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[TWoP Nikita]

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The designers must create fashionable, age-appropriate looks for senior citizens.

This thread will open at 10:30pm EST on February 28.

[nicenessness]

Pardon me, but Heidi Klum is the last person on Earth who has room to talk about someone else wearing age-inappropriate attire. People in glass houses and all that.

P.S.- Man, they are really milking the Amanda drama, aren't they?

[Okwmember]

Michelle can step off. I know she's disappointed Heidi told her she was one of her favorites this week, and Patricia brought the team down, but she said this keeps happening to her like that's true. Listen, I recall a week ago you fighting for your life over a linguine necklace that you thought was the height of fashion.

[CrumbyButtons]

Once again, a challenge with non-model models - the one who has the most modelesque client wins. I really would have loved to see what Stanley could have done if Holly was his client. (ETA - not saying Stanley couldn't have rocked it, I really would like to see what he would have done.)

Patricia's was hideous. She was soooo lucky.

Kate may have saved Tu's ass with her "I felt respected" speech.

Benjamin is no great loss. He's been forgettable to me.

"I got goosed" - now that's a real Project Runway first!

Edited by CrumbyButtons, Feb 28, 2013 @ 10:39 PM.

[OhSayNow]

I have a great idea! Let's have team challenges where nobody actually has to collaborate or actually, you know, work with their teammates. It will be fantastic! Said no one. Ever.

I was surprised to see Benjamin go over Amanda or Tu, but they are all cannon fodder.

[Macthekat]

Patricia's was hideous. She was soooo lucky.

This seems to be a pattern with her. Please auf her next week. And, of course, she had to do her BIG EYES again, too. Enough with the over-the-top shocked look!

No great loss of Benjamin.

Rachel Roy is just beautiful! She makes Nina look like she's old enough to be her mother & Heidi (ever in her little, short, shiny dress with drab hair) look like she was never a model. I'd love to see her stay, along with Zac. Yep, I'm needing to see some new blood in the judge's chairs (but none of the boobs from the All-Stars season). Melissa Rivers, who will forever hang onto her momma's coattails, added nothing, as did Joan, who only tried to make a funny occasionally, but failed.

I loved most of the models this week. Spunky seniors are so much fun to be around.

[ThatPoshGirl]

I think the problem with these client challenges is that the designers are still using a standard-size dress form to design on. So, instead of making something that actually fits the client, they are making something that is a standard size 6 with huge seam allowances and then trying to fit it after the fact, or padding the dress form to try to match the measurements. Of course everything ends up looking like crap. That will never work. They should be giving them size-appropriate dress forms for these challenges.

[Puds38]

I was skeptical of the whole team challenge, but I think in a lot of ways it worked. The designer collaborated and worked together. Then last week it was partners and these folks didn't act like teams at all. In short it was, "I'mma do this, you good?" then everyone did their own thing.
This week I call foul on all of Michelle's THs. She must give good sound bites cause her designs have been crap yet she talks more smack than anyone there.I also call BS on Heidi's shit stirring saying that the reason that they were safe was because of Patricia. Sure Patricia's design was bad, but Michelle's was nothing more than "meh" and Layana's was too short. None of those designs were worthy of being anything more than safe, although an argument could be made for Patricia being in the bottom. Still that bottom group was pretty packed with Tu, Ben and Amanda's designs. Richard's design was hiddy. It looked cheap and the waist detail felt like a beach cover up. I think the only reason they praised it was so they could give the win to Stan if that partnership was on top. The only other dress I liked was Samantha's but it needed a little editing. I would have removed the bow, but kept the band and fixed the sleeves so they weren't as puffy. Still hers was one of the few that actually fit the model and looked cute. I'm sorry but praise it all they might, all Dan made was a black suit with one lapel.

I think the problem with these client challenges is that the designers are still using a standard-size dress form to design on. So, instead of making something that actually fits the client, they are making something that is a standard size 6 with huge seam allowances and then trying to fit it after the fact, or padding the dress form to try to match the measurements. Of course everything ends up looking like crap. That will never work. They should be giving them size-appropriate dress forms for these challenges.

These are supposed to be professional. They have the models there to take measurement. If they are having trouble they can pad the dress forms. I can argue for more time, but I can't see giving them a pass for not designing for the body in front of them.

Edited by Puds38, Feb 28, 2013 @ 11:06 PM.

[CrumbyButtons]

Melissa Rivers, who will forever hang onto her momma's coattails, added nothing, as did Joan, who only tried to make a funny occasionally, but failed.

I've never liked Joan Rivers, all the way back to her appearances on Johnny Carson (and her non-funny "Elizabeth Taylor is fat" jokes). I guess it shows that I really do like these designers that I would sit through her and her zero talent daughter to see who won and lost!

I didn't like that Rachel Roy kept bringing up that Richard's was "youthful". At a certain point, "youthful" isn't, and shouldn't have to be, your goal.

[TVQueen]

What is the point of having these teams if the looks do not have to be complementary or harmonious and the people with the best designs can't win? The whole concept is ridiculous. I know they're supposed to help each other, but as someone said, there's no time to do one's own work, let alone help someone else.

[Skylergirl]

If I would have won except for Patricia, I would have been damn angry. The designers handled it better than I would have.

And Heidi (or whoever styles you), even if you can pull it off physically, you are about fifteen (or more) years too old to be wearing the dress you were wearing. I cringed everytime I saw you in it.

[tanyak]

This seems to be a pattern with her. Please auf her next week. And, of course, she had to do her BIG EYES again, too. Enough with the over-the-top shocked look!

Yes!!Drives me crazy. And the thing is, I'm sure most people sort of do that sort of facial expression, but with her, her eyes look like they are about to pop out of her head. I know she can't help it, but still it bugs.

And Heidi, sweetie. If you wear this to an Oscars viewing page, please don't ever talk about what others are too old to wear. Ever.

Edited by tanyak, Feb 28, 2013 @ 11:58 PM.

[Gibasi]

I could not believe the praise Richard's dress got! It looked like he made a casing and inserted 1 inch elastic in the front of that dress! It looked horrible! So he had the same issue with too much material as Tu. He just put elastic on his dress and Tu used a belt.

I am not a big fan of Benjamin's but Amanda should have gone home over him. Her dress looked awful and whatever she did in the back was hideous. She was embarassed by it and could not believe she wasn't aufed. Holly's crush on Benjamin was so cute and I was sure her input would keep him in.

Patricia deserved more criticism than she got for that horrid thing she did. She didn't finish the edges of her cape and she didn't even cut it straight. I do not believe her lady was very happy with her garment but since the threesome was safe we didn't get to hear how she felt.

Oh my god, did they really have to tell Daniel he was back? He is back to his old insufferable self.

[msburg]

I think the problem with these client challenges is that the designers are still using a standard-size dress form to design on

So, I know nothing, but thought the mannequins were somewhat adjustable? I'm obviously wrong in this?

Congrats to Stanley, who I think has been very quietly excelling, and finally getting his due tonight.

[Nell Huxleigh]

Richard's dress looked straight off the rack of dress barn.

I like her, but Amanda really deserved to go home. Ben had, IMO, the toughest model. It didn't look like someone's first Home Ec project. There was a really wide variety in ages, mobility, size.
Patricia's dress was AWFUL but I really want her to keep making awful stuff and not going home just to piss off Michelle, portlandia really needs to get over herself.

[Ketzel]

I really felt for Patricia in this challenge. (And I call producer shenanigans on Michelle "randomly" ending up, not once, but twice, on the team with the only person she reallyreallyreally doesn't want to work with.) I can take or leave Patricia's aesthetic, and she definitely screwed up tonight, but it can't be much fun to have your teammates sneering and talking trash about your work behind your back. And the mean girl crap was instigated by Michelle, the perpetual member of the losing team, with her endless, repetitive lament over how she can't understand why the judges don't see how awful Patricia's work is and how much she needs to get the boot. Although Layana joined in with enthusiasm once Michelle got rolling.


BTW, Layana and Michelle, you need to listen more closely. Heidi said she had your two outfits in her top choices and Patricia was at the bottom. She didn't say one of you would definitely have won if not for Patricia. So all that complaining to Patricia that she cost one of you the win, especially while she was apologizing and clearly feeling terrible was obnoxious. There were other, better looks out there. Did you think she was trying to sabotage you? Heidi also said the teams were supposed to be helping and supporting each other, implying the two of you had not done that. Watching you both immediately start blaming Patricia as soon as you got off the runway made it obvious that point had gone over your heads as well.

One thing I didn't understand: we saw that one bad look and one good look didn't stop a team from being a high scoring team. So one designer's high score could counter another's lower one. But how did they score the threesome? It seems really unfair (not that I care much given their attitudes) if Michelle or Layana would have made it into the win-eligible group but for the fact that they were in a team of three. Did it take both of their scores to wash Patricia's? )*confused*

And finally, because I can't say it enough: STFU Michelle.


Michelle makes me grateful remotes come with mute buttons.

Edited by Ketzel, Mar 1, 2013 @ 8:50 AM.

[Modernwhimsy]

Oh dear the crotch.

Heidi not exactly buckets of self awareness there. Between the too tight, too short, looks like her daughter's dress and discussion of what was appropriate for an older woman, she needed a mirror because that was painful. What did RR and Nina think as they heard Heidi prattling on? You know they think she dresses like a vegas showgirl! It's so odd she does not realize it makes her face look older because people expect a younger product.

Bye Benjamin. I thought Amanda's was worse. She had a structured design and bought floaty fabric. Why not redesign a dress to fit the fabric?

Anyone know what Patricia's spirit animal is?

I like Joan Rivers. She is amusing. Melissa, not so much.

[RudyRayMoore]

I also call BS on Heidi's shit stirring saying that the reason that they were safe was because of Patricia. Sure Patricia's design was bad, but Michelle's was nothing more than "meh" and Layana's was too short.

I call BS on almost everything the judges said tonight. Except for Nina, they all fawned over Richard's shapeless Star Trek hospital gown. I liked Amanda's print, but her construction and design were atrocious. Tu wrapped some green fabric around his client and held it together with a belt! Yes, Ben's dress was dated and too tight, but his client adored it and he should NOT have been aufed over Patricia, Richard, Amanda or Tu.

And why do the designers always act as if "mature" or "real" women would want to wear clothes that are less interesting than what the designers themselves wear? These are cool, fitness-conscious, interesting NYC women who just happen to be older. Why put them in a potato sack or a satin Toddlers & Tiaras knockoff? Why agonize over your dress for hours, Amanda, as if your client couldn't just wear a sleek, modern frock? And Patricia, your client was the same shape you are!! I just can't with these designers.

However, Stanley's chic, polished jumpsuit was the absolutely correct win. Even if he lucked out with a gorgeous, tall and model-thin client...

[CrumbyButtons]

Was that an actual hankie Amanda was crying into? Haven't seen one of those for years!

[kelly28rn]

Once again, a challenge with non-model models - the one who has the most modelesque client wins. I really would have loved to see what Stanley could have done if Holly was his client.

I absolutely could not agree more. When I saw the models, I immediately said one of the tall thin women would win, and the most short, heavy, elderly woman would lose. Benjamin's model was so short and stout, and her body was strangely inflexible. What could he have done to make her look good? Granted - he may have made Stanley's model look like crap, but again such an unfair challenge. I was surprised at Benjamin being aufed, only because they typically let a design slide when the client loves it. I think they were longing to get rid of Benjamin.

I thought Michelle would be humbled a little, or at least shut up for awhile, after being traded to the undefeated team and .... that team losing. How did she justify that in her head? And I need to add - I just hate the Brazilian chick!!! I have really loved Amanda (personality-wise), but she gets grouped in with the bitch criticism along with Michelle next week, so now I'm not so sure.

[Bebecat]

This should not be so difficult...these women are confident and have opinions about what they want. And most of them are pretty specific. And yet...sigh. They manage to make it difficult.

Oh Heidi...that runway dress...do you even have a stylist? How can they all look at her with a straight face, especially Nina? And how can you take her criticism seriously when she is dressed like that?

Daniel's mustache is scaring me. Eeek.

Amanda did get freaked out too early this time...as though she totally forgot she did well last week. And her fabric was pretty out there.

Stanley got goosed, lol.

Ben: Color was great, skirt was awfully stiff, like a bell, looked super uncomfortable.
Amanda: Just awkward and messy and hard to look at, felt sorry for model, very dowdy. Frumpy came to mind.
Tu:Sloppy and not at all special, just a mess and ill-made, obviously.
Kate: Not bad, the model sold it for her, neckline was high and looked uncomfortable. Nice of her to throw Tu a compliment.
Daniel: Okay a black suit, I thought the collar was just weird. Not overwhelmed.
Samantha: Not a fan of satin or leopard personally, top seemed too young with the puffed sleeves, but I get that the lady wanted to show her arms. Had to agree with Heidi on this one.
Richard: Not impressed, okay, not special.Didn't do much for me. Maybe with a belt? Was surprised Heidi liked it, I have never seen her that covered-up.
Stanley: Weird crotch? Otherwise nice. Nice styling, nice color. I don't think he would have won with Michael K. as a judge.
Patricia: Ugh, ugh, ugh I am so glad they told Patricia hers was the lowest score
Layana: Pretty dress...maybe a little bit young? But looked well-made
Michelle: Liked the print, liked the dress, good job. I think I like hers best and she was robbed.

Rachel is a very honest judge, lol.
Joan did not drive me crazy. Melissa did not add much for me. I missed Zac.
I think it is kind of condescending to call older women "cute" all the time the way they do, but maybe they do not mind. I know Heidi meant it as a compliment.

Michelle was right about how the team issue can keep someone from winning. That seems wrong, her dress and Layana's were the best. And then since they were "safe" they did not get to talk about their looks. I feel like we barely saw them.
I liked this bunch of "real people" better than most groups in the past. Reminded me of my mother-in-law, who lives in one of those huge retirement communities in FL and is active in all these Irish clog dancing classes, etc.

Tu, Amanda, and Ben had the worst end results for me. Any one of them going would have been fine. Seeing Tu's and Kate's together in final critique was brutal, both were frumpy-looking. Lol, on my infamous TV, Tu's dress was NOT green, but navy or black. Kate's dress was cute though, lol. (don't know what color it was, though). Was kind of shocked by Benjamin going, though. I thought it would be Amanda.

I think there were problems with all of the designs, once Michelle and Layana were off the runway. I thought Daniel would win, by their comments.

[BDArizona]

So, I take it that they average the scores for the team, which is why Stanley could end up in the top group considering the monstrosity that Richard sent down the runway. Or the judges are just full of shit. Whichever.

Michelle can step off. I know she's disappointed Heidi told her she was one of her favorites this week, and Patricia brought the team down, but she said this keeps happening to her like that's true. Listen, I recall a week ago you fighting for your life over a linguine necklace that you thought was the height of fashion.

The only thing that pissed me off more than Michelle's bullshit was the show validating her bullshit. I really dislike her so much. Of course, I'm not impressed by any of these people, but her attitude combined with her mediocre clothes just make me want her gone.

I have a great idea! Let's have team challenges where nobody actually has to collaborate or actually, you know, work with their teammates. It will be fantastic! Said no one. Ever.

I like the team aspect of the show, but it's disappeared since they went to the smaller groups. Why bother, since they aren't really collaborating at all now? I guess they need to justify the tagline.

[Bebecat]

I suppose the team aspect and the way they appear to be judged shows how important it is that they do help the other members, or risk not being able to get a win, no matter how good your own work is. Michelle and Layana either did not offer Patricia any advice or were convinced she would not listen anyway, so they just snickered about her instead, and therefore, forfeited a chance to get a win.

I do think their garments were the best made, overall, and most flattering, except L's was a little short.

[whee whee piggy]

I'm sure they prompt contestants to talk shit about each other and then play the bad stuff if that's the storyline, but Michelle is really working my last nerve. Projection, much?

"I can see Patricia is awful! Why can't the judges!!?? Why can't the judges see how fabulous I am!!??"

I dunno...Maybe you're not fabulous?

Laylalala or whatever her name is, is the stealth bitch. At least she has some eye. Michelle, not so much.

Both of them COMPLETELY missed Heidi's point. Perhaps when they watch the playback and see how Katie's attitude saved Tu and thus saved both of them. If they'd helped Patricia or offered her some guidance instead of just snarking, well, maybe they would have been that winning group.

I just bet Stanley headed right to his model as soon as he saw her. He's not fool.

[GaT]

I'm glad they randomly assigned models, I'm always afraid the poor real life models are going to be humiliated by being picked last.

I missed some, but I thought:

Patricia-just awful, the poor woman was overwhelmed in all that fabric. Patricia should have used the time she spent to shred the edges on making something that fit-sucks she dragged down Layana & Michelle

Stanley-she looked great, stylish & hip, I thought he deserved the win.

Richard-awful, he could have just thrown some fabric over her.

Kate-the top looked way too tight to me.

Samantha-badly finished, the top was all puckered.

Daniel-I thought the jacket didn't fit, it looked too tight.

Amanda-bad sewing (what happened to the woman's bust?), looked too young

Benjamin-the dress looked really stiff & uncomfortable. I won't miss him.

[azzurro]

This ep felt like b.s. from beginning to end. I agree with Stanley's winning. Amanda's dress was the worst (and just WTF was her problem, anyway?) but there was something very satisfying to me about seeing Ben (who I really loathe) getting kicked off when he so obviously was expecting someone else to be. When Heidi told him he was out, he looked as if his mind literally could not process what she was saying. I thought he was going to stand there until someone from security came and carried him off the runway.

I also call BS on Heidi's shit stirring saying that the reason that they were safe was because of Patricia. Sure Patricia's design was bad, but Michelle's was nothing more than "meh" and Layana's was too short.

Seconded. IMO Layana's was not much better than Amanda's - they both looked like little girl dresses in dull prints. Michelle's print was not dull, but I thought it was very garish and ugly (and personality-wise she is a tw-t of the highest order). I have a hard time believing that but for Patricia being on their team, either Michelle or Layana would have won.

And I call producer shenanigans on Michelle "randomly" ending up, not once, but twice, on the team with the only person she reallyreallyreally doesn't want to work with.

Also seconded. It could not be more obvious that the producers are screwing around with the contestants to ramp up the "drama". It's such bullshit. And the teams concept has already spiraled down the toilet. As someone pointed out above, how the hell are the designers supposed to help someone else out when they barely have enough time to finish their own designs?

[Mystery]

I agree that Kate might have saved Tu this week. At the very least she made the judges consider how he had acted as a teammate, and they were asking others how THEY acted as teammates, so maybe that was important to them.

BTW, Layana and Michelle, you need to listen more closely. Heidi said she had your two outfits in her top choices and Patricia was at the bottom. She didn't say one of you would definitely have won if not for Patricia.

Just what I was thinking. They have no proof that anyone else liked their dresses-- if the other judges did, I think they would have put them in the winning group regardless of Patricia (since they weren't sending her home, anyway).

Michelle is unbelievably unaware. She is in the bottom every week because of "bad luck," and Patricia's been in the top several times because of "magic?" Goodness knows I hated Patricia's dress this week, but she has had some stuff that the judges praised.

[lovesduncan]

Both of them COMPLETELY missed Heidi's point. Perhaps when they watch the playback and see how Katie's attitude saved Tu and thus saved both of them. If they'd helped Patricia or offered her some guidance instead of just snarking, well, maybe they would have been that winning group.

Absolutely. Maybe Patricia wouldn't have listened but, from what we saw, they didn't offer any true guidance. Michelle is really insufferable. I have no idea why she is channeling all of her resentment to Patricia. There is plenty of canon fodder on this show. Michelle isn't very talented. Except for last night's design, her work has been unexciting.

The praise for Richard's design was BS. Someone upthread called it a swimsuit cover-up and that's exactly what it looked like. It wasn't youthful or fun. It was cheap-looking.

Something happens to these designers when they get "real" women. Its like common sense and fashion sense gets tossed out the window. I agree that the time constraints create issues but come on...choose a flattering fabric (not Amanda's), go for a simple silhouette, avoid the silly add-ons (like puffy sleeves and a bow belt, Samantha) and make sure it fits (Tu). These were active women, all seemingly in good shape. There should not have been so many issues. The designers always over-think the real women challenges.

And how - in any way - was this a team challenge? I groaned when Heidi (or Tim or whomever) said that the looks didn't need to be cohesive. So we ended up with the nonsense of Richard in the top simply because Stanley was the obvious winner.

[molshoop]

I wish Ben' model had said to Heidi, " Well, I don't like your dress either!"

And Joan, "menopausal kitten" makes little sense and isn't very funny. At least "postmenopausal pussycat" would have been more accurate.

[TerryMcT]

(And I call producer shenanigans on Michelle "randomly" ending up, not once, but twice, on the team with the only person she reallyreallyreally doesn't want to work with.)

This. Big time. Patricia ended up with both of the "mean girl" contestants. It's like throwing a rabbit in a cage with two hungry birds of prey.

Amanda should have gone home, but Benjamin leaving didn't disappoint me. I thought early on that he had a lot of potential but he really didn't show it.

Layana's was too short.

Too short and what skirt there was was fairly see-through. When Layana's client stood in front of the lighted backdrop, you could have read a newspaper behind her legs.

The judges were praising Daniel's pants suit, but it seemed oddly bunched up to me both at the waist and in the crotch. I felt like I was looking at a different outfit from the judges.

Edited by TerryMcT, Mar 1, 2013 @ 8:03 AM.