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[TWoP Tennison]

When Mary Margaret learns of Cora and Regina's plan for the dagger, she resolves to find it first; Mr. Gold continues his search for Bae; the Blue Fairy offers Snow White an enchantment to save her mother.

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Edited by TWoP Tennison, Mar 4, 2013 @ 9:52 AM.

[dizzyd]

Awww Mrs. Patmore. That was actually a good episode.

[prodigalchicken]

So, Neal is either a lost boy or Peter Pan. Which one?

[Chicken Wing]

Regina realizes that Cora set her up to rescue young Snow White from that spooked horse all those years ago. Neat.

Except ... didn't she already figure that out in "The Stable Boy"?

[MisterGlass]

Peter Pan, I imagine. Is his fiancee the princess Peter rescued? I rolled my eyes a little at his engagement as I think things were complicated enough already.

Except ... didn't she already figure that out in "The Stable Boy"?

Agreed. Though the murder of Snow's mother is new, and believable from Cora.

[mybearfoofoo]

So, Neal is either a lost boy or Peter Pan. Which one?

Definitely Peter. He knows how to captain Hook's ship!

[ParadoxLost]

I'm bugged by two things.

First, why is Regina worried about Henry not forgiving her for causing his grandparent's deaths when she just helped her mom toss a woman to her death. That ship kind of sailed. Henry is going to have a problem with that.

Second, is Bae/Neal the guy from the beginning of the season? I thought he was. It seemed like there was more fairy tale stuff around his apartment then. I got the impression that he was waiting for Pinocchio to tell him that the curse was broken and he could reunite with Emma. Did I misinterpret everything leading up to the last couple episodes involving Bae or did they decide to go another way with the fiancee, etc.?

Edited by ParadoxLost, Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:07 PM.

[sienna gold]

They killed Mrs. Patmore! (grrrr!)

I think, Chicken Wing it's not so much that Cora set her up, it's that Cora actually poisoned the queen (so taking it THAT far to make Regina queen) that caused her to pause. Certainly made me pause.

So we've got confirmation (which was a duh) that Cora's the miller's daughter. So she's the miller's daughter as well as the Queen of hearts. Back-stories on both of those stories would be great, Show. Like. Now.

Everytime I see Bailey Madison, I swear they shrank Ginnifer down.

I'm going to say that Bae was a Lost Boy. I don't think they would have Peter-Panned him. (only because with the finance, she TOTALLY could have been Wendy).

The one I feel sorry for the most is Hook. Another episode, another knockout.

[HybridIce]

Cora, you cold heart, manipulative, backstabbing bitch. I have to give credit where credit is due, woman sees something and she stops at nothing to achieve it. I must say it's impressive to see both Regina and most noticeably Cora, as smart females who seems to be pulling the strings. Mostly it's a male figure whose the evil one, but Cora literally has every one under her thumb from the start.

Did anyone else get a sisterly vibe, a flicker or jealously, when Cora was talking to the dead queen? It didn't help matters that she kissed her fingers to lips after the speech. Please, no more family relations! It's bad enough hearing the breakdown last episode on the family tree. Lets not add Regina as the cousin/step-mother/whatever the fuck. Hell, lets add her as Hook's long lost sister while we're at it.

I must say, Snow's reaction is spot on. People say things in a fit of anger, to find out that her mother didn't need to die, but did because Cora wanted her daughter to be queen, and after playing good girl for so long because she believed that her mother was just misfortune enough to catch a deadly illness, I would jump to the same conclusion. Everything she was built on was because it was her mother's dying wish when it didn't need to be.

Favorite line of the night:

Regina: I was always queen. It was you who added evil to it.

That whole scene between Snow and Regina was awesome.

[BryrRoseA]

Another Miller's daughter reference from Cora; she's got to be the one from the Rumplestiltskin story.

Seems to me like Cora was related to or had a significant history with Snow's mother beyond just her being queen. I seriously hope they're not related. I don't know how much more f'ed up I could take that family tree getting.

[Senna]

I burst out laughing every time Hook popped up to do something violent then promptly disappeared/got taken out. He was like a Whack-a-mole this episode.

It doesn't surprise me that Cora was behind Snow's mother's demise, though I wonder if her actions had a more personal nature. She talked about being the miller's daughter; I'm looking forward to that part of the story.

Where the heck was Snow's dad while her mom was dying? His absence really bugged me. Even if he was away on business or whatever, he should've been planning on being back by his daughter's big birthday bash, so he should've been there by the funeral at the least. The little we've seen of his character to this point has already made me not like him.

If Neal can sail a pirate ship and knows who Hook is, does that mean he met up with Millah as well at some point?

I figured Neal had a fiancee as soon as he said it was complicated. I wonder if she knows who he really is (I doubt it somehow).

[aquarian1]

Well, that's the first time I've seen Snow do something really studid. I can see trying to save Johanna, of course, but to just let Cora get the dagger? And why whould she think Cora wouldn't kill anyone anyway, just like she tossed Johanna out the window. Dumb, dumb, dumb! And the flashback didn't do anything to help explain it. (Although it did fill in a lot of information, in general).

Regarding the flashback, I wonder if Snow's mother was (is?) really dead or under a sleeping curse.

So it looks like Neal is also Peter Pan. I don't know why but that bugs me. Him being Baelfire didn't bother me, but for some reason this does. Some of it is, I think, that it makes him quite a bit older than Emma when they began dating. I know he was physically only a few years older than her at the time (or supposed to be), but in reality it would make him, what'd he say?, 200ish? years older - and dating a teenager?!? Ick! For some reason I can handle it when all parties are adults - even if Emma had been 22 it would be better. But that's not the only thing. Still trying to put my finger on it, though.

[kennyab]

Regina realizes that Cora set her up to rescue young Snow White from that spooked horse all those years ago. Neat.

Except ... didn't she already figure that out in "The Stable Boy"?

Cora denied it at the time. Now Regina confirmed it, placing it in the context of the larger plan.

[Writing Wrongs]

This episode upset more than any of them. I even got teary. I can't believe Snow was so stupid. I can't believe Regina just stands by and lets her mother do this crap. For a minute I thought Snow was gonna go desecrate Henry Sr.'s grave. I hope Snow kills Cora.

[My Way]

The one I feel sorry for the most is Hook. Another episode, another knockout.

But he was actually effective in this one! Go Hook.

WTF is Regina thinking right now? I really can't figure out that out. What precisely does she think Henry's reaction to all this is going to be? They spent all that time trying to build up Regina sympathy only to throw it away on her being so, so stupid.

Everybody on the show this episode made wrong decisions. Henry being rude to Emma, Gold being a jerk to Henry and telling Snow about the dagger (which is a shame, because it would otherwise be progress) but Snow and David looking for Gold's dagger-it was completely obvious they'd find it for Cora and then lose it, everything Regina did, etc..

I wanted more of the Bae/Henry/Emma stuff. I hope Emma doesn't listen to Mr. Gold about all that Henry will leave you. He'll calm down eventually (and Bae really should tell him to be nicer to Emma, because she has a damn good reason to be pissed). This show keeps zigging when I want them to zag. I did like the backstory but I'm glad the boob fairy was really Cora because I was thinking giving a candle to a child and telling them to murder someone to save their mother seemed to be pretty damn dark.

[brisbydog]

If Neal can sail a pirate ship and knows who Hook is, does that mean he met up with Millah as well at some point?

No, Milah died before Hook went to Neverland

[notwisconsin]

As to the "ik" factor. It's clear that Niel was 14 for 175 of those years. So when he met Emma, he was only 25 or so.

[bosawks]

I always get totally distracted by how awesome Snow looks in a beret.

[Dani-Ellie]

I seriously just cannot even. I'll try to make this coherent, but it might be hard, heh.

My poor babies! Henry's back to calling Emma by her name. I just want to give them both hugs and tell them to make up already because they're killing me here. Also, I am amused by the mental image of Hook's ship just chilling out in the harbor somewhere.

I had a literal gasp out loud moment during the Blue Fairy Cora reveal. I did not see that coming at all. Poor wee Snow.

The ending scene with Snow and Charming actually had me tearing up.

I'll probably have more comments later, once my heart starts beating at a normal rate again, haha.

[kennyab]

So it looks like Neal is also Peter Pan. I don't know why but that bugs me. Him being Baelfire didn't bother me, but for some reason this does. Some of it is, I think, that it makes him quite a bit older than Emma when they began dating. I know he was physically only a few years older than her at the time (or supposed to be), but in reality it would make him, what'd he say?, 200ish? years older - and dating a teenager?!? Ick! For some reason I can handle it when all parties are adults - even if Emma had been 22 it would be better. But that's not the only thing. Still trying to put my finger on it, though.

Eh, it's not just that he didn't age during that time, he didn't mature either. He didn't grow up. It's like a kid who was stuck in Storybrooke during the curse. Let's say he was 16 when the curse struck. That'd put him at 44-45 now (has Emma had another birthday?). But it wouldn't be creepy if he started dating a 16 year old from the outside world. Sure, he's existed much longer than she has, but he hasn't matured during that time. It's basically using the same reasoning on Neil. My reading is that time technically passed, but he didn't get any older, physically, cognitively, or emotionally.

[jessie09]

Favorite line of the night:

Regina: I was always queen. It was you who added evil to it.

That whole scene between Snow and Regina was awesome.

I loved that scene too. But no, Regina, you didn't become the Evil Queen because of her, that was all you.

Seems to me like Cora was related to or had a significant history with Snow's mother beyond just her being queen. I seriously hope they're not related. I don't know how much more f'ed up I could take that family tree getting.

So did I. Especially with her saying she was going to turn Snow's heart black. It seemed like she was doing that to get revenge on her.

[bahamarita]

usually, I adore the young Snow. In this episode? I wanted to smack the shit out of her. She just seemed whiny and needy and spoiled and no damn thank you.

Cora as the Blue Fairy? Nice fakeout. I didn't see that coming at all.

I really wish someone would figure out how to kill Cora or Regina or both. I am sick to death of both of them. But, then what? Guess I need to get over it.

Seems to me like Cora was related to or had a significant history with Snow's mother beyond just her being queen. I seriously hope they're not related. I don't know how much more f'ed up I could take that family tree getting.

So did I. Especially with her saying she was going to turn Snow's heart black. It seemed like she was doing that to get revenge on her.

I wonder if they're half sisters?

Edited by bahamarita, Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:28 PM.

[kennyab]

Emma's time with Snow in the Enchanted Forest definitely made an impact. I love that Emma told him that he has to start trusting his family, and that she included herself in that family (even if it was for the sake of expediency). Seeing Gold trying to be matchmaker cracked me up. And I loved the WTF look the Blue Fairy gave Snow outside of Gold's shop. Blue stared at Snow like the girl was totally mental.

[Chicken Wing]

I think, Chicken Wing it's not so much that Cora set her up, it's that Cora actually poisoned the queen (so taking it THAT far to make Regina queen) that caused her to pause. Certainly made me pause.

Yes, she took pause at the realization of how deep Cora's plan went, but with this new discovery about her killing Snow's mother, she connected the dots and then made a "Ohhhh..." brand-new epiphany that Cora must have been involved in Snow's horse incident. This should not be an epiphany now, regardless of learning this new larger context, because she already made that epiphany many years ago. Cora didn't confirm it at the time, but regardless, this should not have been a new realization for Regina tonight because she already realized it before. I don't know, it came off like the writers forgot that they already revealed this secret last year.

[thuganomics85]

Oh, Hook. Is there ever a moment where you're not getting your ass kicked? At least you actually hurt Rumpel this time, but still. You are a disgrace to pirates.

Wow, Snow just got played big time. Just gave Cora and Regina all that power and still couldn't save her friend. Failure. But it looks like this might cause Dark Snow to reappear, which I'm looking forward too.

Shut up, Henry. Quit being a dick to Emma. It's bad when I was actually cheering when Rumpel chewed you out.

The actress playing Young Snow White continues to be an eerie mini-Ginnifer Goodwin.

I miss my Red/Ruby.

Good episode, in that it looks like some crazy stuff will be going down. And someone will bite it next episode? I hope it's Cora.

Edited by thuganomics85, Mar 4, 2013 @ 12:32 AM.

[kennyab]

usually, I adore the young Snow. In this episode? I wanted to smack the shit out of her. She just seemed whiny and needy and spoiled and no damn thank you.

To be fair, that was pretty much the point. They needed to show that Snow wasn't always a perfect little flower. She was a bit of a brat until her mom set her straight, and she has the capability of making the wrong decision again. Well, she's made the wrong decision before in sparing Regina's life, but that was at least for the right reason. Now it looks like revenge is a good enough reason for her to mess up.

[Chicken Wing]

Shut up, Henry. Quit being a dick to Emma.

Seriously, at this point someone needs to smack him. Okay, your mother lied to you. You don't have the right to be so rude to her.

The actress playing Young Snow White continues to be an eerie mini-Ginnifer Goodwin.

Bailee Madison is totally starting to freak me out with it now, it's almost too good.

[aquarian1]

Eh, it's not just that he didn't age during that time, he didn't mature either. He didn't grow up. It's like a kid who was stuck in Storybrooke during the curse. Let's say he was 16 when the curse struck. That'd put him at 44-45 now (has Emma had another birthday?). But it wouldn't be creepy if he started dating a 16 year old from the outside world. Sure, he's existed much longer than she has, but he hasn't matured during that time. It's basically using the same reasoning on Neil. My reading is that time technically passed, but he didn't get any older, physically, cognitively, or emotionally.

I don't think it's the same. The people in Storeybrooke were in a curse induced haze. Them, I can believe not aging cognitively as well as physically. But Hook and Rumple are definitely 100s of years old so I think Neal is too. Just because he didn't physically age doesn't mean he didn't live and experience those 200-ish years, being aware of time passing, etc. The fact that he knows he's 200ish years old proves that. Same with Rumple and Hook.

Edited by aquarian1, Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:35 PM.

[stealinghome]

One of the best episodes in a while. Newsflash, writers: the show works best when you concentrate on the Charming family and don't try to pretend that Regina is some poor misunderstood victim.

BM was amazing tonight, seriously. Give that kid an Emmy. She was perfect and heartwrenching as Young Snow. GG was also very good as adult Snow tonight, although she had some line readings that were a little clunky. (Speaking of clunky: I loled at Charming's "Tell that to my head!")

Can we officially stop with the poor Regina she's just so hurt bullshit now? Woman is flat-out evil and doesn't give a damn. NO MORE REDEMPTION. I also actually guffawed at her "I'm not Evil, you called me that!" How delusional is she? Also, she's still officially misplaced her brain. Wake up, honey, your mom's interests aren't your own at ALL. My guess is that Cora wants to enact a new curse--one like Regina's--and give herself the perfect Stepford family in Regina and Henry, a family that won't believe her manipulation and lies but that will love her unconditionally like Snow loved her mom.

Cora literally could not get any more evil if she tried.

I thought they were going to say they couldn't bring Rumpel back to Storybrooke until Snow and Charming recovered the dagger. A little surprised that that's not the storyline.

This show's moral compass is so off. Pretty sure "I'm going to go after the woman who has systematically ruined my life and killed all the people I ever loved and who is plotting to murder my remaining family" is just basic self-protection and common sense.

Did anyone else get a sisterly vibe, a flicker or jealously, when Cora was talking to the dead queen? It didn't help matters that she kissed her fingers to lips after the speech. Please, no more family relations! It's bad enough hearing the breakdown last episode on the family tree. Lets not add Regina as the cousin/step-mother/whatever the fuck. Hell, lets add her as Hook's long lost sister while we're at it.

Oh, I got more creepily sexual vibe from her kissing her fingers and then pressing them to the Queen's lips. Then again, Cora is pretty inappropriate with family, so....

I did catch that Johanna spoke about a "confidant" of the Queen's...maybe that was Cora.

But Hook and Rumple are definitely 100s of years old so I think Neal is too. Just because he didn't physically age doesn't mean he didn't live and experience those 200-ish years, being aware of time passing, etc. The fact that he knows he's 200ish years old proves that. Same with Rumple and Hook.

But the Lost Boys never aged or matured cognitively. They stayed like 11 forever. So I don't see why Neal would be different.

Edited by stealinghome, Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:36 PM.

[Princess Aldrea]

I had a literal gasp out loud moment during the Blue Fairy Cora reveal. I did not see that coming at all. Poor wee Snow.

I wasn't all that surprised. "Healing magic is the darkest magic ever." "Don't tell anyone aobut this evil magic I, a being of the purest magic, am secretly giving you after a token resistance." "So you have to kill someone to save your mother. Choose wisely!"

It was frankly either that or else the Blue Fairy really IS evil.