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Posted Apr 1, 2013 @ 11:06 PM

The entire political plot line is ridiculous. He's running for governor, no? Have we even seen (or heard) him campaign outside of the Hamptons? And his campaign is being run by Ashley aka Victoria's former personal party planner? Okay.



That's exactly what I was wondering. Its more like he's running for Mayor of Montauk. And I don't believe for 2 seconds that Victoria would take her ass to Albany for any length of time.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 12:03 AM

I can't believe Aiden is still around. Do TPTB think he is some kind of fan favorite?


Nolan is fan favorite, but Aiden is much better than Jack and Daniel. He, Nolan, and Emanda are definitely my favorites. Aiden is proven to be useful and connect with Emanda and Nolan. Those three are plotting and scheming and actually doing something. I can't stand Jack and his moping or Daniel and his...uh, dumbness. And it's obvious that Emanda connects with Aiden in many different level. She can be herself with him.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 3:24 AM

I am of two minds for...

On the one hand, the Nemily fangirl in me is freaking out over the moments those two had in this episode. And Aiden earned brownie points from me for tracking down and killing Trask (I actually like him a lot when it's just him or him and Nolan).

On the other hand, the episode as a whole seemed...strange. Even when I hate certain storylines, for me this show usually still manages to make everything flow together. They were just a lot of plot points that seemed kind of random to me.

-Why did Emanda and Aiden let Nolan go crazy for six weeks before trying to draw out Trask? It seemed like it worked pretty easily and quickly.

-What was the point of messing with Victoria's mind at the masquerade ball?

-As much as I love anything that brings Nolan and Emanda closer (and it was very nice to see Emanda hurting on Nolan's behalf), Nolan's sequence of reactions to Padma's death was odd...first he seemed angry and even wanted to blame Emanda, but then he says "I love you, too" (it's definitely not how I imagined his first time saying it to her), and then he's comforting HER and making her go back to the party?

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 8:40 AM

On the other hand, the episode as a whole seemed...strange. Even when I hate certain storylines, for me this show usually still manages to make everything flow together. They were just a lot of plot points that seemed kind of random to me.


Ditto. The episode just felt like a rushed resolution to several plotpoints that were set-up earlier to seem far grander. So Padma's entire storyline with her father and herself being kidnapped ends with Aiden finding her in a room dead? What purpose was achieved from that story then? To show how evil the Initiative are? Was that Trask's entire purpose as well?

The fact that we've only been introduced to three members of the Initiative, one at a time, who are now all dead reeks of bad writing. In order to wrap up this storyline the writers are going to have to introduce yet more Initiative members and have them run their course in the space of 4 episodes. That is not you write a seasonal arc.

We should have gotten Little Bad (Gordon Murphy or Helen Crowley) for the first half of the season which then segued into the Big Bad (leader of the Initiative) for the rest. Instead, we got yet another Little Bad who was promptly killed off for absolutely no reason but shock value.

I really have no idea what the writers are doing but I truly hope at least they do.

Edited by SomeMeddlingKid, Apr 2, 2013 @ 8:45 AM.


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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 11:51 AM

Nolan is fan favorite, but Aiden is much better than Jack and Daniel. He, Nolan, and Emanda are definitely my favorites. Aiden is proven to be useful and connect with Emanda and Nolan. Those three are plotting and scheming and actually doing something. I can't stand Jack and his moping or Daniel and his...uh, dumbness. And it's obvious that Emanda connects with Aiden in many different level. She can be herself with him.


I do admit that I kind of like Aiden when he's verbally sparring with Nolan. But I don't buy his relationship with Emanda on any kind of level. I don't believe she can be herself with him because I don't believe she is herself. I have a problem with all of Emanda's romantic suitors and I finder her pursuit of any of them inconsistent so long as she's plotting her revenge.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 1:47 PM

Ditto. The episode just felt like a rushed resolution to several plotpoints that were set-up earlier to seem far grander. So Padma's entire storyline with her father and herself being kidnapped ends with Aiden finding her in a room dead? What purpose was achieved from that story then? To show how evil the Initiative are? Was that Trask's entire purpose as well?

The fact that we've only been introduced to three members of the Initiative, one at a time, who are now all dead reeks of bad writing. In order to wrap up this storyline the writers are going to have to introduce yet more Initiative members and have them run their course in the space of 4 episodes. That is not you write a seasonal arc.


Yeah, it almost feels as if they're wrapping everything up 'Initiative-related'.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 2:35 PM

Apparently if Queen Victoria invites you to her annual masquerade ball, you get your ass out to the Hamptons tout de suite!

It seemed to me that the ball was being held in a Manhattan hotel. Of course I'm always confused by everyone acting like it's a short drive from the tip of Long Island to New York City.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one confused about who the detective was at the end of the episode.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 3:34 PM

Nolan said he "loved" Padma, although in his perpetual state of loneliness I think it was more about feeling an attachment to someone who already made it clear she cared for him as more than a boss. He also started seeing Padma at a time when he was feeling hurt about Aiden spending time with Emily. The majority of his pain seems to come from feeling like an innocent person (who told him she loved him) has been killed because of his program Carrion, and that he and Aiden failed to protect her. And he really cared about her. So he's hurting a lot. But I have no doubt Emily is much more important to him, and always will be. She's in his heart, but she's not available (to him, right now). He only knew Padma a few months.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:42 PM

Well, one the plus side Padma is finally out of our hair. Bad news, we now have to endure this nonsensical "Nolan is accused of murdering her" storyline, which: what? Is he being framed or is it just police incompetence?

On the WTF front: Jack, why the hell would you believe Ashley wants to take Conrad down? When has she ever showed anything resembling a conscience or is fact anything other than self-interest? If she manages to stay attached to him enough to see him rise why would she shoot herself in the foot by then bringing him down? Because he's an ass to her? Love, she's in it for money and status, not warm fuzzies.

I say this with someone who lists black, white and red (plus grey) in all their combinations as her favourite colors, but is Victoria capable of throwing parties involving a different palette?
That said, as obvious as the Black Queen VS White Queen thing was, Emanda looked fucking gorgeous in that gown. The costume department knows what they're doing. On that note, I also loved Nolan's jacket.

I fully expected Charlotte to shove that bitch off the balcony or at least attempt to, but I suppose she's barred from entertainig crazy and doomed to eternal depression. Le sigh.

Since it seems clear that Emanda doesn't know where Victoria's son is, I wonder who was the guy at the party. Did she call an acting agency? An escort service? Did Takeda send another of his pupils as a training exercise?

I could not care less about Aidan inner turmoil and hurt feelings and sanctimonious judging. It did say "Hell bent for revenge" on the box when you bought her, deal with it. Not to mention, some eps ago you were telling her to abandon emotions. Yes, she's gonna sleep with another guy. Yes, he's a selfish ass you want dead. Don't try to tell me you wouldn't fuck Victoria if you thought you might gain something from it.

Emanda and Nolan: Platonic OTP Forever.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 8:34 PM

I covet that white gown that Emily was wearing at the ball.

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Posted Apr 2, 2013 @ 9:29 PM

Daniel wins line of the night with "Feel free to use one for each of your two faces". Ha!


I actually thought Nolan's "Start your revengines." was pretty good.

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Posted Apr 3, 2013 @ 12:17 AM

Charlotte's cat fight was completely out-of-place and pointless. If it wasn't to introduce Conrad's other children then I fail to see how that scene served any purpose.

Agreed. But I find anything involving Charlotte to be out-of-place and pointless, and don't think Charlotte herself serves any purpose.

I seriously laugh out loud every time Jack or Daniel try to be all scheme-y. Itís like the Dumbolympics.

Nolanís sudden love for Padma threw me last episode and this ep was just ridiculous. Now Aiden and Emily, thatís chemistry. Love those two together.

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Posted Apr 4, 2013 @ 7:21 AM

Good episode. Loved the actual masquerade party itself too.

Victoria - obviously she was going to lie to Conrad about that baby she had. Was it a shock? Nope.

Emily, I really am hoping she's playing a long con on that nun because the last thing the show needs is another pregnancy plot.

Aiden and Daniel are both possessive of Emily in their own ways, aren't they? Not a good thing there.

Nice that Daniel figured out that Victoria sent him the bullets.

Liking the scenes with Jack and Ashley in this one as well. An interesting team up as well.

Good for Charlotte slapping that girl but Declan really isn't doing much nowadays is he?

Nolan, I felt bad for him in this one. Padma's death, saw it coming, assuming she is actually dead and that detective seems like another Initiative plant too, 8/10

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Posted Apr 4, 2013 @ 1:04 PM

I didn't get the point of the masquerade party. Those little masks would not hide people's identity, especially when they were all together without the masks and then put them on. All I can figure is that it was yet another excuse for Victoria to throw one of her parties for which she dictates what colors everyone can wear.

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Posted Apr 4, 2013 @ 4:35 PM

Granted this is probably due to my limited TV watching, but I think thereís a requirement to have a masquerade ball in the second season of any new show. The masks arenít there to hide the identity of any of the stars, but there will always be at least one mysterious figure among the usual crowd.

Revenge: mysterious man in the black/white face mask (though he was obviously an out of work off-off Broadway actor hired by Emanda)

Vampire Diaries: mysterious jester who subsequently kidnapped Elena

Pretty Little Liars: Black Swan and Red Queen

Iím sure there are others.

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Posted Apr 4, 2013 @ 4:46 PM

Granted this is probably due to my limited TV watching, but I think thereís a requirement to have a masquerade ball in the second season of any new show. The masks arenít there to hide the identity of any of the stars, but there will always be at least one mysterious figure among the usual crowd.

Revenge: mysterious man in the black/white face mask (though he was obviously an out of work off-off Broadway actor hired by Emanda)

Vampire Diaries: mysterious jester who subsequently kidnapped Elena

Pretty Little Liars: Black Swan and Red Queen

Iím sure there are others.


It's visually appealing and it can be used for mysterious situations, in this case, Emily having someone trick Victoria into thinking it's her son.

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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 7:48 PM

So, after watching this episode I have to conclude that Emily threw away the laptop so she can refocus her Revengenda into just being randomly bitchy. Seriously, what did anything in this episode achieve? As for this illegitimate child/ pregnancy plotline, it is the most tiresome plotline since the last tiresome plotline.

On the other hand, Nolan killed me in this episode. He actually made me cry.

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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:02 PM

So, after watching this episode I have to conclude that Emily threw away the laptop so she can refocus her Revengenda into just being randomly bitchy. Seriously, what did anything in this episode achieve? As for this illegitimate child/ pregnancy plotline, it is the most tiresome plotline since the last tiresome plotline.

On the other hand, Nolan killed me in this episode. He actually made me cry.


He's practically the best thing on this show nowadays.

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Posted Apr 8, 2013 @ 2:53 PM

-What was the point of messing with Victoria's mind at the masquerade ball?

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but my assumption is that Emanda had to sufficiently rattle Victoria into thinking her son had actually returned so that Victoria would go to whoever could tell her where he was, so Emanda could follow her and find out for herself.

As so many have already pointed out, the death of Padma just didn't resonate on any real emotional level because they did next to nothing to establish her or her relationship with Nolan. If we were supposed to feel something it didn't work, hard as Gabriel Mann tried to sell it. The greatest actor in the world can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

Likewise, I've never felt anything for Aiden. Nothing, nada, zip. And - it's basically for the same reason. In the first season we got a wealth of backstory on what Amanda was seeking revenge for. With Aiden, it's been some stitched together backstory that's only been given lip service. Does anyone really feel his pain or angst over his missing/dead sister? Again, these are characters they never bothered to really establish in a meaningful way, so I can't really feel anything for them (except annoyance).

I'm not sure what they were going for here, about the only thing I got out of it was that they sensed Padma just wasn't working and decided to bump her off. Which doesn't speak well of any sort of long-term plan they ever had for this season. Seems more and more like the writers are just flying by the seat of their pants.

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Posted Apr 8, 2013 @ 4:39 PM

Which doesn't speak well of any sort of long-term plan they ever had for this season. Seems more and more like the writers are just flying by the seat of their pants.


I guess they're trying to wrap up the storylines that didn't work out at all.

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Posted Apr 8, 2013 @ 11:00 PM

Seems like Nolan may go 'darker' now, becoming even more invested in working with Emily to get revenge because now two innocent (as far as we know) people he really cared for - David and Padma - have been murdered. I see the writers are creating a rift between Aiden and Emily because he's "disgusted" that she's 'reunited' with Daniel. So Nolan has an opportunity to work more closely with Ems. We already know what he thinks of Aiden ... I see the potential for tension, for Emily to be all "Nolan gets it, Aiden doesn't. Good-bye Aiden." Actually I think Aiden may well get killed later in the season. I want to see more of Emily and Nolan plotting.

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Posted Apr 9, 2013 @ 1:27 PM

I still think the best direction for this show to go is to make Emanda and Nolan enemies.

They really need to put some more emphasis on Emanda's choice of her own revenge and appearance at lunch with Daniel over helping Nolan while he's on the phone begging her.

I do hope they have an OK for a renewal so they can finish off the Initiative once and for all and hit a bit of a reset button for next year.

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Posted Apr 9, 2013 @ 6:11 PM

I guess they're trying to wrap up the storylines that didn't work out at all.


The problem is that whenever they do they simply introduce another random element to replace the previous random element when the randomness of that element was the problem. Why kill off Amanda just to introduce Emily's foster brother just to get rid of him in two episodes just to throw in Victoria's illegitimate son? Why bring in not one but two CFO love interests for Nolan only to have both end up being innocent and kind of pointless and quickly writing them out?

I see the writers are creating a rift between Aiden and Emily because he's "disgusted" that she's 'reunited' with Daniel


And again, her reuniting with Daniel was the plan so why is he suddenly disgusted? Where did that come from?

Nolan gets it, Aiden doesn't. Good-bye Aiden.


I hope so. All season the one consistent feedback to the writers is that keeping Nolan and Emily in separate storylines is a problem. And that's the one thing they haven't addressed. I don't think the writers should dance to the tune of every messageboard but this is the one thing almost everybody agrees on.

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Posted Apr 10, 2013 @ 8:08 PM

Honestly, Aiden wore out his welcome for me several episodes ago. This on/off jealousy of Daniel is my least favorite thing about him. Considering he was willing to kill Victoria, which is WORSE than carrying on a faux-mance with someone, he really has no room to judge. Sure, he may be upset about Coleen's death, but none of that is Emily's fault. She tried multiple times to help him as well as control his impulsive nature which has gotten him into trouble mroe than once. Don't get all pissy with Emily because you're a bad revenger, Aiden.

I don't think Padma's dead. All we saw was her lying on a slab in a warehouse and you know the TV rule: unless you SEE the death, they're not dead. I can easily picture the writers having her rappel down in the middle of a gunfight to shock Nolan with an "I've been tricking you all along" monologue. As for the autopsy/documentation that claims she's dead, that's also off-screen. We're talking about the Initiative here. If they can sneak a bomb into an airport and blackmail the world's billionaires, I'm pretty sure they can forge a couple police papers.

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Posted Apr 11, 2013 @ 5:44 PM

The problem is that whenever they do they simply introduce another random element to replace the previous random element when the randomness of that element was the problem. Why kill off Amanda just to introduce Emily's foster brother just to get rid of him in two episodes just to throw in Victoria's illegitimate son? Why bring in not one but two CFO love interests for Nolan only to have both end up being innocent and kind of pointless and quickly writing them out?


Which is why I was skeptical about the foster brother storyline, because just as I feared, it ended up as pointless as her mom's storyline.

They need to stop throwing in characters and focus on the ones they already have.

Edited by Machuran, Apr 11, 2013 @ 5:50 PM.


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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 4:37 PM

The writers are making Aiden look like he sucks as a revenger. He goes to meet the Initiative without a secure plan. He goes off on Emily without knowing for sure any facts about his sister's death. His plot to work with Nolan in saving Padma and her father got the two killed, as far as we know. He can't separate his emotions from the Revenge project re: Emily. That "disgusted" line really made it seem that Aiden thinks Emily is trashy because of her 'reunion' w/Daniel. So that's why I think he may be the next character to die because of his own stupidity and miscalculations. I think Nolan is far smarter and more grounded than Aiden will ever be.

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Posted Apr 23, 2013 @ 9:51 PM

Just finished watching, I agree about Nolan, definitely the shining star of the episode.

Just wanted to say, it's time for Jack to somehow "discover" the truth.

The baby is a cutie pie.