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Posted Mar 17, 2013 @ 10:15 PM

Per Syfy

In the year 2046, its a new Earth with new rules. Over thirty years after various alien races arrived on Earth, the landscape is completely altered, terraformed nearly beyond recognition. To the town of Defiance, on what used to be St. Louis, comes the mysterious Nolan (Grant Bowler) and his charge, Irisa (Stephanie Leonidas). As they settle into town overseen by the mayor, Amanda Rosewater (Julie Benz) and filled with residents like the powerful Rafe McCawley (Graham Greene), enterprising lounge owner Kenya (Mia Kirshner) and the ambitious, alien Tarrs (Tony Curran and Jaime Murray) - events begin to unfold that threaten the fragile peace this border town has fought for.


And there's a MMORPG to go along with it.

Premieres Monday, April 15 at 9 PM EST on Syfy.

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Posted Mar 18, 2013 @ 1:55 PM

I'm looking forward to this show. The concept of incorporating what happens in the video game into the show, even if it's just tangentially, is cool and I wish I were playing.
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Posted Mar 22, 2013 @ 1:11 PM

I'm looking forward to this one too. I love Grant Bowler, Jaime Murray, Julie Benz, and Tony Curran. I'm not a gamer though and even though TPTB keep saying that you won't need to play the game to follow the show, a part of me will feel like I'm missing out.

Edited by rove3, Mar 22, 2013 @ 1:13 PM.

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Posted Mar 22, 2013 @ 3:53 PM

I automatically want to see it simply for the reunion of Dexter's exs, Julie Benz and Jaime Murrary (Lila on S2 of that show). But I also like a whole bunch of the other cast, like Grant Bowler, Graham Greene, Tony Curran, and Mia Kirshner. The concept seems interesting enough as well. I'm a gamer, but not into MMORPG, so I do hope you they're telling the truth that you don't need to play it, to enjoy the show.

My main concern, of course, is SyFy. The show looks pretty expensive and they've been giving it a ton of promotion, so I worry that if it doesn't automatically have massive ratings, they won't support it. I appreciate the network for letting America get to see Canadian shows like Lost Girl and Continuum, and picking up Merlin's run after the first season, but there are other times where they just do things that just make no fucking sense. I just feel like they're more about the quick, easy buck, and less about long-term profit, which could hurt a show like this.
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Posted Mar 22, 2013 @ 5:27 PM

. I'm not a gamer though and even though TPTB keep saying that you won't need to play the game to follow the show, a part of me will feel like I'm missing out.

I don't think you should feel like you're missing out. According to what I've heard from the creators the show and the video game take place in two different cities. I imagine from time to time they'll mention what's going on in the city where the video game takes place and maybe it'll slightly affect things in the show's city as well(like food prices or something) but like I said in my OP it'll just be tangentially.

My main concern, of course, is SyFy. The show looks pretty expensive and they've been giving it a ton of promotion, so I worry that if it doesn't automatically have massive ratings, they won't support it

I suspect SyFy will also get some money via the video game so the need for good ratings isn't what it would be if Defiance were just a show. Personally, I think the video game is the show's saving grace because I think it will be a nice seller.
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Posted Mar 24, 2013 @ 4:39 AM

Strangely devoid of diversity considering it's St. Louis.
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Posted Mar 24, 2013 @ 2:16 PM

I just feel like they're more about the quick, easy buck, and less about long-term profit, which could hurt a show like this.

I have zero faith in this network for any long-term thinking. Why would they? Next year they'll be new people in exec positions and this show probably will whither away. I'm probably going to wait to watch the show but check in to see if it's any good. This network is probably the worst place for a scifi show.
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Posted Mar 25, 2013 @ 12:10 PM

I have zero faith in this network for any long-term thinking. Why would they? Next year they'll be new people in exec positions and this show probably will whither away. I'm probably going to wait to watch the show but check in to see if it's any good. This network is probably the worst place for a scifi show

IMO that's too harsh and I don't think they're any worse at supporting a show than any other network is. Sure I'm bitter about the early cancellations of shows like The Dresdian Files and Alphas but SyFy has supported shows too. Warehouse 13 is going into it's 5th season, and before that both Eureka and Battlestar Galatica got five years, and Stargate: SG-1 got ten years. And I'm sure there are other examples I'm forgetting.
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Posted Mar 28, 2013 @ 12:34 PM

The first fourteen minutes of the pilot episode. See if you can spot the Farscape reference (to be fair, not much about this preview is subtle--let alone the Western overtones).
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Posted Mar 28, 2013 @ 8:19 PM

Yes, harsh. This network doesn't deserve a shred of respect. I maintain that my point is valid that when the execs rollover again, this show will be on the outs. Shows have gotten axed in the most classless ways possible, consistently, for over a decade.

I'll check in to see if the show is good, and I want out to be, but I feel like I know how it ends. But, no, I don't think this network is a supportive place for new scifi tv.
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Posted Apr 11, 2013 @ 7:00 PM

This show's been on my radar because of Rockne O'Bannon, but I didn't actually read anything about it until the last 24 hours. I work in the MMO industry so I was vaguely aware of the game tie-in (which, according to some of my co-workers, is actually reasonably entertaining to play), but I have to admit, upon reading the show premise on Wikipedia I can see how this could be a pretty successful cross-market. The premise and casting have me excited for the premiere. I know the 14-min clip is available, but if (like me) you're waiting to see the whole thing, here's a little Julie-Benz-centric trailer from a couple of months ago that gives an engagingly Farscape-meets-Firefly vibe:

Defiance Trailer #2

As a viewer of both Firefly and Farscape and a million other marginal/prematurely cancelled/genre shows, I certainly understand pre-emptive bitterness, but I'm going to go ahead and allow myself to feel mildly optimistic. I know, I know.

Edited by kieyra, Apr 11, 2013 @ 7:01 PM.

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Posted Apr 11, 2013 @ 7:13 PM

A buddy of mine from a different multiplayer game has been streaming his gameplay of the MMO for the show. It looks like a pretty cool game, but I honestly don't think there's much there for fans of the show (in terms of will you be missing out on plot if you skip the game). Half the people he was playing with the last time I watched them play had no idea there WAS a show. It looks like they do sometimes pull up characters from the TV series but that they kept the game remote enough that it can fail or succeed on its own as can the show.

All of that said, it is a seriously pretty game.
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Posted Apr 11, 2013 @ 9:01 PM

The first fourteen minutes of the pilot episode. See if you can spot the Farscape reference (to be fair, not much about this preview is subtle--let alone the Western overtones).

Looks good to me, but that might have been mostly the nostalgia-inducing bits like the opening space-porn shots, Johnny Cash song, the BSGish music, and the sound of SG1 rings when they dropped the net to enter St. Louis. Kind of like the way the smell of pot makes me smile even though haven't had any in 30 years.
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Posted Apr 11, 2013 @ 9:52 PM

Jacob is going to be doing the recaps. Win.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 3:54 AM

The first fourteen minutes of the pilot episode. See if you can spot the Farscape reference (to be fair, not much about this preview is subtle--let alone the Western overtones).


Looks good to me, but that might have been mostly the nostalgia-inducing bits like the opening space-porn shots, Johnny Cash song, the BSGish music, and the sound of SG1 rings when they dropped the net to enter St. Louis. Kind of like the way the smell of pot makes me smile even though haven't had any in 30 years.


I saw the preview and IMHO, it kind of reminds me of a great space western/space opera called Firefly and not Farscape.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 9:43 AM

Well crap. I watched the 14 minute clip & I'm interested. I was a little intrigued due to the Face Off challenge based on the show but because I don't trust SyFy to not screw up sci fi I was hesitant, but now I want to find out what unfolds. I'm going to try to keep my expectations low & see what's next.

Edited by ramble, Apr 12, 2013 @ 9:44 AM.

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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 2:12 PM

Not sure how I feel about this. I LOVE Rockne, but after the enormous wasted potential of CULT and seeing giant piles of refuse like Revolution, The Following, and Grimm thrive while genius like Fringe and awesome fun like Eureka have to struggle constantly or are summarily executed, I'm guarded.

Has anyone looked into this to see if O'Bannon is working with Henson company again? I think the creature shop was one of the most wonderful parts of Farscape.

It'll be interesting (I hope) to watch Monday. Here's to better scripted more magical shows to obsess over.

Cheers!
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 2:44 PM

Wasn't Rockne behind Cult?
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 2:52 PM

Wasn't Rockne behind Cult?


I think that's the point the OP was making, although it seems like Defiance might at least be more in his comfort zone. (I don't know exactly what went wrong with Cult other than that it was considered to be Not Good.)
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 3:00 PM

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Wasn't Rockne behind Cult?


I think that's the point the OP was making, although it seems like Defiance might at least be more in his comfort zone. (I don't know exactly what went wrong with Cult other than that it was considered to be Not Good.)


Exactly right, I was saying that I love Rockne but Cult, though it could have been epic, failed miserably. I hope you're right about Defiance being in his comfort zone- something with mirth, joy, tragedy and characters as well drawn as they were on Farscape would be a joy to watch.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 3:08 PM

I don't know exactly what went wrong with Cult other than that it was considered to be Not Good.


To bust out a cliched description, I describe it close to a "noble failure." The idea behind the show was actually pretty good, IMO (about show fandoms and how out of control it can get at times), but it was just executed horribly, IMO. Lifeless performances (except Robert Knepper), the pacing was beyond slow, so many boring twists and turns, and it just kind of fell apart.

At least this show already one-ups Cult in the casting department. With respect to Matt Davis and Jessica Lucas, Grant Bowler, Julie Benz, Jaime Murrary, and crew are much stronger actors, IMO. Right now, I'm still more concerned about SyFy then the show-runners/producers. I still think if this doesn't have massive ratings, SyFy might just think it's not worth it, and decided to just use to make more cheap B,C, or D-Movies. Or, they could go real crazy and pull another Dresden Files ("It has good ratings, but too many of them are women! We can't have that!!")
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 3:45 PM

Or, they could go real crazy and pull another Dresden Files


Argh. I have a feeling this black spot on television history makes you and I gnash our teeth for different reasons.

May the blue beetle rest in peace. Love life to any well written, affectionate towards if not true to any source material, FUN, INTERESTING genre show.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 4:49 PM

but I honestly don't think there's much there for fans of the show (in terms of will you be missing out on plot if you skip the game

SyFy has various Defiance extras OnDemand and whatching them talk about the crosspromotion of the game and show makes me think they'll do more than I originally thought. Not only will certain events that take place in the show affect what happens in the video game and vice versa but they also mention characters from the show will go visit the game's city and vice versa. I doubt we viewers will miss any major plot point but I imagine there'll be some interesting stuff happening outside the show.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 7:09 PM

Not sure how I feel about this. I LOVE Rockne, but after the enormous wasted potential of CULT and seeing giant piles of refuse like Revolution, The Following, and Grimm thrive while genius like Fringe and awesome fun like Eureka have to struggle constantly or are summarily executed, I'm guarded.

I'm on the same page with you except for Grimm. I kind of love it, mostly because...

I was saying that I love Rockne but Cult, though it could have been epic, failed miserably. I hope you're right about Defiance being in his comfort zone- something with mirth,

..because Grimm has mirth. I agree. That's a crucial bit. Cult not only lacked mirth or any amount of humor, but it had that horrible scene with the nails through the hands to the picnic table. I hope Defiance doesn't follow the trend towards that kind of torture-porn.
I didn't care much for the alien prosthetic make up in the preview. Too much like those folks from whatever that edition of Star Trek. Spock ears and brows are about as far as I'm comfortable with alien transformations. Anything more than that and it better be puppets. Plus, it doesn't box them into a corner in the event that they have to pass for human--like Teal'C could always just put on a hat.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 7:20 PM

SyFy has various Defiance extras OnDemand and whatching them talk about the crosspromotion of the game and show makes me think they'll do more than I originally thought.


That hilarious, I was totally coming here to update my post and say the same thing. It does seem like they are doing it in a way that means we're not going to miss out on anything other than nuance if we decide to skip it, which I think is nice of them. I'll be curious to see if they can balance the cross promotion with the "not required", well. Seems like it could be tricky.

I'll probably check it out because nerd.
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Posted Apr 12, 2013 @ 7:30 PM

I really appreciated that Farscape went beyond forehead aliens and I'm hoping to see at least some of that same creativity on Defiance. Although the albino humanoids are pretty.
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Posted Apr 13, 2013 @ 9:08 AM

I too worry about the lack of racial diversity on this show otherwise it looks interesting and I will definitely check it out because of Jaime, Mia and Julie.
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Posted Apr 13, 2013 @ 10:14 PM

Pilot review from IGN. They were underwhelmed, although they see potential. Their issues with it seemed to be that it could be very predictable and cliched at times, and the only characters that left a mark where the ones played by Grant Bowler and Stephenie Leonidas. Hopefully it's just typical pilot kinks, and things smooth out in future episodes. This certainly wouldn't be the first show were it started out a bit weak, but became better as it went on. I'm still planning on giving it a go.
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Posted Apr 14, 2013 @ 10:29 AM

Just watched the hour 'n' 25 minute pilot for free on Amazon. Do they do that sort of thing often?

Anyway, another show it reminded me of a lot was Andromeda. And the Voltans were very cylon-esque. But while it could be labeled derivative, there is "nothing new under the sun" (an Old Testament/Hebrew scriptures quote--Ecclesiastes, the 'words of Solomon, son of David'--for those who don't but do want to know). In other words, everything is derivative. And, actually, everytime I found myself thinking "just like FireFly" or "just like on whatevershow," I'd immediately think, "but different."

Bear McCreary's music is great, but it's so similar that I kept thinking I was watching BSG or Caprica.

Grant Bowler has enough charisma to carry the show, but the Tarr family are not worthy villains--they're too melodramatic, over the top...IDK...what's the word I'm looking for? They remind me of the various villains of the week from 1960s Star Trek. They borrowed Todd the Wraith's look (from SG Atlantis) without Christopher Heyerdahl's charm.

The big battle at night made it hard to see what was going on--which I guess is the point. A lot of shows seem to use darkness to save money on extras, makeup, and CGI these days. So annoying.
But still. Grant Bowler is easy to watch.

Edited by shapeshifter, Apr 14, 2013 @ 10:40 AM.

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Posted Apr 14, 2013 @ 11:24 AM

Although the albino humanoids are pretty

Well, they have been officially described as the supermodels of the alien races. Personally, I agree they are pretty but I find Jaime Murray hotter without the makeup. But that may be my bias for the Human race showing itself.
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