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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 12:42 AM

I love this show. I wish I could muster this much enthusiasm for the other new reality show, The Taste.

I was surprised that the big guy (much like Jann, I can't remember names) got an alternate job offer. I think it is common sense for a man working at a nice restaurant in that position to wear a suit when trying to get a job there. The guy who offered him the job seemed very casual himself, though. I think that job was probably a better fit for him anyway. I thought it was also decent of The Palms to let him know that he wasn't a front-runner instead of stringing him along just to disappoint him.

I was happy that The Palms offered both of the final two jobs. They both seemed pretty equally qualified, with a slight edge to Jann because of her warmth.

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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 12:44 AM

Never heard of this. What channel is it on?

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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 12:57 AM

It started tonight. It's on CBS on Fridays at 8:00. You might be able to catch it On Demand, if you have Comcast.

Edited to add: For people who don't know, every week they feature a different company hiring for a position. Five people are competing for the position. Other companies are there and have the option of "stealing" one of the candidates by making an offer to them if they like them. The candidates can then accept the guaranteed offer by one of those companies or continue competing for the original company. At the end, one of the candidates gets a job offer.

Edited by DebB, Feb 9, 2013 @ 1:02 AM.


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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 1:11 AM

I do have Comcast so I will have to check On Demand.

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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 11:51 AM

I was surprised that I enjoyed this. I will say, I could never interview well for a job in that game show environment. I've dined at Westville, the restaurant that the big guy got an offer for and he'll fit in fine. I also liked it that The Palm was straightforward with him about his chances at their restaurant.

I was also glad that The Palm offered a position to the runner-up in Boston. He did seem to truly know what goes into front of house service although I personally wouldn't want a chatty assistant general manager interrupting my meal. But I'm much more into the European sensibility of leaving people alone to enjoy their food rather than the American "is everything all right?" idea of service.

I suppose I have to trust Jan when she says she's ok moving to NYC with 6 kids but I truly hope she knows what she's doing. I have no idea what Assistant General Managers make at a restaurant but this is a very expensive city and space is at a premium. I don't remember where she was currently living but NYC real estate is bound to be a shock, it's a shock to residents who are just trying to move from one place in the city to another. Good luck to her.

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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 4:27 PM

I enjoyed watching it (more because I'm a hospitality vet who used to work for one of The Palm's direct competitors). I missed the beginning, so I'll assume some, if not all of these people had minimal restaurant experience, correct (like the guy who didn't recognize the types of clams, which is pretty basic---in fact such a restaurant would probably expect its bussers to know these things).

That said, the division of work was pretty slanted. Being the floor manager who doesn't assign, but just seats and checks on guest satisfaction (which both of the winners were rotated into) is NOT difficult. Additionally asking "how does everything taste?" is verrrrrrry tacky (like Bob's Big Boy level). An establishment like The Palm would instruct its employees to ask, "how are you enjoying your steak?" or something equally graceful.

Expediting, "controlling the board" (the door staff who does table assigning) and opening and decanting wine are all relatively skilled positions that require at least some practice to be able to do. It would be quite common for someone who lacks a fair amount of industry experience to struggle with any of these.

While I agree the Hawaiian guy should've known to wear a jacket and tie---he IS from Hawaii, where suits don't get much rotation. I actually agree that he would've been a poor fit (and thought Westville looked more fun, anyway), but the escorting guests to the bar thing? Yes, I understand why they'd do it that way---but again, if that's your policy, you need to communicate that to begin with.

Also, I always love how every restaurant company basically does the same thing and likes to pretend they're all innovative. Many, many companies make you rotate through every job on property (one for humility, two so you can cover a sick call or otherwise jump in)---this is nothing new. IN fact plenty of restaurants will make even hourly staff spend some time learning other line level positions for precisely this reason. It's been that way for quite some time. Some companies (Morton's, before being purchased by Landry) will make you do this in another city for 4 or 5 months!

Lastly, the most ignorance was demonstrated by the younger male Palm executive, who appeared to largely be the decision maker! It's borderline illegal (and totally inappropriate) to inquire about an applicant's family size and its impact on her ability to do the job (which he was and probably wouldn't have asked a guy the same question---which is what makes it illegal). Yes, I get that they already knew she had 6 kids--and obviously it would be a concern, but they still can't ask such a question, let alone use the answer in their decision. I'm frankly stunned they would ask it on national TV.

The rest of their interview advice was akin to what high schoolers are told.

However, I'm mystified how an assistant manager position, even with an upscale chain, is one's dream job, past the age of 25----and since it probably pays about $35K MAX, for the 60 hour work week they'll expect, I'm mystified how poor Jann plans on supporting her 6 children, myself---particularly in NYC.

Edited by zumpie, Feb 9, 2013 @ 4:34 PM.


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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 8:15 PM

I'm mystified how an assistant manager position, even with an upscale chain, is one's dream job, past the age of 25----and since it probably pays about $35K MAX, for the 60 hour work week they'll expect, I'm mystified how poor Jann plans on supporting her 6 children, myself---particularly in NYC.

It might be a dream job because they see that position as a way to work into management. I definitely see your point about Jann. I'm single and childless, and I think I'd turn down the job for that kind of money. You can live comfortably on $35,000 a year in many places; however, I do not think New York City is one of them. I say that based on what I've always heard about rental and property prices there.

Lastly, the most ignorance was demonstrated by the younger male Palm executive, who appeared to largely be the decision maker! It's borderline illegal (and totally inappropriate) to inquire about an applicant's family size and its impact on her ability to do the job (which he was and probably wouldn't have asked a guy the same question---which is what makes it illegal).

Not only that, but they also asked the guy if he still had cancer. I might be mistaken, but I also thought questions about health were not allowed. If he said yes, would they still have been interested in hiring him?

Edited by DebB, Feb 9, 2013 @ 8:16 PM.


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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 8:25 PM

I enjoyed the show, too. I pegged Jann and the other guy from near the beginning to be the front runners. I am also with the thought process of moving with 6 kids to NYC. I hear stories about single people struggling in that city let alone a 7 person family. More power to her.

I missed a little at the beginning but the guy asked about the contestants health..yikes.

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Posted Feb 9, 2013 @ 10:14 PM

Not only that, but they also asked the guy if he still had cancer. I might be mistaken, but I also thought questions about health were not allowed. If he said yes, would they still have been interested in hiring him?


I missed that, but yes, totally illegal! An HR expert actually posted something to this effect on the show's FB page, too.

As for a way into management---it is and you usually have to work in such a position before you move into a better paying, less gruelling, better hours position. But entry level assistant manager restaurant jobs are pretty commonplace, pay about the same nationwide, with much bigger companies than The Palm.

Also, just checked their website---there's a Palm in Atlanta, so not entirely sure why they wouldn't have just moved things around and put Jann there (or Nashville, or one of their several Flroida locations). They are also the sort of company which, despite asking blatantly illegal questions, requires an extensive, online application before they'll even consider meeting you.

I have no doubt they do a full and deeply invasive background check, as well---because typically the more the prospective employer scrutinizes their candidates, the more the questions skirt the ethical.

Also kinda negates their whole, "we're a wonderful, loving family" thing, doesn't it?

Edited by zumpie, Feb 9, 2013 @ 10:15 PM.


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Posted Feb 11, 2013 @ 5:47 PM

I liked this show but it was cringeworthy, for me. I hate seeing people embarrass themselves or stumble on tv. I actually averted my eyes to my laptop whenever the first woman (Maggie?) was on the screen. Damn near everything she said, from her introduction to her swan song, was a train wreck. I can understand being nervous but she just seemed so unprepared.

As far as the little quiz they gave the applicants goes, I was not impressed. When a person like me can answer the questions correctly, there's no way people in the restaurant business shouldn't have gotten them right.

Edited by taalsi, Feb 11, 2013 @ 5:49 PM.


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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:49 AM

I don't remember where she was currently living

Jann was from Mountain Brook, AL, which is one of the more affluent suburbs of Birmingham, but not the most, by any means. I can't imagine her being able to support her 6 kids in NYC on Asst Mgr pay. I liked her, but was turned off by her comment after the job offer thanking The Palm for giving someone like her, a women, that opportunity. I totally thought she was going full-on to include giving her, a black women, the opportunity. I'm so glad she didn't go there, but after the illegal questions from The Palm, I figured anything goes.

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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:45 PM

I actually happen to be a friend of Lisa's (and was a regular here years ago; I've long since drifted off the boards), so let me tackle what I can.

First and foremost, the jobs on offer are not ever going to be what is generally understood by network reality shows as 'dream jobs'. Lisa considers them so, but that's largely due to the job's positioning rather than what it is outright. The appeal meant by the jobs offered is that they are supposed to be jobs with a lot of growth potential.

I remember Lisa once tweeted to someone, "Life doesn't change; you have to change it." That's what's being projected in the jobs here. She's not going to give you the rainbow. She's going to merely make sure you have the tools you need to make your own (and all the moral support you can handle). You're not getting a crappy dead-end job, but you're not getting the rock-star pinnacle either. You're getting a DECENT job, and then it's on you to make something of it. (She's said if the show lasts long enough, she hopes to show updates on how the applicants are holding up.) The people who don't get offers, well, Davies has said he expects all 40 candidates from the 8-episode season to have offers by the time the season ends.

Second, as far as vetting goes, all the applicants were vetted by the companies before going on the air. The main difference is the companies get to have a more involved and personal look at the finalists. Lisa's stated that several of the companies on the show are actually taking a look at revamping their hiring procedure given their experiences, in order to make the process more personal and less a toss-resumes-into-the-ether thing.

Third, I think it was Burnett who said that when someone needs to relocate to a job they've won on the show, the show will help take care of relocation concerns.

Fourth, regarding the trivia, I chalk it up to the old gameshow adage: it's easy when you're sitting at home watching. Get up in front of a TV camera and answer them and we'll see how many you get right then.

As far as the interview questions... that I have no answer for. Lisa's said there's things about the job interview process she doesn't know either and picked up from taping, and she did hear a fair bit about the questions on her Facebook wall and Twitter account. So it's very possible she just didn't know that was what was going on when it happened- they must not have vetted the interview questions beforehand- and even if she did, at that point I'm really not sure what could have been done about it once the words were out of his mouth. She can't exactly rush out to the middle of the stage and go 'whoa whoa, hold on, you can't ask that'. As time goes on- if the show lives that long; I saw the ratings- I'm sure they're going to put the relevant safeguards in.

Edited by mtvcdm, Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:49 PM.


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Posted Feb 15, 2013 @ 9:42 PM

During my recent job search, I sent in a resume to a vague sounding job posting for a game designer. Unlike most such postings, they didn't ask for fluency and experience in this or that computer programming language (which I don't have. I design board games as a hobby business, and am theoretically interesting in computer game designed but wholly unqualified), they spoke of wanting to find people with passion and innovation. There was also stuff about having to be in the Tri State area for the recorded interview process. I sent in my resume, because why the hell not?

It turns out it was for this show. It took a little bit of google sleuthing to find out the producers of this show, but when I did it made me giggle. Now I'm certainly a consumer of reality shows, and I'm not theoretically opposed to being on a reality show, but I'm not in the right place in my life to be on this reality show. And trying to interview for a job would be just about the most mortifying process I could think of. So I politely declined. They did keep calling to try and convince me to do it. But by then I could just not answer the phone when they called and eventually the calls stopped.

I'm pretty thankful that I'm now happily employed when this show is now airing. I look forward to seeing the episode I would have been on if they'd cast me. Probably Zynga or some such company? The job listing was intentionally vague.

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Posted Feb 15, 2013 @ 10:01 PM

Game designer, yeah, Zynga is the company for that episode. (The gaming news community actually saw that bit of information leak a little early. Someone gave the wrong guy an NDA and he ran off with it.)

Edited by mtvcdm, Feb 15, 2013 @ 10:09 PM.


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Posted Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:38 PM

I saw the one with Cosmo and the two perfect women for the job, the clueless woman who fits into their demographic, the fabulous gay guy and the older woman.

I knew that the gay guy and the older woman probably didn't have a chance at all, and they dispatched her right away. Joanna Coles couldn't have looked more disgusted to have someone over 25 applying for a position with her magazine. Luckily, that candidate admitted to not reading Cosmo in quite awhile.

I didn't find any of the candidates all that impressive, unlike the episode at the Palms, where at least the final two looked way overqualified for an Assistant Manager position. They were nice enough women, but nothing special.

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Posted Feb 16, 2013 @ 8:56 PM

I did feel bad for the older applicant on last night's show. Just watching her smile and face drop in sadness after being criticized for her picture..then her eyes started flooding with tears. I'm such a softie.

I was somewhat thankful that the Cosmo lady didn't criticize the young gal for taking time off to care for her Mom her and also not having twitter/facebook. I pretty much thought she was going to get raked over the coals. I've been through taking care of a sick parent and no one should criticize.

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Posted Feb 16, 2013 @ 9:02 PM

irst and foremost, the jobs on offer are not ever going to be what is generally understood by network reality shows as 'dream jobs'. Lisa considers them so, but that's largely due to the job's positioning rather than what it is outright. The appeal meant by the jobs offered is that they are supposed to be jobs with a lot of growth potential.

I remember Lisa once tweeted to someone, "Life doesn't change; you have to change it." That's what's being projected in the jobs here. She's not going to give you the rainbow. She's going to merely make sure you have the tools you need to make your own (and all the moral support you can handle). You're not getting a crappy dead-end job, but you're not getting the rock-star pinnacle either. You're getting a DECENT job, and then it's on you to make something of it. (She's said if the show lasts long enough, she hopes to show updates on how the applicants are holding up.) The people who don't get offers, well, Davies has said he expects all 40 candidates from the 8-episode season to have offers by the time the season ends.

Second, as far as vetting goes, all the applicants were vetted by the companies before going on the air. The main difference is the companies get to have a more involved and personal look at the finalists. Lisa's stated that several of the companies on the show are actually taking a look at revamping their hiring procedure given their experiences, in order to make the process more personal and less a toss-resumes-into-the-ether thing.

Third, I think it was Burnett who said that when someone needs to relocate to a job they've won on the show, the show will help take care of relocation concerns.

Fourth, regarding the trivia, I chalk it up to the old gameshow adage: it's easy when you're sitting at home watching. Get up in front of a TV camera and answer them and we'll see how many you get right then.

As far as the interview questions... that I have no answer for. Lisa's said there's things about the job interview process she doesn't know either and picked up from taping, and she did hear a fair bit about the questions on her Facebook wall and Twitter account. So it's very possible she just didn't know that was what was going on when it happened- they must not have vetted the interview questions beforehand- and even if she did, at that point I'm really not sure what could have been done about it once the words were out of his mouth. She can't exactly rush out to the middle of the stage and go 'whoa whoa, hold on, you can't ask that'. As time goes on- if the show lives that long; I saw the ratings- I'm sure they're going to put the relevant safeguards in.


1) If it isn't a "dream jobs" (or even beginning to approach it), don't call it that. Also, having watched Lisa on her OTHER job, she would've been the first one in line to bag on companies asking illegal questions and presenting something as other than what it is. Also, an assistant restaurant manager job, particularly for anyone with experience is most assuredly not a job with a lot of growth potential (again, industry vet here). Nor is a job paying $30 -$35K, requiring a 60 hour work week (that IS standard in restaurant management, BTW) a particularly decent job. I spent years NOT moving up because I made more as a server (and trust me, the servers at The Palm probably do very nicely), working 20 hours per week. It wasn't until I tap danced my way over to sales that I had a "decent" job.

2)While I did read online that all the applicants had restaurant experience, I can't possibly imagine where, given their performance during their trailing shifts, besides McDonald's---or MAYBE that some of them had only worked back of the house, as prep people. Cause that was pathetic. Everyone seemed overwhelmed by really basic stuff like serve from the left, clear from the right---not to mention the front runners with "how is that tasting?".

I really was reminded of when I "gave a chance" to dishwasher/prep guy whose previous experience had consisted of working at a Burger King (and we were neither busy, nor fine dining). He was so wildly overwhelmed by, yes, washing dishes halfway efficiently that he didn't last a week. These people came across as that, if not more, green. Whoever does the vetting (if they really do, which I question) for the show should be fired.

3)If Burnett was going to take care of relocation, why would the Palm douche have asked Jann the question?

4) Yes, they were on TV, but again, those were questions that required little, if any restaurant knowledge. It's very standard (nad has been for over 30 years) to have to answer a fairly extensive, much harder quiz in NYC restaurants, just to get an interview as a server, busser or host. If these candidates had halfway professional level experience, they'd know that.

With the illegal interview questions----there's just no excuse: these are two large companies, with an entire litany of attorneys going on national TV. These questions could've been edited out. Normally such things are reviewed by censors and attorneys well before taping. Even more telling of how "not ready for prime time" this show was, several people (including myself) posted negative comments about this on thier FB page. They were all scrubbed the next day. 60 Minutes used to read viewer mail criticizing them ON THE AIR (same network, after all).

It all comes across as wildly unethical and unprofessional. While The Apprentice was overtly abusive to its candidates, these were (presumably) people used to that, who knew Trump's ridiculous ego and expectations---plus at leas they were competing for a six figure job (though admittedly something of the current Mrs. Trump's assistant's assistant, but hey). This is competing for painful mediocrity.

They also premiered at a rather sad 1.1 and fell to a 0.8 last night. I doubt they'll run the full 8 episodes. But if they are, soon the "dream job prize" will be as Walmart Greeter.

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Posted Feb 16, 2013 @ 10:37 PM

Well I think it is a dream job for a 22 year old fresh out of school to get on at Cosmo in any position. If she's bright enough she'll get experience and move up. Sometimes getting your foot in the door is the main thing.

I wonder if this falls under a different category since it's clearly a game show/reality show. Maybe in this format it's not illegal to ask the questions they asked. You may throw away a few rights when you sign up to be on tv. Not sure about that but seems likely to me. It's hard to believe a show like this would have no legal dept.

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Posted Feb 17, 2013 @ 1:44 AM

I wonder if this falls under a different category since it's clearly a game show/reality show. Maybe in this format it's not illegal to ask the questions they asked. You may throw away a few rights when you sign up to be on tv. Not sure about that but seems likely to me. It's hard to believe a show like this would have no legal dept.


Just because you're on TV doesn't mean you've waived your civil rights (which is why those questions were illegal, they violated discrimination and civil rights laws). And they were pretty basic---like anyone who's taken any sort of training class in discrimination and hiring or any HR assistant would know these. It really doesn't matter if you're being hired through a TV show or not, illegal is still illegal.

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Posted Feb 17, 2013 @ 6:13 PM

So it's very possible she just didn't know that was what was going on when it happened- they must not have vetted the interview questions beforehand- and even if she did, at that point I'm really not sure what could have been done about it once the words were out of his mouth. She can't exactly rush out to the middle of the stage and go 'whoa whoa, hold on, you can't ask that'.

Not vetting the interview questions would be bush league. I can't remember a single interview committee I've ever sat on (and I've sat on tons of them) where the questions weren't discussed beforehand. They were put in writing, looked over by everyone on the committee, and tweaked according to feedback. If the people who run this can't be bothered to do the same, they should not be in charge of hiring anyone. They're going to get their companies sued--and they're going to deserve it. For CBS to hide the fact that they were asking illegal questions is an even bigger concern.

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Posted Feb 18, 2013 @ 2:40 AM

A thought occurs.

Maybe, seeing as I know Lisa, and this discussion concerns Lisa, I should maybe go, you know, actually ask Lisa. Doy. (headslap)

Let's see what she has to say about it.

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Posted Feb 18, 2013 @ 12:36 PM

Re: the Cosmopolitan episode:

I've read every issue of Cosmo for the past few years, along with similar fashion/beauty/style/sex/relationship magazines targeted at young women such as Allure, Glamour, and Marie Claire (current Cosmo editor Joanna Coles' previous employer).

The "What's on your Mind" feature that served as the first test on The Job is a new feature in Cosmo, which I think began appearing around the same time Joanna Coles joined. It seems influenced by Marie Claire's monthly "What I Love About Me" feature, which features photographs of stylishly-dressed women in various locales describing some physical attribute about themselves that they like. I have to laugh at a lot of the captions of the "What's on your Mind" feature - who really brings up global warming or health care out of the blue when you run into them on the street and ask what they're thinking about? But I digress.

Even though I know the "What's on your Mind" feature is new, and this episode was filmed in advance, how could these candidates be so clueless about the desired content and target audience of Cosmo? In the actual feature, the standard shot is a full-length shot of the person standing (to show off their stylish outfit from head to toe), seldom features male subjects, and NEVER is an elaborately posed shot with a bunch of unkempt-looking strangers pulled into the picture. It makes me think that none of the candidates even reads Cosmo on a regular basis. I read upthread about someone here being recruited for this show with a vague job posting, but hopefully they tell you who you're interviewing for before the interview starts, so there should be some time to prepare, if only to grab Cosmo at a newsstand in New York and read it cover to cover in your hotel room before filming.

In that vein, what was up with the way the candidates were dressed for the studio part of the show? I know the clothes were probably not their own and were probably selected by stylists for the show, but are they trying to sabotage the candidates? The winner was dressed fashionably in an on-trend outfit that might appear in Cosmo (the bright pant), the runner-up was in a suit, the guy was in a TURBAN, the other young woman was in an unflattering, loose-fitting outfit, and the older woman was in a stylish outfit that might have been too young for her (the leather pencil skirt).

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Posted Feb 18, 2013 @ 9:35 PM

Blink and you missed it.

ABC pulls "The Job" from its schedule.

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Posted Feb 19, 2013 @ 12:05 AM

Who would've thunk it? A poorly researched, cheap looking show with low ratings and inappropriate/illegal questions from the "professionals" got cancelled. Go figure!

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Posted Feb 19, 2013 @ 3:05 AM

...yeah, I'm not overly shocked. I hoped it would succeed, but Do No Harm pulled the same numbers and it got yanked in... well, two episodes. Oh well. There's still Our America. Reality isn't Lisa's wheelhouse anyway.

Though it is Michael Davies and Mark Burnett's wheelhouse.

Thing was, I actually applied myself. (I was worried about potential conflict of interest and asked Lisa about it, she said I wouldn't be the first acquaintance of hers to apply. I'm pretty sure none of them got on. I sure as hell didn't; I wound up downright ashamed of my own application video as I was still watching it. I don't use my webcam for anything but taking Facebook headshots, it took me an hour and a half to psyche myself up to hit play and I'm not used to the sound of my own voice. I may very well have literally been the last-place applicant.) When I applied, all that had been revealed were the industries, not the companies. The companies weren't revealed until taping was over and the episodes were in the can. And it was presented in the form of 'do you want to work in X industry'. You were, however, asked in the application to state what company you most wanted to work for given the opportunity. (I put down National Geographic, though had I known Major League Soccer was going to be one of the companies, I could see myself putting that down instead.) I'm not sure how much prep time the chosen candidates got after they found out the company they were up for. I probably will never know now. They certainly didn't know who the guest companies were until they got on stage; that was plainly visible. Given the name recognition of the Palm, it's entirely possible nobody put the Palm down in their application. Although surely someone listed Cosmo.

Still waiting on Lisa, by the way, not that it matters much now. (Sometimes I have to wait a bit to get a response and sometimes I don't get one.)

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Posted Feb 22, 2013 @ 7:06 PM

Any chance they'll burn off the remaining eps?