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[AimingforYoko]

Raylan's hunt for his stolen money leads to a confrontation with a brawler; Boyd and Ava face a decision that threatens to destroy them.

Ellen May ain't as dumb as she appears.
Raylan, there's a lot of adjectives I'd use to describe you, but before now I'd never use pathetic. Rachel, on the other hand was awesome.

[ReadIshmael]

I was thinking earlier in the episode that it was weird for them to cast Eldard just to have him be a goon with few lines; the final scene was a pleasant surprise for that reason, and because it seems like finally Ellen Mae wised up a bit. She was breaking my heart, feeling so grateful to be allowed to come home, not realizing that she was actively campaigning against herself. I hope she gets away.

Raylan and Rachel were fun together. The story was pretty inconsequential, but I enjoyed it. I laughed my ass off at Raylan shooting Randall again for saying the word "chicken."

[loki567]

Am I the only one wondering if the preacher's still alive? There seemed to be something missing from that storyline and the sister's reaction to it. And then Ellen May shows more smarts from her than we've ever seen from her and bails from her execution, I wonder if she got sent back as a double agent or something.

[benteen]

Hey, Ellen May got some smarts after all.

These past two episodes remind me of the Winona evidence room money two-parter from season 2. A two-episode diversion. The weakest episode of the season but still entertaining with two clear storylines tonight. I laughed pretty hard when Raylan shot Randall again and of course in Harlan County, Randall's dream would be to be a cockfight manager. The guy Rachel hit with a nightstick is another example of how well this show casts small parts. Nice to see more of Rachel.

I liked the Boyd/Ava stuff with Ellen May a lot too.

Edited by benteen, Jan 29, 2013 @ 11:21 PM.

[deb50]

"any fool that doesnt see that grifter Barbie coming a mile off deserves getting his ass fleeced " HA! Not a great day for Raylan.

You were almost out Ellamae.....but you couldnt stop jabbering.

Edited by deb50, Jan 30, 2013 @ 7:17 AM.

[chailey]

Ava has officially passed the point of no redemption. I wonder what tipped off Ellen May--the phone call? Was she the one tapping on the bathroom door? Poor girl's dumb as a box of rocks, so she probably wont make it far.

Speaking of boxes of rocks...Can Raylan get any more stupid when it comes to women? He's smart enough to be philosophical on the lost money, though. No point in crying over spilt milk, lost money, or a van full of chickens.

[buttersister]

Whoa, so Colton is no Little Silvio and Ella Mae's not Adriana. I was nervous there for a moment.

Has Timothy O lost weight or is Raylan just looking a little more frail to me this season?

[babyblackcat]

I laughed my ass off at Raylan shooting Randall again for saying the word "chicken."

Me too!
Oh Raylan, sometimes you are so very stupid. But still badass. How is that possible?
Loved having so much Rachel in this one, and that she was willing to go with Raylan on his quest.

Sheriff Shelby, seems you are indeed a circle. And never going to get out from under Boyd's thumb.

It made me sad that Boyd and Ava decided to do that. When they said Coulton would be driving her, I figured he was ordered to take her out - didn't see her escape coming though, nice twist. I hope she gets away, but I suspect she'll be back at an inopportune moment - now not only does she still have major dirt on Ava, but knows they were sending her off to be killed too. The actress playing her has done a really great job, glad they kept her around.

I hope Lindsay is gone for good now. I much prefer Raylan tangling with Duffy, Boyd, and his father, and doing his marshal thing with Art, Tim and Rachel and the interesting criminals this show dreams up.

Edited by babyblackcat, Jan 29, 2013 @ 11:37 PM.

[PictureItSicily]

I'm sorry, but I can't buy Ellen May being smart enough to figure out her life was in danger. Are we sure she ran? Could she have been taken? Either way, definitely did not see the twist coming.

I hope this Lindsay BS is over with. The whole storyline lowered Raylan to a level of pathetic and needy that makes me uncomfortable.

[virgo79]

I'm calling it right now -- Cassie has Ellen Mae. (I don't think she wised up -- I think she was grabbed.)

The whole Boyd/Ava/Ellen Mae story kept me wondering, I'll say that. I'm wondering, though, if it was Boyd or Ava who gave the final thumbs down.

Good, good scene with Colton at the end. I don't know if I think he would have gone through with it or not, had she still been out there.

I actually thought Rachael was gonna be the one to show up and save Raylan's ass.

Next week: shit.

[thuganomics85]

Well played, show. I thought for sure Ellie May was a goner throughout the episode. But, apparently, she isn't that big of an idiot after all. I do wonder how she figured it out. Did she noticed the change in Colton, perhaps? Or did she know there was no way Ava would take her back and that she and Boyd were lying to her? Or maybe it's a big misdirect and she was taken (maybe Cassie figured out Shelby was gaming her, and figured out they referring to Ellie May.) Curious. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if this comes back into play.

I hope this is it for the Lindsay story-line. Not a fan over how she got away and how dumb and needy Raylan came off. I bought Raylan getting duped, but that just took it to an entire different level. Still, this episode has some redeeming moments: Rachel going along for most of it and their scenes were golden. Navi Rawat (the bartender) was kind of random for a decently known actress (at least to me), but I enjoyed her few lines. And, of course, Raylan shooting Randall after saying chickens again.

No Tim or Art was a minus, although I loved Raylan mentioning Art would probably have a stroke if both Rachel and Raylan didn't show up for work.

Weakest episode of the season so far, IMO. Hopefully, it will pick back up with the return of Arlo, some Boyd/Duffy scenes, and I believe that was Vasquez in the previews as well! Yay, Vasquez!

Edited by thuganomics85, Jan 30, 2013 @ 12:14 AM.

[nicodelaney]

I didn't see it as a weak episode. Episodes that seem that way often turn out to be essential, and this one already seems that way to me because of the dynamic of Rachel and Raylan working together as they did, and especially because of the impact of the whole Ellen May situation on Ava. And then there's Cassie.

[Atomic Clock]

Alan Sepinwall's review of the episode.

I wonder if Ellen May will call Raylan for help.

On average, Raylan gets one ass-whoopin' per season. The beanbag gun was pure Justified gold. Please, please let this be the last of Lindsey!!!

Rachel is officially the second coolest woman ever to grace the show. Sorry, but Mags is still number one.

[SDcat2009]

The sooner Ava dies, the happier I'll be. It's just massively unfortunate there is no Mags Apple Pie for Ava to enjoy.

More Rachel and Raylan please and thank you. With some Tim and Art.

[Mars477]

Oh hey, Navi Rawat!

We are going to see Gina again, right? Right?

"I'm thinking you should've seen this coming." Rachel, speaking the truth. Poor, pathetic Raylan.

[cyberpumpkin]

Was the bag of drugs that Colton snorted from in the gas station bathroom Duffy's heroin? The baggie kind of looked like it had that design on it that Boyd identified as Duffy's product.

[mrk63]

"I'm thinking you should've seen this coming." Rachel, speaking the truth. Poor, pathetic Raylan.

God, yes.

Here's to Raylan keeping it in his pants for the rest of the season. Hey, I like seeing half-naked Timothy Olyphant as much as the next girl, but it seems to me that the more he gets laid, the stupider he becomes. Just show him getting in or out of the shower every other episode and we'll all be happy.

Someone mentioned they thought Cassie might have grabbed Ellen May. I hadn't thought of that...but I hope so.

Boyd and Ava are no longer the criminals I kind of root for in a twisted sort of way. I could justify killing Devil, but ordering the death of Ellen May...those two have lost their humanity. I am actually anxious for a showdown with Raylan where one of them winds up dead. Although that probably won't happen any time soon.

[virgo79]

Re. Colton's drugs -- I don't think you can snort heroin. (Isn't that why UT keeled over in "Pulp Fiction?")

I love, love, LOVED Raylan and Rachael in this -- and I don't say that with any kind of designs on them coupling up. I just loved them as a team. I adored the unassuming, nonchalant way Rachael took charge at the beginning and initiated their little field trip, and Raylan -- circumstances notwithstanding -- actually looked something like delighted when she tossed him his keys. And they played so perfectly off each other throughout -- there was no tension or grappling for control of the situation; they both just clicked into place, and found a rhythm. *That's* a partnership.

I loved Rachael giving him the beanbag gun right before she left -- and the fact that Raylan accepted it without argument reflected well on both of them. She was curbing his destructiveness, but not in a domineering way. and I really liked that Raylan didn't want her missing work -- even though I would have loved a little more of them yet. That showed a tremendous amount of consideration on his part, and it made me feel like Rachael was a good influence on him. (Raylan, pay attention: you stick with her, kiddo; she's good for you.)

The friendship bewteen these two definitely needs to be explored more. I enjoyed the hell out of them together. And Rachael herself was just phenomenal in this ep: capable, kind, kickass and tempering in turns and as needed, and always with that serenity ET brings to the part.

[Navin]

I loved Rachel hitting the chicken man with a baton. Karen Sisco did the same thing to a thug in Leonard's Out of Sight.

[benteen]

Someone mentioned they thought Cassie might have grabbed Ellen May. I hadn't thought of that...but I hope so.

That would make a lot of sense. But she would have had to have been following Boyd closely for that. Maybe she does have those kind of resources.

I did love when Raylan walked in on the conversation with Rachel and that fighter chick (can't remember her name) asking if he got in the middle of something and she responded "I bet you'd like that."

Raylan has been constantly prone to mistakes and bad judgement on this show but I don't appreciate him being Dewey Crowe-level stupid with Lindsey.

[taiko]

Re. Colton's drugs -- I don't think you can snort heroin. (Isn't that why UT keeled over in "Pulp Fiction?")

More like that it was her first time use and she overdosed thinking she was doing coke. It is more cost effective to shoot up and smoking may be safer by not burning off whatever was mixed into the drugs. But the Coulton was in a hurry and trying to prepare himself to murder someone he knew and snorting was the fastest way. Although in most movies a killer would snort some kind a stimulant and not heroin to pump himself up for the evil deed. It is when they need a fix that heroin addicts are dangerous not after they use like other drug users.

Edited by taiko, Jan 30, 2013 @ 8:29 AM.

[SnowFox]

For a smart guy, Boyd sure has some dumb people working for him which means Boyd isn’t quite as smart as he could be. Same for Raylan. For a smart guy, he can be unbelievably stupid. I was bored by the entire Raylan/Lindsey SL this episode even though Rachel got screen time.

[ElymianDucat]

Oh Raylan, sometimes you are so very stupid. But still badass. How is that possible?

The thing is, Raylan is like a hammer. When you need to drive a nail into a wall, there's no better tool. But if you start trying to use the hammer for anything else, you'll only end up breaking things.

[attica finch]

I loved Rachel hitting the chicken man with a baton. Karen Sisco did the same thing to a thug in Leonard's Out of Sight.

Me, too. I remembered how much I wanted a collapsable baton back in the day. I don't s'pose you can take them through airports, though. More's the pity. Anyways, the point is: Awesome Marshal Rachel is awesome.

I'd never seen a shotgun shaped like that before, so I was sorta expecting the bean-bag ordnance. I didn't expect how much that whole confrontation would make me laugh, though.

'Grifter Barbie' would be an excellent toy.

[mzwinter]

Double post, sorry.

Edited by mzwinter, Jan 30, 2013 @ 10:52 AM.

[fauntleroy]

I don't really see how Ellen May's threatened ratting out would pose much of a threat to Ava and Boyd. She's a dumbass heavy drug-using prostitute. The murder occurred months ago. Of some no-account lowlife pimp/drug dealer guy (don't remember who he was exactly) nobody misses. Hard to imagine the police giving a crap--especially if she goes to that cop in Boyd's pocket!

Does Ellen May knows what they did with the body? I don't remember. If not then there is only her word. Without solid evidence to support such an accusation I don't imagine the investigation would go far. If it stalled then Ellen May would really be in the shit. I don't know why she didn't keep her mouth shut and taken the bus trip to Alabama. I guess they want to keep the actress around, but plotwise it didn't make a lot of sense to me.

Raylan should have taken them chickens back to the chicken guy. Cockfighting's illegal, he could have leaned on the guy and gotten at least some of his money back. He was too cavalier about it, considering it was supposed to be baby money.

[mzwinter]

For the record, you can snort heroin, not that I would know anything about it (*cough*).

Loved Rachel's quick use of the baton, she's stepping up in the badass department.

And Raylan, how I love your dumb ass! I really enjoy how in this show, no one is the super cool, always does the right thing kind of character. Can you imagine how boring it would be if Raylan didn't have a weakness for crazy women and trouble? I love how the show ups the ante with the crazy situations people get themselves into, it's like a Wagner opera, hillbilly style. Building to a huge, chaotic cresendo!

And Ellamae! Run like the wind girl! Such a great performance from her, at all times. I teared up a bit during that scene in the car when she's so happy to go back. Top notch acting in a thankless role. When do we get to see TV whore charcters with that kind of depth? Never, I tells ya. I'm so glad the PTB gave her that moment. And I also hope Cassie was the one to snatch her.

[taiko]

I don't really see how Ellen May's threatened ratting out would pose much of a threat to Ava and Boyd. She's a dumbass heavy drug-using prostitute. The murder occurred months ago. Of some no-account lowlife pimp/drug dealer guy (don't remember who he was exactly) nobody misses. Hard to imagine the police giving a crap--especially if she goes to that cop in Boyd's pocket!

Does Ellen May knows what they did with the body? I don't remember. If not then there is only her word. Without solid evidence to support such an accusation I don't imagine the investigation would go far. If it stalled then Ellen May would really be in the shit. I don't know why she didn't keep her mouth shut and taken the bus trip to Alabama. I guess they want to keep the actress around, but plotwise it didn't make a lot of sense to me.

Because it is murder a case can be brought at anytime up until Ava dies. He is the local crime boss sooner or later a real police will go after Boyd and that loose thread is just there to be picked. Why build a RICO case if he can be put away for felony murder?

[KalEl]

Uma Thurman had no idea of the purity of Travolta's heroin in Pulp Fiction which is why she accidentally OD'd.

And I loved this episode. I loved Rachel wanting to play outlaw for a bit, but then going back to being a good girl. I love Raylan for drawing a line for her. Like Art, he knows it's not good for her to be like him. I loved the fighter girl flirting with Raylan in a way he wasn't used to. I loved, loved, loved everyone using the beanbag gun. And everyone has been rightly ripping Raylan for his stupidity, but failed to realize that for Blonde Bartender her husband was her weakness. He didn't force her to go and if he hadn't gone back after that clerk she wouldn't have called Raylan. She let him take her down the same way Raylan let her take him down.

Twenty grand? Geez. At least he was good about accepting. It. Though something tells me Art will find out about it and laugh himself silly.

I'm glad Ellen May came to her senses. I knew the second he went into the bathroom she'd be gone when he returned. The only thing that surprised me was that she didn't take his truck. But for Lady MacAva the deed is done. She agreed to it and even though it didn't happen, it means she gave what little remained of her soul. I wonder if she'll see Ellen May living as a chance at redemption.

I also love that there's a little more to Colt's fall from side of the law to the other. This is why he didn't just come back and go into law enforcement like Tim. You can be a drunk, but a druggie is hard to slip past the gate.

[Atomic Clock]

Boyd and Ava are no longer the criminals I kind of root for in a twisted sort of way.

Yep. They've gone the way of Heisenberg.

I am actually anxious for a showdown with Raylan where one of them winds up dead.

Aww, come on Mrk63. You know you want Raylan to win. In the end, Boyd is a cold-blooded killer at heart. As low as Raylan might get in his personal life, he's always gonna be the one running off to save Loretta.

Is it me, or does Shelby talk a lot like Elsworth on Deadwood?

Edited by Atomic Clock, Jan 30, 2013 @ 11:06 AM.