4-15: "Going for the Gold" 2013.03.03
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 1:41 PM
The Peter/Eli scenes were also great - very touching.
I was happy to have an epi with little Kalinda and no kids. The writers wasted way to much time on Kalinda and her sick relationship with her ex. I've seen enough of Kalinda for awhile. As far as the kids go, I'd rather see more of Peter and Alicia than the kids with either of their parents.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 3:12 PM
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 3:32 PM
I disagree. I think it's the exact opposite--Alicia cares about how people feels and reacts to how everyone feels. In fact, she wants everyone to like her, which is impossible when you're in a leadership position. This is why she seemed wishy-washy with Cary, Diane, and even herself.
I agree that Alicia wants to be the "good guy" and have everyone like her, which is untenable when you're trying to please people with opposite agendas. But when she decides that she doesn't want/need someone to like her (like she apparently decided with Cary) she has a tendency to swing too far the other way. You can be the boss without being a cold bitch about it.
I do feel for Cary in these situations. Making Alicia his "boss" is just a massive slap in the face to him. "We're going to take away the prestigious and profitable promotion we promised you, give it to someone else then make them your boss." This just shows Diane and Will as being totally clueless about people, they should be much more savvy than that. You can't screw over your employees then rub salt into the wound and not expect some consequences. If you want your employees to behave professionally toward you, you have to behave professionally toward them and I don't see that happening with Diane and Will and all the other partners.
I loved the Eli and Elspeth heavy episode. I do really love Eli, though that might be a result of the joy I feel at having Alan Cumming on my TV, and Elspeth has charmed me. I am getting tired of the Peter/Alicia story line, though. I have very little patience for "will they won't they" story lines and this one has pretty much worn itself out. I would like them together as close friends (they seem very politically compatible and to genuinely care about each other) but I no longer care about their marriage. Just call it quits already.
I also find it silly that the two ADA's would be deciding who get's their civil legal work. Shouldn't they be, I don't know, prosecuting people? Isn't there a procurement or contracting department that makes those decisions (and saves the ADA's from the appearance of a conflict of interest) or wouldn't that be done by the state government? Do the ADAs also decide which office supply company to buy from?
Edited by Absurda, Mar 4, 2013 @ 3:54 PM.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 5:03 PM
Tonight's episode proved to me that Alicia is forever the politician's wife, by hook or by crook.
In a way, I'm rather relieved. At least this marks the end of "Alicia the Saint". And I find it interesting that for the first time, I sympathized more with Cary than I did with Alicia in one of their conflicts.
Edited by EEM65, Mar 4, 2013 @ 5:04 PM.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 6:08 PM
I feel like the Kings either can't or won't commit to any one story for Alicia's love life, and in trying to keep all the options open, they are making every one of them seem tired and stupid and tawdry and dull at the same time. In most shows, the "love life" arc wouldn't necessarily matter, but when you title a show "The Good Wife" and begin your main character's dramatic journey with her reaction to the discovery of her husband's infidelity in the public arena, that's a key through-line you can't simply leave endlessly undeveloped.
I am getting tired of the Peter/Alicia story line, though. I have very little patience for "will they won't they" story lines and this one has pretty much worn itself out.
I could get behind a Peter/Alicia as a sort of Bill/Hilary-esque story, where the high-powered husband cheats on the docile, background wife (not exactly Hilary 1.0, I know, but go with me), and then after she reinvents herself into a stronger, bolder power-holder in her own right, the two reform a new union based on mutual respect and admiration, along with life history, shared politics, and joint love for their children. I could also get behind Will/Alicia where the story is the "Good Wife", who always buried her own needs/desires in favor of living into social expectations, slowly comes to hate the facade and instead, in tiny little increments, grabs the one thing that she really, truly wants just for herself. And I could totally get behind "Alicia is Doing it For Herself" story, in which she flirts with going back to Peter, flirts with moving on to Will, and then finally decides she wants to strike out on her own in a brand new direction, with no backward-looking at all, just making a new life on her own terms and no one else's. The problem is that the seeds for ALL those stories are out there, nice and juicy and full of possibility, but for the life of me, I don't think they know which one they're telling, or they don't care, or they just don't want to actually tell a story, which is the most upsetting option of them all.
Because what I can't get behind are writers who play at telling all those stories, but never actually commit to any one of them, so everything we see is just a bunch of water-treading with random bits and pieces of every story sort of swirling around and conflicting with everything else we see.
I used to think the Kings did have a clear endgame for their character, and they were simply unfolding the cloth very, very slowly, which is fine. (More than fine!) Somewhere along the way, I lost that faith, and now it feels more like watching the last seasons of the X-Files, when you absolutely knew the writers had no plan, no plan to have a plan, no interest in a plan, just a desire to keep making as many more episodes as they could get paid for, without ever actually telling a real story, since that might require forethought and cognitive engagement.
Edited by Long Days Night, Mar 4, 2013 @ 9:23 PM.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 8:11 PM
Tonight's episode proved to me that Alicia is forever the politician's wife, by hook or by crook.
In the first season, I felt that was ultimately going to be the story. That it wouldn't necessarily be a story about a women kicking out her cheating husband but rather a woman admitting to herself how much she liked being a politician's wife. Or explore why women, especially this woman, end up staying. Then I thought I was perhaps wrong when they separated the two. However, once they started hooking up again, I'm not so sure any longer.
The Peter/Eli scenes were also great - very touching.
I love how the camera lingered on the shots of their faces when they told one another that they were missed.
Is Alicia contemplating getting back together with Peter, or is she just using him for sex?
I think she was just using him for sex. (And since that has been the case, I have no reason to believe that anything that transpired with Will had anything to do with the fact that she slept with Peter this episode.) At the same time, if I recall correctly, she did agree to the date with him so she may be willing to consider a reconciliation.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 8:22 PM
I loved the interaction between Peter/Eli. It was nice to see that these men appreciate each other. I liked the fact that Alicia also appreciated what Eli has to offered and made sure that Peter knew that.
I liked the fact that Elsbeth didn't give in to the AUSA's creepy sexual harassment and continued to be brilliant. Elsbeth shows what another showrunner I like calls "competence porn." Watching a character be good at what they do is gratifying for an audience.
I liked that Jackie showed some self-awareness.
I'm intrigued to see where things go between Diane and Alicia and Cary.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 9:42 PM
And where is the Alicia of last week who had complete consciousness of the screw job the other 4-years got, and her unearned promotion (whether because of Peter or Will, does it matter?). This week she shits on Cary. Whether she ate the hours or not; she shit on Cary.
And where is the Diane who used to like Cary, to everyone's dismay?
And where is the Will/Diana partners-on-the-same-page; now totally undermining each other - Diane: screw the 4-years! cut the hours! Will: you're doing great you 4-years! Go bill more hours for the drug dealer!
And where is the Alicia who normally and constantly ignores or insults Eli? Alicia: Peter you must call Eli right away - he's the wisest advisor in the world... I usually laugh at him or ignore him, but this week, really, you need him!
And once upon a time Eli was somewhat cool and had some self-confidence. Who was this man-child of this week? Has Alicia debased him so much that he, like Alicia, just simply lives for a sweet smile from Peter?
And since when are Diane and Peter friends? huh?
And I realized just how much I don't like Alicia when she was egging Peter on during the debate... she looked like nothing but an ambitious "good wife" who really doesn't care about how many hookers her husband sleeps with, as long as he can win an election.
Good luck with that Alicia - you lie with dogs; ya' get fleas....
Edited by Scholls1, Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:18 PM.
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:01 PM
I don't understand why Diane was pressuring Alicia to cut hours. The client is majorly wealthy, and the associates are working hard to get him out of jail. I can't see Bishop objecting to any fee that gets him out of jail. Does Diane really think they will lose Bishop's business? Billable hours are what keeps LG in the black!
I think it's been well-established that no one at LG has any idea of how things are kept in the black, heh.
What a boring, boring, boring episode. Remember when this show used to be full of crafty cases of the week, office intrigue and camaraderie? When the Alicia/Kalinda friendship was the focal point (emotional center?) of the show? Where the hell is that show?
Posted Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:42 PM
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 1:20 AM
This is just one of the great quotes this week, but thank goodness I'm not the only one who suddenly realized this week that I hate Alicia. Seriously, if I hadn't seen the first two seasons of the show I would have no reason whatsoever to like her. At first her coldness was understood - she had been deeply hurt and publicly embarrassed, she was having to make a new life for herself and move on, she didn't know who she could trust. We were given to understand that before the scandal she had been more fun, relaxed, outgoing. Now she was just trying to keep herself and her kids lives together. But now she just seems cold and hard and bitchy and disloyal to everyone. There's no real sense of why she is doing anything she does. And like Long Days Night said just upthread, there are numerous great stories and directions they could take but they won't take any of them! They want to play it safe in the middle. There is no sense of urgency or danger or anything with an of the storylines because we all know in the end NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Alicia will never make a decision on her own proactively without someone forcing her into it. She would never have the balls to leave and start her own firm with Cary and Elsbeth and Kalinda, which is a show I would watch.
I'm not sure if the writers are TRYING to make me hate Alicia ( I mean, would it be such a great idea to turn your lead actress into an unlikeable mess and KEEP it that way, and worse still...making her "hateable", too?), but they sure did a great job with it. My dislike for Alicia started in S3 and has continually deepened, up to the point that I really hated her tonight and the way she treated Cary. And I used to think Cary was nothing more but a jerk. My, he's grown a lot!
I couldn't care less about Peter's campaign or Eli's trouble and I hate the addition of Jordan. I'm glad the Lockhart Gardner bankrupcy storyline is over because I was about to scream if it kept going. I'm sick of Alicia's wishywashy attitude toward her personal life, and her visits to Peter in his trailer do seem seedy and tawdry, not empowered or whatever they are going for. And the cases of the week are rarely entertaining anymore. At least Cary is good looking, I guess. The only thing I've found interesting lately is the partner storyline and now they've managed to make both Alicia and Diane seem like cold bitches for reasons that are not clear. I thought Alicia's treatment of Cary was appalling.
Remember when I used to like this show and root for Alicia? I'm not sure I do anymore. I'll keep watching for the one or two good episodes that we get here and there and the hope that it will improve and go back to the show I loved. I'll give it to the end of the season but if it doesn't improve by then I'm afraid I'm out.
Edited by gradtg, Mar 5, 2013 @ 1:20 AM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 4:01 AM
If they divorce, they'd have to change the name to "The Good Ex-Wife"
A divorce is a long process that the writers could stretch out to last months, maybe the whole final season, where she would still be technically Peter's wife. With a slow divorce, they could explore the impact on the kids, and how the equity partners react to realizing that she's not going to be the governor's wife anymore. They could make her start a new firm with Cary and Kalinda, etc. So many interesting things could happen with a divorce, but now Alicia's not even talking about the D-word anymore with David Lee or anyone else.
The show is spinning its wheels and staying stuck in place. Like Long Days Night, I'd probably accept a Peter/Alicia get back together plot so long as the writers committed to it. Have Alicia say "I love you", or talk about moving into the house with Peter, or say something to indicate that she really wants more than sex from him. Just commit to the plot. Don't keep going back and teasing Will and Alicia with the recent kiss, and the promo for next week that has Alicia saying "we were good together." It feels like cheap manipulation to keep both romances going. Pick a side and stay with it for a coherent storyline. Move the story forward instead of keeping it at a standstill.
I also hate being given the runaround on Cary and Kalinda, with their near kiss in the promo, and her turning away to say "No." If the writers are never going to commit to pairing them, then just show them as friends. Stop teasing anything else.
This show never moves forward, and keeps repeating itself.
Edited by Cress, Mar 5, 2013 @ 4:02 AM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:10 AM
If they divorce, they'd have to change the name to "The Good Ex-Wife"
If the only reason they don't divorce is because of the title, then these folks are poor writers, because even good wives get divorced. It doesn't make any of them less of a "good wife" than before a divorce. I think if we are all watching this many years in, we'd understand where the title came from and how her story has developed and wouldn't tune out because, "well, the title doesn't make sense anymore; even though show is great, so let's change the channel!". I'm pretty sure they aren't picking up viewers at this point show conforming to the title or no.
The part that confused me was it sounded like they were saying to the associates you need to do all this work but we are only going to let you count 90% of the hours you worked and then the associaates will the get in trouble for not getting enough billable hours It is not like the associates get paid by the hour = work te hours, but we will only pay you for 9.
As crazy as it sounds, that's how a lot of big firms work.
Edited by pennben, Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:14 AM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:44 AM
how can "vote buying" for a straw poll be a cause for attracting federal corruption charges? [...] a straw poll is not an election any more than an online poll for "who's your favorite american idol contestant" affects who wins the show. It's a non-scientific, non-binding, private affair that's done for publicity and attention.
"Vote buying" is legal in a straw pole, and even encouraged as a means of showcasing a candidate's organization and fundraising skills. In 2011 Michele Bachman won the Iowa Straw Poll, iirc she made news for giving away hundreds of expensive barbecue dinners, holding a free concert, and busing in supporters from all over the state. This wasn't kept secret, it was publicized by her campaign in an effort to give the impression that she was a viable candidate. She certainly wasn't investigated for corruption or "vote buying."
A straw poll is typically held as a fundraiser for the county or state political party, where each voter gives a small donation ($30 or so) to cast their ballot. It is an accepted practice for the candidate's campaign fund to pick up the tab for the votes and pay for transportation, meals, and entertainment for his or her supporters. The organizers of straw polls don't care about the integrity of the vote, they just want as many total votes as possible in order to maximize fundraising for the political party.
Long story short, the "straw poll vote buying" federal charges against Eli were ludicrous, that would 100% never happen in real life.
That said, I still enjoyed this episode a lot. Interesting to see Alicia put into a few moral dilemmas, she playacted in court willingly to help Eli, but didn't let Diane push her into screwing over the associates. I love Elspeth and would gladly watch a spinoff show where she was the main character. The scene with her and Kyle MacLachlan in the Indian restaurant was awesome, especially the moment at the end when she had to push the table away to leave. This episode had several clever bits of staging and cinematography.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 8:28 AM
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 10:18 AM
This episode, like the last one, for me brought back the grown-up sense of quirk and competence that I've always liked about TGW at its best. What makes it even more entertaining is the fact that Alicia for the first time just seems ready to explode (but in a really fun way). The still composure she emanates is simply going away. It's like she's completely losing it but managing to have a great time -- she's navigating all these minefields -- Will, Peter, partnership, Cary, etc., and trying to hold onto her soul and self, and discovering that she just might be able to. I like that, and I love the spark JM has been bringing to her lately.
Meanwhile, I could watch Kyle Maclachlan in Agent Dale Cooper mode, flirting madly and ridiculously with Elsbeth, all freaking day. I can see how it might become twee, but honestly -- they could spin their mesmerizing adorable weirdness into an entire show and I'd watch the hell out of it. Just the pseudo-date -- with him gleefully sharing foods and beverages and appetizers -- while she just as smoothly was trying to choreograph them around the table and deflect the 'date' while also managing to exude both temptation, loathing, and attraction-- was so funny and beautifully performed it was almost like dance. They're both so weird and awesome I just want them to go gallivanting around Narnia together on a permanent basis.
Edited because I realized belatedly that I used the word 'fun,' like, 85 times. Yay adjectives!
Edited by Paramitch, Mar 5, 2013 @ 10:20 AM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:21 AM
Loved the Indian restaurant scene with the giant untouched mango lassis and Elsbeth's reactions and the way the waiters kept subtly but endlessly bringing more and more and more food to the table.
Edited by CozyKat, Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:27 AM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 1:36 PM
This episode really made me dislike Alicia. She might be management, but she doesn't need to be a witch about it! It didn't really seem in character either, especially after last week.
I was completely grossed out by Perrotti coming on to Elsbeth at the restaurant.
Talking about Elsbeth, I used to love her, but I prefer her in small doses and this is getting to be too much...
Alicia who is over her cold and Will who is "getting there" = no hope for them.
Hated the scene between Cap. Hellinger and Will, when they were whisper-flirting. Thought that was completely out of nowhere. Did they hook up at some point and I just blocked it out?
Other than that... Too much Eli, not enough Kalinda. And I want more Cary! Looking forward to next week, hopefully it'll be better.
Edited by GinnyMars, Mar 5, 2013 @ 2:15 PM.
Posted Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:24 PM
I agree with all of this, and I will add that I would not miss the kids if they never showed up again (wouldn't even need a "oh look, Grace sent a letter from college"). I would be happy if they dropped all of the home-life stuff (including Peter's political career)and just had cases to try. Except not the faux cases they have often had lately (like the ones concerning the charges against Eli).
I couldn't care less about Peter's campaign or Eli's trouble and I hate the addition of Jordan. I'm glad the Lockhart Gardner bankrupcy storyline is over because I was about to scream if it kept going. I'm sick of Alicia's wishywashy attitude toward her personal life, and her visits to Peter in his trailer do seem seedy and tawdry, not empowered or whatever they are going for. And the cases of the week are rarely entertaining anymore.
Ideally, I want the cases like they used to do - with a plaintiff/defendant that isn't one of the regular cast, but I could use a little less of the all-powerful Kalida parts.
Now, I am starting to wonder why I still watch this show. sigh.
Posted Mar 7, 2013 @ 9:33 PM
I used to think the Kings did have a clear endgame for their character, and they were simply unfolding the cloth very, very slowly, which is fine. (More than fine!) Somewhere along the way, I lost that faith
Sometimes these shows are victims of their own success. It's in Season 4, it's still rating well, it's called the Good Wife so that resolution they're after suddenly needs to be stretched out to a possible Season 5, 6 or even 7. No one cancels a rating show because the story has been told; at least not in the US. In other countries they make shows with a clear three-season plan and then they make three seasons and it's over. In the US, shows like Supernatural and Smallville keep churning it out year after year because the right proportion of the right demographic is still watching even though the shows are now stale mythological messes.*
I've enjoyed every episode of S4 so far even though it's been treading water, churning stories and trading on in-jokes. After all, I like those in-jokes. But at some point they're going to have to move the story forward or even dedicated viewers are going to tune out.
Meanwhile, I could watch Kyle Maclachlan in Agent Dale Cooper mode, flirting madly and ridiculously with Elsbeth, all freaking day
When I was a kid I was in love with Kyle Maclachlan and I am again. He's just completely adorable. LOVE!
marred mainly by the continuing bitchification of Diane
Counterpoint - Diane has a new female equity partner who she thinks will be good for the firm. Will can't mentor her for obvious reasons so it's Diane's job and Diane takes that shit seriously. I thought she was pushing her and throwing complex situations her way as a teaching tool. All her interactions have seemed to me as mentoring. But the world she grew up in was harsher than the one Alicia did and so she's trying to be harsh because Alicia will have to deal with harshness. As such, she's overcompensating and has made a few missteps. Alicia did the absolute worst thing when she approached Carey originally. She should have taken him aside and said, "we need to cut back the hours for x,y and z reasons" instead of addressing the group and being vague about what she wanted them to do.
*Edited to clarify that I don't think Smallville is still going. Just that it lived about 7 seasons past its use by date.
Edited by AudienceofOne, Mar 7, 2013 @ 9:47 PM.
Posted Mar 19, 2013 @ 7:33 PM
Posted Mar 19, 2013 @ 10:37 PM
Kalinda's british accent was awesome then she went back to that weird one...
The British accent may have just been Archie's natural speaking voice, since she's British. You're right that her "American accent" doesn't 100% sound like a native-born American English speaker.
Posted Mar 19, 2013 @ 11:23 PM
It's not meant to though, apparently to make her more mysterious the Kings/AP decided to go with her weird hybrid one - though it's gotten more English as time has gone by (there's quite a contrast between her accent now and how it was in season 1). I wish they'd just gone with a standard American accent though, Archie Panjabi did it well enough in A Mighty Heart.
You're right that her "American accent" doesn't 100% sound like a native-born American English speaker.
Posted Mar 20, 2013 @ 6:00 PM
The British accent may have just been Archie's natural speaking voice, since she's British.
It wasn't. It's her slightly posh Received Pronunciation accent. Archie's done a lot of voice-over work, and that's the one that does luxury cars and high-end retailers.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 7:21 AM
One step forward, two steps back... There's been so little indication as to what Alicia really wants (Will or Peter? Job or family? To be liked or to get ahead?) that I liked last week when she decided "Screw my fellow fourth years, I'm grabbing the partnership!" It may make her a bad person, but at least it showed she wasn't completely passive. But this week, we get no clue as to why she wanted to be a partner or what she wanted to do now that she is - does she still want to be "One of the little guys" or screw them over for her new peers? She seems determined to make herself despised by not only not taking a side but by then flip flopping on what she does (Maybe it was a test by Diane for her potential - if so she spectacularly failed). I'm kinda hoping we see Cary leave to form Agos & Associates, only that'd mean less (or no) Matt Czuchry in future, unless he wants to run for States Attourney to fill the vacant post when/if Peter wins the Governorship (I have no idea how implausible that would be IRL, but from other comments it seems that TPTB don't either!).
I really don't by Special Agent Dale Cooper as a Prosecutor since he seems too goofy, though I loved Elizabeth Tascioni (and I loved the flirty stuff between them - particualrly where she turned him down!). Glad to see Eli will be staying on, but it would be nice to see Jordan show some elements of political savvy too (hell, have him following what's trending on Twitter to show that he has an eye on "New Media" in contrast to Eli who's stuck in "Old Media", or something). Though if they ever want to actually have Peter & Alicia divorce, the final scene promises a new "Wife" for Peter in Eli!
ETA: I was a little surprised to see Jackie admit to her failing memory - I know she's always been all about Peter but I was slightly surprised she would make her own public admission of weakness like that. She may be an interfering biddy at times, but she really does love her son.
Edited by John Potts, May 6, 2013 @ 7:25 AM.