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[TWoP Howard]

From TWoP and ZAP2it:

Gyp makes his move in Atlantic City; Nucky and Eddie must seek refuge with Chalky; Gillian considers a business future with an unwelcome partner; Luciano makes a deal; Harrow loses his house privileges.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Dec 2, 2012 @ 9:40 PM.

[EndoKE]

Ugh Gillian, what a horrible person she is. Richard is more of a complete person than she has ever been.

[yute]

This was by far the best episode of the season, Nucky is now officially a full gangster. Seeing Eli walk out of the car was so triumphant, then Capone walking out made me damn near shout.

[Midge]

Great episode, soooo happy that Chalky hasn't turned on Nucky.

Gillian is unbelievable awful, but I was thrilled to see Richard taking inventory. Really, how stupid is she to alienate the only person in that house who could maybe possibly protect her (& Tommy and the other ladies)?

Eli's redemption is complete, so that's nice. Glad to see Capone in the mix.

So where did Margaret go?

Edited by Midge, Nov 25, 2012 @ 10:03 PM.

[AimingforYoko]

Lucky was lucky they were just cops.

[cherry malotte]

Poor Eddie...I had to have the volume down, but was he speaking Yiddish at one point?

I've really been on the fence with this season, not particularly loving any one episode, but a couple of the storylines, especially with Richard. Now it seems like we are getting some intensity in the last two or thre episodes that I've been missing, and thank heavens.

I sure hope Richard uses one of those weapons on Gillian. Big time. She's just a nasty piece of work that deserves to get off my screen as soon as possible.

[chlyn]

Poor Eddie...I had to have the volume down, but was he speaking Yiddish at one point?

I heard German, at least I thought. Don't know Yiddish.

[buttercupia]

Eddie had BETTER be ok.

MKW was amazing tonight. What a waste he isn't in every episode.

[Rickster]

Eddie was speaking German.

[EndoKE]

How could I have forgotten about all those guns Richard has? Nice to see them all there.

[Midge]

Eddie was speaking German.

Any idea what he was saying?

[chlyn]

Eddie was saying something about "your head." Turned out he was trying to give Nucky courage by reciting the phrase, "If you can keep your head while others around you are losing theirs, etc."

How poignant that, even being wounded, all Eddie can think about is supporting Nucky.

Edited by chlyn, Nov 25, 2012 @ 10:19 PM.

[AimingforYoko]

I loved that when Chalky asked about Eddie's family, Nucky had no clue. At least he had the grace to be somewhat embarrassed about that. We'll see if he takes any of this to heart when the war is over.

[Calliope]

I squee'd when Capone walked forward. "Then we'll talk about who's gonna die." Excellent. Is this going to bring Van Alden into the mix as well? I anticipate the meeting of Nucky and mobbed up Van Alden.

I hope Harrow takes out Gillian and nothing bad happens to his girl and Tommy.

MKW was great. I hope (spec, not spoiler) this leads to more Chalky and some chandalabras next year.

[FemmyV]

Eddie was reciting Rudyard Kipling's poem, "If." Dead white male stuff about how to get through life, sort of.

I came to the episode halfway through and was thrilled with what I saw, starting with Nucky & Chalky.

Between Rosetti & Gillian, enough bad karma has been racked up for death 3x over. Gyp entertains me more, but Gillian has subtlety enough that she'll more likely get another season, I think. Looking forward to the day Richard starts using those guns.

Edited by FemmyV, Nov 25, 2012 @ 10:37 PM.

[LaundryBeDamned]

Was anyone able to make out what Richard had written beneath the photo in his scrapbook of his pose with Julia and Tommy? I caught "Not afraid of" but missed the last word of the caption.

[ophelia12]

I think it read " not afraid of camels."

[lambie]

So much badassery tonight! I had two "Hell, yeah!" moments: when Chalky was sitting in his chair like a motherfucking boss and when Al said he needed a meal, a bath, and then they'd talk about who was going to die.

Gillian gave me the creepiest creeps she's ever given me, college weekend included. That scene of Richard methodically putting out his weapons cheered me. A lot.

Eli was pretty badass tonight. I hope his outrage of Nucky involving his nephew goes somewhere. Eli has been a lot of things over the years but he has always kept his kids out of it. All this while Chalky brings in his future son-in-law. Samuel held his own though. Maybelle wants a BAMF for a husband? She's got one.

I was so over Margaret but I actually wanted to see her this week with the fallout from Owen. One more episode? Just when it was getting awesome!

[ceelovejay]

Where did Nucky send Margaret & brood off to? I suppose we won't see the aftermath of Owen's killing until next season. Oh well.

I'm so happy Chalky backed Nucky. I pray that Eddie is okay. I cheered when Eli & Capone showed up in the final scene. Next week can't come soon enough. Gillian...Richard was the one person who probably would have protected you (and only because Tommy's still there). Seeing him pull out his arsenal made me excited!

[Bookrat]

I really didn't think that Nucky had figured out Margaret had had an affair with Owen. I thought he thought she was just upset because her/his protector and driver had been killed. I figured we'd see Katie overcome with grief that her future husband had been killed...but no. I was wrong. Nucky knew straight off Margaret had been stepping out on him. I guess there's no way now she fool him into thinking that baby could be his. I guess she'll go the abortion route? Not seeing how Nucky and Margaret are going to get back together now.

[kc77]

This has got to be the best episode of the season, so far!

From the looks of the finale preview, Richard is definitely
taking care of the guys in the brothel, and I think that Gyp is going to choke Gillian to death.
Gillian will do something to piss him off. She realized right away how screwed she was the moment he said was staying.

I'm hoping against all hope, that, it's a one on one showdown, between Nucky and Gyp.

Part of me thinks that, Gillian sent Richard away to save him. I hoped she was going to let Tommy go too, knowing he is innocent in all this and in major danger.

Edited by kc77, Nov 26, 2012 @ 12:25 AM.

[thuganomics85]

Man, it took them a while, but they sure packed in the awesomeness for this episode, with Chalky finally (!) getting a ton of screen time and being awesome, Richard preparing to go Def-Con 5 on some assholes, and Nucky's saviors coming in the bizarre form of both Eli (you know, the brother who actually tried to help kill him last season) and hothead Capone. Great ending. Only thing that might have been slightly better would have been Capone somehow forcing Van Alden to come along. That would have been a fun reunion.

I hope Eddie pulls through; felt for the poor guy. Liked the scene when Nucky realized he didn't know if he even had family, and it seemed to dawn on him how he has mistreated him and taken him for granted. Curious to see if he'll learn anything.

Oh, Creepy Gillian. Here I was feeling slightly bad for you over Gyp taking over your whorehouse, but you just had to throw out Richard, and make me hate you again. You really are a piece of work. That said, I'm intrigued over the Gyp/Gillian hook-up scene next week, because last time we saw either of them bed someone, the other person was brutally killed. So, will the tradition continue?

Liked how they found a way to get Chalky's future son-in-law involved. And Eli's son, although I hope this doesn't mean anything bad will happen to either of them.

I didn't even really mind no Rothstein for this episode. At least it looks like he'll be back for the finale.

Why can't it already be next Sunday?

Edited by thuganomics85, Nov 26, 2012 @ 1:18 AM.

[Scoutlet]

That episode was awesome. So much payoff for what came before. Bromances forever: Lucy and Meyer, Nucky and Eddie, Nucky and Chalky, Chalky and his SiL. I was on the edge of my seat. I was an Owen fan, and I didn't even miss him.

Eddie was reciting the Rudyard Kipling poem "If," a favorite of men of the era and any British-influenced young men of the twentieth century. It's a classic and one of my husband's favorites. I used to love it too, until I discover Kipling was an anti-Catholic asshole and sent his own son to die in WWI. After his son was killed (and he never did discover exactly how, as was all too common in that war) he was never the same and questioned everything that he had espoused before the war. His wife was an American, too. But I digress.

But it was a great choice for the moment, I won't deny it.

If anything had happened to Eli's son, I would have cut a bitch.

Just an amazing episode.

[ColoredFrancie]

My burning questions:
-So, Eddie knew about Margaret and Owen, right?
-Did Gyp really believe Chalky's story about the woman in the house as the reason Gyp couldn't enter? (I thought Gyp did know, but didn't want to cross Chalky that early and just figured the reward would get Nucky out in less than a day)

[jennifda]

Gillian will do something to piss him off.

Yep, with those two it is a powder keg waiting to blow. She is out of practice being the "geisha" (as she previously called herself), so in some way she will insult him and he is a man always looking to be be insulted. As long as Tommy makes it out, I will be very happy with the situation.

Nucky and the Mrs. will have to play out pretty interestingly. I don't think she will have an abortion, but I don't think he will be able to take being disgraced by her being either perceived as pregnant with his child and left by him in any way (either penniless or rich, if he cuts her off it will look weird to others) or it would be assumed the baby is not his and her screwing around would make him look bad. I think they will have to fake happy families until he actually starts loving the kid (as he already does her other children). Or she will lose it and they will bond that way. I don't see any other way they can write it at this point.

Edited by jennifda, Nov 26, 2012 @ 12:50 AM.

[ColoredFrancie]

Scoutlet: I was an Owen fan, and I didn't even miss him.

Me, too! I was so swept up in all the action, the episode was actually a nice change-up from the sour feelings of the last one. Although I really need someone - a cop, a hotel staffer - to get. Owen. out. of. that. crate.

thuganomics85: I'm intrigued over the Gyp/Gillian hook-up scene next week, because last time we saw either of them bed someone, the other person was brutally killed. So, will the tradition continue?

Good observation. I’m more than intrigued to see it. In fact, I’m kind of disgusted with myself at how much I want to see Gyp and Gillian get down. Sexy, awful bastards. I still think other people besides them deserve to be the ones to kill them, though.

ceelovejay: I suppose we won't see the aftermath of Owen's killing until next season. Oh well.

We know Margaret makes some sort of appearance in the final episode, but I still don’t think there’ll be enough time in one ep. There’s way too much to work out in that whole mess, including the Luciano, Sawicki potential roles.

[maatkare]

So, Eddie knew about Margaret and Owen, right?
-Did Gyp really believe Chalky's story about the woman in the house as the reason Gyp couldn't enter? (I thought Gyp did know, but didn't want to cross Chalky that early and just figured the reward would get Nucky out in less than a day)

I think Eddie had his suspicions, and Nucky tacitly accepted his non-confession because of the loyalty it implied. Re: Chalky--I thought he was strongly implying he had not just a woman but possibly a *white* woman inside, hence the comment about keeping his johnson attached. And crazy though he might be, Gyp knew odds were even as to escaping unscathed if he started a shootout. Boy, Maybelle sure got the beau she wanted, didn't she? And Chalky repeats history as future son in law takes care of business as Chalky did for his wife. I really wish we'd get the full story of the White family. I definitely enjoyed he and Purnsley's little double-team pistol action. Hope both survive 'til next season. Gillian. Hate. Die. Badly. But I fear for Richard's odds, even with his arsenal.

the Rudyard Kipling poem "If," a favorite of men of the era and any British-influenced young men of the twentieth century. It's a classic and one of my husband's favorites. I used to love it too, until I discover Kipling was an anti-Catholic asshole

And racist--let us not forget "White Man's Burden," which pretty much killed my "Jungle Book" love in high school. But "If" is a great poem, nonetheless.

[Pallas429]

Gillian's sending Richard away seems no end of contrived. Yes, they have done their job of setting it up, just as they did Jimmy's downfall last year. But in the same way, I don't buy the premise. It's more character assassination before actually assassinating the character.

For all her many, many faults and quirks, Gillian is a canny survivor who does know the difference between a Nucky and a Gyp as her "protector." Nucky kept his hands off, even with his hand out. I have no trouble believing Gillian seeks vengeance on Nucky for his role in procuring her and for his murdering her son. And it is her method to use men against each other, in pursuit of her aims. But it makes more sense to me that we would have seen her at least try to persuade Richard to act as her agent. Far more sense than her keeping him around, only to under-employ him, then cutting him loose at the very moment she found herself passing into the hands of another (would-be) Commodore.

Yes she's crazy, jealous and spiteful. But she is most perversely these things when it suits the writers' convenience.

[Scoutlet]

I have such complicated feelings toward Kipling and Churchill, but I don't think the writers of this episode were at all clued in to that. They just understood the meaning of the poem to everyone -young and old - and having Eddie recite it in German (or Yiddish, whatever) just underscored its universal import. Except in fact it's not universal, but......whatever, the show is complicated enough as it is. It was well played.

The scenes at the house with Chalky and his men were just SO GOOD. The kid who plays Samuel was outstanding in his last episode and he didn't disappoint. Best of all I was not even expecting his return, and it was just so perfect. I want to know who he is and what he is doing next.

I think SB is perfect for this part, no matter what anyone says. I buy him as a gentle soul, probably a mild-mannered kid who wanted to please adults, a man who who would adopt and love another man's children. I also buy him as a cold-blooded and determined gangster. "This is My Town." YES!

Edited by Scoutlet, Nov 26, 2012 @ 1:10 AM.

[maatkare]

having Eddie recite it in German (or Yiddish, whatever) just underscored its universal import. Except in fact it's not universal, but......whatever, the show is complicated enough as it is. It was well played...I think SB is perfect for this part, no matter what anyone says...YES!

I was struck at how much more comfortable he seemed unbathed and in his shirtsleeves. We've seen him so carefully dressed, combed & hatted...I got the sense that Scruffy Nucky is his true self and he's ultimately more comfortable that way than in the trappings of respectable society he's been so desperately striving for the whole series. And re: "If"--don't get me wrong--I recognize the period it was written, etc., etc. And I agree, the show used it perfectly.