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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 8:39 AM


 

I thought Chris was Jewish because of the last name, but he isn't. He went to Jesuit High School, a Catholic school in Portland.

 

 

 

 

 

If Chris makes it far and gets dumped and then is the new Bachelor, then I think St. Ignatius will roll over in his grave with glee if we have a Jesuit pope and a Jesuit-educated Bachelor all in the same year.  



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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 11:42 AM

We're starting to get into off-topic category here, but FWIW, I briefly dated a Jewish Italian from NY. They do exist--they just fled Italy during Mussolini's reign. So, one of the Italian guys could also be Jewish. Not that it matters to me which one it is. Although seeing the reference to "a Mormon" in this thread cleared up another mystery for me. Through shovel fulls of food, I thought Michael said "a Muslim," so I was trying to figure out who was Muslim, lol.



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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 2:40 PM

Quote: I think he got sent home because he's a grown man that still goes by the name "Mikey". Endquote.

I don't understand why "Mikey" is seen as so juvenile, when "Johnny" Depp, "Bobby" Brown, and "Jimmy" Smits clearly are not. And "Jimmy" Carter was not seen as too silly a name for a US president.

I'd say that anyone who thinks that "Mikey" is unacceptable as a man's name must, to be consistent, abstain from doing any drinking in honor of St. "Patty."

Edited by garden, Jun 28, 2013 @ 2:42 PM.


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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 5:00 PM

I don't understand why "Mikey" is seen as so juvenile, when "Johnny" Depp, "Bobby" Brown, and "Jimmy" Smits clearly are not. And "Jimmy" Carter was not seen as too silly a name for a US president.

I'd say that anyone who thinks that "Mikey" is unacceptable as a man's name must, to be consistent, abstain from doing any drinking in honor of St. "Patty."

 

It's all Life cereal's fault.  I hear "mikey" and I picture a little kid with a cowlick.  I don't have the same response to "Johnny", "Bobby" or "Jimmy" - my first thought with all those is of adult male friends of mine.

 

And, FWIW, I don't drink in honor of "St Patty".  Whoever that is, I'm sure she's lovely, and I will toast her sometime soon.  I do, however, drink green beer in honor of "St. Paddy", who rid Ireland of Snakes and turned the rivers in Chicago green.


Edited by fionab, Jun 28, 2013 @ 5:00 PM.


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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 7:20 PM

I thought Chris was Jewish because of the last name, but he isn't. He went to Jesuit High School, a Catholic school in Portland.

Don't see your point... I was raised Buddhist, and several of my friends from church went to the local Catholic college prep because it had a fantastic reputation for getting you into almost any college you wanted to. Many people go do denominational schools without being a member of that faith.



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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 8:28 PM

Yup. I'm Jewish and went to a Catholic school, because it had the best reputation in the city where I lived.



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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 9:35 PM

Quote: And, FWIW, I don't drink in honor of "St Patty". Whoever that is, I'm sure she's lovely, and I will toast her sometime soon. I do, however, drink green beer in honor of "St. Paddy" Endquote.

I don't get your point: I've seen the nickname spelled both "Patty" and "Paddy," probably hundreds of times each way. Anyway, I was just making a joke, the point being that we accept many male names with the "y" on the end. I feel that bachelor Mikey shouldn't be criticized any nmore than Jimmy, Johnny, Bobby, Patty, Paddy...

Edited by garden, Jun 28, 2013 @ 9:47 PM.


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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 9:39 PM

Maybe religion should be one of the questions on that stupid questionnaire TB posts on the ABC website where we find out such pertinent information such as how many tattoos they have and what is their worst fear on a date.  To some people it doesn't make a difference, but I have to think born-again virgin Sean had some exacting criteria. I think it's really nice that most of the men opted to go to church on Easter Sunday.  I would have gone just for the information.  It wasn't mentioned if Des went, if I recall correctly. 

 

I agree with fionab regarding "Hey Mikey!  He likes it!!"  Same ick feeling here about that name and any adult who persists on calling himself such. Sorry for all those who disagree.  It's an ingrained thing.  

 

I forget where they are going next but I'm in it for the travel porn, then for the hometown visits, then for the merciful end finally to this crap. 



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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 12:11 AM

Finally got to watch the episode (my DVR was out due to storms). I thought Michael was awful in the way he hassled Ben during the date, and he didn't seem to care that he was making Des uncomfortable. He was a jerk to be discussing Ben's son or his religion. Maybe he has his own personal reasons for not attending the mass, maybe he missed his son and just wanted to be alone. I was never convinced he is some kind of villain anyway and I think most of his comments in the limo were tongue in cheek.

 

Really think Chris is cute and I don't even mind his poetry. Brooks seems to be a nice guy but I just don't find him attractive. Juan Pablo is one of those two faced people; in some lights he looks cute, in others he looks like a rat. Zak seems like a really fun guy, but again I'm shallow so I don't find him attractive.

 

I think Des made her mind up about Mikey when he was talking about their future family. I really hope mean guy Michael goes next and he can take the "king of Chicago" with him. And sorry, James but I live in Chicago and have no idea who you are. I do have a question: Where do you guys find out the last names of the bachelors? The ABC site only has their first name on the bios. 


Edited by Maddingcrowd, Jun 29, 2013 @ 12:12 AM.


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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 6:18 AM

Where do you guys find out the last names of the bachelors? The ABC site only has their first name on the bios.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I saw most of the bachs' last names at Reality Steve, along with photographic evidence that Bryden's had that unfortunate haircut for a while and that Drew looks to be auditioning for a porn site.



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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 6:47 AM

fionab:

I don't get your point: I've seen the nickname spelled both "Patty" and "Paddy," probably hundreds of times each way.

Given my middle name is Erin, I'll take this one: The diminutive of "Patrick" is "Paddy" (as in "Paddy wagon"); "Patty," yet oft-found in bar ads on St. Patrick's Day, is the diminutive of "Patricia." Nonetheless, I agree with your basic point (and made it earlier).

 

Maybe it's because the show is on a Monday, but it feels like it is taking forever to end!


Edited by LennieB, Jun 29, 2013 @ 6:50 AM.


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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 11:35 AM

I have always not liked grown men with children's names.  But after a while, you get used to them.  Freddie Mercury, Scottie Pippen, Johnny Depp.  But these are names that we're accustomed to and have just accepted.  We had no clue who Mikey Meathead was until we were introduced to him on the first episode of this game.  Thick necked muscled dude with a barrel chest... and his name is Mikey?!  

 

You just can't take a guy seriously in the professional world if his name is Mikey.  "Hello, I'm Dr. Mikey Tenerelli."  "Mikey Tenerelli, defense counsel."  Lucky for Mikey, he's a plumber, so maybe it doesn't matter.  Most boys as they get older eventually try to lose these childhood kid names.  Timmys become Tim, Billys become Bill, and Mikeys become Mike.  I'd be curious to see if anybody ever asks him the question of why he still goes by Mikey.

 

I think it was extremely fitting that it came down to the two meathead Chicago boys and sending Mikey home destroyed their little bromance.  First Ben, then Mikey... hopefully James next.  If James goes next, it'll be so satisfying that for once, the bachelor/ette discovers the fraud early on and actually listens to what the other contestants are saying.



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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 1:22 PM

Quote: I'll take this one: The diminutive of "Patrick" is "Paddy" (as in "Paddy wagon"); "Patty," yet oft-found in bar ads on St. Patrick's Day, is the diminutive of "Patricia." Endquote.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I do realize that the diminutive of Patrick is traditionally Paddy (not Patty). My point was that many people think St. Patrick is "St. Patty," and they don't find the nickname so unmanly that they refuse to drink in his honor. The point that I didn't understand was not that Patrick was traditionally nicknamed "Paddy" but rather why the original responder to my post seemed to pursue that minor point when the real gist of my post was that the bachelor's name of "Mikey" seems no more childish to me than the "Jimmy's," "Johnny's," "Bobby's,"and "Paddy's/Patty's" of the world, a point on which you and I seem to agree.

(As pure coincidence, I just finished the old miniseries "The Thorn Birds" last night. It was Fionab who replied to my post. In the miniseries, Fiona was married to Paddy, and I did indeed spell it "Paddy" in my mind as I watched.)

Edited by garden, Jun 29, 2013 @ 1:22 PM.


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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 1:28 PM

I don't get your point: I've seen the nickname spelled both "Patty" and "Paddy," probably hundreds of times each way.

It's Paddy for St. Patrick's Day, Paddy is the Irish nickname and correct spelling for a man. People can write St. Patty's Day, but that doesn't make it right any more than writing "your's" or "Pie's for sale" makes those correct. Seeing it in writing doesn't make it so, there are lots of dolts out there as proven by the blatant mis-use of pronouns on this show.

 

I agree that Mikey is a really bad adult name. I even hate it for kids. "Mikey likes it" could be why, but that was so long ago I'll bet many have no clue where that came from. I have no problem with Jimmy, Timmy, Tommy and so many others. But Mikey ... ugh. Michael is okay ... I wonder why he did go with Mikey. It sounds like a bar-buddy name, I can hear it being shouted out over the noise in the neighborhood saloon, so maybe it's that. Or maybe his dad is Michael, is cousin Mike so all that was left was Mikey for this guy to distinguish between the three.

 

So many of these guys are models, or closet models during the show. I just can't get behind any of them being there to actually find a wife. I think this show has jumped the shark with all its "real reason" hokum.


Edited by SaberTail, Jun 29, 2013 @ 1:38 PM.


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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 2:47 PM

The point that I didn't understand was not that Patrick was traditionally nicknamed "Paddy" but rather why the original responder to my post seemed to pursue that minor point when the real gist of my post was that the bachelor's name of "Mikey" seems no more childish to me than the "Jimmy's," "Johnny's," "Bobby's,"and "Paddy's/Patty's" of the world, a point on which you and I seem to agree.

 

Garden, I was just replying to your little joke with a joke of my own. I am Irish, and it makes me crazy to see Patty misused in honor of my country's patron saint.  It's just wrong, even though bar owners have been using it for a long time.  

 

My main point in the first paragraph of my response, was that the 12 years of Life cereal ads with the toddler with a cowlick make me think of Mikey as a kids name in a way that I don't have with Bobby/Jimmy/Paddy. I dont know how old you are, so here's a link to one example of the ad campaign.  The ads were on for 12 years... and during every tv show I watched my entire DVR-less childhood. It's a cultural touch point that doesn't exist for the other male nicknames you mention.  Thats why (for me) Mikey is a kids name in the way Andy, Bobby and Jimmy are not. A similar cultural touch point exists for the name Ralphie.  I don't know any adults who go by Ralphie, at least in part because its so closely associated with the little boy in A Christmas Story.  I hear the name and I picture a kid so wrapped up in winter clothes that he can't put his arms down. 

 

Also, FWIW, I had assumed that Chris was the jewish guy Michael G referred to... it wasn't until I read here that someone had never met a jewish guy named Chis that the 'Chris' referred to good old JC. Dear lord - this show is affecting my brain.  


Edited by fionab, Jun 30, 2013 @ 12:21 AM.


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Posted Jun 29, 2013 @ 10:55 PM

It was kind of odd when Brooks said, "By the end, there might be zero bachelors left" and no one said anything. Doesn't that sound like, "By the end, maybe no one will care enough about Des to still be here"?



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Posted Jun 30, 2013 @ 6:30 AM

We had no clue who Mikey Meathead was until we were introduced to him on the first episode of this game.  Thick necked muscled dude with a barrel chest... and his name is Mikey?!

 

I beg your pardon!  Mikey was the only good thing about that horrific rap video, a natural in front of the cameras.  His good-natured, self-aware guido persona distinguished him from the nice but bland contestants who outnumbered him ten to one.



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Posted Jul 1, 2013 @ 2:40 PM

You've just described Chris Lambton. I'm thinking the PTB were multiply orgasmic at talking him into being The Bachelor; he turned them all down, married Payton from a previous season, and (to my knowledge) hasn't been seen on camera since.

 

The two of them actually have a new design show on, I think, HGTV.  So technically, they are back in the "spotlight".  However, I don't consider that type of show to be famewhore behavior.  If they would have shown up on somethng with celebrity couples, I'd think less of them.  They both have design type jobs so hosting a show on HGTV might actually fit them well.  Good for them for getting a legitimate media gig!



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Posted Jul 1, 2013 @ 2:53 PM

 

 I don't know any adults who go by Ralphie, at least in part because its so closely associated with the little boy in A Christmas Story.  I hear the name and I picture a kid so wrapped up in winter clothes that he can't put his arms down. 

 

 

I just have to step in here to mention that Randy was actually the kid who couldn't put his arms down.  We may now get back to our regular Bachelorette posting.  I regret that no one will be able to ask Mikey why he persists on that name as a grown man. 

 

I figured that Michael G. will be the next to go since he was so uncaring of Des's feelings, but then there's the whole James drama so I don't know. With any luck they will both go home!