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Posted Sep 4, 2013 @ 10:09 AM

Yeah, there's definitely a part of me that doesn't feel bad for Alex because Matt told her, gave her a list even, of reasons why they should've chosen adoption. He all but said he was going to be a horrible Dad. Who knows, maybe in 5-10 years he'll be legitimately sober and a decent guy, but right now, it's not going to happen any time soon.


Edited by kp199, Sep 4, 2013 @ 10:10 AM.

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Posted Sep 4, 2013 @ 11:40 AM

I am with you Desilu (no rhyme intended) regarding Briana and her looks. As for her speaking and speech, I am guessing it comes from maybe English was not the primary language spoken in the home?. I cannot remember her 16 & Pregnant episode so, anything about her background, I have no clue. However, her tweets are just as terrible and the use of foul language, ay. She said on camera how Devoin (I so badly want to refer to him as DEVOID) bad-mouths her and is cyber-bullying her. Not cool at all, but she is not innocent herself. She tweeted about Devoin not being a stand-up dad. I, as a viewer, can see he is an ass, but she can't go around saying what he is doing wrong by bad-mouthing her when she herself does the same thing.

 

I do remember Matt making it very clear that he was not interested in raising a child and encouraged Alex to give up the baby. 

 

You are remembering exactly right. He pushed and pushed. He was not happy (rightfully so) when Alex decided to keep the baby. I am not clear though on why exactly she kept the baby. Did she change her mind right before or right after she gave birth?


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 12:32 AM

When's the proper "time" to sit your child face forward? I noticed that they had Arabella sitting that way in the car, and she's only 5-6 months old in these episodes.

 

 

AAP recommendation is until age 2, but that's relatively new (I think it changed in 2011).  Before that, it was until one year, so Arabella by either definition is WAY too young and small to be forward facing.  I suspect that she outgrew her infant bucket seat, which can only be installed rear-facing, and they assumed the convertible car seat was forward facing only, since they do look kinda bulky and weird rear-facing.  I've said it before, I can cut these girls some slack for the little stuff like chocolate milk or Cheetos or putting the baby to bed with a bottle... but seriously, everyone with a baby should know how long to keep them rear-facing in a car seat!  That's the kind of 101 stuff they tell you at the hospital!


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 9:33 AM

They don't teach you anything about car seats in the hospital other than ensuring that you have one to put the baby in as you leave. The infant bucket seat is meant to fit an infant until age one or a certain weight. I think the baby is around 6 months? at this point in the show or less, so there's no reason she shouldn't fit in it.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 10:26 AM

Wasn't there some car seat controversy with Alex on her 16 & Pregnant episode? I feel like I remember some big Internet fight she had about it.
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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 12:11 PM

That's the kind of 101 stuff they tell you at the hospital!

 

 

 

I'm not going to fault these girls too much on the car seat situation. My hospital said nothing about seats except to check that we did have one.

At least the girls are using car seats, as too many people in some areas still don't.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 12:35 PM

My kids outgrew the infant seats before one year. I have BIG babies. But those convertible ones can rear face. Even if the hospital doesn't tell you, I'm pretty sure the side of the dang carseat does! Mine has pictures showing how to properly use it, and definitely shows how to face it towards the back.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 1:29 PM

 Even if the hospital doesn't tell you, I'm pretty sure the side of the dang carseat does! Mine has pictures showing how to properly use it, and definitely shows how to face it towards the back.
 

 

 

 

That's true, but we're talking about a group of girls who can't figure out how to use a condom or how to tell their own parents that they want to see a gyn about birth control. These are people whose main communication on all issues of importance falls in three catagories...texting, mumbling or screaming. We're not talking about MENSA scholars here. Now if the hospital or company would text these girls some tips, you might see them following them.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 2:02 PM

But even if the hospital doesn't advise them, their pediatrician sure as hell should!
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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 4:01 PM

When I was pregnant with #2 and #3, the woman's floor of the hospital (where I saw my midwives) had this program...I cannot remember what it was called. Something to do w/ a stork? Anyhow, you basically earn points for doing all of these things throughout your pregnancy - points for just coming to your appointments, points for a partner coming with you, points for passing drug tests. And then there were bigger points for attending various FREE classes. At the end, you could go shopping in their "store" for things like diapers, blankets, bottles. I didn't really need it, but I thought it was a great program and girls like these Teen Moms could really benefit from being motivated to take classes and actually PREPARE to be parents.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 8:23 PM

I don't find Briana remotely attractive either, she really showed her ass with that profanity-laced Twitter rant.

I'm also in disbelief that Mackenzie was pregnant before Gannon. God, what a stupid, stupid girl. I wonder if her parents pressured Josh to make an honest woman out of her. He seems like he can barely tolerate being around her for five minutes let alone marry her.

Alex should have given her baby up for adoption. She said in a recent interview that Matt hasn't seen her or his kid in over a year.

Meisja, it wouldn't surprise me if Joey was taking a little somethin' somethin' to stay awake on the job. I grew up in a coastal fishing community and it's a common practice for fisherman to be hopped up on amphetamines while they're working because they have to stay awake for twenty-four hour shifts. Perhaps coal mining is a similar industry. Joey's severe mood swings are pretty damn scary and point to more than just fatigue.
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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 9:13 PM

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has trouble keeping the stories straight because these girls are so boring. I caught up to all three hours so far at once and dozed off several times. And I had a similar reaction to these girls' season of 16&P, I think I stopped watching because that season was really long and all of them seemed to run together. Plus the thread here was closed at some point which takes away 90+% of my reason for watching.

Can someone fill me is as to where everyone is? Mackenzie is in OK, someone is in Wyoming, Briana is in Florida - anyone know where? Looks like Tampa to me, that might be the largest city to host a Teen Mom yet. Thanks!
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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 9:31 PM

Alex is in (or near) Allentown, PA. That's all I know.


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 4:28 AM

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The really appalling part about the Mackenzie/birth-control story line is that Gannon wasn't her first pregnancy.

WHAT??? Her mother should be facing charges at this point, Jesus."

Why is Mackenzie's inability to close her legs her mother's fault? These girls are free-thinking individuals and if they happen to disregard their parents' advice, they wouldn't be the first. She has a father too, why not blame him? The only person I blame is Mackenzie, who obviously has these foolish romantic notions and also enjoys the attention she gets, negative or not.
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Mackenzie strikes me as the type who got pregnant just to be on Teen Mom.
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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 7:15 AM

I think Mackenzie got pregnant to keep Josh around. Even with a kid Josh looks at her like she's horse manure stuck to the bottom of his shoe, imagine what he was like before.

As for the car seat, Alex is too busy chasing a fantasy that Druggie Matt will man up and give a rat's ass about her or her daughter. That doesn't leave too much time in the day to worry about child safety.
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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 7:57 AM

 

 

I think Mackenzie got pregnant to keep Josh around. Even with a kid Josh looks at her like she's horse manure stuck to the bottom of his shoe, imagine what he was like before.

As for the car seat, Alex is too busy chasing a fantasy that Druggie Matt will man up and give a rat's ass about her or her daughter. That doesn't leave too much time in the day to worry about child safety. 

 

 

 

I totally agree that Mackenzie got pregnant to "keep" Josh. I haven't figured out exactly why should would want to keep him, but whatever.

 

I get Alex's anger, really. But FFS, she needs to just move the fuck on. She's so emotionally invested in her own anger that it's not doing her or her daughter a damn bit of good. Matt is a druggie. He's not going to "step up" and be some fabulous dad. The end. 


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 9:22 AM

Mackenzie may have had sex to keep Josh, but I think she got pregnant because she is dim. She's barely aware of her actions "in the moment" and certainly seems unable to consider future impact and consequences. She also knows that any actual consequences to her actions are her parents to bear while she dimly moves through life.

Like when her sister asked what she wanted from her future and she responded "cheerleading". Even as a parent she is unable to consider and plan for the future. Being manipulative enough to get pregnant on purpose to trap your man requires planning and familiarity with biology. I just don't think our dim little Mackenzie is capable of either.

Edited by CeliaB, Sep 6, 2013 @ 9:24 AM.

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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 10:46 AM

Whatevez, what I don't understand is why Alex's mother is fostering such a toxic living environment. I get that she and Alex want Matt to be a part of Arabella's life, but she also has two other minor children in the household. There is no way in hell I would have a marginally recovered heroin addict in my home. IMO Matt just looks at them as a free place to crash, he certainly doesn't contribute anything.
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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 11:27 AM

Mackenzie is stuck in these transparent fantasies. In every picture -- up to and including the wedding pictures -- she's grinning like she's starring in her perfect picket-fence movie, and her man is SO NOT THERE. He doesn't smile, he doesn't look at her or their child, he looks (at best) like he's daydreaming about being someplace else and (at worst) like he's miserable. Lord, girl, your wedding pictures don't lie! You can smile into the camera like you're the luckiest girl in the world, but you're not fooling anyone except yourself. Wake the freak up. My greatest hope for her and her kids at this point is that she stops at two.


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 12:32 PM

Mackenzie, like a lot of these girls on this show and in real life, try to hold onto a guy and sex becomes the tool. When that doesn't keep the guy around long enough, then having a baby is the next step in the hopes of keeping the guy. Mackenzie had a miscarriage with her first son, Oakley.   She then becomes pregnant with Gannon  She still doesn't seem to see that Josh has more interest in riding bulls then in riding her. At the same time, if Josh was not interested in her, then he should have stopped using Mackenzie to get his nut off. Go jack off at home with free porn from the computer. I am assuming Mackenzie felt one child was not enough to keep Josh interested in her.  Perhaps having another child was the key to get Josh to be with her and marry her. Now,  here she is on her third pregnancy by the age of 18 years.  So many of these girls almost always feel a baby is the key to getting a guy to come around and be a family. They think a baby is born and somehow this miracle happens where the guy will look at her and their baby adoringly and suddenly they are Prince Charming ready to sweep them off their feet and live happily ever after.


Edited by JBL228, Sep 6, 2013 @ 12:34 PM.

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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 3:06 PM

Why is Mackenzie's inability to close her legs her mother's fault? These girls are free-thinking individuals and if they happen to disregard their parents' advice, they wouldn't be the first.

 

Very true, however...I don't think Mackenzie's mother ever gave her any advice. Other than - "be abstinent". So while I don't 100% blame Mackenzie's mom, I do think her unwillingness to have frank discussions about sex w/ her daughter DID do Mackenzie a disservice. I read a poll once (I know, I know) where the majority of teens said it would be easier to say no to sex if their parents talked to them more about it.


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 4:59 PM

Whatevez, what I don't understand is why Alex's mother is fostering such a toxic living environment. I get that she and Alex want Matt to be a part of Arabella's life, but she also has two other minor children in the household. There is no way in hell I would have a marginally recovered heroin addict in my home. IMO Matt just looks at them as a free place to crash, he certainly doesn't contribute anything. 

 

Right?!!? I was amazed that her mom let him live there, and was so nice to him too! 

 

Wasn't she one of the moms who told the daughter she couldn't bring the baby home when she was pregnant? These girls all sort of run together for me now.


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 7:41 PM

Whatevez, you're right about Alex's mom. I actually liked her on the 16&P episode because she gave Alex very clear expectations & consequences. I've been a bit baffled by her change of heart on this show, but I'm guessing that she relented on making Alex live on her own, etc. because she proved she couldn't do it.

I hate to be insensitive, but Alex annoys me. On their 16&P episode Matt was a druggie and overall piece if shit. It was no secret. Even on the most recent Teen Mom episode he said he's used IV drugs for FOUR freaking years. No way is Alex gonna convince me she didn't know! On 16&P, Alex strung along the couple that wanted to adopt her daughter, got evicted from her apartment that she moved into (for past due rent), and tried to force Matt into a role he didn't want/is incapable of fulfilling. He was extremely straight up & told her he wanted nothing to do with being a dad and her reasoning was "something came over her and she couldn't give the baby up." That's all well and good but welcome to real life sweetie where you have to be ready to accept some real, sometimes shitty, truths.

I'm not excusing Matt and in theory I believe kids should have both parents. But what's better, a stable one-parent home or a volatile two-parent one? I wouldn't want or allow my kid around a drug addict at all. I think she should've pursued child support, dropped the co-parenting dream and moved on to becoming self-sufficient. But that's my 30-something self talking. More reasons that 16-year olds shouldn't get knocked up.

Edited by mschi22re, Sep 6, 2013 @ 7:42 PM.

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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 8:21 PM

The really appalling part about the Mackenzie/birth-control story line is that Gannon wasn't her first pregnancy.

WHAT??? Her mother should be facing charges at this point, Jesus."

 

Why is Mackenzie's inability to close her legs her mother's fault? These girls are free-thinking individuals and if they happen to disregard their parents' advice, they wouldn't be the first. She has a father too, why not blame him? The only person I blame is Mackenzie, who obviously has these foolish romantic notions and also enjoys the attention she gets, negative or not.

 

I'm not the person who wrote the original quote, but my take on the matter is that we've seen Mackenzie's mother keep harping on the abstinence idea when that obviously isn't working. I do feel bad that Mackenzie miscarried her first child, but apparently her mother thought that if she kept singing the abstinence tune and praying really hard, it wouldn't happen again, as opposed to sitting down with her daughter and having a frank, mature conversation about all the ways to prevent pregnancy. Her abstinence-only ideals didn't work the first time (miscarriage), they didn't work the second time (Gannon), and they didn't work the third time (current pregnancy).

 

While I'm not blaming Mackenzie's mother for Mackenzie's decision to have sex, based on the ridiculous birth-control conversations in this most recent episode, I'm sure as hell blaming her for not educating her daughter. I'm not saying that Mackenzie wouldn't have gotten pregnant anyway if she'd had something other than abstinence-only education and a mother who doesn't have her head stuck in the sand (she very well might have), but I'd respect her mother much more if she didn't keep preaching the same idea over and over again, which has been proven not to work three times in her daughter's case.


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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 10:46 PM

If Mackenzie's mother had been more open to her daughter, and not put the fear of God into her, Mackenzie might not be a teen mom right now. The girl definitely made a point when she told her mother that in the future, while trying to abstinent, there may be a moment where that will fly out the window and the desire to have sex will be there and she will be unprotected. I am gathering from that bit of info that Mackenzie's boyfriend is not willing to use a condom. I can't say for sure. For all I know, maybe they did use condoms before and it failed. -- JBL228

In that scene where Josh is playing pool with his friends and they ask him questions about his relationship and sort of prod him to say he loves Mackenzie, when Josh was listing the things Mackenzie was mad about he mentioned "the bareback thing". It crossed my mind then that Josh might be one of those guys or, rather, That Guy. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that he meant something actually horsey, but, I don't know. Not my impression.

I sort of hope it's not true. That would make Josh an extra special sort of asshole.
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Posted Sep 6, 2013 @ 10:46 PM

 

 

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The really appalling part about the Mackenzie/birth-control story line is that Gannon wasn't her first pregnancy.

WHAT??? Her mother should be facing charges at this point, Jesus."

 



Why is Mackenzie's inability to close her legs her mother's fault? These girls are free-thinking individuals and if they happen to disregard their parents' advice, they wouldn't be the first. She has a father too, why not blame him? The only person I blame is Mackenzie, who obviously has these foolish romantic notions and also enjoys the attention she gets, negative or not.
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Mackenzie strikes me as the type who got pregnant just to be on Teen Mom. 

 

By this same logic though, if a child has Type-II diabetes, the parent can say "all you have to do is adhere to a nutritious diet and get some regular exercise, and you will not need insulin (and then actually refuse to provide insulin)." If a medical outcome is expected or guaranteed without medical intervention, it is entirely up to the parent to see that the interventions are heeded, as the child is still a minor. Abstinence works for some people, but certainly not everyone, and an adult should have enough life experience to know that you hope for the best and prepare for the worst. No matter how responsible MacKenzie should be for herself, she was what, 15 or 16 when she got pregnant the first time? As much as kids that age feel they are becoming adults and will tell you that until they turn blue, any parent should know that their frontal lobes are not developed until they're 25.


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Posted Sep 7, 2013 @ 8:51 AM

Diabetes is a medical illness [and] sex is a choice, [so I drsagree with] your analogy.

How many times can one get "accidentally" pregnant before she's just plain stupid? Let's give some credit to the kids of the world who make the choice not to have sex or do have sex and use birth control. I was one of the former, and my parents never gave us any guidance on sex, not one word. Anyone with half a brain knows what makes babies by the time they're in high school.

Mackenzie is not a mindless automaton who accidentally got pregnant. [I think] she knew exactly how to make a baby.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Sep 7, 2013 @ 9:51 PM.
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Posted Sep 7, 2013 @ 8:59 AM

In reference to Josh's "bareback thing" comment, he was talking about her not wanting him to do the rodeo thing anymore. Bareback is a style. Mackenzie didn't want him to do rodeo anymore due to his concussions and he was upset because he loves it.
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Posted Sep 7, 2013 @ 10:05 AM

I thought he was a bull rider?  I think bull riding was also mentioned in the list of things Josh said Mackenzie is mad about, but I'm going from memory.  But I do hope you're right.

 

If he's had multiple concussions already, I'm with Mackenzie.  Boy doesn't need any more trouble gathering his thoughts than he already has.


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Posted Sep 7, 2013 @ 3:09 PM

Yep. That thought should have crossed these girls and boys mind when they decided to have sex. The thought of having sex with a drug-addict like Matt...*smh* Why wasn't that gross?


THIS! The things they think are "gross" and "not gross" are completely reversed.
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