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[TWoP Howard]

From TWoP and ZAP2it:

Nucky makes a deal with Rothstein; Harrow returns to Gillian's brothel; Luciano must take on a new partner after being arrested; Chalky and Capone take on Masseria's men; Margaret decides to end one relationship and resume another.

Season finale!

Edited by TWoP Howard, Feb 16, 2013 @ 11:50 PM.

[AimingforYoko]

Do not fuck. With. Richard. Harrow.
I couldn't believe that Mickey Doyle had gotten that smart. I should have known offering the distillery to Rothstein was Nucky's idea. Can't believe he outfoxed AR.
Speaking of whom, Mr. Rothstein gave a nice lesson to fledgling Murder, Inc. They'll rule the underworld, just not in 1923.

[A Beaverhausen]

Agreed, Yoko. But what happens to Richard now?

[Notsure]

I'm very happy. The people I wanted to die, died, and the people I wanted to live, lived. Bu-bye Gillian. I'll miss your boobs, but that's all.

[buttercupia]

Hopefully, Richard gets cleaned up and comes back to talk to Sagorsky and Julia about the future. I was impressed with Sagorsky. He understood right away what was important.

I'm still absorbing everything that happened. A lot to take in.

ETA-I'm not sure Gillian is dead. They kind of left that up in the air.

Edited by buttercupia, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:12 PM.

[AimingforYoko]

I was impressed with Sagorsky. He understood right away what was important.

That was a soldier recognizing the signs of warfare.
I think Richard turns back to the darkness and offer his services to Nucky.

[FemmyV]

Gillian may well be around to cause trouble next season. Not sure it was the heroin alone that killed the Jimmy look-a-like as much as drowning.

All in all, this could not have been a more satisfying episode. And at least Margaret recognizes her own hypocrisy.

Edited by FemmyV, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:21 PM.

[cherry malotte]

Do not fuck. With. Richard. Harrow.

Indeed. Loved the look on Nucky and Eli's faces as they were walking thru the Artemis Club. Oh Nucky, you'd better put Richard on the top of your hiring list. My heart is heavy for him though, he thinks that he's thrown his chance with that Julia. Somehow I want to think that if he explained the situation she would still accept him. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part though, because I'd love to see Richard have some happiness in some way. I suppose that for his character though, it's not possible. Lots of kudos to Jack Huston, he's been really outstanding as Richard not just in this season but all of them.

So great to see Gyp get it in the end, and at the hands of his number one.

They've definitely left some opportunities open for the next season - I for one can't wait to see Chalky get his nightclub on the boardwalk.

[ReiMehari]

Richard Harrow is a freaking beast.

That is all.

[Rickster]

Nucky has no idea who killed everyone at the Artemis Club, unless Tonino saw him and told Nucky.

Pretty sure Gillian is not dead. If she had fatally ODed, she'd be in the bed, not sitting in the hallway in a daze.

Glad Tonino took out Gyp, but would have preferred it was a clear case of revenge, rather than part of Nucky's plan.

Some really nice plotting around double crossing Rothstein.

[leesha79]

Gillian's still freaking ALIVE! Ugh.

She's going to come down from the heroin and be the same Gillian.

You know what would have been a great ending to this season? Nucky dying. They killed off Jimmy, anything is possible.

[ReiMehari]

Nucky has no idea who killed everyone at the Artemis Club, unless Tonino saw him and told Nucky.

I have a feeling Tonino told Nucky. Something along the lines of "Some crazy bastard with a mask!"

[avaleigh]

I'm glad Gyp died but I was hoping for something a lot worse. He wasn't scared, he seemed hopeful, he trusted his remaining men enough to throw down his weapon, he was making jokes, etc. I wanted his ass to get buried in the sand.

Is Gillian dead? If so it feels appropriate, if not I'm happy to see her character again next season. So sad if her final memories were of when she was raped as a child.

Love that AR finally got outplayed. I wish we'd seen his reaction though. I think he may have pissed off one person too many now that Luciano and Lansky are over him.

[Mikesaunt]

OK, so, Margaret wants to subject her children and herself to live in abject poverty because the love of her life is gone?. Why did she go to get an abortion of her beloved's child if she was that in love? She turned down Nucky because she has seen the light?! If you are written out of the story line next season I won't miss your sanctimonious self. Buh Bye, see ya, so long.

Gyp didn't die hard enough considering how much of a degenerate he has been this season.

Nucky doublecrossed AR--too delicious.

Omg, Richard, please don't go away. Julia I am disappointed in you and surprised by your father's compassion.

Gillian: In the end when she is talking to Nucky in the hall I felt sorry for her. She was hallucinating back to the time when the Commodore had "hurt" her. I thought about the 13 year old girl served up for a man's pleasure. She was messed up from the start. Yeah, she was cray cray for these 3 seasons but I still felt bad for her.

Nucky throwing away the carnation. I think that he was tossing away the old wheeler dealer Nucky. From now on he is the straight up gangster no more hiding under the guise of an amiable,albeit, corrupt elected official. Now he is just the king of AC.

I laughed out loud when the reporters laughed at the Mayor proclaiming he was in charge of AC not Nucky Thompson.


Can't wait to see next season.

Edited by Mikesaunt, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:34 PM.

[LaraHazel]

Pretty sure Gillian is not dead. If she had fatally ODed, she'd be in the bed, not sitting in the hallway in a daze.

Yeah, I think Gyp would have killed her if he hadn't been distracted by Masseria's men leaving.

Did I miss what Capone got out of his deal with Eli and Nucky?

[Pico]

See ya Ms. Rohan pls stay in brooklyn and neva come back. Next season is gonna be weird now that he no longer has the anchors he once did tying him down at home and at work. Hopefully, Chalky got his nightclub.

[wordslinger]

Harrow returns to Gillian's brothel;

That's an understatement. You have to go with the stunned verdict of Gyp's few stragglers on Margate beach: "That guy with the mask. What the f*** was that about?"

Yet in an overall great episode, I think my favorite part was Andrew Mellon's phone call, when I realized how Nucky was double-crossing Rothstein. Nucky paid for Rothstein's help, as he said: but with 99 percent of nothing.

[ReiMehari]

Hey, what was the point of killing Masseria's men if they were leaving Gyp?

I'm sure the answer is obvious, and I'm just not seeing it.

Was it to make a statement?

Edited by ReiMehari, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:40 PM.

[greatoz99]

So, a few holes I'm having trouble with:

- Eli and Nucky are the only 2 that go to the Artemis club? They didn't know about Richard, so they should have been expecting at least Gyp's men to be around. Did they think that the 2 of them could have taken them on?

- Richard was lucky that Masaria's guys left before he got there - he was just able to take care of it himself. If Masaria's guys were still there, Richard would probably have been outgunned

- Why did they have to kill Maseria's guys on the way back to NYC? Won't that piss off Maseria for no good reason (other than revenge)?

- If the heroin was enough to kill Gyp, why wasn't it enough to kill Gillian?

- what happend to the 2 other guys with Gyp on the beach?

[AimingforYoko]

Hey, what was the point of killing Masseria's men if they were leaving Gyp?

That was a straight Michael Corleone play. Nucky was settling all debts.

[LaraHazel]

- Eli and Nucky are the only 2 that go to the Artemis club? They didn't know about Richard, so they should have been expecting at least Gyp's men to be around. Did they think that the 2 of them could have taken them on?

- Richard was lucky that Masaria's guys left before he got there - he was just able to take care of it himself. If Masaria's guys were still there, Richard would probably have been outgunned

- Why did they have to kill Maseria's guys on the way back to NYC? Won't that piss off Maseria for no good reason (other than revenge)?

- If the heroin was enough to kill Gyp, why wasn't it enough to kill Gillian?

- what happend to the 2 other guys with Gyp on the beach?

-Well only Richard was able to take them on so yeah I think that's what Eli and Nucky were planning on taking the handful (I think Gyp said he had nine guys?) of men on themselves. They'd have the element of surprise on their side. Course, Richard is a much better shoot than either of them so they might not have fared as well.

-as for Richard, I thought that maybe he was camping out watching the house, waiting for maybe a time when a bunch of the men would leave on business, and then he saw almost all of them leaving for good and that was his perfect opportunity.

-I have no idea about killing Masseria's guys on the way back to NYC. I wonder if that was something Capone wanted, getting rid of east coast Italians?

-the heroin just works to weaken someone, making them easy to kill, like how Gillian drugged up the subsitute James and then was able to drown him, if he hadn't been drugged he could've overpowered her. So I imagine she had a similar plan for Gyp, weaken him and then...smother him with a pillow? strangle him with the belt?

Edited by LaraHazel, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:48 PM.

[avaleigh]

I was so nervous during the Gillian/Gyp scene because I'd read today that it was going to be "disturbing" even for this show, so thankfully it wasn't as awful as I thought it was going to be. I was sure we were going to see him really hurt her.

OK, so, Margaret wants to subject her children and herself to live in abject poverty because the love of her life is gone?. Why did she go to get an abortion of her beloved's child if she was that in love? She turned down Nucky because she has seen the light?! If you are written out of the story line next season I won't miss your sanctimonious self. Buh Bye, see ya, so long.

At this point I'm not going to miss her either. I can't believe she didn't bother to explain her actions. It's one thing to divorce Nucky and keep her children away from his dangerous lifestyle. It's another thing for her to not take a wad of cash when she so clearly needs it for her kids.

If the heroin was enough to kill Gyp, why wasn't it enough to kill Gillian?

Roger died by drowning not from the heroin. I thought she was planning on strangling Gyp.

edited to clarify.

Edited by avaleigh, Dec 2, 2012 @ 10:51 PM.

[clack]

Action way-over-the-top : the complete fiction of AC as the site for America's 1st major gang war, involving tommy guns years before even Chicago began using them, and then with Richard pulling a Rambo. And then to top it off, Capone and Chalky wiping out Masseria's men. There were 31 of them, right? 7 killed in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and history is made. Richard kills maybe 8 or 9, Capone and Chalky kill 31, and the events are totally forgotten. Ludicrous.

[ReiMehari]

-as for Richard, I thought that maybe he was camping out watching the house, waiting for maybe a time when a bunch of the men would leave on business, and then he saw almost all of them leaving for good and that was his perfect opportunity.

That's what I figure. He's a sniper, and patient enough to wait for the "perfect shot".

Once the majority of Gyp's forced left, he figured he could take the rest. And he was right.

[lazarus73]

the complete fiction of AC as the site for America's 1st major gang war

It is a fictional program.

Man, I hope Margaret's gone forever. Kelly Macdonald has done her best but Margaret brings nothing to the show. Once they chose to have her relapse into Catholic guilt instead of go Lady Macbeth like she did for a while in early Season 2, there was just no place for her in the story.

[Dessert]

This was my final Boardwalk Empire. Good riddance. only watched to see wAndries and who will be returnig. The killing was offensively over the top. I'm glad someone mentioned the St. Valentine's Day Massacre; I was thinking exactly the same thing while I watched this episode.
I hope Margaret is gone, because her character is the only one left with some complexity and humanity. She doesn't fit in with the cartoon characters that remaused some of the women used to be interesting, but they've been reduced to bouncing T&A wallpaper and compliant little mommies. Even Gillian has been become a cardboard villain despite Gretchen Mol's brilliant acting.

[Scoutlet]

Richard is the definition of awesome.

I would have Eli's ninth child. I can't believe how hot Shea Wigham is.

[Arcey]

Well, d'uh! Was I the only one not to realize this?

I couldn't believe that Mickey Doyle had gotten that smart. I should have known offering the distillery to Rothstein was Nucky's idea. Can't believe he outfoxed AR.

I'm dumber than Mickey, for god sakes! :)

Not sure exactly what went down with Margaret at the end. I also didn't miss her character the past two episodes, but I won't mind if she comes back as her original self, not the Margaret of this and most of last season.

I don't think Gillian is necessarily dead either. And I can empathize with Julia not being sympathetic, and also very scared and confused. The father was terrific in the scene -- hard to believe it was the same man.

Like others, I also wondered what Capone is getting for all his "work." I don't think it was clear. Although there are things that are clear as day (see first point above) that I don't hear correctly or understand, so anything's possible.

ETA: Oops! My computer just went wacky on me and I ended up triple posting. Sorry!

Edited by Arcey, Dec 3, 2012 @ 12:30 AM.

[Contralto]

Why did she go to get an abortion of her beloved's child if she was that in love?

Did she do it, though? Margaret seemed surprised to find herself bleeding, and the conversation with the doctor's wife established that she was only a couple of weeks late. Maybe she wasn't pregnant at all. What I couldn't believe was that she could have found an abortionist that easily in a strange city, in 1923.

[Fisher King]

Great finale.

Yeah, Richard!

My hope is that when we return, Richard will be back in good graces with Julia. Gillian will surely have learned something about being appreciative of Richard's wanting to keep Tommy safe--(barely)--but he did.

Margaret will be back; maybe not with Nucky but in some other capacity.

So so so pleased to see Nucky outsmart Rothstein. Very satisfying.