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[mustbekarma]

Wow. I decide to watch this after abstaining since Bobby's death. Really, show, I've mocked about this being "Days of Our Sucky Supernatural Lives," but really, this episode just seemed even worse than that. I think I've got it. Everbody's lives suck out loud.

The end. Geez, I should have just watched Criminal Minds. I'm sure it would have been cheerier.

[Tippi Blevins]

I have no idea when Dean could have gotten away to steal Amelia's phone, but whatever. It was a good move.

I was hoping Benny would be in the Impala with Dean at the end. Just... forget about Sam for a while. And his boring Lifetime movie plot.

Edited by Tippi Blevins, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:07 PM.

[Kimit]

What a disappointing ending to the mid -season finale. I do not care about Amelia. I hate that I even read the words "love triangle" in an interview with Jeremy Carver this week. Gross.

Weird episode. I was hoping it would be Benny Sam would see when he turned around at the bar, but nope. I would have liked that much better.

Eh. I still watch this show for SamnDean, so still not a fan of episodes where they are apart and mad at each other.

[MelindaBB]

Wow, the vampire stuff was so incredibly suspenseful. Poor Benny! He just can't catch a break, and he's such a sweetheart. And I loved Liz, what a sweetie. I'm sure Benny would have Dean's head if the two of them so much as looked at each other, but I do hope she kept his number. And calls him. Once she recovers from the intense trauma of this awful experience. Poor Liz. Their flirting at the beginning was very cute, and she did a great job ratcheting up the horror in that scene with Benny and Martin.

Laughed at the soap opera flashbacks... there's really not much to say. They are what they are. But I did laugh out loud at Dean tricking Sam to go after Amelia. Turnabout is fair play.

And Martin. Oh, Martin, Martin. What a bad dude you turned out to be. I can't say I'll miss ya, I just hope Benny can get back on the wagon. Dean certainly seems to be holding out hope for him, and I do too.

[mustbekarma]

Oh well, at least this episode wasn't a total loss. That fucking loser Martin got killed flatter than dead. Once he put the knife to that poor girl's throat, I was rooting for Benny to kill him. All right, I might have been shouting that. I don't even have a cat to scare, so I feel perfectly comfortable ranting at fictional idiots on my TV screen.

[steve91199]

For a flicker of a second, they finally figured out how to make me interested in anything Amelia. Unfortunately it involved her cell phone.

If they want to do more than that they're going to have to put Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins in a wig and have them alternate playing the role. Maybe put Jared in the wig too and have him act against himself. They do it on Youtube all the time...

So now as a Christmas present from Supernatural there's a month of Cas angst in that promo.

[Sudoka]

I don't think he stole the phone, just changed the number under her contact info so it would come up as Amelia when he called from that cell phone.
Also - way to bail on a fellow hunter in the middle of hunt there Sammy.

[Dynaformer]

The best part of what I just watched….the promo for the next episode. The only thing that really surprised me in this episode….that Dean tricked Sam with that phone call.

[kalikimaki]

I have no idea when Dean could have gotten away to steal Amelia's phone, but whatever. It was a good move.

I don't think that was Amelia's phone. Dean just texed from a different phone and Sam didn't check the sender.

I really liked this episode, well the Dean and Benny parts. The vampire story was very well done and suspenseful. I loved smart, and cunning Dean and he really was great. I am so fucking glad that Benny didn't die and I so want Dean and Elizabeth to hook up because those two are great together. I like the actress and she and Jensen had great chemistry. Please Carver, give Dean and Elizabeth a chance.

The Martin stuff was good, and the actor did a fantastic job. I wasn't sure if he was evil or crazy and he ended up being crazy as a loony.

Sam is a self-righteous asshat who will never think he can ever be wrong. He gets Martin, who was one week out of the looney bin to track a vampire, become obsessed, and then gets him killed. Good job Sam. I hope Dean really tears you a new one, somebody should.

The "cliffhanger" was a laugh. Was that supposed to be suspenseful? Really? Please. Samelia stuff is just dull.

I did like Don and he was a lot better man than Sam. Amelia is just, blah.

So outside of the usual borefest that is Samelia the episode was great and I'm so glad that Benny is alive.

[shamangrrl]

Dean didn't steal Amelia's phone. He cloned a burner after getting the number from Sam's phone.

So, Sam doesn't trust Dean. Again and forever. Shocker.

I liked Martin, and I'm really upset that he was trashed and discarded.

But what really makes me unhappy is that Purgatory is over and Benny is in the wind. And apparently, Garth, Martin and everyone's Grandmother is now more badass than Dean.

I am sick of Samelia. I am sick of the contrived angst. I am sick of the soap that has invaded my once great little horror show.

I am so disappointed.

[kalikimaki]

I was hoping Benny would be in the Impala with Dean at the end. Just... forget about Sam for a while. And his boring Lifetime movie plot.

I'm so with you on that. Dean, Benny and Elizabeth. :D

[morrigan2575]

Benny isn't dead, right? I didn't miss the body or anything? After the scene with Martin I fully expected the end scene to be Benny asking Dean to kill him because the blood-lust was too strong or something. Since I didn't see it, it didn't happen.

These flashbacks really suck. I know this because the minute it looked like we were going to get the first one I actually yelled at the TV!

I really enjoyed the Benny and vampire related stuff, the Sam stuff is just crappy filler that annoys me because I want to get back to the good story.

I Would really love to see the adventures of Benny/Castiel/Dean in the Impala fighting over who gets to ride shotgun, Amelia/Don/Sam can a couple of weeks off, IMO

Edited by morrigan2575, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:18 PM.

[Tippi Blevins]

I don't think he stole the phone, just changed the number under her contact info so it would come up as Amelia when he called from that cell phone.

Oh, that makes more sense. The way Sam was talking made it sound like Dean had actually seen Amelia himself. I think I was just so relieved that Benny wasn't dead that I kind of tuned out afterwards.

[kara714]

Yay! Benny lives. I am also shipping Dean and Lizzie now.

Smart Dean is awesome and Sam continues to be a self-righteous and irresponsible asshat.

But that "cliffhanger" made me LMAO. Seriously, does anyone actually care about the Sam and Amelia reunion? Especially when Don seems like a decent sort.

I have no idea when Dean could have gotten away to steal Amelia's phone, but whatever. It was a good move.

Dean said he got a burner phone. I guess he programmed her name into it after Sam conveniently gave him her last name. Hee!

[steve91199]

I like Sam, and I care about Sam and Dean being close. I think they should be close, as otherwise it drags the show into stale, tedious emo woe.

With that said, if this is supposed to be making us feel conflicted about who is right and who is wrong, it's not doing the best job.

Dean has spent his season trying to save those who fought with him in Purgatory.

Sam has spent his season pouting at Dean.

Dean reluctantly got in the middle of a conflict with someone who was targeting his friend and his friend's family.

Sam sicced a mentally unstable man on said friend, and, even if he didn't realize how far it would go, on the man's innocent family.

Dean is having a lot of well-acted and intense scenes with interesting (to me, anyway) characters.

Sam is spending a lot of time thinking about generic love interest #394, with I Love the 80's hair, and the husband we've seen even less of. I've seen about 10 times as much fan interest in the twink angel Samandriel, who appeared in a handful of scenes, than I have in this.

The show may have wonderful ideas for Sam, but it is not translating well onscreen, in my opinion.

[omelas]

I'm not sure what the actresses name is who played Elizabeth but she was good tonight and was fabulous in the episode where she tried to drown her daughter. I'm glad if they are going to reuse actresses that they pick the good ones.

As for the episode - it just cements my Sam hate. I was happy that he gave Dean time to figure it out but everything after that made me want to snap his neck. And I was happy that Dean looked into it.

I don't want weeks of how Dean let Benny go even though he was protecting his granddaughter. Sam and Dean have killed people for less.

[MelindaBB]

I'm so with you on that. Dean, Benny and Elizabeth. :D

Aw, they so should've! I hope Dean is heading off to find Benny and get him back on the wagon - it's hard to blame him for killing Martin, given what Martin was doing. If someone was cutting a family member's neck with a knife unless I let them machete my head off, I think I'd feel OK killing them too.

[Cieley]

I am so glad that Benny is still alive -- or at least, still on this plane of existence. I was worried they were going to get rid of him, and I was trying to figure out a way Dean could get him out of Purgatory again. I am sorry that Martin turned out to be so unstable though -- I liked him in his first appearance on the show, he seemed kind of sweet. I guess there was a reason he was in that hospital.

[Parcae3]

Wow.

OK, the good: Dean and Benny. Damn, can't we just have those two hunt together? They are awesome together! And I really liked Liz too. OK, Benny might have issues with Dean and Liz hooking up, but come on, they'd make a cute couple and then Dean and Benny would REALLY be related! And they could have their own little family there, with Castiel coming in too. Because really, Dean absolutely needs new family. Stat.

the bad: Psycho Martin. Not just crazy, psycho! I mean, really, he was creepy and scary as hell when he decided to go after Liz to get Benny. Once he held a knife to her throat, he needed to be gone. I don't know that Benny really killed him, I'm kind of thinking Liz did the deed since she was free and Benny looked like he was going to sacrifice himself. But either way, Martin had it coming. He was a psycho.

The horrible: Sam/Amelia flashbacks and Sam. Really, Sam? You sic Martin on Benny? Crazy Martin? And then, you abandon the crazy in a field alone? That was so wrong. I mean, they are hunting partners, he brought Martin in, and he abandoned him in a forest in the middle of a hunt with vampires around. WTH? That was just so incredibly wrong, I couldn't believe it. There was no excuse. If he had to go off, he should have called Martin and had him get in the car and taken off with him. Not abandoned him in the woods with no transportation. I think that sent crazy Martin over the edge into Psycho Martin.

And then we get self-righteous Sam. Doesn't feel any responsibility for having brought crazy Martin in, abandoned him, and then helped get him killed. Oh no, we get his bitchface and toddler tantrum of hanging up on Dean when Dean tries to tell him what happened.

Everything in this ep - minus the first two vamp kills - is on Sam. He should have listened to Dean and he should have kept Martin out. And he definitely shouldn't have abandoned the crazy.

And really, Show, REALLY? THAT is your midseason cliffhanger? The Sam/Amelia relationship?? THAT is what you are using to draw people in and keep them guessing over the holiday break??

Not even Gamble with her melodramatic writing left us on this kind of weak, non Supernatural, non INTERESTING cliffhanger. I can't even believe it. With the exception of Purgatory and Benny, which are both stories that are apparently over, Carver has been a huge disappointment this season. This just tops it.

I loved Dean in this, and I adored his loyalty to Benny, and I am so happy Benny ended up being worthy of it! I just hate that we have to trade in a relationship where Dean is actually appreciated and hasn't been betrayed in, to keep the toxic Dean and Sam one.

And last note...Jensen looked smoking in this ep, rug burn on his forehead and all!

[mustbekarma]

If someone was cutting a family member's neck with a knife unless I let them machete my head off, I think I'd feel OK killing them too.

After Martin sucker punched Dean, I was ready for Sam to snap his neck. I think watching these types of shows makes me overly violent. Well, that I think I have a severe allergy to angst and gloom. I actually find the most horrific episode of Walking Dead to be more uplifting than this episode. God, I mock because otherwise I'd be severely depressed.

[Blackmantra53]

Sam is now officially the worst reprobate I can think of- abandoning Martin right in the middle of vampire territory and having no supernatural excuse for abandoning Dean and Kevin. I cannot imagine how Jeremy Carver plans to extricate Sam from the pit of loathing I've placed him, nor do I really care.
I really did like Benny in this one, how his bloodlust was barely contained and I admit to being pleasantly surprised by Liz being his great great granddaughter. I really wish he could have stayed to watch over her, but at least he lives and there's a chance for another appearance.

I think Martin, and Jon Gries was the best part of the episode. Seeming to be ineffectual, then flipping that switch to obsession was a very nice showcase for an actor I've long admired, but I will mourn Martin briefly and lay his death at Sam's feet.

Born On The Bayou is a song I've long loved and it have me shivers to hear it in the opening scene, reminding me how much I miss the music on this show.

Finally, I fervently hope the dreariness of Sam's romance is over and we can finally get into the mytharc, where I'm hoping for more thrills, chills, action and goar, and fewer, much fewer "chick-flick" moments.

[shamangrrl]

Wait, Benny killed Martin, but he didn't feed. Too much blood all over the place for a feed.

[Parcae3]

I still think Liz might have killed him. I think that's why she had blood all over her hands.

[MelindaBB]

I agree with the praise for Martin's performance... he struck a bunch of different notes in this one, and carried them all off very effectively.

That's probably the mystery with Benny now, shamangrrl... whether he fed, or whether he just mauled the heck out of Martin. So the next time he and Dean meet, that question will hang in the air. Oh, Benny.

ETA:

Oh, I love the idea of Liz killing him to protect her great-granddad! She's so great. Even more traumatized if that's the case though, I bet.

Edited by MelindaBB, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:34 PM.

[kalikimaki]

Wait, Benny killed Martin, but he didn't feed. Too much blood all over the place for a feed.

Good catch shamangrrl, I didn't think of that. You're right. But I'm not sure Benny would have fed in front of Liz.

I still think Liz might have killed him. I think that's why she had blood all over her hands.

Or this, even better.

Edited by kalikimaki, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:32 PM.

[Kojuro]

I have no idea when Dean could have gotten away to steal Amelia's phone, but whatever. It was a good move.

I was hoping Benny would be in the Impala with Dean at the end. Just... forget about Sam for a while. And his boring Lifetime movie plot.

Loved the burner phone. Smart Dean is smart and clever. Would so not have minded Dean and Benny driving off to hunt for a while. Jensen and Ty Olssen have a great buddy vibe and there's lot's of manly caring there. :) Jensen's always great, it would be easy to take him for granted, that's why I try not to - he really just brings it all the time.

Sam is just too damn much, in a bad way. Seriously Martin was unstable and he sent him to "keep an eye on" Benny? Funny how Sam never felt any of his monster friends needed eyes kept on them. He didn't have anyone keeping an eye on Lenore.

Not to mention hanging up the phone at the end, he just can never face responsibility for anything. Sam you're the one who brought in the crazy. And then you abandoned him. Sam's got a knack for abandoning people.

Martin threatened Elizabeth with a knife, a human, who was not guilty of anything. I don't know that I entirely blame Martin, despite being out of the mential institution I don't think he was really stable, I have to blame Sam at least partly for sending him in in the first place. It was a disaster waiting to happen and that's exactly what he got.

I don't know that Benny did the killing though, Elizabeth might have done so, she was loose and she was bloody and there was a lot of blood around.

Also show showed us how Dean raised his game totally because of Purgatory when it comes to fighting and hunting, it needs to NOT rely on the "knock Dean out"/"sucker punch" stuff to take him out. Either come up with something that seems like it could actually happen when you have Dean vs a clearly overmatched opponent(even in a sucker punch scenario) or it just needs to come up with something other than Dean being taken out physically. Even if it means the writers have to work a little harder.

I Would really love to see the adventures of Benny/Castiel/Dean in the Impala fighting over who gets to ride shotgun, Amelia/Don/Sam can a couple of weeks off, IMO

LOL. But it would need to be a really interesting case(or something to do with searching for the tablets). I wouldn't D/C/B or their very talented actors wasted on something lame.


I can't take this Samelia stuff anymore. It's so darn boring. I just do.not.care.

ETA: I should add the actor playing Martin did a really good job, he just got saddled with an unsatisfactory reason to die. Martin was kind of a victim here to, if he wasn't entirely stable yet. Sam should have directed him to Garth who likely would have pointed him to some nice basic, easy bone burning to get rid of a ghost or something.

Edited by Kojuro, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:51 PM.

[exit only]

Sam was a self-righteous dick in this episode. "No hunter worth their salt lets a vampire walk free"? What about Lenore? I wish the writers would let Dean bring that up. If Benny or Elizabeth had died, in my opinion, it would have been Sam's fault. Then Sam hangs up on Dean without letting Dean tell him what happened. Sam is so sure he was right. Nope, sorry, asshole, you were wrong.

Sam has a crazy hunter follow Benny, and then when the crazy hunter attacks his brother, did Sam let Martin handcuff Dean or did Sam do it himself so that they could go after Benny to kill him?

I love that Dean sent Sam that fake text. Smart!Dean is Sexy!

I liked Elizabeth and I liked the actress; I hope she shows up again. I thought she and Jensen had some chemistry. Unlike Sam and Amelia, who I still think have no chemistry. Those flashbacks seem to come out of nowhere and I thought they brought the episode to a grinding halt. I hope these flashbacks are done now. But, now we have to suffer through Sam and Amelia in present day. gag.

Since Dean didn't say specifically that Benny killed, I wonder if Elizabeth could have killed Martin when Martin turned his back on her when he was going to cut Benny's head off.

I think I was just so relieved that Benny wasn't dead that I kind of tuned out afterwards.

Me too, except I think I kind of tuned out every time one of those awful Sam-Amelia flashbacks came on.

Edited by exit only, Dec 5, 2012 @ 10:41 PM.

[WynterWolf]

The only thing that really surprised me in this episode….that Dean tricked Sam with that phone call.

That was vintage S1/2 PlaySamLikeAFiddle!Dean. I love that Dean.

The editing was definitely odd, but the Benny bits were still very tense. I kept expecting his granddaughter to attack Martin there at the end, but either way, Martin made his death necessary. I hope Benny can get back on the wagon, the show needs his energy but not as a rogue vamp.

Sam is definitely acting like a tool, but I thought it was so sad that he basically sabotaged himself by jumping the gun and making the only decision he could have complete control over (and consequently controlling the way he would be hurt) by leaving. You are messed up, dude.

But seriously, the real cliffhanger was that promo... CAS!!!!!

[skylarkfreedom]

I screamed incoherently at the television when they switched from Benny about to be decapitated to Sam/Amelia drama. Why is this relationship being treated as some sort of thing the audience is dying to know about?

So glad Benny didn't get offed. I really enjoy his and Dean's interplay. They have more genuine respect for each other than I've seen from Sam and Dean in a long, long time.

On a side note, I have to say that the cinematography in this episode was awesome. It created great atmosphere.

[Sudoka]

I still think Liz might have killed him. I think that's why she had blood all over her hands.

From the way her arms were positioned in the chair I suspect she was tied up. Benny might have got blood on her when he was untying her.