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[TomGirl]

Heading for the most dramatic finish EVER!

[over30patheticgroupie]

Once again Sean thinks frightening a woman is a test if they can make it as a couple. ARGH!

All of the 3 women giving him goo-goo eyes, I think his ego is really getting off on that. I hope he realizes that he will eventually fall off the pedestal with whoever he picks.

Geesh ABC, couldn't you get the contestants to view your OZ movie like they tied their movie advertisements into past seasons? Now Chris Harrison just flat out plugs the movie.

I don't read the spoilers but I called it a few episodes back he would take Lindsey as f2 because she wouldn't go as wacko on him as Ashlee would.

I realize Ashlee should know how the show works and the possibility of being dumped, but I still feel that Sean should have let her go earlier because she is so emotionally fragile. He even said himself he was worried she wouldn't be okay so he knew leading her on was going to be harmful. You know he was dreading walking her out!

I am glad Ashlee didn't say anything to him, begging him to keep her like Des did is degrading.

[torreador]

Wow. AshLee making the crazy eyes in the reject van and declaring she wasn't there for fun and laughter. I felt bad for her that they aired that clip. I think it's even worse than the crying clips. Crying's an emotional release. That just came across as cray cray.

And agree about the "testing". Although if Sean really is Mr. Adventure and he absolutely positively has to have a wife that likes that stuff, then, making sure she enjoys the same things is a valid objective. But having her show that she can trust him even when he says he has no idea what's going on... not a valid relationship test.

[garden]

I was really glad to see AshLee go, simply because she was really making a fool of herself. Everything she said tonight sounded like it was a line from a greeting card, and I was cringing with embarrassment for her. Everything she said was a metaphor, or said through tears, or said as though she thought it was the most profound thing anyone ever said. I hope watching this gives her better perspective.

Edited by garden, Feb 25, 2013 @ 10:12 PM.

[Vexer]

I'll admit, last week I let myself be spoilered to the F2 because I could not bear the thought of watching the finale if AshLee were in the F2. I honestly have NO idea who wins but I also pegged the F2 weeks ago - both Lindsay and Catherine seem like dark horses, but also like they have a real connection with Sean. All I could do was roll my eyes every time AshLee opened her mouth this episode equating everything to letting go and being vulnerable and blahdy blahdy blahdy cakes. UGH!!! She seems like a very nice woman but she has ISSSSUUUUUUEEEES! I felt badly for her at the end - if looks could kill, Sean would be a dead man. But could they have made it more obvious that she was the one getting the boot during the videos? And yes, I was constantly rolling my eyes as she broke into tears over and over. He shouldn't have kept her so long.

The date with Lindsay was cute. But jees louise, what is up with the forcing women to do things they said they didn't want to do? That was gross. And I'm tired of her pouty face and baby voice.

Followed with AshLee being forced to swim through the cave to get to the picnic. But of course it was all about her being vulnerable and letting go and blahdy, blahdy, blahdy cakes.

The date with Cath seemed most natural. Their affection and feelings seem genuine. I think she's the one despite him "deciding" between her and Des last week and her and AshLee this week. I think he kept Lindsay because she easier to let go than any of the others. But I bet he's regretting keeping AshLee this long. She should have gone at 6 or earlier.

[Wibnix]

Well, I guess Ashlee's line is no longer in effect: "This man has literally hilled my broken heart." I fill so sorry for her, but her weird pronunciation of shit drove me nuts.

But seriously, the poor thing was way too fragile to be on this fucked up show with Shallow Sean.

[over30patheticgroupie]

Catherine supposedly works at Amazon and Lindsay is a teacher but on this show they come off as cheerful, giggly airheads who blindly worship Sean and I think that's the kind of woman he likes.

[welsch515]

But seriously, the poor thing was way too fragile to be on this fucked up show with Shallow Sean.

I agree. I hope any women (or men) out there who have as many obvious emotional issues as Ashlee and who had thought about applying to be on The Bachelor(ette) will think twice after watching this train wreck. It's not entertaining...just sad.

[Vexer]

Lindsay is a substitute teacher. Big difference. I see a more mature and serious side to Catherine. And not just the freaky talking about the tree falling on her friend and crazy dad. She seems to be pretty well rounded.

[Joymarie]

Wow, so that was weird. They made it painfully clear relatively early that AshLee was going to go. It seemed like TPTB wanted us to know as if we would be looking forward to watching her break down or something. I don't quite know what to think about the way the episode unfolded. They should have let her go weeks ago. I was kind of liking the way she didn't speak to Sean, but it was a bit nuts.

her weird pronunciation of shit drove me nuts.

Me too. Her talking heads were painful. She spoke so slowly and deliberately and constantly used the word "and" which she pronounced at Ay-end. That was really driving me nuts. Also the way she referred to Sean as "this man" like four billion times.

The date with Cath seemed most natural.

I agree. Notice how Sean didn't have to test her or force her to do things she didn't want to do. All that crap is just filler for the women he's not interested in and needs something to pass the time.

Catherine referring to Sean as a hunk made me throw up a little in my mouth.

My prediction is the letter in the finale is from Tierra. Or Dez. But definitely not from one of the F2.

Edited by Joymarie, Feb 25, 2013 @ 10:32 PM.

[daniella1]

I thought it was kind of ironic that AshLee accused Tierra of being rude, "not being there for the right reasons," "being a different person with Sean," not wanting to hang out wih the girls, etc. But when Sean rejected AshLee she just walked out without saying jack squat to the two other ladies.

[JudyObscure]

Catherine supposedly works at Amazon and Lindsay is a teacher but on this show they come off as cheerful, giggly airheads who blindly worship Sean and I think that's the kind of woman he likes.

Yep and that may be why his mother is crying next week. I have an awful feeling he's going to chose duck-face just so they can spend the rest of their lives telling people the awesome and hilarious story of how she was wearing a wedding gown when they met and then they got married and she wore a wedding gown at the wedding. LOL.

I understand that AshLee was far too serious for Sean but the way she looked at the rose ceremony, I don't see how he kept from changing his mind. She's a beautiful girl and I'm sure some deadly serious, schmaltzy cornball will be waiting at the airport for her when she gets home. They can spend the rest of their lives making cringe worthy speeches to each other. She reminds me of Dudley Moore's creepy-sincere fiancee in "Arthur."

[Jennionthefarm]

In my state you can be a substitute teacher with 60 college credits, so we don't know if Lindsey is really a teacher. Not that it matters that much, just saying.

That last clip of Catherine and Sean talking about dorks and nerds was cute. Catherine seems intelligent enough that she would give Sean a bit of a challenge.

I felt a little sorry for Sean even though it was a situation he created. Hopefully Ashlee will get counseling, she needs it.

[welsch515]

I know it's dangerous to inject logic or reason into analysis of this ridiculous show, but why in the world would Catherine give up an enviable job at Amazon to move to Dallas to be with this dope?

[Vexer]

Hey now. Dallas has a lot of great companies to work for. But yes, Sean is a huge dope.

[LennieB]

"I'm the lucky one." Twice with "You make me happy." Speaking of marriage and "five years from now." Sean is head over heels for Catherine. Conversely, she seems to prefer speaking to him while not looking at him.

[PetuniaP]

I thought it was kind of ironic that AshLee accused Tierra of being rude, "not being there for the right reasons," "being a different person with Sean," not wanting to hang out wih the girls, etc. But when Sean rejected AshLee she just walked out without saying jack squat to the two other ladies.

Honestly, I don't blame AshLee for that. She'd really worked herself up into a state over dopey Sean and when he dumped her, she couldn't wait to get the hell out of there. Is she really expected to make nice and say goodbye to the two women who beat her out? I always found that stuff super phony. She will see them again and they can be friendly then but at the moment of rejection, I can see where she wouldn't even remember they were there. I found AshLee's exit heartbreaking to be honest, because you could see how hurt she was at the same time that her shields were going up. She seemed very practiced in shutting down to protect herself and that made me feel sorry for her. I will say...she has never looked more beautiful than that moment and if I were Sean, I might have relented there and then.

I never thought I'd say this but I hope AshLee gets the Bachelorette spot next. She's 32 and needs it way more than Catherine or (god forbid) Lindsey.

Also, I could not believe my ears when Catherine was going on about how she's been teased in life and told she was too fat or ate too much. Women are put through so much that some of us truly can't see our own beauty. That someone as gorgeous as Catherine doesn't think she could get someone as "hunky" as Sean floors me. We have a long way to go...and I guess shows like this don't help!

[TomGirl]

I was actually glad for AshLee that she held it together at the end and escaped with a modicum of dignity. She was mad as hell. I can totally understand her not wanting to show how hurt she was. I can also understand her not wanting to make HIM feel better with the usual big hug/good luck parting move.

[Ketzel]

I was so taken aback at the way Sean ignored AshLee's perfectly reasonable request to "stay there" as she walked by herself to the van. He couldn't even let her leave gracefully; it was, as always, about his needs and the importance to him of salving his conscience by blithering about how much he cared about her and how important she was to him. While I generally consider myself a balanced and non-violent person, there was a moment in the middle of his excruciating speech (which I honestly think could not have been more hurtful to AshLee if he had tried) when I found myself screaming, "Hit him! HIT HIM!" at the screen. What a tool.

[nydude]

Catherine has the edge in the hot factor and Lindsay has the edge in the compatibility factor. I wonder which head will help Sean decide which one to choose? ;)

So Sean wanted to spend the night with each of the women to "talk". Talk, so that's that what these crazy kids are calling it these days.

The "amazing" count should be pretty high tonight on Kimmel.

[Phlange]

Two things... I think the letter at the end is from his mother giving him her blessings.

Also, I just cannot get over all this talk of adventure with this guy. He wants an adventurous wife. But then everything else he says about what he wants (wifed up, barefoot, pregnant and letting him be in control of everything) sounds like the least adventurous life I can imagine. Makes no flipping sense. But when has this trainwreck ever made sense. Catherine is clearly too good for him. If he chooses her, unless he lets her challenge him and "get him out of his comfort zone", she will dump him a month after the finale airs.

[Firthient]

I wish Sean would stop with the fake, "I am having a hard time deciding", because it will be Catherine. It was always Catherine. Those other ladies didn't stand a chance. I agree with the poster that said he picked Lindsey for F2, because he thinks she will take the rejection better than the others.

I can't bring myself to feel sorry for AshLee. I think she thought Tierra was her only competition. So all she had to do was get her out of the way and it would be smooth sailing. In the meantime, sneaky Catherine was slipping Sean notes when no one was looking and they'd disappear for long periods of time. Wonder what they thought they were doing. Idiots!

Sean's mom doesn't seem impress with either ladies. I don't think there will be a happy ending.

[lids]

I was so taken aback at the way Sean ignored AshLee's perfectly reasonable request to "stay there" as she walked by herself to the van. He couldn't even let her leave gracefully; it was, as always, about his needs and the importance to him of salving his conscience by blithering about how much he cared about her and how important she was to him. While I generally consider myself a balanced and non-violent person, there was a moment in the middle of his excruciating speech (which I honestly think could not have been more hurtful to AshLee if he had tried) when I found myself screaming, "Hit him! HIT HIM!" at the screen. What a tool.

Yeah, is it wrong that I kind of dug "woman scorned Ashlee?" I would have loved to see that women on danger dates with Sean.
Sean: Here Ashlee eat this bug.
Ashlee: (slaps the bug out of his hand) Don't ever put your hands in my face.

Sean: Why don't you just swim through this cave and we can have a party on the other side?
Ashlee: Why don't you just die in a fire?

Sean: I'm really gonna need you to trust me 100 percent.
Ashlee: Not while you're dating all these other randos who speak in baby voices.

See I would definitely watch that show. The funniest part of the whole dumping was that Chris Harrison would not show up. I think he is scared of Ashlee. There was no 'this is the final rose of the night' or 'Ashlee, say your goodbyes to the rest of the women.' Harrison just went somewhere and hid. I hope we still get angry Ashlee at The Women Tell All.

[TomGirl]

lids, that is funny that Chris didn't come in with the "AshLee I'm sorry, say your goodbyes" shtick. You're probably right, he was scared to death of her!

[over30patheticgroupie]

I remember on Bob Guiney's season that after he let Mary go that Bob & Chris Harrison hid from her. So I don't doubt Chris made him scarce tonight with Ashlee.

Phlange, I agree that Sean's "adventure" talk is odd as he doesn't come off as somebody who wants a wife with any kind of wild streak.


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Edited by over30patheticgroupie, Feb 25, 2013 @ 11:59 PM.

[Madison]

Even though The Bachelor and Bachelorette always try to play up the suspense and thus stress indecision even where there is none....Either Sean is genuinely more confused than any contestant ever, or he's one of the least likable bachelors of all time. The two aren't mutually exclusive or anything. But what's with all the declarations on his dates about how crazy he is about each woman and how he can see each one as his wife? There's no need to be cruel as you string people along. It's not unreasonable for Abandonment AshLee to suspect you plan to marry her, for example, when she puts on her craziest face, declares that she loves you every five seconds, and continues to get rose after rose. He talked to her about how he thinks about what it will be like if the two of them get married on their date. Completely unnecessary.

Sean's explanation to AshLee had a gaping hole. If he thought she was the one the entire time--and that's why he pulled this messed up crap on her crazy ass--then when/where/why did that change? And couldn't she have been given some kind of subtle and private clue that this was the case, if he respects and cares so much about her? After all, he cared so much about Sarah and Tierra that he just had to send them home before the rose ceremonies so they didn't have to go through any more pain and suffering.

Edited by Madison, Feb 26, 2013 @ 12:15 AM.

[Maddingcrowd]

I've never heard Sean say anything about keeping a woman barefoot and pregnant, not allowing her to work or anything of the kind. Wanting to have a family does not mean you are a caveman who wants to keep a woman tied up at home. Most people in the world do have families and I think most women are strong enough to decide whether they want to work or not.

I also don't get why he is so terrible for letting woman go. Every bachelor and bachelorette does this and some have done it in the middle of a date, by throwing the guy off a train and by leaving a guy on a glacier. I don't recall ever reading about how terrible these people were for eliminating contestants.

To me Sean is one of the better bachelors: he is much more handsome, well mannered and kind than Ben, Jake, Brad and even Jason (again, my opinion.) l don't think he is perfect; he comes across as a little stiff and formal (it could just be the cameras though), but I wish him the best and hope is happy.

Ashlee looked smoking tonight but she cannot expect any man to heal her or fix her. You have to do that for yourself and she will never find love until she gets some therapy and learns she is fine the way she is. I don't think going on the bachelorette would be a good experience for her either because you have to be in a positive place to find love and she may be 32 but she isn't there yet.

Also, still don't think Sean (or any bachelor/ett )has anything to do with any aspects of the dates.

Edited by Maddingcrowd, Feb 26, 2013 @ 12:20 AM.

[backformore]

After all the trips and roses, it's down to real life. Real, boring, day-to-day life.

AshLee and sean married - their day starts out like this:
Sean: I made you coffee
AshLee: Wonderful! the dark coffee is like the deep, dark depths of our love.
S: Cream and sugar?
A: Yes! Now it expresses the lush, smooth, sweetness of our future together.
S: Ok, I have to go to work now.
A: When you leave for work, it brings back the pain of my childhood and I feel I'm being abandoned all over again.

Sean and Lindsay married -
Sean: good morning
Lindsay: It's an AMAZING morning! Look! The sun is up - that's so AMAZING!
S: I made you coffee
L: that's AMAAZING! Oh my god, this coffee is so amazing! I'm having coffee with my best friend!
S: I'm off to work now.
L: have an amazing day!

Yeah, he HAS to choose Catherine.

[GlamSnooky]

Ashlee and those crazy eyes at the end? Thank God Sean doesn't have a pet bunny.

He talked to her about how he thinks about what it will be like if the two of them get married on their date. Completely unnecessary.

Sean's explanation to AshLee had a gaping hole. If he thought she was the one the entire time--and that's why he pulled this messed up crap on her crazy ass--then when/where/why did that change? And couldn't she have been given some kind of subtle and private clue that this was the case, if he respects and cares so much about her? After all, he cared so much about Sarah and Tierra that he just had to send them home before the rose ceremonies so they didn't have to go through any more pain and suffering.

In the early Bachelor seasons, the B/b'ette was raked over the coals for saying much more vague things to the ones they didn't end up choosing, so I've been increasingly "amazed" at the stuff Sean says to these women, from "I'm crazy about you" to "I can see you as my wife."

Sean: Here Ashlee eat this bug.
Ashlee: (slaps the bug out of his hand) Don't ever put your hands in my face.

Sean: Why don't you just swim through this cave and we can have a party on the other side?
Ashlee: Why don't you just die in a fire?

Sean: I'm really gonna need you to trust me 100 percent.
Ashlee: Not while you're dating all these other randos who speak in baby voices.

LOL! I would love love LOVE for some woman to say "Like hell, I'm not eating a worm! I told you I won't eat bugs, did you think I was lying?!"

As I write this, I'm watching this show I stumbled on called "Burning Love" on E!. It's a Bachelor satire, the first cocktail party. Pretty good. I can't say more, it's too off-topic. To tie it in, this guy is a tooly as Sean.

Edited by GlamSnooky, Feb 26, 2013 @ 1:27 AM.

[superpole2000]

AshLee used the word "love" more times in this episode than I have in my entire life. She became obsessed with the concept, almost as much as she was with the "letting go" crap she kept harping on about. And yet I don't feel even remotely bad for her. She is gorgeous and can pick almost any guy out of a crowd and catch his attention. She just has to stop scaring guys with her crazy intensity and stop burdening them with this ridiculous rescue/fix me responsibility.

I really like Lindsay. I hope he doesn't choose her.