on leads that cheat?  We even have a president of the U.S. doing his own dirty work in hand-killing a member of the Supreme Court, and all indications are that the audience is pulling for him and for the woman who cheats with him.

 

 

Audiences also pulled for Tony Soprano, Dexter, and many other murderers/adulterers.  Sometimes protaganists are sinners.


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Posted Sep 30, 2013 @ 5:28 PM

Despite the fact I tend not to get into these types of shows (Adultery!  Love at first sight!!), I decided to give the pilot a go after hearing recent Emmy winner James Cromwell was in this.  One of my favorite character actors of all time.  Even slogged through the later episodes of Do No Harm for him.

 

It... wasn't bad.  Wasn't bored or anything, but I couldn't warm up to the leads.  Yes, I agree that compared to say, meth kingpins, mobsters, serial killers, and the freaking Lannisters, adulterers aren't that high on the "asshole" scale these days.  But I just didn't buy the sudden attraction, there really wasn't much chemistry when they were together, and separately, I wasn't impressed.  In general, Sarah just comes off mopey, insecure, and seems to take any disagreement personally, and Jack comes off kind of sleazy.  And, right now, I don't think any of their spouses deserve it.  It's going to take more then the husband not liking that tie and not being able to cancel his entire damn work day to suddenly have coffee with Sarah, to make me understand why she automatically went into Cheattown.  And I saw nothing wrong with Jack's wife at all.  If they're doing it on purpose, that's cool, but I have the feeling we're suppose to think their spouses suck, and this is right.  Meh.

 

Not sure what to make of all the Karsten drama.  I wonder if Henry Thomas really did kill the uncle or not.  And, of course, James Cromwell will end up being a very bad dude.  He flipped that food tray!  That's straight out the Bad Guy Playbook.  When things don't go their way, they lose their shit and throw/flip stuff!  Maybe next week, he'll slam his fist down on a table!

 

Stuart Townsend's alright, but I have to admit that, for me, he used to always be known only as "the lucky bastard dating Charlize Theron" at first, but now that they are broken up, he's back to "the guy who couldn't cut it as Aragorn in Lord of the Rings, so he was replaced by Viggo Mortensen."  Sorry, Stuart.

 

 

 

I don't know the actress who plays Sarah, so I don't know if she's new to tv shows

 

I was curious myself, and it seems the biggest thing Hannah Ware has done was that Boss show on Starz, that starred Kelsey Grammar.  Interestingly, it was also shot and set in Chicago, so I thought maybe she was from that area, but she's actually British.  Go figure.  She is very, very pretty.

 

Maybe I just watch way too much risque television, but I didn't understand why ABC was going all out in the "Adult Content!  Viewer Discretion Advised!!"  Was it the whole adultery theme?  Because the sex scenes didn't seem that bad, unless it was concern over that brief shot of Jack between Sarah's legs, or that very brief shot of Hannah Ware's side-boob.  But with all that warnings, I was starting to think where we're going to go old-school, NYPD Blue butt-shots with the show.


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Posted Sep 30, 2013 @ 6:55 PM

 

Maybe I just watch way too much risque television, but I didn't understand why ABC was going all out in the "Adult Content!  Viewer Discretion Advised!!"  Was it the whole adultery theme?  Because the sex scenes didn't seem that bad, unless it was concern over that brief shot of Jack between Sarah's legs, or that very brief shot of Hannah Ware's side-boob.  But with all that warnings, I was starting to think where we're going to go old-school, NYPD Blue butt-shots with the show.

I think it started after one of the promos aired during Good Morning America, and a mother got upset and claimed that ABC was showing porn at 7 am. The PTC got involved and threatened boycotts.


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Posted Oct 1, 2013 @ 10:22 AM

Don't get attached.

 

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Stuart Townsend is a nice actor and attractive, so maybe one day he'll find what's right for him.


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Posted Oct 1, 2013 @ 11:00 AM

 

Don't get attached.

 

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Stuart Townsend is a nice actor and attractive, so maybe one day he'll find what's right for him.

 

I don't know if I should be happy or pissed that they aren't going to give this a little more time. Thank you for posting.

 

 

 

I was curious myself, and it seems the biggest thing Hannah Ware has done was that Boss show on Starz, that starred Kelsey Grammar.  Interestingly, it was also shot and set in Chicago, so I thought maybe she was from that area, but she's actually British.  Go figure.  She is very, very pretty.

Thank you for the information. I wouldn't have guessed she was British. I do agree with you. She is very pretty. There seems to be so many very attractive people on tv. I mean always, but lately, to me and my friends at least. They also all seem to look alike which I'm not enjoying. I get confused who is on what show. Lol.

 

 

Maybe I just watch way too much risque television, but I didn't understand why ABC was going all out in the "Adult Content!  Viewer Discretion Advised!!"  Was it the whole adultery theme?  Because the sex scenes didn't seem that bad

I was shocked at that also. It's regular tv. They can't show too much. I also didn't think it was too risque.

If you want to see porn or lots of nudity and too much sex and violence, just watch cable. My goodness. Every friggin show on cable is pretty much porn. Not complaining, but in reality as a woman, I don't need to see fully naked women having sex scenes with fully clothed men. Not fair.


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Posted Oct 5, 2013 @ 2:40 PM

For some reason I thought the cheating would happen a few episodes in, not the very first episode. Whenever cheating happens in the very first episode, I think it's a little harder to understand why people would throw away their marriages so easily.

 

I also thought the characters would look more conflicted.

 

 I did think the leads had chemistry (not scorching, extremely hot chemistry, but enough to not throw shoes at the screen), but I was expecting their spouses to be mean ogres. And when the spouses didn't seem like terrible people to be married to, I found myself wondering why there wasn't more conflict on the parts of the cheaters. (I know Scandal has cheating in it, but the people on that show look conflicted -- that's probably why the audience isn't as put off by their cheating. They seem to suffer consequences for it, and they look depressed most of the time.)

 

Other than that, I didn't think this particular show about cheating was that bad,  but maybe that's because Mistresses was so much worse.  

 

Right now, the lady cheater seems to becoming off as way dumber than the male cheater, but maybe that's because I think the male cheater has a secret plan!


Edited by bantering, Oct 5, 2013 @ 3:53 PM.

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Posted Oct 5, 2013 @ 4:04 PM

For some reason I thought the cheating would happen a few episodes in, not the very first episode. Whenever cheating happens in the very first episode, I think it's a little harder to understand why people would throw away their marriages so easily.

 

Yeah, I don't necessarily  have a problem with shows about people cheating, because it's a TV show.  But I have to understand the reason for why people are doing it.  Here it seemed like they were both fairly happily married, met a person they only had a little chemistry with, and jumped into bed.


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Posted Oct 5, 2013 @ 4:25 PM

Right now, the lady cheater seems to becoming off as way dumber than the male cheater, but maybe that's because I think the male cheater has a secret plan!

 

Good thought. I like it.


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Posted Oct 6, 2013 @ 11:27 PM

This episode explored both the ADA husband and wife of Stuart Townsend and it made me understand even less where the affair came from. Both spouses seem committed to their marriages and nice.


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Posted Oct 6, 2013 @ 11:41 PM

This episode explored both the ADA husband and wife of Stuart Townsend and it made me understand even less where the affair came from. Both spouses seem committed to their marriages and nice.

 

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. In the pilot, Jack (Stuart's character) said that he had known his wife since he was a teenager as he worked for her family, so I thought maybe he was just unhappy because he married someone based on familiarity, and not love, but I have no idea what Sarah's excuse is. To be honest, she came off a bit nutty tonight.

 

And speaking of Sarah, did it seem like the actress was having a hard time with her American accent? It was especially noticeable during the street confrontation.


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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 9:00 AM

 

And speaking of Sarah, did it seem like the actress was having a hard time with her American accent? It was especially noticeable during the street confrontation.

 

I guess that's what it is. The actress is passable when she's just talking normally but when she gets riled up or is in a confrontation, like the one on the street, something seems off. I didn't know she did not have an American accent but that makes sense now.   

 

I really wanted to like this show but it has not gotten me yet.  As as been mentioned, I have no idea why the two lead cheated.  I don't feel any real chemistry between them so I'm having a hard time buying them together, or buying that they want to be together or whatever.  I will say that most men would not have let that bubble bath opportunity pass with a "if only I didn't have to wake up so early".

 

I'm surprised the widow caved so early in the series and gave up TJ. I figured she would, just a few epidodes from now. 

 

I suppose I'll keep watching until it gets cancelled, which it will. Maybe ABC will at least let all the episdoes air. How many have been filmed? Are they still filming?


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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 9:00 AM

 

This episode explored both the ADA husband and wife of Stuart Townsend and it made me understand even less where the affair came from. Both spouses seem committed to their marriages and nice.

 

I agree. Both sets of cheating no goods seem decently happy in their marriage and in their lives. I don't understand the reason for the cheating. Maybe it's just animal attraction, but... at least in my view their should be chemistry and I still don't feel it between the two cheating leads. Stuart Townsends wife seems so nice (to me right now). They have two teenage children and everything seems happy. I understand that Sarah's husband is very distracted in his work, but that is reality and it happens. She's a working mom, so I don't see too much of a reason why she needs to cheat. She has a young son to think of. I don't know. I find myself wanting to slap both of them or hope they get caught. I just want both of them to suffer. I also think Henry Thomas' character isn't as stupid as he pretends.


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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 10:21 AM

Ouch.  Betrayal ratings last night:  It fell 25% to a 1.1 ratings share.  Don't have a link yet, just saw it on twitter.  I wonder if we even see episode 3?

 

Edited to add link


Edited by cam3150, Oct 7, 2013 @ 10:48 AM.

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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:18 PM

  Both couples seem to have happy sex lives with their spouses. That's where I'm confused about the cheating. I guess I figured when people cheated they weren't actually having sex in their marriages anymore or weren't happy with the sex (as in bored or or not compatible with their partners). The male cheater, especially, doesn't seem especially bored with his wife. (And I know she's supposed to be older, but she doesn't look unexciting, frumpish, or, well, even older -- not that those are excuses to cheat even if she were, but when people cheat those are usually the go-to excuses you see on Dr. Phil. The other reasons include not being especially attentive, sympathetic, or adoring enough but neither she nor the spouse in the other marriage look especially inattentive or devoid of human feeling. The guy in the other marriage just seems like your usual workhorse, but as long as he's bringing home the bacon,  I wouldn't care. He keeps himself in shape, still has his hair,  lives up to his responsibilities, and calls her home -- what's the problem???). 

 

There's probably that small segment of the population who have affairs that are completely and utterly illogical, but I assume those kinds of affairs occur when the attraction is so intense they can't handle it. But the actors aren't playing up that level of intensity, not even when they're actually doing it. Therefore, uh, why?


Edited by bantering, Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:35 PM.

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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:39 PM

 

Both couples seem to have happy sex lives with their spouses. That's where I'm confused about the cheating

 

I was expecting the 2nd episode to show me more deterioration of the marriages, show me more conflict between the couples. Show why these 2 feel connected and cheated. What they're lacking in their present marriages and lives. Instead I got the total opposite.

 

I guess with the ratings, I shouldn't expect much or my confusion to be cleared up.


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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:47 PM

Don't have a link yet, just saw it on twitter.  I wonder if we even see episode 3?
 
ABC already cancelled one show and is going to air repeats in it's place, so they may not have a lot to replace this one with.  I'm thinking we get at least one more week.  Maybe that will explain the reason for the cheating.  If they showed a great connection between the two, I would totally not have an issue with it (I mean, not for a TV show.  IRL I might feel differently).  But I just don't get it.
 
The leads aren't totally lacking in chemistry, but they aren't selling this undeniable attraction thing.

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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:55 PM

 

 

And speaking of Sarah, did it seem like the actress was having a hard time with her American accent? It was especially noticeable during the street confrontation.

I notice it too.  I agree that it seems like it falters whenever she has to yell.  But, overall, I kind of found her performance in general all over the place for this episode.  Then again, I think Sarah came off like nutty tonight.  Hilariously, I thought Jack was doing stuff that would be consider stalkerish, but when you look like Stuart Townsend, it can be passed off as "romantic."  Advantages of being good looking!

 

I still don't think the two spouses deserve to be cheated; both seem like they love their partners.  I mean, Drew does think about his career, but seems to support Sarah, and Jack's wife (Elaine?), still seems pleasant enough, and their sex life is more then good.  I guess I would buy it more if I saw mega chemistry between Sarah/Jack, but I don't see much besides the fact they're both good looking.  They don't even seem to have the same interests or philosophies.  Hell, I would have even somewhat understood it if Sarah had known who Jack was before the affair, but was attracted by his "bad boy" appeal.

 

Just occurred to me that T.J.'s girlfriend is played by Helena Mattsson, who played Alexis in 666 Park Avenue, which aired in the same time-slot and channel last year.  Judging from this show's ratings, maybe ABC should avoid that.  She's cursed!

 

I'll keep watching probably because James Cromwell is great, even when slumming it, and Hannah Ware sure is pretty.


Edited by thuganomics85, Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:58 PM.

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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 6:42 PM

Just occurred to me that T.J.'s girlfriend is played by Helena Mattsson, who played Alexis in 666 Park Avenue, which aired in the same time-slot and channel last year.  

 

That's who that was.  Thanks, it was bothering me.


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Posted Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:34 PM

Really... giving your spouse oral sex while your teenagers are upstairs and can walk in on you at any moment. I found that really unrealistic and kind took me out of the show. I get that they are trying to make this a sexy show but come on.

 

The fact that wife is obviously going to continue to cheat with the other guy in spite of her husband being the prosecutor is pretty insane and quite frankly she is hard to like despite her pretty face and body.

 

I tried again with this show but I am just hanging on by my fingertips at this point. However the show might be cancelled before I let go.


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Posted Oct 8, 2013 @ 7:05 AM

Just watched the first 2 shows. Both stars are very attractive. Unfortunately the writing is not very good and at times the actors seem embarrassed by it. Put a writing team like Shonda Rimes employs and you might have a decent show.

What I think what the writers are trying to show is that both characters married the first person they were involved with and 10 or 15 years later, while life seems to be okay, they are both trapped in ho-hum situations. Jack's wife chides him for being her Dad's lapdog and Sarah's husband is very self-absorbed in his career and his future as a politician and you get the feeling that they do not have a stimulating sex life (I.e., when she talks about the mornings when they first moved into the apartment). So they both seem to not be taken seriously by their spouses.

What could make this show interesting is that they both have a lot to lose pursuing this affair. They both have children, fairly decent albeit boring relationships and Jack especially is totally dependent on his wife's family. Will the attraction and lust that they have for each other outweigh this? Methinks this will not end well.
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Posted Oct 8, 2013 @ 10:54 AM

 

Really... giving your spouse oral sex while your teenagers are upstairs and can walk in on you at any moment. I found that really unrealistic and kind took me out of the show. I get that they are trying to make this a sexy show but come on.

 

I said the same thing to myself. Gross, disgusting, inappropriate while children are in the house. Plus they were doing it in the livingroom with glass windows. Anyone walking on by would be able to see. Eeew. I mean. Grown people with children, just go into your bedroom and lock the f'ing door. It's really not that hard to have intimacy while married with chldren. Just do it right. Stupid show. And...it really wasn't sexy at all. I was more disgusted than turned on if that is what the show was trying to do to us viewers.


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Posted Oct 8, 2013 @ 3:37 PM

The fact that they were doing it in the living room was probably inappropriate, but also made me think that the two have a fairly  active (and if it's active, I assume enjoyable?) sex life if they're willing to just go at it like that without thinking about the possibility of their children walking in on the act. So, that made the cheating look even more stupid. 


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Posted Oct 9, 2013 @ 8:52 AM

I actually thought the show might have some potential. The problem is that it has been scheduled in a dead zone. It's on late Sunday night against football with not such a strong lead-in show. So it definitely would have an uphill battle.

Network tv shows also have to compete with cable but with all of the censoring limitations: no full frontal nudity, no foul language. So oral sex within earshot of teenage kids is probably the sauciest they can get.

I think Stuart Townsend is a good actor. Some of his lines are cheesy (that's the writers' fault) but for the most part he plays a really good brooding bad boy. But then he's so sweet and vulnerable around Sarah.And I think that he and Hannah Ware are very sexy and appealing together.

And this is a TV drama. I enjoy watching people with flaws whether they're cooking meth or involved in organized crime are having an affair; it makes for a guilty pleasure. I like seeing people who have very ordinary and/or charmed lives have their lives turned totally upside down through circumstance or choice.

It will be interesting to see if ABC gives this show a chance. They certainly have star appeal with James Cromwell.They may move the time slot or take a break and move it to next spring. I did hear that they ordered 13 episodes so we hopefully are going to see some more plot and character development.
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Posted Oct 9, 2013 @ 11:26 AM

 

Network tv shows also have to compete with cable but with all of the censoring limitations: no full frontal nudity, no foul language. So oral sex within earshot of teenage kids is probably the sauciest they can get.

 

I disagree. I don't think Network TV and Cable shows have ever really been in competition in terms of sex because one has a major advantage over the other so why even compete? This isn't the first network show to portray sex and I think sex can be portrayed as sexy and intriguing without really involving that much nudity or pointless raunchiness.

 

My issue with the show is that I don't think the subject matter should have been the sole agenda they promoted during promos. I think that probably worked against it because IMO, audiences have always been iffy about cheating. People might enjoy violence and gratuitous sex on cable but there's something about the subject of cheating that make people skeptical. I think if the cheating had occurred much later in the series when the characters and their motivations have been established, it would make more sense but who knows? Bad time-slot and Boring leads could have also had a hand in it's terrible ratings.


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Posted Oct 9, 2013 @ 12:43 PM

I echo what others have said, I think this could have worked, but they didn't gives us any reason to root for the two leads, or give us a reason as to why they would look for comfort outside their marriage. They hinted at Jack's unhappiness a little, but they haven't shown it. Both couples seem happy with their spouses. and both have healthy sex lives. I think the public would embrace a couple even though they're married to other people. Look at Scandal, the fans love Fitz/Olivia, but they've shown why Fitz would look elsewhere, as he and Mellie's marriage is the exact opposite of happy and loving.


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Posted Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:53 PM

"I think this could have worked, but they didn't gives us any reason to root for the two leads, or give us a reason as to why they would look for comfort outside their marriage. They hinted at Jack's unhappiness a little, but they haven't shown it."

I think we will learn their back stories over time. What the writers are trying to do a la Grey's Anatomy and Scandal is to introduce 2 very attractive characters, neither actor being really well-known --have them meet serendipitously and have an instantaneous spark between and then hopefully resonate with viewers. Then over time their stories would be built and we might better understand why they strayed. (To be honest for a lot of people there needs to be no reason.)I think the mistake was to introduce them with their spouses from the getgo and make the spouses likable. Most tv stories are best told going backwards. JMHO.
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Posted Oct 14, 2013 @ 11:00 AM

Yep, this show isn't long for this world.

 

According to TV Line, Betrayal slipped below 3 million viewers and dropped 18 percent to a 0.9 rating.

 

I'm expecting the cancellation announcement sometime this week.


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Posted Oct 14, 2013 @ 2:28 PM

The murder storyline and the fallout is actually more intersting than the affair at his point in time at least.


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Posted Oct 14, 2013 @ 2:39 PM

The only way this show stays on my DVR is if we find out that ET is really faking the "slowness" and has been acting as a hitman. That would be a major betrayal. The affair is boring as hell, no matter how hot Stuart Townsend is.
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Posted Oct 14, 2013 @ 5:44 PM

I watched the first episode and didn't hate it.  I'll watch another episode or two, but I'm a bit reluctant to follow a new show since the networks are so quick to cancel shows if they don't get the ratings they want right away.

This is how I feel. I watched the first couple of episodes because I was bored, but really I'm reluctant to get pulled in on the very real chance that we'll be left hanging when it's cancelled. I really do think the networks shoot themselves in the foot in this regard. I'm not the only person in my life that likes to wait until at least a season has gone by - and renewal is assured - before tuning into a show, because it's just so frustrating to be left with a rushed ending. Or even worse, no ending at all. For this show, that would be even more annoying since the only thing I find interesting about it is the murder and TJ. The leads are okay, and I'm not against the cheating angle - it is just TV after all - but it hasn't hooked me yet. I'm sure the second it does, it'll be cancelled lol.


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