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[TWoP Tennison]

Sorry, there was no episode description in the listing guide for tonight!

[hadapurpura]

Deb told Dexter about her feelings!!! And smoking pot afterwards.

Harrycination seems strangely blasé about the whole thing, by the way.

Dexter's so stupid, giving all his family info to Hannah. You'll regret it, man.

"I'm the Avon lady" - quote of the night.

And while everyone's in a revolution, LaGuerta's quietly closing in on Dexter.

[Canadian Bakin]

Wow, I don't recall an episode pulling on my emotions in so many ways in a long time. Deb, the kids, Dexter realizing his feelings ...

Oh and I can't be the only one who found Hanna and Isaac hot in the same episode?

** hoping that isn't boards on boards, as it is more of a reaction to the episode and wondering about a broader feeling

Edited by Canadian Bakin, Nov 18, 2012 @ 10:05 PM.

[reeneebob]

I really, really liked the ending montage. Like, a LOT. I was horrified on behalf of Deb too.

I want La Guerta dead. I don't want her to get too close to Dexter. I know I shouldn't think that, but I wouldn't miss her.

Is it me, or are there anvils about Angel?

And I really liked Hanna AND Isaac tonight.

[ECAmber]

Thoughts in no particular order:

If there were a drama that consisted solely of Dexter and Issac it would be infinitely better than this. The scene of those two talking in the bar had me wishing that they could find some sort of uneasy truce if only to hear them wax philosophic.

The minute Deb let her little secret slip I KNEW she would be getting high before the end of the episode.

I felt like they screwed up the timeline somehow... LaGuerta finds out Dex moved the boat in 2007, I'm assuming it's 2012... was it really two years between season two and Harrison being born??

Speaking of Harrison: good to see you buddy!! Cody - meh. Typical kid... but Astor, that young lady is turning into the next Juliette Lewis. I found it interesting that she pulled the "it's legal in a few states".. at the time of filming that wasn't the case.

As to Deb - her character is just a damn chameleon.... or a bee. It's really just all over the place. I cannot fathom how or why she hasn't put a gun to her head. My head is spinning just trying to watch her keep her shit together, but the weight of the crap she is dealing with is so unbelievably over the top that it actually pulls me out of the show. I mean she fell in love with a serial killer - ok. That's happened before. And then a guy who hunts serial killer... who was murdered along with her sister in law and is in love with yet ANOTHER serial killer who also happens to be her step brother who was the biological brother to the first serial killer she loved. At this point it's just fucking silly.

I did like the closing scene with Dex VOing about what "home" is... for some reason the scene of Hannah opening the doors to the greenhouse and welcoming him in was rather sweet. It's strange... sometimes I like those two, others it feels really forced - like the breakfast scene. It was like season 1 Dexter who had no idea how to deal with a woman.

ETA: I am loving the slow pace of LaGuerta... it's damn near perfect. It's so quiet, so unobtrusive it's almost like Dexter. It's almost like LaGuerta was a cop the whole time - who knew?

Quinn who?

Edited by ECAmber, Nov 18, 2012 @ 10:15 PM.

[valny]

Oh crap, Deb said the L word to Dex. Ugh, I can never unhear that now, I've been dreading it even though I hoped that storyline was put to bed. But when they started arguing like a married couple tonight whose husband was cheating, I was feeling uncomfortable.

And finally we have confirmation that Isaac and Victor were lovers. Heh, I knew it was going to be a gay bar they were in before the reveal.

Is it me, or are there anvils about Angel?

Oh man, it was raining anvils!

Edited by valny, Nov 18, 2012 @ 10:35 PM.

[bcharmer]

If there were a drama that consisted solely of Dexter and Issac it would be infinitely better than this. The scene of those two talking in the bar had me wishing that they could find some sort of uneasy truce if only to hear them wax philosophic.

That was the best part of the episode. Can't we keep Isaak? Pretty please? Great character, great acting.

Hannah still annoys me. And I hate mouthy teenagers ("I get it. Pot is evil. Are we done here?"), especially when the adults don't call them out on their mouthiness. I also wondered how that "it's legal in a few states" line got in there? How did they know this would be true?
Hmmm...

Deb confessing her feelings to Dexter. They hinted at that in the previews, but I didn't expect her to blurt it out. Poor Deb. If anyone could use a little pot, it's her.

Edited by bcharmer, Nov 18, 2012 @ 10:24 PM.

[Irlandesa]

I burst out laughing when Deb was confessing her feelings for Dexter. It was just so crazy. It's a crazy position for her to be in and a crazy story for them to do. At the same time I was loving it because even though I think it was a huge misstep for them to go there last season, I really hate when shows suddenly decide to pretend something that happened didn't happen. What they're doing is risky and has the possibility of being a huge failure but I admire the boldness of putting things on the line when they usually just played it safe.

Speaking of playing it safe, LaGuarta is a dead woman walking, isn't she? Issac is a dead man walking. Oh well, at least he'll be reunited with his lover.

I didn't like Lila. I didn't like Lumen and I don't particularly like Hannah. Eventually Dexter will have to choose. I wonder who will make him choose.

[Blue32]

Harrycination seems strangely blasé about the whole thing, by the way.

Seriously. He was all, "Jesus Christ, Dexter, just handle your shit."

At the same time I was loving it because even though I think it was a huge misstep for them to go there last season, I really hate when shows suddenly decide to pretend something that happened didn't happen. What they're doing is risky and has the possibility of being a huge failure but I admire the boldness of putting things on the line when they usually just played it safe.

I was also impressed that the writers actually went there with Deb revealing to Dexter that she is (was?) in love with him, even though I wasn't surprised, since they seem to have been building towards it all season. They could have just that particular plot thread dangle, but they didn't.

[NiagaraDvr]

Astor and Cody are not only terrible names but they are obnoxious and the actors are awful.
Isaac is awesome. I like how Dexter wanted to let him walk away. I love Hannah. I hope she survives. I also hope La Guerta succeeds. She is a good cop

[Diane M]

Wow, that scene when Deb told Dexter she was in love with him!!! Jennifer Carpenter is one hell of an actress.

[marie caroline]

The scene of those two talking in the bar had me wishing that they could find some sort of uneasy truce if only to hear them wax philosophic.

Had me fantasizing a threesome.

The Dexter theme music always gives me chills.

Dexter must like being with a woman capable of poisoning him if he cheats on her. I would have skipped the omelette.

Edited by marie caroline, Nov 19, 2012 @ 12:22 AM.

[drtina1]

Dexter and Issac were the best part of the whole show to me. I loved all their interactions, and they saved the best one for last in the bar. I agree with ECAmber - Issac needs to learn how to quit his Dexter vendetta because those guys are awesome together! Incredible acting and dialogue really.

For the sake of continuity, I am glad that they didn't let Deb's "in love" feelings for Dexter vanish. It's all sorts of messed up, but I think it was important for Dexter to learn. Mind you, it really isn't going to go anywhere at all. I can't see it going anywhere. But everything might as well be out on the table now.

Poor Deb....she is the biggest victim of this entire series! The sins of Harry and Dexter have pretty much screwed her over again and again. Speaking of Harry, I liked Dexter's comments to Astor about how he could have been someone different if he had chosen not to "drink the Kool-Aid" that Harry force fed him. Personally, I really wish Harry was still alive because if Dexter and Deb should kill anyone....it's him! At the very least, Harry should have the absolute shit beat out of him because he's managed to royally screw over both his children and countless others by not getting Dexter the help he needed from the get-go. He helped shape Dexter into who he is today, and then he couldn't handle it when he saw the results of his "parenting." UGH!

LaGuerta's slow, methodical sleuthing is working for me. I really don't want Dexter getting caught, but I like how it's happening quietly in the background.

What are all the anvils they are talking about with Angel? Are people saying he's going to die? Maybe so, but I really think Quinn is going to die, too. In fact, when they showed him in his car at the end and the camera panned down, I thought maybe they were going to show a bomb hidden underneath his car or something.

Nice to see the kids tonight. Cody is annoying, but the actress who plays Astor did a great job. Can't believe how big Harrison has gotten. I'm not sure Hannah knowing them is going to backfire, but you never know. She did seem genuinely happy to see Dexter with kids...if maybe a bit envious.

[meandthemoon]

Jennifer Carpenter is the best crier on TV.

[cerealboxkiller]

Oh fuck this show. They actually went there.

[LA Don]

Seriously excellent work tonight by Jennifer Carpenter, Ray Stevenson, and Yvonne Strahovski! Each one of them had a moment where their character had to confront something that they'd prefer to keep hidden, and each one made a different choice. Each choice was totally within character and each was superbly executed, and (I just realized) was in a scene opposite Michael C. Hall.

Although the bar scene was my favorite, it doesn't diminish how much I enjoyed the other two.

Serious props all around!

[cerveza]

Holy hell I can't believe she said it! I actually gasped. loud. No clue where the writers are going to take that now (shudder), but damn JC is one hell of an actress.

Loved Isaac tonight, loved the scene in the bar. Can't help it though I am loathing Hannah. She kills innocent people. Dex is going to remember that eventually I'm hoping.

We know LaGuerta can't be long for this show but who is going to do the deed? My money is on Hannah.

great episode!


"It's one thing to be in love with your brother but another thing when he's a Goddamn F*cking serial killer!"

[BroughtBackIn]

I am ecstatic that Deb finally told Dex she is in love with him, because she is. The show is going there and I have a strong feeling Dexter will realize that Hannah is toxic for him, and he is in love with Deb, as well. I have been wrong before, but I don't see why they would bring it back out if that wasn't the case. It doesn't bother me one bit.

What bothers me 4 bits is that the writers have turned our Dexter into this pansy-ass, cry-baby, clingy, needy, and almost desperate wimp. THAT, he is not. WAKE UP writers! We want our Dexter back. Like I said last week, "Where in fucktopia is our Dexter?"

and is in love with yet ANOTHER serial killer who also happens to be her step brother

Dexter and Deb are not step-anything. He was adopted and they share no parents through blood, marriage or otherwise.

[cranberry]

They probably filmed two versions of the "it's legal in a few states" bit and went with the relevant one.

Love Jennifer Carpenter. Could not imagine anyone else as Deb Morgan. Still, whenever she has to deliver lines about how much Dexter hurt her, etc., my mind wanders to their real-life relationship and it's uncomfortable.

How weird that I'm sort of rooting for LaGuerta to figure things out. I want Dexter to win in the end but I'm getting a strange satisfaction in watching her piece it together. I guess she at least deserves to know she was right about Doakes all this time.

Edited by cranberry, Nov 19, 2012 @ 1:17 AM.

[Peekay]

I'm questioning my sense of morality because I think I'm more pissed at Dexter for royallly screwing Deb emotionallly and mentally in practically every way imaginable than for being a serial killer. This is sad indeed, but still, poor Deb. The girl can't catch a break.

And while I find Hannah a believable character and love the actress who plays her, it's just too hard to reconcile Dexter having feelings for her this quickly. It just doesn't feel like Dexter. At least with Lumen, I felt it was a lot more organic.

[rookie]

This episode was awesome and reminded me a lot of why I still watch this show.

And while I find Hannah a believable character and love the actress who plays her, it's just too hard to reconcile Dexter having feelings for her this quickly. It just doesn't feel like Dexter. At least with Lumen, I felt it was a lot more organic.

This! Minus the part about Hannah being believable and loving the actress who plays her. With Lumen I felt like there was a real possibility this person could become a central character to the show. That relationship felt very real to me and I felt the chemistry between the actors. To me, Hannah is just a roadblock to where I think they could possibly end up; Deb and Dex. Not my first choice, but I'm starting to think its the only place left to go. As weird as it is, Dexter's love for Hannah isn't so much about Hannah but about what Hannah means. A person he can be open with, who won't judge him and who he can share his entire life with. Hannah fits that bill right now, but we all know she can't stay alive much longer. Deb is Dexter's best friend and if she were to stop judging him and fully except him, I could see them developing their relationship into something more.

As for the stuff with LaGuerta, I'm half rooting for her half hoping she falls into a ditch somewhere. She's always sorta been a shitty character, it would be nice to see her figure it out for once. Although knowing this show, she probably will figure it out- right on time for Dex to 'silence' her.

[evaku]

Honestly I don't mind that Dexter fell for Hannah so fast. The very first time he saw her you could tell that he felt an attraction for her. Sometimes in life that kind of stuff just happens. I get that Dexter is the last person we might expect to fall so quickly and so hard, but hey, it happens. If Dexter just stayed the same then what would be the point. He's come a very long way. At the beginning of season one he was so weird and awkward when it came to sexual things with Rita, he's obviously had a lot of experience since then and for once he seems to have been totally overcome with feelings of attraction, which have now changed into deeper feelings because of the way that Hannah accepts him and such. I'm not just trying to excuse this because I want him to be with Hannah, because in all honesty I'm not such a huge fan of it. I just mean that when I'm watching, I get it. I don't think he ever wanted to kill her. I think he had other "wants" and mistook it for wanted to kill her. He should realize that she's probably a loose cannon likely to poison him if he does something to upset her, but like Issac said, sometimes love doesn't really make sense. Dexter is human after all. Much different from most humans, of course, and at the beginning of the series this might not have happened, but I do feel that over the course of the last 7 years he has had major growth in the regular human feeling department. I believe that he grew to love Rita, he obviously loves his son, and he loves Deb. This isn't the same person from the beginning of the series and I'm glad that he's not negating all that growth and change and just killing a woman who he obviously had an attraction to.

Edited by evaku, Nov 19, 2012 @ 3:19 AM.

[teevee100]

I am ecstatic that Deb finally told Dex she is in love with him, because she is. The show is going there and I have a strong feeling Dexter will realize that Hannah is toxic for him, and he is in love with Deb, as well. I have been wrong before, but I don't see why they would bring it back out if that wasn't the case. It doesn't bother me one bit.

100% agree.

Debra stole the episode and was tremendous but there were so many great scenes. Isaak and Dexter at the bar was amazing but no on has mentioned them at the crime scene in his apartment when Isaak was jabbing Dexter with all those sly comments "My, my, you couldn't have described that better had you been there yourself". I even liked the scene with Dexter and Hannah at the beach

[dezi]

Delurking to share my irritation.

I loathe Hannah. Schmoopy Dexter is so unappealing. I don't see that much of a difference between Hannah and Lila. When he stopped thinking with his penis he was appalled with Lila yet he is so inexplicably drawn to, and apparently in love with, Hannah. I am not buying it. The people that Dexter cares for the most have been those who represent positivity:

Deb - integrity
Rita - kindness
Harrison - innocence
Lumen - justice

I just don't get what he is getting from her that is so novel that he can't think straight. I know they are trying to pimp her as this paragon of acceptance but, no matter how many times he VOs it, she isn't the first person to accept him. Lila did, Lumen did and Deb is well on her way.

Dexter knows what happens when he makes nice with the murderers he's supposed to kill. His wife ends up dead in a bathtub filled with her own blood and his baby son is kidnapped by a lunatic and held at sword point. I cannot think of any earthly reason why he thinks it's a good idea to make her aware of, let alone bring her around his children. Is he grooming her for step-mommyhood? I would think Dexter realises that it's bad enough for Harrison having Dexter as a papa that he would go above and beyond to shield him from that part of his life. I just can't with S7 Dexter.

I have various scenarios in mind for Hannah's death. My favourite is one that was mentioned by some last week: as Deb's first kill. The woman has been through hell and back, she deserves one good psychotic break and Hannah is the perfect candidate to be on the receiving end. It'll be some nice karma for Dexter as well. I was right there with Deb when she was declaring her love for him. She sounded like a woman pleading with a guy to leave his girl for her(which I would normally find pathetic but not in this instance). It feels like Dexter is choosing Hannah over Deb which is upsetting because he has always loved Deb best.

Things aren't looking good for Quinn, Angel and LaGuerta. I have wanted Quinn dead since early S3 so, please. I have a grudging respect for Maria so it's not cool that she is now in a position where there is no way she will live to see another season. I like/sometimes love Angel so I hope the weirdness with him this season isn't a lead up to a tragedy.

[myriadphalanx]

I felt like they screwed up the timeline somehow... LaGuerta finds out Dex moved the boat in 2007, I'm assuming it's 2012... was it really two years between season two and Harrison being born??

I'm not totally sure about the timeline but I think at least 6-12 months had passed between the end of S2 and the start of S3. "Dexter time" isn't the same as our time, since S5 began immediately after S4 and this season started immediately after S6. (Which is crazy if you think about it, since in the show's world, the entire Doomsday Killer storyline took place just in the previous month. That's a rough eight-week stretch for the Dexter gang.)

[purplebubbles]

This was such a good episode! A true return to form. Not nearly as compelling as Homeland was (although no other drama on TV is at the moment, IMHO) but still very exciting.

I absolutely cringed at the incest reveal, but Jennifer absolutely killed that scene. Speaking of, she's hinted in interviews that Deb's romantic feelings for Dexter would not go as far as a legit romance, and I'm hoping against hope that it won't. Oh and I kind of loved her getting stoned with Astor at the end. We should see Deb blow off more steam like that. There isn't - and there has never been, I think, another female character on TV like Deb. She's so unconventional yet complex, and if JCarpenter never gets an Emmy nom... I will never forgive them.

I literally yelled WHAT THE HELL when Dexter slit that guys throat. I was seriously shocked. That was completely bloodthirsty and Dexter is definitely sliding off the rails at this point. I'm sort of eager to see how he's going to deal with the discovery of Deb's true feelings for him.

Whenever Harry showed up I wanted to slap him in the face. He's messed up those children of his so. Much.

Two scenes I found striking - Hannah's envy over Dexter's family when he by all rights deserves to go to jail as much as she does, (the only time I've felt real sympathy for her character) and the conversation between Isaak and Dexter, which was beautifully acted by both Stevenson and MCH.

Finally - LaGuerta! I am 95% expecting her to shuffle off the mortal coil at the end of this season because nobody gets to find out about Dexter and then live. But I hope for her sake that she finds the truth out about Doakes before she snuffs it. Who knows - she might relay enough information to Matthews who'll pick up the investigation for her next season.

[Mama No Life]

For the sake of continuity, I am glad that they didn't let Deb's "in love" feelings for Dexter vanish. It's all sorts of messed up, but I think it was important for Dexter to learn. Mind you, it really isn't going to go anywhere at all. I can't see it going anywhere. But everything might as well be out on the table now.

Agreed.

Best line of the night, "You're a goddamn serial killer and I'm more fucked up than you are..." JC hit that scene out of the park. Also loved Dexter's reaction...he just looked at her like, WTF?

I'm actually into the Hannah/Dex thing. I know, I hate me too. I can't put my finger on why, but it's hot.

Going to enjoy seeing LaGuerta get hers...can't stand that bitch.

And bar scene with Isaak? Amazing. Love their chemistry...

[AnalogHeart]

As weird as it is, Dexter's love for Hannah isn't so much about Hannah but about what Hannah means.

This x 1000. Yes. And that's why he fell so hard for her. All his life he's had to hide and this season, he's out to Hannah, to Deb, to Issak. He's the most honest he's ever been and the most scared, I imagine. That last scene where he walked into her arms felt like he was "coming home".

The part where Deb blurts out her feelings for him left me stunned - JC did such an amazing job with it (and I wondered how their real life feelings played into her ability to bring the feeling there) and I could feel her heartbreak, her amazement at where her life has ended up, and her overwhelming sadness about all of it. Stellar scene. She's such a great character.

Probably THE BEST ep this season, I think. I have no idea where the writers are going to take Dexter as things wind down for the end next year but this has been a great ride so far. (And almost makes up for the serious shitfest that was last season.)

[VioletMarx]

Dexter and Deb are not step-anything. He was adopted and they share no parents through blood, marriage or otherwise.

You're right, they're not steps. They're actual brother and sister. They share two parents who raised them together since before they could speak. Was Dexter even walking yet when Harry found him with his mother's body? Deb must have been an infant.

I personally look forward to a future wedding of a couple of the Brangelina kids! I'm sure Brad would love to walk his daughter down the aisle to marry that kid who isn't really his anyway.

I find the idea that adopted children are not "anything" to each other really, really insulting.

Edited by VioletMarx, Nov 19, 2012 @ 8:36 AM.

[AnalogHeart]

I find the idea that adopted children are not "anything" to each other really, really insulting.

I think the other poster was speaking about blood-genetic makeup relationships rather than familial ones.

My take on it is that Deb has been safe with Dexter all her life just about and she equates safety with love - especially since pretty much everyone else she's loved has died. He's her "home" and she has yet to find someone else who can also make her feel that way. Thus, she thinks she's "in love" with him.

Does that make sense to anyone else? I just don't get a sexy-time vibe from her about it. Much more of a "you're my safe place" feeling - something that seems to have been shattered all to hell by her finding out who he really is.

Edited by AnalogHeart, Nov 19, 2012 @ 9:02 AM.