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[fionab]

So just how real is reality tv?

[adhoc]

One of the funnier moments tonight: Selma kisses Sean, then they cut to her asking her mom to forgive her for kissing a man on national tv, but she just had to "bring out the big guns". I guess by "big guns" she was referring to kissing Sean, but in my mind, the only big guns I saw were those boobs popping out of the top of her low-cut dress.

[LakeGal]

Selma went home because she was too high maintenance for Sean. He likes the outdoorsy type that is ready for anything. She thought it was too hot on one date and too cold on the other. Sean doesn't like the type.

Sean is still being a sucker with Tierra. She finds a way to make it all about her everytime. While the other girls and Sean were wrapping in robes and shiny blankets. Tierra was running around in her bikini and not following instructions. Then she puts on a good act of being just hurt enough to get attention from Sean, but not enough to go to the hospital and miss anything. Does Sean not see this pattern with her?

I enjoyed this ep because I have been to Lake Louise a few times and stayed there and done the canoeing, etc. So it was interesting for that.

[Vexer]

Yeah isn't it just as shameful for Selma's boobs to be popping out of her dress than to give him a peck? No? Whatever.

I still cannot believe he kept Tierra. After the drama. Again. And the constant bitchface. I didn't believe her hypothermia any more than I did the dead boyfriend. I think she decided to milk it for all it was worth. I have gotten to that point you get so chilled you get the body shakes. You have a warm drink, put on warm clothes and are fine. It obviously wasn't serious enough to go to the hospital. Her body temp was fine. She is drama. Please god let her go away next week.

Felt a little bad for Sarah but thank god this is over for her. Canoeing? Really? After roller derby and carrying straw bales? Really? And poor Daniella. Pretty but not that bright.

So 2 go next week to 4 for hometowns? Hmmm. My front runners are firmly Lindsey and Catherine. Des and Lesley are in there too and I can't figure out where Ashlee fits. I see Tierra finally going home next week. Please?

[Higgie]

Oh, that was so sad when he let Sarah go.  She is so beautiful and seems so sweet- I hope she finds that special guy out there.  I do think it was nice that he thought enough of her to let her go that way.  This whole Tierra stuff is such  bullshit and I am so sick of her drama!  Is this guy a complete moron?  I am hoping she is a plant, but after Courtney- who knows?!  I really see that he lights up when he is with Catherine- they seem very at ease with one another.  I do think he likes Des a lot too, but I'm not sure if it may be more of a "friend" vibe

Also, these extreme sporting dates suck - I would hate doing any of those things- repelling down mountains, climbing up mountains. swimming in ice cold water- no thank you! The igloo date was so romantic...

Edited by Higgie, Feb 5, 2013 @ 11:51 PM.

[coconutcookie]

Yes, Sarah is sweet and very pretty and I hope she finds someone fabulous, but I found her voice annoying and it really bugs me when people say "thank yow" instead of "thank you."

[fionab]

Okay, so I like Sarah, I think she is awesome, but I really think she needs to get some perspective. Many women don't hear that 'they are amazing' when every guy dumps them, most get much crummier treatment.

And I see that was tough and game and literally could do anything the other girls could do (seriously, she canoed! and polar bear plunged!), but her attitude kinda sucked. Whenever Sean pulled her aside, she was super negative about it. When her dog was brought in specially for her, she freaked out saying, 'am i going home?' and never really got over it to enjoy the special treat she got from Sean. When they went rollerblading and she was bad at it (but no worse than the other girls, really) she freaked out and wanted major reassurance. When he pulled her aside tonight, she started with 'Am I in trouble?'. Sigh.

So my advice for Sarah is to go to therapy, get some perspective and recognize that you kick ass, and stop trying to base your self worth on your ability to reel in a man. Especially when that man is also dating 24 other women. Her exit was really sad though.

Speaking of therapy - AshLee, I think you need some too. That blindfold trick gave me the heebyjeebies.

Sean lights up around Catherine but doesn't do that with anyone else. She seems to be way out in the lead.

ETA: holy smokes. Lesley has a smoking figure. I didnt foresee that she would look so much better in a bathing suit than Tierra and Daniella.

Edited by fionab, Feb 6, 2013 @ 12:36 AM.

[msburg]

I found it very difficult to buy into Sean's whole -- Sarah deserves better than waiting around two days to be eliminated stuff. Seriously??? If she deserves so much, why did you make her do something that she had physical difficulty with on every frickin' date? Sean, it wasn't your job to challenge her or push her -- I'm sure she manages to find obstacles every stinking day of her life. It was quite sad to listen to her departing video -- she questioned her self worth yet again, exactly because of the way he handled it.

[Maddingcrowd]

S

ean, it wasn't your job to challenge her or push her -- I'm sure she manages to find obstacles every stinking day of her life. It was quite sad to listen to her departing video -- she questioned her self

Sean didn't do any of that. The producers of the show think of every date, every time. In every season of the bachelor/ette their have been many physical challenges including rock climbing, swimming with sharks, cliff diving etc. None of the Bachelors sit down and say things like "What can I do that is dangerous to this girl?" These dates are planned out way before the show starts. I actually thought Sara did well on all the challenges but if she didn't want to do this kind of stuff she should not have come on the show


Glad to see Sara sent home; it must have been very awkward for Sean to like her but just not in that way. I really don't think he likes Tierra either although he acts like he does so I have to assume some of it is for dramatic purposes.

I did laugh when all of the other girls came away from the Polar Bear plunge perfectly fine, but Tierra once again was almost comatose.

Still like Sean and don't agree that he is stupid or an idiot. He is a college graduate and makes a decent living. To me someone stupid would have a very borderline IQ and would be a dishwasher or something. Also: being tall and big doesn't equal stupid, I know because I'm married to someone very tall, very blonde and not stupid. Of course no one who goes on these shows is a genus either.

Glad Selma is gone too. You can't come out and say your parent's religious beliefs are so important to you then wear a pound of makeup, excessive cleavage and then kiss the Bachelor when you said you cannot do so. She seems way too high maintenance for Sean. Still liking Catherine, Ashlee and Lindsay for his final three (I really like Des and think she is beautiful but just not sure Sean does).

Edited by Maddingcrowd, Feb 6, 2013 @ 12:42 AM.

[Kali12]

I thought the women's enthusiasm for it after the fact was kind of cool and inspiring--because it sure wouldn't have appealed to me!

Along those lines, props to Selma for standing up to peer pressure.

Also, this show's producers (and, imo, Sean) LOVE to have the women be uncomfortable in various challenging activities--imo, some of them risky;

re: Tierra. Was she disoriented when she came out? Is that why she was running around in her bikini so long? And why didn't they put a robe on her? That ..mylar?.. blanket was covering so little of her. Was that really the best and most professional response?

Sorry Sarah was so disappointed, but surely she could see it coming. There are several women (inc. Tierra) that he obviously seems to feel more for. Why -would- he keep her?

[BookBee]

[Selma] thought it was too hot on one date and too cold on the other. Sean doesn't like the type.

This made me LOL -- Selma may indeed be "high maintenance," but there's a difference between being whiny and having a legitimate complaint. I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to express discomfort with temperature extremes, and there is no way in hell I would ever do a "polar bear plunge." That shit can stop your heart. I say props to Selma for refusing. Ostensibly these women should be winning over the guy with their personality; these "extreme sports" stunts and challenges make it seem more like some kind of gladitorial competition than anything else. Last woman standing wins! In the real world, most people would admire someone who is strong enough to say "I'm not willing to do [fill in the blank] just to impress this douche," yet in bizarro world (that is, the world of The Bachelor), they get derided for not risking life and limb. Here's something I'd like for this franchise to acknowledge, just once: some people are not spontaneous, up-for-anything, wild-and-crazy adventurers, and that's okay. I guess it doesn't make for great television but you can still be a really fun person and not, for example, be willing to go cliff diving.

All that being said in praise of Selma, I really can't imagine that if her parents would be any more okay with her showing ample cleavage than they would be with her giving a dude a peck on the lips. Personally the latter seems a lot more benign to me, but I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

Edited by BookBee, Feb 6, 2013 @ 1:33 AM.

[superpole2000]

Did Sean kiss everyone at the final party? I suppose that's normal for this show, but it still seems extremely abnormal and awkward to me. I can just imagine the women asking each other what lip balms they are using to see who they are tasting on Sean's lips.

Now that Gorgeous Jackie is gone, I'm throwing my support behind Lindsay. She seems fun, cheerful, and genuine. If she's the next bachelorette, I'm signing up for her season.

[greyhorse]

Montana and then Lake Louise... wow, that was two episodes of some gorgeous scenery. Makes me want to go visit some time. I like that Sean has a true appreciation for nature and the outdoors, probably more so than any Bachelor that has ever been on the show.

Sarah - I felt so sorry for her. I think she gets the "you're so incredible and one day you're going to make somebody very very happy" line because she's sweet and who wants to hurt a girl with one arm while breaking up with her? It's the soft landing that any decent guy would give her.

BrigetteWilsonSampras/BritneySpears/Daniella was way too emotional. How many times did we see her cry during her talking heads? She was probably one of the most insecure women left. She needs a therapist.

Selma's "big guns" sure were out tonight. Who knows if she had done the polar plunge if the outcome would have been different. Guess it's 'against her culture' to kiss a guy on national tv, but you can have your fake boobs popping out and you can simulate hand jobs.

AshLee - you are really starting to bring the crazy. I'm thinking you need some therapy too. I had no idea what the heck she was saying with the blindfold crap. If it's not Tierra next, then I think it's AshLee.

Tierra - All the girls jumped on her for faking it, but there were some scenes were hands were trembling and her eyes looked glazed. But I do think that the rest of it back in the room with the oxygen prongs in her nose was indeed her milking the situation. I think she'll be cut right before hometown dates.

I'm picking Lindsey for the win. If she doesn't win this, then I think she's a shoe-in for the next Bachelorette.

[GlamSnooky]

Sean peed in a drawer when he was four... Years ago I looked out our window and caught my four-year-old peeing in the street. What's the deal with little boys peeing inappropriately?

And what's the deal with women going on this show for therapy? (Ashlee, I'm looking at you and your blindfold.)

I say props to Selma for refusing. Ostensibly these women should be winning over the guy with their personality; these "extreme sports" stunts and challenges make it seem more like some kind of gladitorial competition than anything else. Last woman standing wins! In the real world, most people would admire someone who is strong enough to say "I'm not willing to do [fill in the blank] just to impress this douche," yet in bizarro world (that is, the world of The Bachelor), they get derided for not risking life and limb. Here's something I'd like for this franchise to acknowledge, just once: some people are not spontaneous, up-for-anything, wild-and-crazy adventurers, and that's okay.

It's weird, isn't it? Apparently couch potatoes and desk jockeys have no right to "true love." "True love" can only be found if you're a hairs-breadth from instant death. I know they think it makes for better TV, but it doesn't have to be downright life-threatening. Not that Tierra's life was actually threatened -- I'm not even sure she had hypothermia.

Selma had the oddest laugh!

Yes, Sarah is sweet and very pretty and I hope she finds someone fabulous, but I found her voice annoying and it really bugs me when people say "thank yow" instead of "thank you."

Thank yow for saying that! My current bugaboo is misuse of prepositions: Ashlee's "I don't want him to fall victim of her manipulations," in just one case.

Did anyone notice a giant ring that looked like an engagement ring on Catherine's left hand when she hugged Sean? This was right after he got out of the snow bus. I froze it on my DVR, it was definitely on her ring finger, left hand. It has a double band like engagement/wedding sets do. It caught my eye, but I don't really think it means anything. (Cue conspiracy music) Or does it? Muaaaaahhahahaha...

Edited by GlamSnooky, Feb 6, 2013 @ 4:09 AM.

[LennieB]

For me (for you, tm Randy), Sean's kissing Catherine on the cheek "just because" is indicative of his TRUE affection for her; he can't help himself!

High maintenance or not, IMO Sean was never, ever going to pick Selma.

Nor is he going to pick Tierra, if he wants a life not spent placating her.

These are "dates"? I think those who conjure them up have a very questionable mentality in asking young women (and Sean!) to perform literally death-defying actions with no prior training. I mean, when the show needs an EMT on hand....

Still like Sean and don't agree that he is stupid or an idiot. He is a college graduate and makes a decent living.... Also: being tall and big doesn't equal stupid

I think anyone attaching these terms to Sean is referring to his "women smarts," not his formal education, employment, or size (has anyone even suggested the last is a negative for him? It's not like Sean is The Hulk.).

Edited by LennieB, Feb 6, 2013 @ 6:35 AM.

[Nuthatch1]

I was actually completely furious watching that last night. The women were cold already, from the canoe ride, and then to ask them to Polar Plunge in icy glacier waters of under 32 degrees? The only one with common sense was Selma and I would have done the same. Props to her for not giving in to peer pressure.

Personally, I think it is insane that the producers think asking inexperienced women to climb rock faces, repel down rock faces, swim in 32 degrees, etc., is asking for a serious accident. I don't believe any of Tierra's shenanigans, but I do think someone could have a serious catastrophe with what is being asked of these women.

And I can't stand how Sean thinks it's so great to "push" the women "out of their comfort zone". Since when are physical challenges the only way to do that, and why is pushing oneself physically a fun way to spend a date?

And Tierra belongs in a treatment center for mental illness, not on a TV show. She looks crazy in every shot. I'd be worried being in the same house with her.

[rivermet]

I caved. Just a few comments.

Way to go Selma for not feeling pressured into doing that plunge. I was proud of her.

I did not think what he did to Sarah was in any way "nice" or "considerate." It actually infuriated me. He blindsided her after a nice date in which she had no idea anything was coming. At least when the women go to the rose ceremony they prepare mentally for a possible departure. He added unnecessary pain there singling her out and kicking her to the curb in front of everyone after a full day.

Catherine seems to be the frontrunner. I love Lesley. She is my pick for Bachelorette if she doesn't win. Girl is smart, beautiful and funny. She could hold a show.

[Alexa]

Totally agree nuthatch1. I was really annoyed at the extremes of these dates. Why can't they all just have time to hang out and actually do something fun and relaxing? A polar bear plunge, and we should all want to do this? And is it really a once in a lifetime opportunity? No....you could potentially do it most places in the winter time if you really wanted to. Although I am unsure of whether Tierra was faking it or not--given that fact that any one of them could have gotten hypothermia, it just reiterated for me how stupid the date activity was. Why should they have to suffer over a guy just to prove they might be a good wife?

To me, he is really becoming an a**hole.

I also agree with the above about Sarah...sending her home early was embarrassing, not nice. It was like saying--I know so surely that I don't want you around anymore that I am getting rid of you now versus in two days. Lovely.

[Vexer]

As much as I agree these dates are ridiculous, Sean has NOTHING to do with the planning of them nor very much with picking who goes on what. These are producer manipulations and I feel bad for Sarah on the extreme group dates but no way was she going to get a one on one date so she gets the adventure group dates. But yeah, I see the point of dumping her days early being unnecessary. She was enjoying time with her new friends at least.

Daniella is definitely insecure and I kept yelling at her when she was moaning about not having a one on one "he doesn't like you!!"

You can fake glazed eyes. The body shakes can come from being really chilled and in wet clothes. I still think she way exaggerated. If it were serious she'd have gone to the hospital.

Sean is not stupid nor an idiot on the IQ scale but he ain't that bright on the common sense or people skills scale.

Love Lesley!! I'd totally watch her as the Bette. I like to think she's one I would only like more such as Jillian or Merrdith.

[torreador]

Ditto to all the above. It would have been a lot less humiliating for Sarah to have been eliminated at the rose ceremony than being singled out like that. "I want you gone so badly I can't even be bothered to keep you around for the cocktail party where I will have to pretend to like you before kicking you to the curb."

At least he's not a Ben level of loathsome "I have no conversational skills so rather than have an awkward discussion, I'll make out with you before the rose ceremony so I don't have to talk and then I'll dump you."

Regarding the polar bear swim, hundreds if not thousands of people around the world do them on New Years Day, often for charity, at least where I live. In properly controlled circumstances, they are not dangerous,unless you are a idiot like Tierra of feels that rules do not apply to her. Of course I'm not saying everyone should have been pushed to do it. I certainly wouldn't want to do it. I hate the cold. I used to live in Calgary and I don't know if I ever went to Lake Louise in the winter. FYI, it's just as lovely in the summer.

[over30patheticgroupie]

I've said it before, I think Sean is a bit of a sadist. Yes the activities and practical jokes are planned by producers, but I would be uncomfortable with somebody who gets such a kick out of putting people in awkward situations. I am glad for the remaining women that they get to go some place warm where hopefully no more daring stunts are required (except for maybe dodging the lizard tongue).

My favorite for awhile has been Lesley. She is aggressive though, she piped up first about sitting in the canoe with Sean, grabbed his hand for the polar bear water plunge, and I notice she tries to seat herself next to him. But I am getting more of a friend vibe from Sean so she may not be F1.

[coconutcookie]

After Des' tale of living in a series tents, trailer parks and little apartments, I wonder what her hometown date will be like and what her parents are like. IMO Sean has the strongest, most affectionate connection with her so she is my favorite to get the FR.

Edited by coconutcookie, Feb 6, 2013 @ 8:34 AM.

[over30patheticgroupie]

Did you notice the shot of poor weak Tierra chomping down on a burger? I don't think the producers like her either.

Catherine was bouncing around on the bus and playing in the snow like a kid and I think that appealed to Sean. I didn't think she got much of a date but Sean was probably pleased that she is easy and up for anything. I would't want to be on this season when most dates involve stunts or sitting somewhere freezing.

[welsch515]

What annoys me about the extreme challenges is not that the producers expect the women to perform dangerous stunts with no training or preparation, but that the women and Sean all latch onto this goofy idea that performing said stunt is a deep metaphor for building a lasting, loving relationship -- overcoming fears and bonding with each other, etc.

[rivermet]

What's wrong with bowling or putt putt or playing pool or a fun dance class. Tons of things to do that don't need medics on hand.

[JudyObscure]

Even for The Bachelor there's just something weird about statements like, "I had a moment of clarity. You six are the women for me." Will this show provide us with a "Sister-Wives," spin-off?

I expect Ashley to be the next to go and I'm glad. I think she's a diamond, insecurities or not, and I want someone better for her.

I also think my other early pick, Desiree may not make the final four.

At this point, I think my money would be on Tierra. When she's not hogging the attention for herself the other women are directing it to her. When will they learn? Sean says he doesn't like drama but he blames the other women for causing it. Frankly, I think Tierra could jab needles in the backs of the other women and Sean wouldn't care. She's mastered the knack of standing inside his personal space while glowing up at him with her eyes and boobs sparkling at the same time. As Selma said to the other girls Sunday, "Be scared."

[chanel1412]

How was Daniella in shock when Sean sent her home? Did she honestly think she would make it over the women who had actually established a connection with Sean? Part of me thinks that Daniella is just plain dumb... HOW could she think that she would stay when the other women clearly are his favorites?

I thought it was odd that Tierra, of all the girls, got "hypothermia" - to me, she has the most insulation. I wouldn't call her fat by any means, but I would call her "thick" with a few extra "layers."

[SaberTail]

I guess by "big guns" she was referring to kissing Sean, but in my mind, the only big guns I saw were those boobs popping out of the top of her low-cut dress.

This TH segment actually made me LOL, it was so full of "double" (D) meaning.

Even for The Bachelor there's just something weird about statements like, "I had a moment of clarity. You six are the women for me."

Judy, I caught that, too. "You six are the women for me" is one of the best sentences to come out of this franchise.

When the women were being driven in to the lodge at the beginning of the show, Sean's VO ended with "one of these women could be my wife" (paraphrase) and the video ended with a close up of Catherine. Producer manipulation or ... ?

I forgot to mention on Monday's thread that Montana is my absolutely most favorite place EVAH. I nearly cried when I had to fly home from Bozeman after a business trip. But Alberta and Banff ... good grief. Absolutely GORGEOUS. Breathtaking scenery.

And because of that, I agree that it was especially cruel to send Sarah home early. So she wouldn't have to "sit around for two days" before being kicked out? Really? I'd be happy to sit at that lodge for a month without a single thought of going on a date with Sean.

Sarah's exit was the first one I've ever felt badly for the outcast. Her exit speech was heartrending, although as another posted, she needs to feel good about herself and not let herself depend on having a man to being a complete person. There is some truth to the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for," Sarah! Although if she's always been put in a corner (TM Baby) because of her one-arm-ness, her doing all these physically challenging stunts should help her feel more self-worth. I hope, anyway. If she's reading here, you do need to work on that nasally voice, though. That's the big drag, not the arm.

No exit TH for Daniella? Just "I'm so confused." That gal was confused a lot for sure.

Got a kick out of Selma. She's a desert person, no cold swimming for her. Yet at Joshua Tree she hated the heat and desert. Selma hates all kinds of weather! Although good on her for refusing the polar dip even if it did mean she got sent home. Or maybe it was that kiss that sent her home; Sean decided it wasn't worth the wait.

Total BS on T's fakery fake hypothermia. Polar bear dips are done all the time and in conditions WAY colder than 32F. It's a New Year's Day tradition here, IF they can get the ice hacked out enough to find water. Hypothermia doesn't happen in two minutes, either. That was a producer set up, which is why they had the EMT and other "medical" person there. T was in on it but no one else was so their horrified reactions could be filmed. It was just another Fleiss manipulation.

Although Sean was funny later when T came to the party and Sean took her hand: "Your hand is warm" and T replied, "But my body is still so cold inside." (paraphrase) So true!

Noticed that Sean's cold-weather dates have agreed with his coloring, but Lobster Sean returns next episode.

[Gallifrey78]

Sarah's exit was the first one I've ever felt badly for the outcast. Her exit speech was heartrending, although as another posted, she needs to feel good about herself and not let herself depend on having a man to being a complete person. There is some truth to the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for," Sarah! Although if she's always been put in a corner (TM Baby) because of her one-arm-ness, her doing all these physically challenging stunts should help her feel more self-worth.

Or not. She's been puttin' with those crappy physical dates, overcomes a lot more that those other "women" and she's the one put aside. And yet, Tierra is still here. When sociopath wins over handicaped, it musts break any kind of confidence you have.
That was a heartbreaking exit. I can see why she feels cursed. The friendzone girl.

[SaberTail]

Did you notice the shot of poor weak Tierra chomping down on a burger? I don't think the producers like her either.

Producers were really after T this episode. That, plus the back-and-forths between T's faked "hypothermia" and the other women being so pumped about Polar Diving that they wanted to do it again ... Priceless.

After Des' tale of living in a series tents, trailer parks and little apartments, I wonder what her hometown date will be like and what her parents are like.

It was edited to seem like Sarah totally scared Sean with her family photos. His VO said something to that effect, that thinking about any of these women actually having FAMILY was more than he could deal with. Made me wonder how he'll handle any of the hometowns much less Des'. Although her tree-climbing skills rocked.

I also wonder whether he'll bring any roadkill along for his future mom-in-law to fry up for dinner at those HTs.