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[garden]

The Women Tell All episode

[LadyJaney]

Just want to say that I was all fine and good until they did the photo memorial to the producer's doggie at the very end. Then I was a tearful, blubbering mess. Rest in peace, Magic. You looked like a real sweetie!

Will process all the crazy-pants stuff at WTA and get back to you on that shortly...

Edited by LadyJaney, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:08 PM.

[over30patheticgroupie]

Sean has a toddler hairstyle, from the side his hair looked like a little boy's.

I loved seeing him squirm with AshLee and I do believe her, I'm sure he said things to her he doesn't want to be public knowledge.

Puhleeeez, Sarah is still crying over him.

KCB, she has got to regret this season. She was totally ignored on this show tonight too.

Des as Bachelorette? The way Chris Harrison kept saying how beloved she was I assume he was pushing that agenda.

[superpole2000]

Sarah's constant self pity is really unattractive. AshLee's attempt to call out Sean on something he may or may not have said seemed petty and pointless. Tiera's "No comment!" response to Chris' "When did you get engaged?" question was very strange. The bloopers were probably the best part, although I'm pretty sick of the Sean with his shirt off theme. Maybe on the next season of The Bachelorette the lead will keep taking off her top too.

[garden]

I thought that this show was incredibly biased. I'm not crazy about Tierra, but some of the women did gang up on her during the season, and AshLee was quite nasty to her the first night.

I'm surprised that the audience members can look themselves in the mirror. I can't believe that everyone of them booed -- loudly and rudely -- when Tierra's name was first mentioned. I can't believe that not a single member of the audience did not think she was so evil that they had to boo.

Why did AshLee think it was so horrible of TIerra to accuse her of lying, yet found it quite acceptable to repeatedly accuse Sean of the same thing?

Lesley was so intense in her dislike of Tierra that she insulted herself. She said that Tierra's sparkle was dim the first night and then grew dimmer. Yet Sean gave Tierra the first impression rose. So evidently Lesley was even dimmer than "dim". I'm surprised she had the nerve to say that, especially since she wasn't even one of the 12 women who got a rose before the ceremony that first night. Tonight she sat there self-righteously rolling her eyes at Tierra's every sentence.

I'm still confused: what did Tierra actually do to these women that was so awful? Even tonight, nobody could verbalize anything.

I think this is a pretty mean group. Recall how many of them also thought Amanda was so awful. About 8 or 10 of them criticized her on Night 2.

ETA: Oh, I forgot to mention how mean-spirited I think Chris is. In my whole life I have never heard anyone ask an engaged person if the engagement was real. His question was intended to reflect poorly on Tierra, but it just reflected poorly on him.

Edited by garden, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:23 PM.

[fionab]

LOVED the outtake moments - both the bloopers and the sneaky 'off camera' moments from the WTA- nice work editors!

Why am I not surprised Tierra was a teen pageant queen?

Edited by fionab, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:15 PM.

[jopatura]

The doggie montage was totally sad! I always watch with my puppy and I was hugging him extra hard at the end of that.

Sean was definitely lying to Ashlee in regards to what was said. He looked like there was an infinite number of places he'd rather be and his eyes were rolling all over his head in attempt to deflect some of the lying. I do believe she's over him -- I'd imagine a week or two out of that situation and your adrenaline gets back to normal and you're okay.

I felt bad for Sarah, but she seems to be the type to take every relationship out of context and blame everything on her lack of an arm. I worry for the guy that ends up with her one day.

And Tierra? Eh, that wasn't as crazy as I was hoping for. She was definitely doing Spin Damage 101 out there tonight. Which goes to show you she knew how wrong she acted this season, despite her arguments otherwise.

[welsch515]

KCB wasn't the only woman whom Chris Harrison ignored, and who didn't speak up herself. Why did the producers even invite half these women to attend this special?

For the most part, the Tierra segment reaffirmed my thoughts about her: that she is a crazy, awful woman. But at one point, Chris was joking with her about something and she flashed a big grin, and I thought to myself, "Wow, she's actually kind of cute at this moment!" I can see how Sean could have been hoodwinked by her.

[jlc1967]

Ugh, two hours of my life lost. These people are morons.

Is AshLee actually cuckoo? I know the lead ends up saying things that the contestants misinterpret, but her insistence that he said something as blatant as "there is nothing between me and the other two" was sort of bizarre. I'm not a Sean fan, but it's hard for me to believe he said that.

And yes, Tierra's "no comment" response about her engagement was ... odd. My first thought was that she was actually engaged or with that guy while she was on the show, a la Wes from Jillian's season, but when Chris H mentioned the twitteratti assumption that she is faking it, well, that makes sense to me too.

Edited by jlc1967, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:26 PM.

[Firthient]

What a bunch of bitter Bettys! None of them stood a chance. AshLee and Robyn, especially, need to take several seats. All they had on Tierra was she wouldn't say "good morning". The show is called "The Bachelor" not "The Bachelor Best Friends". I think Ashlee was lying. Seemed like she was trying to drive a wedge between Sean and his lady and make herself feel better.

[JenE4]

Did anyone else notice the tweet from Fleiss at the end saying that the letter in the FRC will cause a chain reaction all the way to the live after the final rosé? It's probably an exaggeration, but they didn't ask Sean if he's engaged/happy in love and all that, so all signs are pointing that he's not. Although I was also struck my how smiley and sweet Des and Sean were to each other, and she smiling right along that he made the best decision for both of them. I'm really starting to think the letter is from Des and he didn't propose to Catherine or Lindsay and instead started dating Des. She also got the final interview. Sean "should have" spoken to Des first and then to AshLee, so Des is either being set up for Bachelorette or as the writer of the letter...possibly both.

I knew Sean giving Sarah a "special" send off before the RC was going to lead to problems with the other girls expecting the same because they "mean more"--case in point: AshLee. What was she saying Sean should have checked on her? Before he sent her home or after they got home? She seemed a bit delusional about her importance to him, so I don't really believe he said what she thinks he said. I'd think she twisted something he did say in her mind, trying to attach meaning to everything.

Speaking about delusional... Loving how Tierra came out immediately talking about the joy she exudes that other people can't handle and are jealous of ever since she was Little Miss Nevada. Ah, that was priceless! But, wow, talk about SPARKLE! Her ring put the complimentary Neil Lane ring the FC gets to shame! I kind of loved how she was flipping her hair and all of the wide left-hand gestures towards the girls showing off that ring to them! Can't control her eyebrow. Cant control her sparkle. Can't control her left hand with that honkin' sparkly ring!!

[daniella1]

I don't believe Ashlee's claim that Sean said told her he had no feelings for the others. It makes no sense that he would say that to her when he in fact had the least amount of feelings for her out of the final 3. I think that's probably what she wanted to hear and what she chose to hear, and now is making this claim in order in order to not look as crazy or desperate as she seemed on the show.

[welsch515]

What was she saying Sean should have checked on her?

The way Ashlee worded that also confused me. Sean wasn't a "Southern gentleman" because he didn't "check on" Ashlee, even though previous Bachelors have "checked on" women who they have eliminated (or decided to eliminate). What does she mean by that?

[jopatura]

The way Ashlee worded that also confused me. Sean wasn't a "Southern gentleman" because he didn't "check on" Ashlee, even though previous Bachelors have "checked on" women who they have eliminated (or decided to eliminate). What does she mean by that?

I took it to mean Ashlee was in Thailand for another day or two and she expected Sean to "check in on her" before she left back for the States after she was eliminated. But I'm not sure Fleiss and Co. would have allowed that or even told Sean where she was to prevent any drama or hookups from happening off camera.

[lids]

So much crazy in this one. ABC should have promoted this episode way more.

The situation with Tierra and how she insists that she just doesn't know how to act around a bunch of women reminds me of the scene in Pride in Prejudice where Darcy says that he's not cold or rude like people think he is, he just doesn't know how to be social with people. And Elizabeth says that nobody is born knowing how to socialize and be friendly with others. We all have to learn it and it's awkward at first but we do it anyway because we care about making other people feel comfortable. Tierra needs to learn this. It's ok to be socially awkward. It is not ok for her to realize she is socially awkward and expect everybody to just give her a pass because she doesn't want to try. Now I wish we would have gotten a hometown date cause her family sounds Honey BooBoo-ish.

AshLee, Ashley, Ashlei (shakes my head). She had me until she went with the "remember you said this?" Nobody cares. If she wasn't so hung up on him, she wouldn't care. I assumed what they were trying to get at was that Sean was drunk in the Fantasy Suite and said some things that he couldn't remember. Whatever. What's said in the Fantasy Suite stays there. She should have set her bullpuckie meter on high before she went in there. But yeah, he totally said it. And he probably did try to co-op her creepy adopto-Dad's line about telling her he loved her everyday. That's kind of wrong, but the whole situation is wrong. I wonder if it is too late for Des' brother to be adopted into AshLee's family. She needs some protective tough love.

I wonder why the producers try to make it seems like Sean doesn't hear anything that's going on because he's backstage. I realized that Sean must have heard what AshLee said when she was in the hot seat because AshLee asked him, "Why did you make me go through the rose ceremony? Why didn't you just send me home when you knew?" And Sean responded, "I remember from Emily's season she would tell me that she couldn't wait to show me stuff in Dallas." He was pretty much commenting on something AshLee had said in the hot seat about how Sean told her she would love his sister. So if he hears everything, why do they pretend like he doesn't know what he's walking into?

[welsch515]

Well, I think that expectation of a "check in" after an elimination to achieve some kind of closure is silly. My understanding is that after every rose ceremony, whether it's in the US or abroad, the eliminated woman or women don't fly home immediately -- they are holed up in a hotel for at least a few days. Why stop production for some off-camera closure? The Bachelor (not to mention the remaining contestants and the dozens of crew members) need to move on with the show.

[Vexer]

I was totally WTF with AshLee tonight on many fronts. The "you should have checked in on me" thing - umm, what? When? Why? I don't understand at all. And she really threw him under the bus with her comment that he didn't feel anything for the other women. That is SO obviously not true (that he didn't feel anything), obviously by his interactions with Cath and Lindsay but why on earth would he say that? Even in the fantasy suite where things are "private"? I agree that he may have said something that still implied she was #1 (which wasn't right and his lame excuses for why he was doing that wer just that - LAME!) but that she heard what she wanted to hear and not what was really being said.

Why on EARTH were most of those women even there? Besides Des (America's Sweetheart - but I do love her and think she is gorgeous with the new hair!!), Insecure Sarah (did you know she had one arm?!?!?!?!), CrayCray AshLee (whose new hair color does her no favors) and the occasional shot of Lesley M (who also was back to looking much prettier with more natural make up) for comic relief and of course Tierrable, they really spoke to no one else. Jackie looked better with the red hair tho.

As soon as they started with the puppy pics I was like "OH no. Don't tell me the puppy died." Then the puppy died. I yelled at the TV "FUCK YOU BACHELOR!!!" ugh.

[Wibnix]

Why do I watch this shit? I can't believe more was not made of Tierra's faking of the stair fall incident and the Polar Plunge exaggeration. Why was that glossed over?

AshLee just would not let it go. I wasn't sure who to believe but she rocked the crazy eyes. KCB was not allowed to talk. I would have been too embarrassed to show up! Agree about Sean's toddler hairdo. He grosses me out. I hate blonde haired blue-eyed men (thanks to a lunatic ex, but still).

Looking forward to the ending of what seemed liked the longest Bachelor season EVER.

[Dormouse]

Sarah needs to let go of the whole "one arm" thing. I mean, I'm sure it's caused problems, and I bet it's put off plenty of men from asking her out, but really? It's the ONLY reason you are not married? Ok, I am not missing any limbs and I've been broken up with plenty of times. I guess I just... suck, then? And the 23 other women Sean didn't choose just also sucked? It couldn't possibly be that sometimes people just don't connect equally? Is 26 really so old not to be married? Where is she from?

I'm sad Desiree forgot to put on her dress over that foundation garment :-(

[over30patheticgroupie]

Sean was drunk in the Fantasy Suite and said some things that he couldn't remember

HA! I didn't think of that. I think he will expect his woman to be very close with his family, if the one he chooses isn't in to that I would run the other way! AshLee claims he told her "you would be best friends with my sister". I have read his sister's blog and I think his sister and mom have a lot of pull with him and they are kind of prissy.

[LakeGal]

AshLee is kind of scary. I don't believe Sean told her what she said. I believe she heard what she wanted to hear and has convinced herself he did say that. She probably asked him something and he gave a vague answer that she took as she wanted to. She came off as a woman scorned that now wants to hurt his present relationship because she can't have him. I think he is thanking his lucky stars he got away from her. I always thought she was too serious and Sean made it known that they didn't laugh together like he did with Catherine and Lindsay.

I also think they are pushing Des as the next Bachelorette.

[welsch515]

Lesley M (who also was back to looking much prettier with more natural make up)

I'm a guy, and I don't know anything about makeup, but I did notice that most of the women there looked better than how I remembered them. I assumed that ABC offered hair, makeup, and wardrobe assistance to all of them for this special. And FWIW, I think Ashlee looks much worse as a blonde, and Des looks much better without the bangs.

Edited by welsch515, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:57 PM.

[azure4]

Sarah saying men break up with her because of her one arm would be like Robin or (can't think of her name) saying it was because they're black. Guys know about your arm and race when they first date you. Sarah, sorry, but sometimes it's just not there.

At first I thought Tierra's sudden engagement was phoney, but if so I think someone (in her town) would bust her for lying and tell the media.

Edited by azure4, Mar 4, 2013 @ 11:01 PM.

[LadyJaney]

The doggie montage was totally sad! I always watch with my puppy and I was hugging him extra hard at the end of that.

Yes, it was, made me cry as I was watching. I'm guessing he hung out on set a lot and was part of the Bachelor behind the scenes family. So sad, he was adorable!

My opinions of the show: sometimes these women act like they are still in high school. While I think Tierra is weird and a bit crazy-pants, I also agree that ther was some "ganging up". Most of these women had a common bond...and it wasn't necessarily Sean. It was hating Tierra. To hang in a group and talk about her and let it fester just fuels the fire and probably created even more animosity on her end. It must have been their daily thing to complain about "OMG teh Evil" Tierra. The best way to handle someone like that is to ignore them right back and go on with your life.

I'm guessing that they knew that she would not say good morning to them early on, so instead of ignoring her ways and not bothering, they likely went out of their way to say it so that they could gripe all day that "OMG she didn't say good morning to me!". No doubts Tierra was socially off and not very nice, but the group as a whole handled the matter poorly. Haven't they seen enough seasons to know the "mean girl" will eventually bury herself...even if the guy picks her like stupid Ben did his season.

I do feel for Sarah and I can imagine it has to be hard when you can't find love and you fear it is because of something physical that you cannot help. But she is very sweet and very pretty, she has so many good things about her that I think make her who she is, and not about her having one arm. Personally I think it is just that she comes of very young when she speaks. She kind of has that "Kim Kardashian voice" that sounds very young and does a lot of up-speak when she talks. It makes her sound like a teenager, even though she isn't. Usually stuff like that leaves you as you mature (except for maybe Kim K), so I think in time she wiill seem more ready to settle down when the right man comes along.

AshLee seemed very angry and bitchy and maybe a little vengeful when she came there. I still don't know who was telling the truth, but I tend to think Sean was in this case. I'm sure he said enough to make her feel that way, but I don't think he said exactly what she claims he did. Boy, did she give him glares though. I think she was pissed and wanted to at the very least plant doubts in people's minds about the kind of guy he is. Mission accomplished, I suppose? Dirty move if she did make it up though...

Still think Des and Leslie were the nicest and funniest. I wouldn't mind either as the B'ette. Especially Des. Whomever of the F2 that doesn't get picked would be too boring/young-looking to be the next B'ette, IMO. Poor KCB, I just hope she finds love somewhere...and not on Bachelor Pad!

[azure4]

I hope Des isn’t the next b’ette. Sick of the recycles.

Actually, in the preview of the finale when Chris hands Sean a letter, I’m thinking it’s from Des. They’re making it seem like it’ from one of the F2, but I don’t think so.

[TrulyOutrageous]

Was it just my TV or did Tierra get her forehead dent filled in?

[cupFloweR]

AshLee is kind of scary. I don't believe Sean told her what she said. I believe she heard what she wanted to hear and has convinced herself he did say that. She probably asked him something and he gave a vague answer that she took as she wanted to. She came off as a woman scorned that now wants to hurt his present relationship because she can't have him.

I agree. I think Sean was telling the truth in this situation and Ashlee came off as crazy/scary. Especially because she started off with the whole "you didn't check on me" thing. Which I don't get still...did she snub him when he let her go because she was trying to act all dramatic so he would chase after her or something?

Anyways, I think Sean may have said something along the lines of, "Don't worry about them right now, they don't matter, you matter" because really, what else do you say to someone that you are probably making out with/hooking up with? That doesn't mean he no longer has feelings for the other women, it just means IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME I AM WITH YOU AND DO NOT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE OTHER WOMEN. That is just my opinion of what happened though.

She also said something about how when she told him she loved him, he said something like, "I will tell you the same every day" or something. Again, if he did say that, he was probably talking about IF he chose her. I mean really, how awkward is it when someone tells you they love you and you aren't allowed to/don't want to say it back? I've said some weird things in that situation too, when someone told me he loved me and I was like ummm I don't love you but I didn't want to say that.

I'm really not rooting for either girl in the end.

[Firthient]

AshLee seemed very angry and bitchy and maybe a little vengeful when she came there.

She most definitely had an axe to grind. Based on her behavior at the WTA, I think she lost a lot of sympathy and goodwill. Clearly, Sean felt more for the other two ladies, because they are his F2. After seeing some of the ladies Sean had to choose from, I am at a loss as to how he ended up with Catherine and Lindsay. I have a feeling his pick is going to go over like a lead balloon. But as my grandmother used to say, "there's no accounting for taste."

[gradtg]

Gah, Ashley is cray-cray. For reals. I have no doubt that Sean said something where she heard what she wanted to hear and turned it into whatever. But I don't think he said what she accused him of either. She really did not come off well tonight. Vindicive, petty, mean, and bitchy. Really hot though. I look forward to seeing her on The Bachelor Pad hooking up with Graham or Kalon or someone from Emily's season. Doug? They could be damaged together and discuss their horrible foster care experiences.

And soooo much eye-rolling and mean-girl significant looks at each other amongst the women tonight re: Tierra. I mean, Tierra is no prize. She seems like a pill and hard to live with, but that doesn't mean that she wasn't the target of some classic mean-girl tactics starting from the very first night when AshLee started in with the rude remarks. I know I sure wouldn't try to be friendly with and get to know a bunch of girls that were making catty and rude remarks to and about me. There was definitely, no matter what anyone else wants to claim, a herd mentality surrounding her. She definitely brought some of it on herself, but they all fed off each other. I know from experience that once you're the target of that there's really nothing you can do, which is what Tierra was poorly trying to say tonight. You're in a no-win situation where anything you say will be taken in the worst possible way, so why even try. Not to defend her too much, but Tierra does seem to have a problem verbalizing herself well. And I have to admire her somewhat. I would have completely broken down in her position. I thought even Chris was remarkably rude to her. I'm still not even sure what she did besides saying stupid stuff like about her sparkle, not saying good morning to the others (where it is certainly possilbe that they were doing it on purpose to have something to bitch about), and the bit where she said the cookies tasted like shit. I would be on the other girls' side more if even one of the could tell me what was so awful about her more specifically. Talk about her fake fall on the stairs or her "hypothermia" or anything more conrete than "we hate her." I mean, I know there was that girl who knew her in high school who said she's horrible, and I have no doubt that she is a difficult person to be around, but that doesn't make high school pack behavior justified. At some point you should act like a grown up and ignore the toddler behavior. You will always have people in life that you have to work with or be around (future family members, etc.) that you don't like and have to learn to deal with.

Also, will you also all laugh at me if I confess that I, too, have a bit of a rouge eyebrow? I mean, I have one eyebrow that I can put up and down by itself and of course I can do both up and both down together, but my left eyebrow? I catch him going up at the weirdest times when I'm talking and I cannot make it go up and down if I try. Anyway, I understood what she was trying to say about how you make faces sometimes when you're talking and you're not always aware of what they look like or how they come across. I know I have to be really careful because sometimes I make what looks like a stank face or a haughty face and it's really not what I mean.

I know it's an unpopular opinion here, but I have come to Haaaaate Lesley from DC. She is so pretentious and self-important and with all the eye rolling and faces and bitchy remarks. Can. Not. Stand. She's definitely one of the ring leaders in the We Hate Tierra brigade. She's not nearly as cute or as smart as she thinks she is. Also, her roots looked really bad.

[Macthekat]

Was it just my TV or did Tierra get her forehead dent filled in?

My tv is like yours then, because I kept looking for it, too, but didn't see it. Would a shot of botox make it disappear?

Sarah needs to let go of the whole "one arm" thing. I mean, I'm sure it's caused problems, and I bet it's put off plenty of men from asking her out, but really? It's the ONLY reason you are not married? Ok, I am not missing any limbs and I've been broken up with plenty of times.

Amen. DH was not watching it, but sitting in the same room and I told him we all have been dumped and we're all told the very same things she's been told but she's the one who makes it all about her one arm. He agreed. She just can't wrap her head around the possibility that she can be dumped because they just didn't click.

Hard to not notice AshLee had her girls hanging out, for all to see, like she did in her RC. Good grief she's BSC. Sean knows he dodged a bullet there.