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[TWoP Tennison]

New episode...

[ThatPoshGirl]

Wow, Dr. Bloodyface has an awesome house. Do you know how hard it is to find a house with a basement like that?

Poor Anne Frank.

So, does Arden have another secret lab where he is keeping Alma? Who else could have done female-Gollum's surgery (forgot her name)?

[tension92]

It sucks that Dr. Oliver is Bloddyface but it's cool that the most harmless character can be the sickest.

[Nightmare Logic]

Wait did they just Lobotomize Anne Frank?

And the aliens make their triumphant return.
!
Monster Shelly has escaped....to the grade school playground. So that's where my fear of monkey bars come from.

Am I starting like Sister Jude? This feels wrong...very wrong. Well at least I still hate Arden.

I bet Lana now wishes she was back in the nice safe asylum.

Calling Dr. Thredson has Bloody Face wasn't much of a leap but what he does next is going to be interesting especially now that he seems to have his sights on Lana for some reason.....maybe having something to do with 2012 Bloody Face....maybe not.

I liked the scene between Kit and Grace it was well done.

The episode started slow...but it ended with a kick.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Nov 14, 2012 @ 11:16 PM.

[dizzyd]

I found this to be a very underwhelming episode and I found myself distracted through most of it. Poor Lana, from the frying pan into the fire.

[mustbekarma]

I found this incredibly....boring. So the shrink is Bloody Face? I thought the reveal was anti-climatic. I don't know; he just didn't seem scary to me. I've watched too much Criminal Minds, I guess. I just don't find Doctor Bloody Face scary.

The music choices really took me out of the episode. I guess they were going for juxtaposition of cheerful song to horrific happenings, but I didn't buy it. "Wonderful, Wonderful" during the inbred murderers in The X-Files was the last time I was creeped out by a wonderful song used in ugly circumstances.

I just don't think this episode was very good. I think having two serial killers and a demon in the same series just detracts from one another instead of upping the horror quotient. Oh, and I guess aliens are still a go, too.

[courvilles]

Jesus, that was all sorts of messed up.

So, Thredson said to the guard "I never did work here" (I'm paraphrasing) So, does that
mean he stole the real Thredson's identity and he's not a psychiatrist at all?

[fester01]

So, a lot of people on here were right about Dr. Thredson. Good call. My question is, are the aliens working with him and vice-versa, or are they accidentally providing "alibis" for each other?

Also, did I misinterpret the last scene with Anne Frank, or is she just pretending to be cured? Finally, did anyone else laugh at the self-loathing eyeroll of self-loathing Jude gave when she woke up with that random guy, or was it just me?




I know Lily Rabe is supposed to be possessed, but I can't help but notice she has beautiful eyes.

[LunaIndigo]

As someone who had a baby 3 months ago, the flash backs of Anne's "psychosis" really freaked me out. Made me feel very blessed because postpartum psychosis is real and unfortunately happens to many women out there. In fact that part scared me more than the Bloody Face reveal.

So...Alma is "alive" and I guess impregnated with an alien/human hybrid? And that's what they tried to do with Grace and her body is "rejecting" the fetus? Pure speculation on my part. I wonder why they sent Grace back but kept Alma?

[Turkish]

I knew when Thredson started recording Kit that it was all a set-up to frame him as Bloody Face.

I feel bad for poor Lana because I have a feeling things are going to get all kinds of worse for her. I'm calling it now that she gets raped and possibly impregnated by Thredson. Between the return of Alma and Grace's abduction, that mural featuring all those babies is starting to make more and more sense now.

So what exactly is Eunice's plan regarding Arden and those mutants. Why release Chloe Sevigny out into such a public place like that if she doesn't want Arden and these experiments to be exposed in some way? I also get the feeling based on a few seconds in that promo that the real Eunice is still in there somewhere and might start fighting back.

I'm really not getting how the Aliens tie into Bloody Face and Arden's mutants. Hopefully, this will be explained in a way that makes sense by the end of the season.

[tsukiakari]

The way ZQ changes his expression from a mild-mannered doctor to a psychotic was chilling. I was immediately scared for Lana the minute he took off his glasses.

[Exploding Whale]

Where the heck is Pepper??

[drtina1]

I thought the episode slowly built up to a lot of kickers right at the end. It is such a messed up show. We think it's bad when we first are introduced to the place and the people, and then they unleash about 10 times more crazy things right on top of it!

Dr. Thredson was near the top of my Bloody Face suspects list. I could tell from the few times that we saw Bloody Face that his eyes were brown. I thought maybe they had ZQ in glasses so you wouldn't be able to get a good look at his eyes. And, if you think about it, Dr. Thredson had a real Clark Kent thing going on with the glasses, and when he takes them off, he takes on a much sinister look.

From now on, I'm calling him....Dr. Threddy Bloody Face!

When Thredson says that she can tell his story, I knew he meant the story of Bloody Face. After all, the whole reason why she went to the asylum in the first place was to get the story on Bloody Face from Kit. I am so beyond disturbed with what he's going to do with her, though. Poor Lana!

[jennifda]

I wonder why they sent Grace back but kept Alma?

Because Grace is as annoying as all get out? Kit, seriously, act smarter than you look!

So, does Arden have another secret lab where he is keeping Alma?

Man, I hope not! The thought of Mr. Mossy Banks and Alma makes my skin crawl worse than Adam's (who?) ripped off arm.

Edited by jennifda, Nov 14, 2012 @ 11:59 PM.

[FinePoint]

This is really approaching the gross-out factor of the Saw movies. Not sure if I like it or not. I did think season 1 was less gore, more supernatural scare, whereas this season is more of the potential of the scariness of human-kind. Although I can't quite figure out how space aliens figure into this.

I like how they give Jessica L. a chance to run with her monologues.

Someone refresh me, please: why did Sister Jude want to lock up Lana, but she tried really hard to make sure "Anne Frank" didn't get stuck there?

So, Thredson said to the guard "I never did work here" (I'm paraphrasing) So, does that
mean he stole the real Thredson's identity and he's not a psychiatrist at all?

That's what I took from that comment.

Dr. Thredson's house was just wayyy too neat-nik and sparse. Definite sign of a serial killer, ha.

[RedLips]

Dr. Thredson's house was just wayyy too neat-nik and sparse. Definite sign of a serial killer, ha.

Yes, that and the lampshade was made of skin, complete with nipples...and the mint bowl was made out of the top of a skull!! Big tipoff right there.

Edited by RedLips, Nov 15, 2012 @ 12:24 AM.

[FinePoint]

Yes, that and the lampshade was made of skin, complete with nipples...and the mint bowl was made out of a skull!!

Well, yes, LOL! I mean besides the obvious! :D And I kind of liked the bowl. The lamp shade, except for the nipples part, looked like one of those rawhide lamp shades (which are probably quite expensive, I don't know) that you see in southwestern decor.

Edited by FinePoint, Nov 15, 2012 @ 12:27 AM.

[RedLips]

Hahaha FinePoint! Your comment made me laugh out loud. Oh....and remind me not to accept any mints from you :-)

[PrincessGlibby]

Has anyone noticed Pepper around since the episode with the storm? Hmmmmm.

I didn't.too much care for this season until this episode...lots of stuff going on. I was a little disappointed with the bloody face reveal. Too soon? Meh. I'm extremely curious about where the story is going from here. The whole alien thing is driving me bonkers, and I want to know how they tie into the story.

I hated the Lana character until tonight. I find myself rooting for her now.

And gaah...Jessica Lange is the queen of everything. I loved to hate sister Jude, but in the last couple of episodes we've seen a really human and broken side of her...sooo, I really like Sister Jude. My 14 year old son said, "Isn't she that lady from that older King Kong movie? Well, I like her A LOT. She tells a story like no one else can." Amen, lil' buddy....mama raised you right:D

There were nipples on the lampshade? I'll have to go back and watch that part again...I knew the shade was made of skin, but nipples? Cray, Cray...

In hindsight...I'm pretty nauseous thinking about the therapy Thredson did with Lana in last weeks episode. It was wrong on several levels in the first place, but now that we know he's a psycho for sure...geeze, what a sick bastard. ZQ is doing a great job with that character, though.

[snakenax]

I wonder if there is a connection between the demon and the aliens. The scene with the abduction and Mary Eustace talking to Grace almost seemed like her siccing them on Grace. Plus her unusual interest in Kit.

[RedLips]

Nope, no sign of Pepper. I hope they don't leave that unresolved.

So Dr. Thredson has brown eyes and the current day Bloody Face definitely had blue eyes.....so I guess they're not the same??

[maggiethebeagle]

Jessica & Lily are OMG amazing as always. Sarah Paulson did such a great job acting out the realization that she was being held by a murderer. When she happened into his "workshop", I got chills while she was talking!

FinePoint, I think Sister Jude let Anne go because she was a fine upstanding married mother. She kept Lana Banana in because she had a case of the gays. Never mind that Anne might go home and murder her kid....

[Glitterkittens]

"Goodbye Horses" was playing in my head the entire time they were in Thredson's house.

I would guess whatever Thredson has planned is a new path of sadism that involves Lana because now that Kit's being set up for his murders, any more bodies would exonerate him. At the same time, I'm not quite sure how or why Thredson ever left any bodies behind. ANd I'm also not sure that Grace was abducted or if she was snipped and that was what she fantasized about during the surgery, since she tends to adapt to fit all of Kit's fantasie of who she is.

Interesting that the first episode, we're told that no one ever left Briarcliff. Not sure if that means good or bad things for the fates of Kit, Lana, and Sister Jude.

As for Shelley being dumped, hey, the devil is the devil. I knew the minute Mary E. had Arden's absolute trust that she was going to screw him over as well. Get rid of all the other players and she'll be in charge of the whole institution.

I liked Frank telling Jude that he knew she was screwed for being a powerful, smart woman. Probably Frank will die terribly now that he's had this moment of character development.

Edited by Glitterkittens, Nov 15, 2012 @ 1:01 AM.

[avaleigh]

Good Lord, this show is brutal. Of course Sister Eunice would dump monster!Shelley at an elementary school lol.

I had to look away during the surgery bit.

I didn't understand the Anne Frank story. Was she faking or not? She acted like she didn't know the guy who was supposedly her husband and then changed her tune when she saw the picture with the baby. Also, why did the flashbacks look like home movies?

Sister Jude had time to go to the hair salon? I wonder when she's going to see Arden without his shirt on.

I knew Thredson was Bloody Face. I wish she'd just run out the front door. What I don't understand is how he plans on eventually letting her go. If he doesn't let her go then how can she write his story? Also, if he continues to kill women as Bloody Face what was the point in framing Kit? They're still going to be looking for this guy since she'll know that Kit is innocent. Even if Lana is killed he's presumably going to kill again so they'll know they didn't get the right guy.

Is Alma pregnant with Kit's child or an alien? Did Grace get a chip? It sucks that Kit is taken away right as he finally has someone to talk about the abduction experience with.

Alma seemed pretty calm considering she's been spending the last few months separated from the world with only aliens and the occasional captive for company.

ETA

I'm also not sure that Grace was abducted or if she was snipped and that was what she fantasized about during the surgery, since she tends to adapt to fit all of Kit's fantasie of who she is.

I'm not sure either but I'm inclined to think that she was really abducted otherwise what was the point in Sister Jude seeing the alien? We know they're there and they have to factor in somehow. Plus I find it a little odd that she'd want to imagine Alma being pregnant.

Edited by avaleigh, Nov 15, 2012 @ 1:19 AM.

[Glitterkittens]

I'm not sure either but I'm inclined to think that she was really abducted otherwise what was the point in Sister Jude seeing the alien? We know they're there and they have to factor in somehow. Plus I find it a little odd that she'd want to imagine Alma being pregnant.

i'm probably over-thinking it here, but she DID just have a conversation with Kit about how he and Alma kept putting off babies.

Plus they banged the night she disappeared/was murdered/abducted.

[the fresh maker]

Now I know what every serial-killer bachelor pad needs--a titty shade! I'm very curious as to why Threddy Face needs his story told. What's so important that he needs everyone to know?

The scene between Frank and Jude was wonderful. Frank got more characterization in telling Jude she was too powerful a woman to keep her job than in the first four episodes combined. I hadn't really noticed him before; however, for him to work with Jude and compliment her in that particular way says a lot about him. And, yes, Glitterkittens, that probably does mean it's his time to die. :/

I don't know if Anne is really Anne Frank or not. I think Arden in the photo with The Shining-esque reveal is what we're supposed to take away. Even if she's had a psychotic break due to postpartum depression, she'd still be able to recognize him from the photo. We'll see if Goodman continues his investigation into the good doctor or not--who knows what he discovered before Sister Jude called him?. If Arden turns out to be Gruber, then we'll know she was Anne Frank. Either way, Arden knew she was a threat and lobotomized her so she'd forget his Nazi identity.

My question is, are the aliens working with him and vice-versa, or are they accidentally providing "alibis" for each other?

Alma doesn't seem to fit the profile of Threddy Face's victims. He's gone after working women (perhaps a nod to issues with his own mother). Alma was a housewife.

Someone refresh me, please: why did Sister Jude want to lock up Lana, but she tried really hard to make sure "Anne Frank" didn't get stuck there?

FinePoint, I think Sister Jude let Anne go because she was a fine upstanding married mother. She kept Lana Banana in because she had a case of the gays. Never mind that Anne might go home and murder her kid....

Lana also went to Briarcliff under the pretense of writing a feature on the bakery and its therapeutic benefits on the inmates. Jude realized she was really there to write an exposé on the institution itself. While Jude had her locked up for being a lesbian, she also had the ulterior motive of keeping Lana quiet about the goings-on at Briarcliff.

I also think Sister Jude was willing to set Anne free because she had some sympathy for her. She wanted to believe Anne's claims about Arden.

[Snookums]

Wow, Dr. Bloodyface has an awesome house. Do you know how hard it is to find a house with a basement like that?

Him and Buffalo Bill! So hard to find a place where you can set up your thirty foot well/ murder room.

Note to self: when I go into a nice professional's home and it's done in shades of liver with skin lampshades and skull bowls, throw the wine in his face and then knee him in the groin. I don't blame Lana, though. By the time she figured it out he was between her and the door and he's a lot bigger and stronger then she is.

Well, now we know why the devil spoke to Thredson during the exorcism. He had a lot more on his mind then just mommy giving him up. I wonder why Possessed Eunice didn't harass him more, though, if that's the case? I guess she's too busy getting ready to drop Arden on his ass.


At first I thought Grace was hearing horses run by her door--it took until she was on the "spaceship" for me to figure it out. And if what she saw was real Alma is alive.

I also think Sister Jude was willing to set Anne free because she had some sympathy for her. She wanted to believe Anne's claims about Arden.

I think that was certainly true at first, and then when she found out Anne was "just" a crackpot she wanted the evidence of her gullibility out of her sight.


I think one of the most fascinating threads of this show is the way everybody's "craziness" is both hiding and highlighting real truths. Anne really did have a postpartum psychotic break, but it was that obsession that led her to spot Arden in that photo and accuse him. Possessed Eunice's demons are driving her to "ruin" everybody but she's also "outing" them. Kit's story of the aliens sounds completely lunatic but from what's been shown it's real. Even Thredson's mechinations were in service to his truth--that is, getting Lana to tell his story.

Edited by Snookums, Nov 15, 2012 @ 2:18 AM.

[Eviltwinpixie]

I read Sister Jude's almost desperation to get and keep "Anne Frank" out as being personal--her "fall" started in earnest when she believed what that woman said, and she now believes those things to be lies. I think she was embarrassed and attempting damage control by keeping her out.

I also interpreted "Anne's" story in the same way as others here, in that she really was Charlotte suffering from PP psychosis, but that she subsumed herself so much into stories and photos of what Anne went through that she was able to recognize and correctly accuse him. I think he probably doesn't know or care if he ever met her before or not--she knows too much and had to be silenced by any means possible.

[funkycamper]

She doesn't have to really be Anne Frank for her to recognize Gruber. She was obsessed with the concentration camps and had been studying about them in her psychosis. And had that picture of him on her wall. She could have learned about him that way and not through personal experience. I fear the pot roast its going to be baked baby.

I could have listened to Lange do a monologue for the entire episode!

Love this crazy show and think this was the best episode yet as there were just enough pauses in the activity for more character development.

I think the "I never worked here" line had to do with him never actually working for the asylum itself as he was simply court appointed to assess Kit. Who better to go nuts and start emulating patients than someone who has probably assessed many murderers in his career? I thought it sad that Kit was naive enough to believe that a confession would keep him from being executed.

[Snookums]

I didn't understand the Anne Frank story. Was she faking or not? She acted like she didn't know the guy who was supposedly her husband and then changed her tune when she saw the picture with the baby. Also, why did the flashbacks look like home movies?

She wasn't faking in that she was "pretending" to be Anne Frank. She had a postpartum psychotic break and subsumed herself in study of Anne and the Holocaust in general, eventually slipping into the delusion that she "was" Anne.

When her husband showed up and showed her the picture of them as a family, it broke through some of it, but she wasn't cured. Her husband brought her back and Dr. Arden the Anxious About This Scenario performed a lobotomy on her. This broke the psychosis but left her emotionally blank, an empty shell.

The home movie effect was to show first that the scenes were told from the memory of the husband, for a distancing effect, and then later with "cured" Anne to show she's stepped into a false world and away from the truth her craziness led her into.

Was I nuts or was the guy who picked Jude up at the bar the husband? It seemed like the same actor at the end when he comes home to Anne and the pot roast.

Edited by Snookums, Nov 15, 2012 @ 3:00 AM.