Summer 2013 ReWatch Thread: The Future Is Written
Posted Jun 11, 2013 @ 9:21 AM
Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 3:12 PM
I pretty much always love Amy Acker. I was crazy excited when I heard she was going to be on OUaT. Dreamy left quite a lot to be desired, and up until Selfless, Brave and True (I like August, please don't kill me) it was my least favorite episode hands down, but like others have said I think a lot of that can be attributed to less than stellar writing. Though I did like it better upon a couple rewatches of Season 1 especially the Storybrooke stuff that I found kind of stupid when it first aired. It is, however, definitely the weakest episode of the first season in my opinion but I'm happy I can rewatch it without wanting to throw things at the tv.
I liked her in the S2 extras too, stealinghome, thought she was super adorable in Welcome to Storybrooke.
Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 4:46 PM
I have to speak up for Grumpy - I thought he and Nova were completely adorable together both in the Forest and in Storybrooke. The effect of LUV on each of them was developed well and charming (back when the writers cared about other characters besides Regina).
To each his own but what is there to like about creepy, selfish, thieving August?
Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 5:31 PM
This isn't really the thread for this so I'll be brief. The same could be said for Regina...she's far worse and people still like her. I liked August's friendship with both Henry and Emma in S1. People like who they like regardless of character flaws. So yeah, to each their own.
Posted Sep 10, 2013 @ 11:25 AM
Yeah, I think that Dreamy's Storybrooke plot works better for me when I'm less focused on the Curse and Emma breaking it.
I was pretty rabid about the Curse in S1, wanting to learn about it, wanting most episodes to have a good portion of the Storybrooke plot about it.
I didn't know it was going to get broken in the finale. So it kind of stressed me out when the writers weren't paying a lot of their attention to it.
Now, however, Curse broken, that stress over, I can enjoy going back and watching things that seemed more like filler to me at the time.
After all, everything in Storybrooke doesn't have to be fraught 24/7.
Posted Sep 22, 2013 @ 3:33 PM
And one week 'til premiere.
Tired of avoiding (or feeding on) spoilers for Season Three?
Come, relive the glory days (or, if you see them differently, say so!)
Here's what's left to natter on about until next Sunday evening...
1x17 - Hat Trick
1x18 - The Stable Boy
1x19 - The Return
1x20 - The Stranger
1x21 - An Apple as Red as Blood
1x22 - A Land Without Magic
Now if that's not a banquet, tell me what is...
I'll start, one sentence for each:
Hat Trick kept me watching this show: it probably still does, to this day.
The Stable Boy was a welcome insight into Regina's personal drama, but probably that should have been that.
The Stranger was a relief that August wasn't Baelfire and a good excuse to create Robert Carlyle an Emmy nomination reel to use in perpetuity.
An Apple as Red as Blood still has me shouting at the TV when Emma just stands still in the pretty, pretty shot calling Henry's name *and not running to him lying on the floor*. (Also, and I'll allow myself a second sentence; when this originally aired my TiVo cut off Henry eating the turnover and falling down. Had no idea anything that significant had happened until the next week.)
A Land Without Magic: game-changer that had me psyched for an entire summer.
Edited by NettlestoneNell, Sep 23, 2013 @ 9:28 AM.
Posted Sep 22, 2013 @ 4:42 PM
Thinking about these episodes through the lens of a post-Season 2 viewer...
Hat Trick was a tense episode, and it had such an awesome backstory about the Mad Hatter, plus there was a lot of emotion with Emma convincing Mary Margaret to trust in her. But looking back at this one, the potential didn't pan out - yes, the actor was unavailable for much of S2, but his reunion with Grace was lacklustre, and this episode was the deepest we ever saw of him (this goes for a lot of characters, sadly). And then of course, there was the Queen of Hearts disappointment... we never saw what Cora was up to there. It seemed like Emma was on the gradual path of believing but she goes back to zero after the next episode.
The Stable Boy unfortunately I look back on as the first of many attempts to excuse Regina's behavior. I think they went a bit overboard with the innocence and pure goodness that Regina displays in this episode, since even if she blamed Snow for Daniel's death, I don't see how this kind woman we saw in this episode could become so evil to all humanity, not just Snow. I also don't buy the "I love mamma" routine in S2 from the evidence in this episode. I think I was most amazed by the casting for Young Snow in this one.
The Stranger had a weak Storybrooke storyline for the crime storyline. I still wish they hadn't cut the scene of Kathryn and Frederick. I wasn't a huge fan of those poor-him Rumple centrics, but this backstory with Bae falling through the portal was very moving.
An Apple as Red as Blood has the best ending. I thought the Storybrooke flashback was very weak as to how Snow ended up eating the apple, even though did like the parallel with Henry's situation and his choice to eat the turnover to "save" Emma and Snow also choosing to eat the apple to save Charming. I suppose having Snow tricked into eating it by Regina dressed as an old woman would have been frustrating to watch as well but I was hoping for some variation on that but done cleverly. Seeing the awesomeness of Henry in this episode just makes me angry how the writers just used him as a Regina pom-pom the entire second season.
A Land Without Magic: This episode was the first one which very much disappointed me, and I guess now it was actually a sign of what was to come. It was too much, too soon. Emma suddenly believing, confronting Regina right away, Regina admitting it, etc. There was so much payoff that could have come from each step of those, but it all happened within 5 minutes. Emma seeing Mary Margaret and David, and realizing the truth but they didn't know - that could also have been so moving but instead we got a very long sequence with Emma and CGI Dragon. There was way too much plot and not enough character moments for me. The "wave" of everyone remembering hitting them was cool, but again, deprived the viewer of individuals remembering. Yes, it was a game-changer and it surprised me that they would break the curse immediately, but I was sort of disappointed at the same time. And now knowing that S2 would start with the plot, plot, plot at full throttle skidding over character moments like roadkill... this episode still leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth.
Edited by Camera One, Sep 22, 2013 @ 4:51 PM.
Posted Sep 22, 2013 @ 5:27 PM
1x17 - Hat Trick - Good God, did Jennifer Morrison and Sebastian Stan have chemistry. I also thought Jennifer Morrison's "I want to believe" speech is one of her three or four best acting moments in S1--it's so, so good. As others have said, too bad they reverted Emma back to square one after this. The writers should take note; this episode is so awesome because it used the character of the week's story to really delve into one of the main characters. That is when the show is at its best. 75% character study, 25% plot.
1x18 - The Stable Boy - has always been a weak explanation of why Regina hates Snow--but frankly, I think that by this point in the series they'd built Regina's massive!hate! up so much that there was really no way for the backstory to justify it, short of Snow White cackling as she rips Daniel's heart out and grounds it to dust. So I can overlook the weakness to some extent. But ah, remember back in the days when the show tried to show that Regina was still human and how she'd ended up with a heart blacker than charcoal without excusing/justifying/forgetting all the evil she's done? I do. I remember them fondly. Sadly, this episode was the last of that. (Also agree that Cora and Regina's S2 relationship was wildly out of what with what it should have been post-this episode.)
1x19 - The Return - a nicely suspenseful episode that kept you guessing about August and Bae until the last moment. I thought Eion Bailey was rather weak when he first came on the show, but by this episode he hit his stride and was quite good. And while not absolving Rumpel of anything he's done/did, it made your heart ache for him. Rumpel's scenes with Archie remain hilarious.
1x20 - The Stranger - Despite the fact that Augustocchio is one of my least favorite characters, his moment at the end, with Marco, to this day remains one of my favorite "happy ending" moments from S1. Also, I loved the way things were beginning to fall apart for Regina. Every time something went wrong for her this episode, I wanted to cheer. Loudly. As in 'Hat Trick,' some of Morrison's best acting was in this episode, when she freaks out at August. And I still think what Gepetto did was insanely unforgivable (or should be in Charming and Snow's eyes), and I'm disappointed the show let him off the hook so much in S2. (Apparently that's a common theme.)
1x21 - An Apple as Red as Blood/1x22 - A Land Without Magic - I floved these episodes when they first aired, and the finale especially left me SO much to look forward to in S2. Ah, if only I'd known. I do think one of S1's major weaknesses--Emma's all over the place believing--detracts from the first, but not enough for me not to adore the two-parter still. I love the intertwined scenes where Charming and Emma fight Maleficent-as-dragon, but wish that it hadn't foreshadowed S2, where the show went out of its way to show how alike they are without letting them ever have a conversation. But ultimately, the finale was so freaking awesome that I waited with bated breath all summer for S2. It was just so good.
Posted Sep 22, 2013 @ 7:41 PM
I really love Hat Trick, and it's a pretty great standalone episode that I watch sometimes when I only have time for one ep. I could watch the Emma and Jefferson show all day. The whole part at Jefferson's house is just amazing. Love how Emma gets out of her bonds, love Jefferson's desperation, love when he's got his head on top of Emma's head, love Emma's speech, love her clocking him with the telescope, love Mary Margaret kicking him out the window, and the passing comment about taking kickboxing classes. One thing I hate though is the little whooshing noise that the sound people put in when Jefferson falls out the window. I swore for the longest time that Emma had actually made a working hat and Jefferson had gone through the hat when he disappeared. It seemed so obvious because of how they shot up through the hat, the way he disappeared, and that whooshing noise. Oh well. Poor guy. That fall must have hurt.
Posted Sep 23, 2013 @ 9:51 AM
I fanwank that the sound and his inexplicable disappearance means Emma *did* make a hat that worked...to some degree.
But that maybe that hat could only zap you to another part of Storybrooke, not another Realm.
We still don't know why Regina always acts totally ignorant of Jefferson's existence, do we?
I agree, there is totally an Emma Jefferson Show backdoor pilot in that episode. If only a Quiz Show wherein viewers get to ask the million-plus questions that episode raises about Jefferson, his backstory, the Curse, his powers as a Realm Jumper, etc.
In a way, Hat Trick reminds me that my two favorite episodes (Hat Trick and Manhattan) are really almost plays of the "trap some characters in a small room and see what catches on fire" variety. They have very little special effects bombast. The parts that elevate them take place in the World Without Magic, on stick-built sets. They both transplant magical problems/issues into the "real" world. And they both hinge on human interaction.
I also think Hat Trick is sort of like the Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose (X-Files) episode of Once. I'm not convinced it would play very well to a new or uninformed viewer. Much of what is going on you have to sort of already know or have to be invested in in order to care about what takes place. Mary-Margaret being on trial, Emma and Henry, the Curse, Emma's lonely past, etc.
But if you've been watching all season, it's a tremendous pay-off for you. (Even if it's not a lasting one.)
The script and the acting (particularly Stan's cuckoo-until-he's-deathly-serious-vibe, whom I had no awareness of before), working in concert are a show high-point for me. If Snow and Charming's story personifies the pre-Curse era, then Jefferson's stands for the Curse.
In a way, he's also like the character David E Kelley used to always write for Fyvush Finkel, who'd show up (sometimes only as a guest star) on Kelley's various shows (Picket Fences, Chicago Hope, Ally McBeal) as a lawyer character, and call everyone on their s---. That was his whole function. And it was awesome in it's smack-downness.
Posted Sep 24, 2013 @ 9:20 AM
Speaking of that whole last bit of Season One and our desperately-missed Jefferson: did they explain somewhere how Jefferson A) knew who Belle was, and B) knew she was locked in Regina's Little Gulag?
It's not a big deal, it just nags at me. It might have been one of those things they would have gotten into if Sebastian was available for S2.
One thing I loved about Hat Trick is that Jefferson came off as truly "mad," with a very different flavor than Rumpel or Regina and their range of psychopathologies. When Rumpel goes into his "crazed imp" routine, for example, he's still telegraphing that it's a routine, that he's in control of what he's doing and what he's going to do to you next. WIth Jefferson, you didn't get that sense of control, that he was acting and reacting to things only he could see. It was a nice touch.
Posted Sep 25, 2013 @ 10:05 AM
Jefferson could not leave his home under the curse, but he was watching the town.. for lack of anything better to do. How he would have known Belle was in the asylum from his home, however, would be a mystery.
Posted Sep 25, 2013 @ 10:49 AM
Or even how he would know there was a secret corridor in the hospital. Or know that he had nothing to fear from "Chief" mopping that hallway.
Such a long list of Jefferson-related questions.
The gift that keeps giving.
Posted Sep 25, 2013 @ 1:49 PM
Maybe it is just because I'm reading a book with magic far seeing spyglasses but I have wondered if part of Jefferson's torment was seeing more than ordinary telescopes would reveal.
Posted Sep 30, 2013 @ 3:22 PM
Hat Trick is far and away my favourite episode. Aside from the flash backs it's mainly about two people in a room together talking and it was riveting. I remember at the time thinking at last, someone other than Henry is talking about the curse and, even better, the larger picture. There are other worlds and Emma has magic, she is special but only if she could believe in herself and open herself up to it. I loved his attempt to try to reason out his belief, about history books, storybooks and imagination. I know he gets called mad but compared to his appearance in The Doctor, he's actually remarkably calm and of course we know he's telling the truth, though to Emma he sounds insane.
I thought Sebastian and Jennifer gave great performances but the main draw was their electric chemistry. Holy shit! When he finally tells her why he's so desperate to leave and she realises that actually they have this deep thing in common, being separated from their children, it would have been touching anyway but those two just went above and beyond. That chemistry is a rare thing and it's a shame to waste it.
I hope, now that Sebastian has finished filming his movie, Jefferson will return and he'll finally have more scenes with Emma, along with more stories from his intriguing past and his present Storybrooke one.
Posted Oct 8, 2013 @ 3:23 AM
Hat Trick has to be the episode that got a lot of people I know personally hooked to the show. Ever since the show first aired, I had been telling my sister about it but she never shown interest. While I was re-watching Hat Trick about a month ago, my sister was in the room and immediately started inquiring about Jefferson and his back story. A few weeks later, I found out that she had been catching up on Netflix ever since that day and basically watching the entire season 1 in like two weeks.
I think it was the episode where everything was on point. There were some great memorable quotes. IMO, it was the best acting Jennifer Morrison did in the show during the time. The chemistry bet Jen and Sebastian was undeniably hot, same for Lana and Sebastian. I think the major credit for the success of the episode goes to Sebastian. In hindsight, this could have turned out to be a disaster. They basically have a non-main character takes 90% of the screen time on the very first appearance no less.
I, too, wonder what season 2 would have been if they had gotten Stan for more episodes.