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[TWoP Nikita]

From Zap2it:

The contestants perform a soap opera to promote a product; a project manager confronts an insubordinate team member; another celebrity is eliminated.

This thread will open at 11:00pm EDT on March 17th.

[melodytrax]

Latoya was right. Trump wasn't going to fire Omarosa. He won't let her win but he won't cut her loose this early in the game.

[bandita]

Loved Latoya's comment about Omarosa giving Michael a heart attack and the comment about pulling the plug.

I am not even sure they were really engaged.... I have seen a lot of fake crying.

I don't think Donald would have fired Omarosa yet. I noticed that Omarosa kept saying the same thing over and over to Arsenio.It was a scripted excuse from her.


I think Trace Adkins has this in the bag to be near the end. He is talented, knows how to play the game and has T Boone Pickens . Would love to see Trace go at it with Omarosa in the boardroom setting soon.

Edited by bandita, Mar 17, 2013 @ 10:05 PM.

[BW Manilowe]

From Zap2it:

This thread will open at 11:00pm EDT on March 17th.

In the thread title, this episode is numbered as 13-2 (same as last week's). It's episode 13-3. Hope this helps.

Fixed. For future reference, this sort of thing should go in the Mod thread instead of the episode thread since this thread should be for discussing. Thanks. - Nikita

Edited by TWoP Nikita, Mar 18, 2013 @ 12:31 AM.

[thalia ann]

I have seen a lot of fake crying

I went to bed the minute after Latoya said she wasn't brining Omarosa back in, so I don't know who was fired. But I got back up to comment on the fact that no one had the nerve to point out that she didn't shed a Single. Damn. Tear. For all I know she was telling the truth about the reason she had to leave, but I hate it when women on these shows pull out the hysterics, but don't mess up their makeup.

Omarosa is right. She was the best actress on the team.

[Stinger97]

I missed the first hour of the episode because the boyfriend was watching The Good Wife, but I was glad I caught the last hour to see how far Omarosa has stooped in order to remain on an NBC reality show that's decidedly past its expiration. For her to whip out the "Michael was the love of my life!" excuse for the second week in a row, complete with crocodile tears, you best believe she'll do anything to extend her much-too-long 15 minutes of fame. That said, I don't think she even needed to pull the dead fiance card. There's no way in hell that Trump was going to fire her... it was always going to be LaToya because she was the project manager and Omarosa brings the drama.

I was impressed with LaToya suggesting that Omarosa probably pulled MCD's plug. I would not be surprised.

Edited by Stinger97, Mar 17, 2013 @ 10:19 PM.

[bandita]

Omarosa is right. She was the best actress on the team.

A Shakespearean actor at that! Rewind to watch Jack Wagner's face as Omarosa is bragging about her acting skills.

[MKX]

LaToya is a hateful and pathetic piece of shit. What a loser.

[princelina]

I went to bed the minute after Latoya said she wasn't brining Omarosa back in, so I don't know who was fired. But I got back up to comment on the fact that no one had the nerve to point out that she didn't shed a Single. Damn. Tear.

Just not to her face -- Trump, Ivanka and Arsenio discussed it when they were alone in the boardroom, and her teammates have all mentioned it too.

[weizard]

LaToya's reasoning was a combination of fear of Omarosa & conceding that the PM was likely the one to get fired.

I personally don't think DT would've fired Omarosa because she was playing up the sympathy. However, the best case would be "she was only there 1/2 the time. When there she was a distraction. And when not there things went great". But LaToya thought she was gone anyway & just didn't want Omarosa in the room to gloat.

Omarosa has really gotten into everyone's heads to make them hypocrites though. Sure, Omarosa is not concerned about winning tasks, but getting people fired. However, everyone else loses their perspective dealing with her, & just focuses on getting HER fired, even though there isn't a good case for it.

But I'm curious if this had been a sales task, would Omarosa have left. A subjective task like this didn't require man-hours, or everyone being onstage. But a task where just being there made a difference, I doubt she would've made an excuse to leave.

[wessex]

Hooray, Latoya! She saw that Trump was not going to fire Omarosa, and she refused to allow Omarosa more time in the boardroom to have her obnoxious mug on camera. Latoya refused to play the game and went out on her own terms. Brava.

[CK17]

I thought LaToya's skit was way better than Stephen's. She shouldn't of been in the boardroom in the first place.

[luckyfive]

Trump didn't ask everyone on LaToya's team who should be fired. They were all afraid to speak out against Omarosa even though they all knew how awful Omarosa acted so LaToya had very little support from her team. Too bad they didn't all speak up about Omarosa, then I think LaToya would have brought her back knowing she had the backing of her team.

Omarosa thinks leadership is talking over top of everyone else in an attempt to run things, plus, she keeps on talking and saying the same things over and over as if the person who talks the most is the true leader. Real leadership means listening as well and contributing ideas, but not by pushing everyone else aside as if they don't matter.

[TomGirl]

LaToya - dumbest move ever!

[Shocker]

Under normal circumstances, I don't think DT would fire Omarosa until he had no other choice because she's good for ratings. However, due to the special circumstances this evening, I do think DT would have fired Omarosa tonight if he were given the chance. He's not fooled by Omarosa's fake tears. He's more concerned with Lisa Renna's lips, Dennis Rodman's tattoos, Lil Jon's grill, and all the other really important points.

LaToya blew it, in my opinion. I don't think she thought that she would be fired when she chose to have Brandy and Dennis come back into the boardroom. Surprise!

That team needs to band together and ALL tell the truth about Omarosa before the Donald can open his yap to talk about something inconsequential like the color of the walls. "Do you think the color on the walls is too dark, Trace? Penn? Arsenio, did you notice that I've changed the color since your season?" Until they are able to make a point without Omarosa's butting in or without the Donald's silly comments, Omarosa will probably win the game. She needs to find some friends who will support her monetarily in challenges, though.

Edited by Shocker, Mar 18, 2013 @ 11:04 AM.

[Maddingcrowd]

I wish LaToya's entire team had told Trump they were walking out unless Omarosa was fired. She had a lot of nerve fake crying about her fiancé then making little remarks about La Toya's brother. On top of that she isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is; she finds one thing to bring up and repeats it over and over. It this episode, she pounced on the idea that it was about product knowledge, even after Ivanka told her that was not correct. Unless she is PM, she will not do a thing to help and she will be downright rude to anyone and everyone on her team.

Penn is another version of Omarosa but is much more stealthy. He too thinks he knows much more than anyone else, is always prepared to throw the fellow team members under the bus and comes up with one idea that is not always that great. The Crystal Light people thought Trace and Lisa were funny, the idea of romance equals Crystal Light not so much. Hope Lil Jon or Trace win it all but I'm hoping for Lil Jon because he was such a big help to John Rich during his season.

Edited by Maddingcrowd, Mar 18, 2013 @ 12:44 AM.

[Knots Landing]

It's sad that La Toya went out so early, she is very entertaining, but she went out the way she needed to. I love that people are openly calling Trump out on his BS. I absolutely believe that Omarosa isn't going home NO MATTER WHAT. It's too early in the season and she's the main source of drama. Trump is not going to get rid of her. At the very least he'll say she defended herself well or that someone else is too weak. He's going to milk this for all it's worth. Omarosa will at least make it half way through the season, but probably closer to the end. Of course she won't win, but she'll be around.

[AllThatGlitters]

I think Omarosa is psychopath. She is devoid of any ability for empathy and believes she's smarter and better than anyone. She can't actually feel remorse but has become an expert in faking it. A Witch is a good description.

Donald Trump is a huge fan. He admires her ability to stir shit up and be cruel to others. He enjoys watching it like he'd enjoy as a kid watching a neighbourhood kid pull wings off flies. That's because the Don, the Birther, Tea Bagger, whack job arrogant asshole that he is, gets off on watching someone more evil and callous than he is do their stuff.

So I too have doubts she would have been fired. DT can say he would have, but there is no telling what would go down after he had Dennis, and LaToya with her in the boardroom and after he worked on goading Dennis and La Toya with gotcha questions, watching Omarosa break down again, etc... Too bad we can't dial up and watch the alternate universe's version!

[luvsdonnyo]

There were plenty of legitimate arguments they all could have used to get rid of Omarosa, if only they'd all stuck together and presented them in succession; She constantly interrupted and was disruptive in the concept meeting, and was insubordinate and disrespectful of the project manager. Then when she was given her way and sent to shop for dresses, she purposely made constant calls asking for direction that she didn't need just to thumb her nose at La Toya. (contrast that with her failure to communicate that she'd chosen Spiderman to the shoppers last week)Brande and Claudia had the right idea in their aside to say that perhaps she was on too soon after losing Michael to defuse her ploy. Point out that leadership means listening and not dominating every word that's spoken. Top that off with comparing the presence/absence of negativity and tension when she was there and then gone and they might have gotten her out.

AND, those who say Trump won't fire her right away are probably still right, because this is not about fair and rational, it's about who creates drama.

Also, La Toya's publicly stating that O. likely pulled the plug on her fiancee was WAY out of line.

[kjgriffy]

Omarosa - 'doing Passions' is not one episode in 2004 playing yourself because NBC wants some cross-marketing.


The thing with Trump is he wants someone as a winner that he can market in a means to better self-promote himself. Everything is "look how big they have become since winning CA". That is all Trump cares about. So basically cross off about eight of the them for limited name recognition or overall flakiness or issues like Baldwin's tax problems.

Omarosa will go out about 5th or 6th in my opinion. Trump will keep her as long as possible for the drama/ratings but he won't take her close to the final four because of the above.

[Drapers4thWife]

I don't anything about Omarosa's actual relationship with Michael Clarke Duncan, but I was thoroughly creeped out by the way she talks about him as if reading from a press release. "My late fiancee, Michael Clarke Duncan, who was an Oscar nominee for The Green Mile..." And yes, that fake crying was ridiculous.

[UsernameFatigue]

I wish that LaToya had said the real reason Trump would not have fired The Witch - because she is good for ratings. I'm sure it is what everyone knows but no one had the balls to say. And I agree with the poster who said O is a psychopath.

[BW Manilowe]

I think Omarosa is psychopath. She is devoid of any ability for empathy and believes she's smarter and better than anyone. She can't actually feel remorse but has become an expert in faking it. A Witch is a good description.

Donald Trump is a huge fan. He admires her ability to stir shit up and be cruel to others. He enjoys watching it like he'd enjoy as a kid watching a neighbourhood kid pull wings off flies. That's because the Don, the Birther, Tea Bagger, whack job arrogant asshole that he is, gets off on watching someone more evil and callous than he is do their stuff.

So I too have doubts she would have been fired. DT can say he would have, but there is no telling what would go down after he had Dennis, and LaToya with her in the boardroom and after he worked on goading Dennis and La Toya with gotcha questions, watching Omarosa break down again, etc... Too bad we can't dial up and watch the alternate universe's version!

Having read the definitions/descriptions of both, I think she might be closer to a "sociopath" than a "psychopath". I also agree that, even though he said he would fire her if LaToya had brought Omarosa into the Boardroom, he very likely would've found a way/reason to fire anyone/everyone *but* her when it boiled right down to it. Under those circumstances, I think LaToya basically did the only thing that would get her out of Omarosa's line of fire since she was obviously staying: Knowing that the Project Managers of failed tasks are more likely to be fired, she basically fell on the sword.

[Kromm]

LaToya - dumbest move ever!

How so?

Trump was never going to fire Omarosa. LaToya is 100% right about that, even though Trump is a big steaming piece of shit liar who will claim, when its convenient to try and justify his actions, that he would have.

Omarosa was never going. LaToya likely knew she was going no matter what. She brought two others, knowing Trump would never fire Omorosa, on some slim chance it might give Trumpet more targets, but all the while knowing the moment she heard the team lost that she was doomed.

I say Bravo!, LaToya. I haven't had much use for you, even on this show, but you did as good as possible in the shitty no-win setup. Imagine going in front of Trump in this scenario to be like the Kobayashi Maru test in Star Trek, except there's no way to hack the computer to cheat. That's what LaToya was facing.

Let me also say that I was really surprised that the editors (and consequently Burnett and Trump) allowed a few of the celeb hamsters to outright state that Trump "did what he does" and put them in a no-win scenario when asking them about the weakest player. Of course he does that, but usually the show doesn't air the part where people grumble about it.

Getting back to the Omarosa situation though, I really do find myself wondering if LaToya actually said the REAL reason she didn't bring Omarosa back, and it just got edited out. Or if she's savy enough to know the real reason would never be aired, so she never said it out loud--not that Trump was "buying" Omarosa's sob-story, but that everyone involved knew that Omarosa is a drama magnet and so they weren't going to ditch her a mere three episodes in, no matter what. Saying that would never get to air, so either she did (in addition to the stuff about Trump "buying" the sob story) and it indeed got yanked, or she didn't, because she knew it WOULD be yanked. The disingenuousness of the Trumps (and even their cohort Arsenio), acting like they couldn't comprehend why someone wouldn't bring Omarosa back, and adding onto it an obvious lie that she probably would have been fired, is in its way just as sickening as Omarosa using MCD the way she has.

Edited by Kromm, Mar 18, 2013 @ 4:25 AM.

[anonymiss]

It's hard to fault someone for being so stupid so I just will have to feel sorry for LaToya. But I really hated her stupidity for what it means: having to see that disgusting she-devil continue.

Even if she was correct about Trump falling for O's lies, she is truly a fool and coward for choosing two random substitutes instead. She instantly regretted it but tried to cover it up with false bravado and conviction, and admitted as much when she said: "I was hoping you would ask me again and you started to but you didn't."

If anything, she should have chosen O and Claudia. Claudia would have diffused any argument O tried to make and it would have been 2 against 1 in LaToya's favour.

Edited by anonymiss, Mar 18, 2013 @ 4:37 AM.

[mertensia]

LaToya knew that barring Omarosa walking out she was toast so she decided to go out on her terms. Good for her.

Loved Lil Jon trying to be inconspicuous when Omarosa and LaToya went at it.

Why tie in Crystal Light to soap operas? Is it the demographics who are most likely to use Crystal Light?

[OlfinBedwere]

What do you suppose the chances are that after La Toya was dropped off by the taxi, she immediately called Star Jones and apologised for accusing her of having been the Queen Bitch of the Universe when they were on the show together?

I actually think that if Omarosa had been brought back into the boardroom and tried to play the sympathy card yet again, Trump would have gotten fed up and fired her. But if there's one thing Omarosa's good at, it's reading people, so I doubt she'd have tried to do that again, and regardless of whether Brande/Dennis/whoever backed up La Toya in the boardroom, Trump would have fired her anyway for not speaking up for herself as well as Omarosa or somesuch.

The actual risk for Omarosa as I see it is that she may actually have peaked too early. In just three episodes she's re-enacted her feud with Piers Morgan, arguably gotten the sole previous winner in the cast fired, won as project manager, and milked the whole Michael Clarke Duncan thing for as much as it's worth. Now she's going to have to walk a very fine line between doing something controversial enough for Trump to keep her around, and doing something so awful that Trump would have no choice whatsoever but to fire her.

[LennieB]

According to this NBC release, we'll hear from these sponsors (Kraft owns Crystal Light):

NEW YORK - February 19, 2013 - Donald J. Trump and Mark Burnett have partnered with some of the world's most prominent and recognizable brands for NBC's "All-Star Celebrity Apprentice," premiering Sunday, March 3 (9-11 p.m. ET).

Continuing to revolutionize brand integration on television, "All-Star Celebrity Apprentice" welcomes world-class brands to its All-Star season, including: Australian Gold, Farouk Hair Systems' Chi and BioSilk products, Foxwoods Resorts, Kraft, LG Electronics, South African Tourism Board and Walgreens.

Maybe DT likes soap operas and wants to be part of their renaisssance.

It's too bad no task manager has brought Omarosa back to the Boardroom because BR visits add up to one's detriment. And Trump's bluff needs to be called.

Edited by LennieB, Mar 18, 2013 @ 7:25 AM.

[Crucial]

LaToya was history as soon as her team lost. There was no way Omarosa was going to be fired. She still has some more drama left to create. I was shocked LaToya didn't bring her back but at least Omarosa didn't get the last word in and have that irritating smirk while LaToya went to the elevator. The one thing I didn't like that LaToya did was talk about Omarosa pulling the plug on Michael. I get you don't like her and have plenty of reason to not like her but she didn't need to go there about Michael. At least think of how that would make his family feel when those remarks are said.

Edited by Crucial, Mar 18, 2013 @ 7:42 AM.

[ghoulina]

Ok, either Latoya is the biggest idiot alive, or this show is more fake than I thought. I seriously do not understand her not bringing Omarosa back. Whether she thought Trump would fire her or not, bringing Brande didn't HELP her any. Latoya would have had a better chance surviving if Omarosa was there, than if Brande was there. Brande had NO reason to be fired. Honestly, I don't think they lost the task because of Omarosa - but Trump doesn't ALWAYS fire just based on the task. And since Omarosa brings so much disunity to the team, and her being gone COULD have harmed them - I can see a basis for her being fired. It's definitely possible she's being kept around for ratings. But what could it HURT to bring her back? I just didn't get it at all.

I really don't understand why Omarosa needed to leave anyhow. Did she in someway prevent this tape from being released? Or was it just so she could listen to it? I'm still not 100% on what her reasoning was. I think if someone bails out when they didn't have a prior commitment, or it's not a TRUE emergency, then that should be taken into account.

I know she makes good tv, but I don't know how much I can take. She is beyond fake - she can go from zero to crying and back again in 60 seconds, complete w/ wiping away fake tears. She never lets anyone speak. She's just ridiculous to work with. It's sad when 10 minutes into a task a team is already thinking about who would go in the boardroom. How can you work like that???

As for the other team - glad they won. I liked theirs best. Baldwin was lucky he had all that talent on his team - especially Penn. His idea was perfect! All Baldwin did was stand around micro-managing people who already knew what they were doing, and misuse air quotes. If Plan B loses soon, I hope he goes.

Oh, and does anyone else think it seems like Trump intentionally sets Gary's team up to rip on him EVERY.SINGLE. TIME??? And then he jumps in - "I love Gary!". It gets old.