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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 2:12 AM

There are threads for separate shows on the ID channel, but I wanted a thread where we could discuss the entire channel lineup of shows and those they are canceling. The title of the thread reflects the porn-level production values of most of the new shows, as well as the obligatory soft porn scenes that most of them feel compelled to include whether the story supports it or not. If there's not a half naked woman writhing on top of some guy (or guys) then you have probably tuned in the wrong channel or are watching an older (or now canceled) program.

The final straw for me was the cancellation of Disappeared and the promos for Karma's a Bitch hosted by that actor who can't get over the fact that he's not on the Sopranos any more. That and Dates From Hell, where each program has a mandatory sexy-dressing-for-the-date scene and sometimes a sex scene as well.

Because you can't tell the story of a crime unless a beautiful girl is in her underwear at some point. Hey, and if the program is Scorned, Love Kills, there will be a woman moaning on the soundtrack to go along with it.

And if a crime is set in 1975, don't worry too much about the flat screen computer monitor in the scene or the call to 911 the witness makes on her cell phone. And when someone is born in 1945 I am sure that they will be fifteen years old circa 1972. That works, right? No one cares about little details like that. Why so nitpicky?

This channel is seriously out of control. The biggest mystery of all, though, is why I haven't gone the way of Disappeared and canceled my viewing before now. One day she was a happy viewer, and the next she was mysteriously missing....
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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Has Disappeared been cancelled though? I haven't seen that anywhere. It's all just speculation at this point.

But the soft porn aspect has got to go. I read somewhere, and I don't know how true it is, that they are doing a show hosted by Jerry Springer. If that's true, then they have really lost it as a channel.

I have decided something, I really wanna be on an ID channel show cuz I know they'll use some gorgeous actor who doesn't look at thing like me, to play me. lol
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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 7:32 PM

I'm out of likes, but I totally agree with urlittledogtoo. I've stopped watching the newer shows because I felt dirty--and bored.

Neeney--I think you can catch repeats of Disappeared on the OWN network.

OMG--I need a life.

Edited by Patsy Stoned, Apr 20, 2013 @ 7:33 PM.

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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 9:00 PM

Patsy Stoned - you are not alone. I've been watching Disappeared reruns on OWN all afternoon!

urlittledogtoo - WORD to your entire post. I am obsessed with true crime, but hate the direction ID is headed. I am relegated to watching repeats of shows I like (Homicide Hunter, Disappeared) and ones I appreciate for their relative lack of porn (Nightmare Next Door, 48 Hours Mystery and even On the Case with Paula Zahn). Yes, I am pathetic.

As I've said many times before, I am sick of seeing the same crime stories told over and over again by different shows. Is seems so lazy when there are plenty of other interesting cases that could be covered. Just ask Joe Kenda, who has enough original stories to keep me entertained for 1,001 nights!
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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 9:27 PM

When I said that I hadn't seen it anywhere, I meant that I hadn't seen that it was cancelled anywhere. I missed the re-runs on OWN, but I'm glad they play them there. I've seen them there before.

Maybe Joe Kenda could start a station and they could do episodes of Disappeared and his show all the time!
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Posted Apr 20, 2013 @ 9:51 PM

I am jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of you all. ID was my go to channel in the past because there always seemed to be something airing that was interesting to watch. Now, I have a hard time stomaching anything other than Disappeared, Nightmare Next Door, and Homicide Hunter. I think Sins & Secrets is pretty good as well. Scorned, Dates From Hell, and the rest of the dreck that airs on ID nowadays is so unappetizing. I wonder what happened at the network that precipitated this change of programming?
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 2:48 AM

I always have the tv on as background noise and I used to keep it on ID in case something interesting popped up. But at some point it got to be all Evil Twins, some show about people being murdered just after getting married (Happily Never After?) and all the other over-dramatized, terribly reenacted shows. I've never cared for the Paula Zahn or Aphrodite Jones shows but I'd take those over that garbage any day.

I do like Nightmare Next Door because it generally features cases I haven't heard of before but I find the tone of it to be really weird. Every episode has the gloomy music going while the narrator says something like, "Susie Jones has been found beaten, strangled and stabbed in her very own home. Who could have committed such a brutal crime?"

And then the music turns from ominous to jaunty and it's "Good thing Detective Gumshoe is on the case! When this lawman isn't putting bad guys behind bars, he's off to the lake where he reels in his own dinner! But now, all this seasoned investigator wants to do is fish up some suspects!" There's always a lot of puns and wordplay and jarring changes of tone that feel kind of out of place in a show about people being murdered.

I only recently discovered the Joe Kenda show and I love it. He's fun to watch and, like Nightmare Next Door, the cases are usually new to me. I set my DVR to record all the episodes but unfortunately it seems like they keep running the same few over and over again. Here's hoping we get more Joe Kenda and Disappeared in the future.
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 3:29 AM

And then the music turns from ominous to jaunty and it's "Good thing Detective Gumshoe is on the case! When this lawman isn't putting bad guys behind bars, he's off to the lake where he reels in his own dinner! But now, all this seasoned investigator wants to do is fish up some suspects!" There's always a lot of puns and wordplay and jarring changes of tone that feel kind of out of place in a show about people being murdered.


And don't forget the posing with arms crossed (because they're all serious don'tcha know?) at the dramatic camera angle! That drives me nuts with Nightmare Next Door. It is however blissfully porn-free so I forbear.

I love Detective Kenda and Disappeared. Sins and Secrets are rehashed from old City Confidential episodes so most of the time I've literally seen them years ago and remember them.

A new one that has only two episodes so far is Murder in Paradise and frankly in spite of its name and promos I found it interesting and not too exploitative. It has a much more Disappeared feel to it than the other new shows do. That's after two episodes so I'm crossing my fingers.
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 5:55 AM

I haven't been watching much lately since baseball has started again, but it was my go-to channel during the offseason. Like everyone else here, when I do tune in, it always seems to be the soft-porn stuff, and I wonder if I've somehow subscribed to Skinemax without knowing it.

(OT: I love your username, urlittledogtoo!)

ETA: Just saw a promo for "I Was Murdered" which, while not Skinemax-like fodder, seems to be "Stolen Voices, Buried Secrets, Version 2.0". Le sigh.

Edited by smittykins, Apr 21, 2013 @ 7:45 AM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 8:45 AM

The only other show ID has done recently that I found halfway intriguing was Dangerous Persuasions (is that what it's called?). It was different in tone from the other shows usually done on ID.
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 11:21 AM

I don't mind the cheesy reenactments, if that tame shit is soft core porn, then the crap that's on HBO and Cinemax late nights is hard core porn, it's how the profile the same crimes over and over that's annoying. I've seen certain crimes profiled on three different ID shows, it's a little ridiculous.

I don't find the content of ID shows that much different, either. Given stupid titles to hopefully draw in viewers? Yes. But it's the same talking heads, family members, law enforcement and lawyers and cheesy reenactment setup as always. Heck, shows like Fatal Attractions have *always* featured cheesy, soap opera grade love scenes if I recall correctly.

As for "quality" ID shows, I don't see the Injustice Files mentioned much. I really enjoyed their last special that explored so-called Stand Your Ground laws.

Edited by junemeatcleaver, Apr 21, 2013 @ 11:47 AM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 3:55 PM

Sins and Secrets are rehashed from old City Confidential episodes so most of the time I've literally seen them years ago and remember them.


This is one of the reasons that I like Sins & Secrets. City Confidential was just so well done and different for its time. Sins seems to take the same approach in story-telling, which is why I like it even though many of the cases have already been covered.
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 6:00 PM

We're calling it soft core porn not because it truly is but because it seems to want to be and walks up to that line. I have no doubt that if Scorned Love Kills were not on regular cable they would continue stripping off their clothes in those scenes. Censors seem to be the only thing keeping them in their underwear right now. Scorned actually adds in breathy moans and bow chicka bow wow kind of porn music to their sex scenes too. I'm not a prude by any means but the sex done in these newer shows is so OTT and uncalled for in the telling of the story that it's just ridiculous.

What's really funny though is when they show the actual people they've had these gorgeous actors portraying, and have been saying that the people involved were so attractive etc and then you get the mug shot of the 200lb disheveled woman with bad skin and hair in sweats who looks nothing like the blonde bombshell with the huge breasts they got to act her part in the episode. I realize that we wouldn't want to see an actress/actor who looks like the real person warts and all in a thong and push up bra writhing around on top of some guy (or girl) but then that scene isn't necessary in the first place so..... It's all very unnecessary and distracting and tasteless. Which apparently is exactly what they are going for.

Edited by urlittledogtoo, Apr 21, 2013 @ 6:01 PM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 6:53 PM

We're calling it soft core porn not because it truly is but because it seems to want to be and walks up to that line.


Fair enough. I don't mind it, but of course, everyone's millage varies.

I don't know what they're doing with I Was Murdered. They didn't even try to not make it into Stolen Voices, Buried Secrets 2.0. But knowing ID, they probably wanted a title that was simple and to the point. Whatever, I'll probably be watching if I don't remember the cases too well.
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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 7:34 PM

Does anyone know if ID and BIO are owned by the same companies because they both seem to be dipping out of the same pool with the soft porn and love/family stories gone toxic? Right now, BIO still has some good shows (Cold Case Files, American Gangsters, Biography), despite the filth that's quickly invading (My Evil Sister, Prenup Murder, Deadly Alibi, Monstresses etc.,). It just seems like quite a few of their new shows are looking and sounding nearly identical to the shows on ID.

Edited by Enero, Apr 21, 2013 @ 7:35 PM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 9:06 PM

The Bio channel also has a stalker show that has some of the same cases from Stalked:Someone's Watching on ID!

Edited by Neeney, Apr 21, 2013 @ 9:06 PM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2013 @ 10:07 PM

Ah, My people all on one thread! Lol. As some of you may know from the Homicide Hunter or Disappeared thread, those are the only shows that keep me sticking around now. I'm still liking a lot of the Disappeared reruns, because I guess I didn't see many of the season one shows before. I thought I was a viewer from the start, but apparently not. Even the ones I do remember, I will often re-watch. A repeat of Disappeared is still better than most of the trash they are starting to air now.

If Disappeared is indeed gone, I'm one step out the door. If/when Homicide Hunter goes, I am outta here. I'll be off hunting for my favorite Homicide Hunter, so that I can then be featured on "Stalked", being played by a much more attractive and younger actress.

I kid, I kid...I would love to have coffee with him though and listen to him talk for an hour or two. :)

Speaking of Disappeared, I just saw the one with Madeline Murray O'Hare and family. It still shocks me that she was so disliked that the police and reporters all sort of collectively shrugged, and went "eh, they're missing, no big deal, let's go get more coffee and donuts." For a year!!
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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 1:32 AM

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I get that the cheese factor of ID is pretty high (ie,"It's every man's nightmare: one minute your wife is there, the next, she's a corpse!") but I too have been puzzled by the recent soft porn-like bent. "Scorned: Love Kills" is definitely the worst. I remember seeing an episode of "Dateline" a few years back where a man in Michigan killed his wife and put her in cement in barrels, and after a manhunt for him, ended up going to Canada and killing himself. It was a particularly gruesome case and also just really sad as it showed search parties looking for the woman in the frozen Michigan winter and the man's brother pleading with him on the phone, etc. A small, like one-minute-long part was about the police interviewing the family's old au pair from a year eariler, who had kissed the husband. It was an indication that the marriage was breaking down, but it wasn't a big part by any means. However...when this story was done on "Scorned: Love Kills" it's like it was ABOUT an au pair who hangs around the house in her underwear, and the horrific murder and suicide were almost an afterthought. It was so bizarre how the whole case was trivialized, because there was really nothing romantic or funny about it.[/size][/font]

Also, it bugs me how they try to "sex up" the shows about female killers, ie advertising "history's most alluring female killers". Ugh.[/size][/font]

Aside from that, my opinions on the other shows are pretty standard: "Disappeared" is BY FAR my favorite and I really really hope it's not cancelled... I also like "Sins & Secrets", "Nighmare in Suburbia", Paula Zahn's show and even though it's cheesy, "I Married A Mobster". I'm really creeped out (in a bad way) by the recent "Evil, I", and I'm not too impressed with the show where it cuts to two therapists who sit in a dark room and make "duh" comments (ie "Bob and Susan got married two months after meeting! That indicates they may not have known each other that well".) So many of the shows seem to run into each other... It's like a fridge word magnet set, pick any verb/noun combo: deady, fatal, affairs, enounters, murder, love, etc.

I'll definitely be following this thread!


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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 2:18 AM

To be fair we don't know for sure that Disappeared has been canceled but when you go back to the first four seasons there's a real disconnect in how the episodes have been aired. (Thank you Wikipedia!) This season (five) started as usual in late November, aired normally in November, December, and January, then only one episode in February, one in March, then a quick three episode dump in early April for the season finale, fifteen episodes in all. That's peculiar. And given the new shows almost uniform bent I could see them dumping quality for dreck if it cost them less to buy or produce.

As for the other shows, my theory on many of them is that there is some production company that basically makes the same program for each crime with the same camera angles, casting decisions, reenactments, narrator, etc and then after they have about forty or fifty of them lays them all out and divvies them up into separate 'programs' and adds the titles, theme music, etc based upon the 'program' it got shoved into. The narrator is identical in so many of them that I am beginning to suspect a Siri-like computer program has been employed to read the narration, it's so uniform down to the inflection and tone and wry amusement voiced in each one. I mean it's the same exact narrator down to the last glottal stop. I've gotta hand it to them though, it's a cheap way to make a dozen different programs out of what is basically one production set up. You know, like porn. Rent a house in the Valley and film ten separate films in one day, pay the cast and crew and send it all to post production for the rest. Separate movies (programs), but not really. Just a day's work. Some of the new programs they've been airing have only had like three or four episodes that I could discern and then they ended and a new series starts up, same production, different angle of a crime.
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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 1:10 PM

Does anyone know if ID and BIO are owned by the same companies because they both seem to be dipping out of the same pool with the soft porn and love/family stories gone toxic? Right now, BIO still has some good shows (Cold Case Files, American Gangsters, Biography), despite the filth that's quickly invading (My Evil Sister, Prenup Murder, Deadly Alibi, Monstresses etc.,). It just seems like quite a few of their new shows are looking and sounding nearly identical to the shows on ID.


AFAIK, both ID and BIO are Discovery-owned networks(I've also seen them on OWN, which is another).

Edited by smittykins, Apr 22, 2013 @ 1:13 PM.

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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 3:36 PM

Oh my God - I am sooooo disgusted with ID. The show Scorned was the beginning of the end for me. Have you paid attention to the scripts? It's basically always, "They had sex to sexually express their sexuality." One thing that does give me a laugh is when they have some straitlaced law enforcement professional having to parrot that trash. The narrator makes me homicidal. At first I got a kick out of it because it was so bad, but now I can't stand to watch. Don't even get me started on the newer shows.
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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 4:50 PM

The other thing that bugs the shit out of me is how the female TH invariably tells us that this woman was "getting the best sex in her life" or "engaging in sexual activities she'd never tried before" ... BLECH!!!

It is a sad state of affairs when ID is driving me into the arms of OWN, which is airing many old ID shows, because I REALLY don't want to support Oprah's network.
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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 4:11 PM

This network is like my crack.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of Disappeared. Don't get me wrong, the cases are well done and well presented and it's great that the cases are getting attention, but there's usually no conclusion and that leaves me dissatisfied.

I love Scorned Love Kills, I could do without the cheap porn re-enactments but the cases are usually interesting. I also love Nightmare Next Door, Unusual Suspects, Sins & Secrets, Motives & Murders, Blood Relatives, and Homicide Hunter.
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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 5:54 PM

LOL, fair enough Rory...different opinions make the world go round! I can see how "Disappeared" can bother someone if there is no conclusion...I guess it doesn't bother me since I expect no conclusion.

"Homicide Hunter" is the one with Kenda...I like that guy!

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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 6:09 PM

BIO is an A&E network, not Discovery.
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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 8:25 PM

Aw, ID is my crack too. I can't stop watching even the ones that drive me nuts. There, I said it. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Unfortunately the second step is stopping and I doubt I'm going to stop. I disdain, but I cannot abstain.

I already deleted the episodes of Disappeared that I thought were on BIO so I can't go back and check. I still see episodes on the list coming up for ID and for OWN. It may be that the non-ID episodes I saw were on OWN and not on BIO but I could have sworn they were on Bio. I schedule my DVR a week or more in advance and then watch stuff sometimes weeks later and if I don't pay attention to the little channel ident in the corner of the screen I lose track of what channel it was on.

My favorite ID shows are Disappeared (once I got over the nonconclusion), Lieutenant Kenda, Murder in Paradise (so far), and Blood Relatives (don't judge me). But I cannot turn away, no matter how aggravated I am, from Scorned, Deadly Women, etc. I guess that's the addiction talking.

BIO is doing new shows that mimic ID shows lately, I Killed My BFF the one that leaps to mind as a counterpoint to Frenemies.
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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 11:08 PM

Has Disappeared been cancelled though? I haven't seen that anywhere. It's all just speculation at this point.


Actually, when they burned the final four episodes a couple of weeks back, ID put "Disappeared: Final Season" in the bottom of the screen. Not much left to speculate about when the network has that tagged for four straight hours over two days.

As for the ridiculous amount of sex on all the shows now, they will throw in the stupidest shit just to be "naughty". Last week, I was watching an episode of some random show. They have a couple having sex. Which, whatever, it's their bullshit hook these days. Anyway, that's not enough for them. They actually have to show the guy tying the woman to the bed and blindfolding her. There's no mention anywhere I could tell that this couple was into kink, but it wasn't sufficient for them to even show vanilla sex anymore. They have to push as far as they can--even if there's no reason for it.

I hate the reliance on sex the network has gone with. I'm not going to defend myself against charges of "prudish" either. Fuck that. Not everything has to be about sex, and not every sexual relationship has to be shown in the most graphic and sensationalized manner the censors will allow. That's lowest common denominator b.s., as far as I'm concerned. It's not "edgy". I've seen it before, after all. It's not "realistic". After all, turning a 40-something schlub into Mr. Hot-Body isn't hitting the realism note for me. It's just sensationalistic and sleazy.

It's just gotten repetitive. I actually find it desensitizing. Disappeared and Kenda were the last two things I watched on the network. Now, only Kenda is left.
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Posted Apr 24, 2013 @ 11:27 PM

Final Season was the actual name of the last episode though, and was supposed to refer to her disappearing when she was watching the game she loved etc. Now, if they also did that as a sly dig at it being the final season (if it was) then that's obnoxious. But it was the name of that episode and not a declaration of the entire series 'final season'. The thing that worries me is the one episode in February, one episode in March, and then the three episode dump on one night in April. That does not bode well. There is absolutely nothing anyone seems to be able to find regarding it coming back next November but we don't really know for sure yet it's not. But it looks bad when you see what they are putting out there and what they aired instead of it in February and March. Not good at all.
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Posted Apr 25, 2013 @ 8:09 AM

Final Season was the name of the episode.

Sorry, posted before I saw the post from urlittledogtoo.

Oh, and Re: the channel being like crack, I was home from work Tuesday, sick, and I lay on the couch dozing off and on for hours. The ID channel was on the entire time.

I also have a weird fascination with the 48 Hours episodes. I had never seen any of them before ID started airing them. Many are good, but my fascination stems more from the creepy voice and odd looks of Keith Morrison, and Lester Holt. MrRunner says that Keith Morrison looks like someone's homely grandmother and Lester Holt is a hologram of a robot, and not a real human. He's been known to walk through the room and say "Is that the grandma and 'Data' show?" Heh.


And I will probably never cease to ponder the reason what's her name is always filmed in an empty warehouse.

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Posted Apr 25, 2013 @ 12:15 PM

I don't like the 48 hour eps. Maybe it's because they play the same cases over and over and over, and then we see them on another ID show. Paula Zahn's show bugs me, too.

As has been pointed out above Final Season was the name of the Disappeared episode, and it wasn't on any of the other episodes that I remember. It's also the one episode that I haven't seen because it was shown the week we moved and it hasn't been repeated, that I know of anyway.

ID is my crack, too. I usually have it on. I'll watch just about anything they show at least once.
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