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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:31 PM

Sir Anthony seemed so upset when he left the church and said such sweet things to her. I think he loved her enpugh to let her go. He wanted to marry her, but maybe got cold feet about pleasing her in bed. Violet said something in the church about him remembering married life or something and maybe it was never very good with Maude, maybe he was old timey enough that he didn't know anything but man on top and his arm would be a problem, or maybe he kept saying how old he was because there was no viagra and he knew he was a hopeless case. Anyway, maybe he was just too ashamed to tell her this and cheat her out of a real married life and children, etc. I guess I just don't want to think he was mean, but was afraid. He really loved her and wanted what was best for her like he said at the church. Sad no matter why he did it, but his expression looked heartbroken to me.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:32 PM

Even worse than the Bates crap is the screentime wasted on Ethel!

Edited by Jschoolgirl, Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:34 PM.

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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:34 PM

Edith: But if Sir Anthony wanted what was best for me, why did he publicly leave me at the alter, thereby destroying my reputation and ensuring that all of the eligible young men who are already not interested will not even talk to me now?

Fellows: Well, you see right here in the script it says you aren't pretty.

Edith: But Mary's done a lot of horrid things and everything just seems to work out for her. I've redeemed myself a thousand times over and no one gives a crap about me.

Fellows (annoyed): Everyone is cheering for Mary, didn't you read the script? It says right here in the script that Mary is pretty and you are not.

Edith: (stabs Fellows in the face with a hairpin).

Edited by BasilBee, Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:37 PM.

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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:38 PM

Is no one relieved that mrs Hughes didn't have cancer? I was! Love her.

I'm relieved, but I knew that story line was just filler. A long, drawn out filler.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:39 PM

Edith was never as beautiful as when she was sobbing on the bed. (Although her dress was gorgeous). She just keeps getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop, poor thing. I can understand the venom at her sisters, since we've seen over and over again that she is the least favorite of both her parents. From her perspective, she's brought the least public scandal onto the family of the three girls, but is still least-treasured.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:40 PM

One of my favorite scenes was Mrs. Hughes and Mrs. Patmore sitting on the bench outside Dr. Clarkso's office. I don't know why I just loved that. I like the two of them scheming to let Carson know she was ok, too. He was so happy he was singing. Precious.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:41 PM

Branson is now such a tame revolutionary that he doesn't even mind being called a tame revolutionary.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:43 PM

Oh my God, who would do that to a person?!!? In front of everyone she knows? In a church just so as to encompass "in front of God and everyone"? Not even to a person I loathed with every fiber of my being would I even contemplate doing something that freaking horrible. Why did Anthony let it get that far? He seemed like he wanted to marry her, so Edith can't be blamed for believing that he did.

And for once in my life I couldn't stand Violet yammering away behind Anthony's back in the church.

So, that sucked. A lot. All of that storyline just sucked. Jebus dude, fake a damned seizure rather than do that to the poor woman at the actual altar. At least, at the very, very least, excuse yourself and ask Edith to follow you.

I think I nearly died of second-hand mortification. Oh and I think we need to find out that Edith killed Osiris, Isis's mate and Grantham's other dog, because there needs to be some damned explanation fot why Grantham cares so very little about Edith. She'll get over it? Seriously, in that day and age, with that public of a humiliation, they'd be concerned she'd do herself an injury.

Okay, moving on. What was in Bates cell?

Also, are the writers having a contest to see who can come up with the most ridiculous, unlikable storyline and they all keep pinning it on Matthew? I sort of want Lavinia's zombie corpse to rise up and kick his ass. What, he didn't need Lavinia's dead mother to forgive him for the things she witnessed on high?

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Even worse than the Bates crap is the screentime wasted on Ethel!


Seconded and hopefully the motion will carry, because oh.my.god what a frustrating story that currently is. Particularly since if Ethel doesn't want help for her little boy, then it's going to be even more maddening, which would be a challenging miracle to pull off at this juncture.

Edited by stillshimpy, Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:04 AM.

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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:54 PM

What was in Bates cell?


It looked like a cigar.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:54 PM

Edith being jilted at the altar totally took me by surprise...altho' the Dowager Countess's remark about the bridegroom looking like he was going to be beaten by the head master made me a bit anxious about him. What a shockeroo tonight! I hope Edith takes off for America, takes a tour of the "Middle West" and marries a wealthy rancher or philanthropist. I also wish each episode could be 2 hours. I was definitely not ready for Downton Abbey to end at 10 PM tonight.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:55 PM

I have a different take on Edith's plight. Yes, Robert was a jerk at first with the letter to Sir Anthony, but I thought he redeemed himself somewhat with his chat with Sir Anthony about being happy that Edith was happy and that Anthony planned to keep her so. I think Edith sank her own ship when she told Anthony that she loved him because of his infirmity and she wanted him to be her life's project. It's one thing to know that others think you are old and infirm, and it's quite another to discover your fiancee agrees with them.
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Posted Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:55 PM

Even worse than the Bates crap is the screentime wasted on Ethel!

OMG, yes! Just tell Isobel what you want already!

Oh my God, who would do that to a person?!!? In front of everyone she knows? In a church just so as to encompass "in front of God and everyone"? Not even to a person I loathed with every fiber of my being would I even contemplate doing something that freaking horrible.

If nothing else, Anthony has always seemed like a very kind person, particularly very kind to Edith. It didn't seem in character for him to leave her humiliated at the alter like that. At a certain point you just need to go through with it even if you have serious doubts. And standing at the alter is that point!

Branson is now such a tame revolutionary that he doesn't even mind being called a tame revolutionary

And he dresses in black tie for dinner now! Although to be fair, I think he previously said he was a socialist, not a revolutionary.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:02 AM

The comment about Vera scrubbing her hands after baking makes me think she may have made the poisoned pie herself, planning to kill Bates with it, but something went wrong...?
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:06 AM

I actually burst into tears for Edith which is something that, back in the first season, I never thought I'd be doing. That was just heartbreaking. What's worse was her getting out of bed the next morning firmly believing she'd always be alone. Maybe she's the one that needs to go to America and have fun with cowboys. Stay with Grandma Martha and charm American society. Give Mary the middle finger from across the Atlantic. Anything but stay under the roof of a family that clearly doesn't give a crap about her.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:19 AM

The comment about Vera scrubbing her hands after baking makes me think she may have made the poisoned pie herself, planning to kill Bates with it, but something went wrong...?


Yes, totally agree! My guess is she couldn't scrub off all the poison she put in the pie and what was on her hands ended up killing her.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:25 AM

Everyone seems happy that Mrs Hughes is all right, but I assumed she was lying. I'd like to be wrong, of course.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:33 AM

I think Sir Anthony is irredeemable. Edith didn't deserve to be publicly humiliated. One of the worst non-violent/criminal things a person can do to someone really.

How can he pretend that he's trying to improve Edith's chances for marriage/happiness when some people are going to spin the story and make it seem like even an old man didn't want her? I agree too that it was completely out of character.

ETA

Mary's blue dress really was stunning.

Edited by avaleigh, Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:38 AM.

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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:38 AM

It didn't seem in character for him to leave her humiliated at the alter like that.


I'm not sure it was out of character for him to finally, finally realize how needy and creepy the marriage was going to be. It was out of character for him to do it at the altar and in front of everybody. Everybody. That was all on the sadistic script writers. And then her whiny, martyred speech as she got out of bed the next morning made me want to slap her upside the head. Can't she just be genuinely angry for once? Not whiny, or bitchy or sneaky, just righteous indignation. I join the consensus Lady Edith is due a season at Grandma's in Newport. Financed with Mary's husband's money. If only to spare us the moping.

Edited by BeanyMalone, Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:38 AM.

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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:38 AM

Edith was so happy, and her gown was so lovely, that I knew she wouldn't get to live happily ever after; still, I thought Sir Anthony would just drop dead at the altar or on their wedding night. (For this show, that wouldn't be far-fetched.)

Notice how's Isobel's prostitutes were snickering at her? Edith does need work now, and they might like her better. At least she knows what it's like to lose your last shred of dignity.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:38 AM

Everyone seems happy that Mrs Hughes is all right, but I assumed she was lying. I'd like to be wrong, of course.


I thought that at first, but then I thought it would be a little far fetched for Mrs. Patmore to know the term "benign". So now I'm just hoping Mrs. Hughes really is ok. I for one would be really sad to lose her.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:50 AM


Everyone seems happy that Mrs Hughes is all right, but I assumed she was lying. I'd like to be wrong, of course.



I thought that at first, but then I thought it would be a little far fetched for Mrs. Patmore to know the term "benign". So now I'm just hoping Mrs. Hughes really is ok. I for one would be really sad to lose her.


And I assumed (again) that she got the term from Mrs. Hughes, who'd have heard her doctor refer to that possibility...but I'm hoping, as well.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:58 AM

I thought there might be trouble with Anthony when Edith was gossiping and mentioned that an older friend was getting a divorce and Anthony spoke so well of her. Anthony's wheels seemed to be turning, that here's someone he has liked and admired for years and who now may be free and more his age. And if he can just get himself out of this current situation.

Regardless, very embarrassing. It is as if the writers have decided little good will happen to certain characters such as Bates and Edith.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:03 AM

The comment about Vera scrubbing her hands after baking makes me think she may have made the poisoned pie herself, planning to kill Bates with it, but something went wrong...?


I think that Vera's plot was to kill herself and implicate Bates. She planted the story with her neighbor that she was afraid. She made the dinner while Bates was not there. She said he'd be back, but we don't know if he was coming back, hadn't he returned to Downton? It reminds me of a Knots Landing story when the lead broke up with his girlfriend and she killed herself and framed him. It was done really well. I'm curious what the letter Vera mailed would say.

Edited by oceanblue, Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:04 AM.

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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:14 AM

One of my favorite scenes was Mrs. Hughes and Mrs. Patmore sitting on the bench outside Dr. Clarkson's office. I don't know why I just loved that.

Me too! I thought it was beautifully composed and lit. I also loved the overhead shot of the Oriental rug bring rolled out. I wish the writing would come up to the level of the cinematography in this show. It's always more a feast for the eyes than for the mind.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:14 AM

I replayed the scene eleventy-billion times on my DVR; but I still can't make it out. Can anyone tell me what Sir Anthony said to Edith after she said "Good afternoon!" at the altar?

Also, I thought he was genuinely heartbroken to leave her there at the altar (which doesn't make his less of a jerk for doing so). I wonder, though, if at that time he really would have considered it wrong to marry Edith? It seems like back then the guy with the title and money could marry who he wished and I doubt it would be the first time the rich, moneyed nobleman chose a much, much younger wife.

On the other hand, her line about loving him *because* he was infirm and "I want to make you my life's work!" was a bit awful. I'd have run away at that point, too, I suppose. Still, no one deserves that.

The letter Matthew received (read by Mary) could not have been more contrived if it had been written on the producer's letterhead. And perhaps it was.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:23 AM

Don't forget what the First World War's butcher-bill did to the male population of Britain, especially to the upper-middle class of marriageable age for the women of Edith's generation after the war. Social-norms were (reluctantly) relaxed as there were few other options; in age-differences, social classes, or even "unconventional relationships".

And since Matthew's trained as a lawyer (I believe he's a solicitor, not a barrister), hopefully he'll have the wits to partner with the Earl on the estate's substantial rural landholdings and estate-related agricultural businesses and tenancies...and not on joint-ownership and operation of the house. (In Upstairs Downstairs the family just had the house itself.) The trap that in real-life the Great Houses of Britain's aristocratic families fell-into was that while they had land, houses and art, and fancy titles...they had no cash reserves for taxes, or more importantly capital improvements since most entails prevented loans against the estates. Even for worthwhile and profitable capital improvements or business ventures. If Matthew has cash...cash is king and the family now has options, even if they do downsize. [Since this is a soap opera, ignore the above.]
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:27 AM

I thought there might be trouble with Anthony when Edith was gossiping and mentioned that an older friend was getting a divorce and Anthony spoke so well of her. Anthony's wheels seemed to be turning, that here's someone he has liked and admired for years and who now may be free and more his age. And if he can just get himself out of this current situation.


The divorcee that they were gossiping about was the Duchess of Marlborough, the former Consuelo Vanderbilt, another one of those rich Americans marrying English nobility, just like Cora. Consuelo married Charles Spencer-Churchill, the 9th Duke of Marlborough, in 1895, they separated in 1906, and were divorced in 1921. She would have been 44 years old, no spring chicken but not anywhere near the age of Sir Anthony. Besides, she married a Frenchman within the year -- she would not have been available.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:35 AM

Poor Edith! Why are they acting like a bum hand is some huge "handicap"?

After the war there were so many men who were terribly injured it seems that they would see Sir Anthony's injury as getting off rather lightly. And as others have said, the men of that generation, especially the upper class, were nearly decimated to the point they were called "The Lost Generation". I also thought something might be up when he wistfully rememebered the Duchess of Marlborough as the most lovely woman he had ever seen.
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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:42 AM

I thought there might be trouble with Anthony when Edith was gossiping and mentioned that an older friend was getting a divorce and Anthony spoke so well of her. Anthony's wheels seemed to be turning, that here's someone he has liked and admired for years and who now may be free and more his age. And if he can just get himself out of this current situation.


No, they were discussing the Marlborough divorce. Consuelo Vanderbilt had been another American daughter of wealth married to a poverty stricken English aristocrat. Her fortune went to restore Blenheim Palace; her husband (first cousin to Winston Churchill) was the 9th Duke of Marlborough. They divorced in 1921 after years of unhappiness & discreet adultery by both parties.

ETA: And I see somebody posted more quickly about the Marlborough divorce. I got caught up reading all the racy details! Some people were living interesting lives in those days!

Edited by not Bridget, Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:46 AM.

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Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 1:44 AM

I replayed the scene eleventy-billion times on my DVR; but I still can't make it out. Can anyone tell me what Sir Anthony said to Edith after she said "Good afternoon!" at the altar?



BetsyJxn, I heard "Good afternoon, my sweet one."
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