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[TWoP Tennison]

Mr. Gold tries to use an unwilling test subject to see if his spell works; Belle runs into vengeful Capt. Hook; David and Mary Margaret look for a bigger house.

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[prodigalchicken]

Hook. .. what a dick move, you dick. Glad Archie got away relatively quickly. Sorry, I keep thinking back to that total dick move at the end.

Edited by prodigalchicken, Jan 13, 2013 @ 9:03 PM.

[brittania]

I really enjoyed Mulan and Belle's comradeship in this episode.
I will be really pissed if Belle doesn't regain her memory.
Did the license plate number have any significance?

[Senna]

So torn on Belle's behavior this episode. I like Belle more than most people seem to, but even I think her “adventures” this episode were ill-advised. How exactly was she expecting to take on a huge beast with a little dagger? It was supposed to be asleep, not in a coma.

On the other hand, seeing her smack Hook around was awesome. Also, it's cool that she can translate Chinese (or whatever vertical script language Mulan's people presumably speak). And amusing to see Mulan protecting yet another brunette princess.

I was hoping for more of a reaction to the “Rumple killed his wife” reveal.

That ending was ... ugggh, too much happening at once to take in. What does Belle even remember now, as she really didn't have a Storybrooke identity?

What exactly were Regina and Cora doing all episode? (Especially Cora.)

[charles wayne]

It was a stretch that Hook, in the few days he was in Storybrooke, would have already known that there was a line nobody could cross, that Hook had a potion, that the potion required the thing you loved most, that Gold had his son's shawl, that it was locked in a safe, where the safe was, and how to open it.

Edited by TWoP Tennison, Jan 14, 2013 @ 9:03 AM.
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[shapeshifter]

A Pop Tart? Has Emma (or the writer of this episode) forgotten what happened last time Henry ate a tart? Funny if he was an adult and they exchanged a few words about the irony of it, but Henry is a grieving kid.





When Belle foolishly set the gun down out of reach, after foolishly boarding the pirate's ship, the thought balloon over my head read, "They always kill off the cute guys except Charming." I was sure he was going to shoot her but the bullet would find him (based on Rumple's directions to Belle about the gun).
When that didn't happen I thought, "Well wrong about that one."
And then Bang.
Well. That was the first time an intended shocker actually made me gasp.
And Yeah. What state is that license plate from?

[stealinghome]

Oh sheeeit, I did NOT see the last two minutes coming!!!!! Damn, show. Points for my jaw being on the ground after the episode. Holy. Crap.

It figures that they erase Belle in the same episode that I think they've made the best S2 use of her (and by extension Rumbelle). Daaaaaamn.

Clan Charming continues to be awesome (Emma is SO Charming's daughter), and I'm glad the Archie isn't dead reveal was made so quickly. The Snow/Charming tension should be a nice counterpoint to their general lovey-doveyness, though I'm still so annoyed they persist in using their fake names.

Hook is just so lame. And such a pretty boy.

Philip needs to come back soon. Excuse me while I go fan myself.

[Jupiter84]

I love this episode, the way they tied up loose ends and answered so many questions.

This episode made me for the first time love Belle. I can't believe now she will have no clue who she really is.

When Rumple was beating the crap out of Hook, I have to admit I laughed and kind of surprised they let it go that far.

Can't wait until next week.

[xqueenfrostine]

Seriously?? This episode was awful. Not nearly as good as the last 3. I can't believe Archie was only "dead" for an episode already telling people they were wrong about Regina. What was the point of Cora's plot to frame Regina or if it's uncovered so quickly? I can't believe Rumple already found a way past the barrier either. Or that was prepared to start his journey knowing that Hook was running around in Storybrooke and able to hurt him by hurting Belle. WTF Show?!

I really want to like Belle as a character, but damn the show keeps making her annoying. I want to be able to admire her for not wanting to be the type of girl who just sits back passively, while others do the things she dreams of, but must she be so dumb about it? Both in Storybrooke and in the Enchanted Forest she embarks on quests she is completely unprepared to tackle. And then her successes felt really contrived and completely unconvincing. I don't buy her finding the beast or the pirate ship on her own so fast, but even if I suspend that disbelief for a moment, it was so completely stupid for her to go alone in both instances. Especially with the beat where she's armed with only a small knife against an animal that's on fire. What were the odds on her being able to stab it without going up in flames?

Also, her little speech to Hook about his heart being rotten when Rumple still has good in him was stupid. As wasa her insistence that he was just out to destroy whatever good was left in Rumple. What exactly has Hook done that we haven't seen Rumple do? He's done bad things, but at worst he's on par with what Rumplestiltskin has done and I'm skeptical that he's even THAT bad.

But HOW DID HE KNOW WHAT A HANDGUN WAS?

Neverland? Didn't Captain Hook have a pistol in Peter Pan or am I remembering that wrong?

[gingercharm21]

That CGI was awful. If Buffy from the 90's could be more elaborate and semi-realistic monster costumes, this show can. The yagoui didn't have to be a gigantic flaming dog creature. I'm glad the Archie business was resolved sooner rather than later.

[charles wayne]

I don't see how crossing the line is the worst thing in the world. It would be like having amnesia. They could over time at least teach her who she once was. She should still be the same person, with the same character.

What did they do with dwarf they sent over? Isn't he still in town somewhere? I hope they've been telling him things, because otherwise he'd be pretty confused listening to all the other conversations. But since he never lived anywhere else, I doubt they could just let him wander off into the real world.

I wonder if the "cross the line, lose your old life memories" is a type of curse that could be broken by "true love's kiss".....

[aquarian1]

Glad they finally had some people talking about wanting to go back. Also glad the Archie death was resolved. That said I thought this episode was slow, but that ending - wow. First Hook shooting Belle, Rumple ready to unload magical whoop-ass on him, and then the car hitting Hook. The car was from PA, but I don't remember the license plate number. Now, since Gold crossed back over, can he leave again w/o loosing his memories? How long does that magic last? I'm thinking they need Gold to stay in town, so it should be a one use magic.

[BryrRoseA]

God, DumBelle. Adventuring on an invisible pirate ship in a skirt and heels? Puts the gun down five feet away? Only Belle.

[kalliep]

Wait, did Belle just die? Because if she died right then and there not remembering Rumple, just damn...

Loved this episode. I think it was the best they've ever used Hook and Belle. Hook was threatening, didn't fail at everything as usual, and generally did something aside from looking very pretty. As for Belle, I actually like that she's a perfect balance of brave and damsel-in-distress. It's different from all the woman warriors of Storybrooke.

[rtms]

Belle's amesia is different since she didn't have a alternate counterpart from Storybrooke. The dwarf who crossed the line simply reverted back to his storybrooke life, without his fairytale memory. Belle I would think now has true amnesia as the promo suggested.

I'm a little confused, Archie waited until night time to let everyone know he was alive? Why didn't he just go to the diner? Or phone someone?

[Amtosbm]

What state is that license plate from?

I think it was Pennsylvania. Is the slyvania supposed to be a hint?

I really liked this episode. It went by fast and wrapped a lot of things up. I actually did'nt even really miss Lana but happy to see her near the end.

Was it just me or was there a lot of closeups of Hook in Belle's face literally? I honestly thought he was going to kiss her at some point but glad he did'nt. I am not sure what memories she is going to have now. When I saw how close she was to the line I had a feeling she might end up crossing over but not because Hook would shoot her!

[xqueenfrostine]

Wait, did Belle just die? Because if she died right then and there not remembering Rumple, just damn...

No. I didn't see where she was shot, but Hook intentionally shot her somewhere nonvital because he told Gold that she'd live without ever looking at her. I think he used to bullet as a means of pushing her across the boundary.

[Dani-Ellie]

I legit gasped and "OMG!"ed out loud at the end. Ho. Lee. Crap.

Is it bad that I don't want the Charmings to move simply because I adore the set for Mary Margaret's apartment? Henry calling Archie's voicemail just to hear his voice made me awwww something fierce.

And how much did I love how the Belle story tied into the Mulan story and the Aurora/Philip story. And I loved Belle using her books for research and then going out and being badass with her newfound knowledge.

I think I say this every week, but is it next Sunday yet? Seriously?

Edited by Dani-Ellie, Jan 13, 2013 @ 9:24 PM.

[Monique]

I really could have used more Archie in the episodes about his non-death.

Instead, I get even more of the block of wood masquerading as Mulan (she would have made a fab new sister for Pinocchio) and even more time with the Charmings doing little to nothing.

[BooBear]

Also, her little speech to Hook about his heart being rotten when Rumple still has good in him was stupid. As wasa her insistence that he was just out to destroy whatever good was left in Rumple. What exactly has Hook done that we haven't seen Rumple do? He's done bad things, but at worst he's on par with what Rumplestiltskin has done and I'm skeptical that he's even THAT bad.

THIS !

Ugh I thought that was terrible. I smacked my head when she said that. I just can't like her character.

[mustbekarma]

I swear, if Belle doesn't get her memories back, I may have to cut a Kitsis.

I loved this episode, mainly for the fact that the Archie Lives! did not get dragged out for several episodes, or worse yet, until the season finale.

I also loved Mulan. I liked her before, but saving Belle from the bullies at the well definitely tipped Mulan into the love column.

I also loved Belle using her brains, at least part of the time. She saved Prince Philip, and Belle outsmarted Captain Hook twice. I also loved how she got through to Mr. Gold.

Last, but not least, I loved this episode because it surprised me. I did not expect Hook to show up and shoot Belle and make her lose her memories. I didn't have time to throw obscenities at the TV screen because he got hit by a car.

Poor Henry. I guess he doesn't get to keep Pongo now.

[BryrRoseA]

I swear, if Belle doesn't get her memories back, I may have to cut a Kitsis.

Gold said it could not be undone. Are we taking him as an expert here, or is there always a way with magic?

I wonder if Gold will stay with Amnesia!Belle! or go off in search of Bae.

[Fable]

Belle can be a bit dim, but I like her, she is brave and resourceful and actually manages to accomplish things. It was nice to get a little more of her fairy tale back story. I hated that she lost her memories at the end.

I really want to know who was driving that car that got into the accident with Hook. I don't believe it will just be a random somebody. Could it be Neal?

[stealinghome]

Belle's amesia is different since she didn't have a alternate counterpart from Storybrooke. The dwarf who crossed the line simply reverted back to his storybrooke life, without his fairytale memory. Belle I would think now has true amnesia as the promo suggested.

Yes. For anyone else, it would make them revert totally to their Storybrooke persona (so Charming would become David forever), but since Belle doesn't really seem to have had an alternate persona, she should be just a blank slate now.

Hook was threatening, didn't fail at everything as usual, and generally did something aside from looking very pretty.

Really? I think the fact that he got outsmarted by Belle like three times in this episode makes him look pretty bad. I mean, I like Belle and all, but getting whupped by her multiple times is NOT a good thing.

As for Belle, I actually like that she's a perfect balance of brave and damsel-in-distress. It's different from all the woman warriors of Storybrooke.

Yes. I think in this episode it became apparent that they're going for something different than Snow, Mulan, etc, with the Belle character...they don't always succeed, but I like that they're trying to show that bravery, heroism, etc comes in different forms.

[morning coffee]

That was some bad writing right there.

In one scene, Henry says that they need to turn Mary Margaret's room into an armory and says that he knew that Regina didn't kill Archie? Did someone get a phone call in the middle of a sentence and lost track of what they were writing?

Still, I hope there is no "groveling to Regina" scene. She's done enough to warrant people believing that she murdered someone.

[Writing Wrongs]

Way too much Belle and Rumple for my liking. Where the hell was Cora?

Things I wasn't expecting:

1)Belle getting shot

2)The Philip reveal

3)Archie's fake death being resolved so quickly

Why was this called "The Outsider"? He didn't show up until the last minute of the show.

[kennyab]

I also loved Belle using her brains, at least part of the time. She saved Prince Philip, and Belle outsmarted Captain Hook twice. I also loved how she got through to Mr. Gold.

So true. I really like that they've made her book smart but a bit lacking in common sense. While it may make you want to smack her, it's a very realistic flaw.

I thought Jamie Chung did a nice job showing the pre-curse Mulan. She was a warrior, but she wasn't bitter. And she smiled. She's lost a lot from the curse, and it shows. But it seems like Aurora is bringing out the old Mulan.

I also like how straight-forward they were about those wanting to return to the Enchanted Forest. They recognize the benefits of modern life, but they want to go home. Considering the fact that dwarves are magical creatures, I can see that affecting them even more.

Totally didn't see that ending coming. I don't expect it to last. They've been working on a cure since the beginning of the season. Hopefully they'll have some luck.

And I love how Snow hasn't wasted a minute in getting a new, less frumpy wardrobe.

[xqueenfrostine]

Forgot to say in my first post on this episode, I was really glad to hear Hook voice what I have been wondering all along when he suggested that he might be doing Bae a favor by trapping Rumple in Storybrooke. I know the show, and many of its viewers, seem to view Rumple's quest to reunite himself with his son as something noble but I can't help but wonder how unwelcome of a presence he might actually be if he ever finds Bae. Considering the reasons why Bae left, he ought to be completely horrified by the lengths his father took to get to him. That's not the kind of parent you greet with a joyful tears. It's one you slap with a restraining order.

Gold said it could not be undone. Are we taking him as an expert here, or is there always a way with magic?

Considering that he didn't even know that that magical boundary would appear when it did, I have my doubts that Gold is a trustible authority on the effects of such a boundary in our world. So her amnesia is probably reversible. And hey, judging by how fast Cora's plot came unravelled, maybe she'll have them back next week.

In one scene, Henry says that they need to turn Mary Margaret's room into an armory and says that he knew that Regina didn't kill Archie? Did someone get a phone call in the middle of a sentence and lost track of what they were writing?

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Jupiter84]

That was some bad writing right there.

In one scene, Henry says that they need to turn Mary Margaret's room into an armory and says that he knew that Regina didn't kill Archie? Did someone get a phone call in the middle of a sentence and lost track of what they were writing?

Not bad writing, I think its like when deep down you believe something to be true but evidence points otherwise and you go against yourself. It's like with the curse all last season he is trying to convince Emma the curse is real, then he sees August wooden arm, and he says the curse is real. Now deep down he knew something was up but it wasn't until he saw the arm did it become completely real to him.

[aquarian1]

Why was this called "The Outsider"? He didn't show up until the last minute of the show.

My firt thought was that Belle was an outsider in Mulan's land. As was Philip. Hook is an outsider to Storybrooke. (Cora is too, but she wasn't part of this ep). And then, of course, the new arrival at the end, that you mentioned.