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[TWoP Tennison]

Ruby's fear about turning into a wolf is confirmed when she becomes the prime suspect for a vicious murder; Leroy finds treasure in a Storybrooke mine that could help Emma and Mary Margaret.

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[cagewench]

Was anyone else bored by this one? I love Red but I just felt like it was dragging along. The suddenness of the hat reveal and the two seconds of Rumple & Regina seemed shoved in. The dream reveal in Fairy Tale land was such a non-shock that I don't know why they bothered to drag it out so long.

I'm currently trying to think if there was anything I liked...

The continuing sisterly relationship between Snow White & Red is good (like Snow White & Rose Red - does anyone but me remember that fairy tale?)

But I was getting a funky vibe between Red and David/Charming that I was ready to kick him in the 'nards for this ep if he didn't behave himself.

[Latuki Joe]

Was anybody else a little bothered by the random and unnecessary killing-off of Gus Gus? Not that he's a major character or anything, but this feels like a misstep. Why even bother explaining who he is? Why even bring back a character we'd only seen once before? Disappointed.

[BryrRoseA]

THEY KILLED GUS-GUS! I may not recover from this.

Happy to see Charming's father again, although he was a bit mustache twirlingly over the top. I wonder when we'll get to see Snow and Charming overthrow him in Fairy Tale.

I also wonder when Ruby reconciled with Granny. Did she forgive her for lying about her mother? Do we think we will ever get any more of that backstory?

Snow's pink cardigan still looks awfully clean for weeks spent in the forrest. How long have they been gone now?

[HybridIce]

I love Ruby Red, but I did not like the regression for a backstory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was she not more than willing to let loose the wolf against the Queen's solider while Snow was giving birth? She owned who she was and was kicking ass. Now, all of a sudden she has no control and fears what the wolf will do to the people in storybrooke? I don't get it. Yes, she didn't have her cloak, but so what, as evident from the past and present you didn't need it, so why the sudden change.

It's a shame they brought back Billy for a death scene, but at least now we know that even animals have been turned human. I don't recall if we knew this information before, but it helps me to know who all the town folks, especially the sudden appearance of a random mob, could possibly be. With that said, I like how mobs just randomly appears in this town with random people we've never met. It's like they're just sitting at home with pitchforks and unlit torches waiting for someone to tell them when to strike.

I don't like King George, it's just as I figured, he can't let a grudge go. Seriously man, just cross the forest line and be done with it. You don't have to worry about the kingdom David "stole" and you don't have to worry about him as head leader of the town or anything else. No, really, I'll drive, I'll even give you a farewell shove.

Although it was referenced last episode, and everyone, most likely, knew where Aurora and Henry's dreams meant, I'm glad we got confirmation that Aurora might not be as useless as we think. I guess she's going to be the medium between the two worlds. I have to say though, that I'm happier that Henry gets to be a part of the story than Aurora. This story line could have easily been transferred to Snow, but apparently she's no longer affected by said dreams.

This episode would have been better if I didn't feel as though it was a rehash of what we got last seasons. The only reveal we got was the wellbeing of Ruby Red's mother and even I want to call foul, or at least a paternity test.

[prodigalchicken]

Very meh episode. The only part I liked was the Henry in the dream bit.

[kennyab]

I love Ruby Red, but I did not like the regression for a backstory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was she not more than willing to let loose the wolf against the Queen's solider while Snow was giving birth? She owned who she was and was kicking ass. Now, all of a sudden she has no control and fears what the wolf will do to the people in storybrooke? I don't get it. Yes, she didn't have her cloak, but so what, as evident from the past and present you didn't need it, so why the sudden change.

Ruby said that because it had been so long since her last transformation (28 years) she was afraid she would be out of practice, unable to control the wolf. She was taking preventative measures in case that proved to be true.

[Chicken Wing]

I felt sad that I knew Gus was supposed to die from the nanosecond that he appeared on screen. And then I felt mad that they actually did it. Gus!

King George: "Here's my plan for revenge against Prince Charming. I'm going to kill some totally random guy, just so I could pin it on the werewolf girl, just so everyone can blame that on the Sheriff not being a good leader." Huh???? You've had "28 years" to come up with revenge, dude. That's just sad.

"Having wolf hearing isn't all it's cracked up to be ... especially when you work in a hotel." It took me about a second to get that. Heh.

Damn you, George, you burned the hat! You suck. I totally wanted David to shoot him. I thought he might anyway.

I was sure that Billy/Gus's real killer was going to turn out to be the other wolf that Red met in Fairyback and brought her to her mother, but then he ended up getting killed, so my whole theory went to poop.

Edited by Chicken Wing, Nov 11, 2012 @ 9:07 PM.

[Senna]

Unfortunately I'm with those who were disappointed by this episode, probably partly because I too really like Red/Ruby. I was eager to see her facing the wolf transformation again, but everything else was kind of a weird mush. It was way too convenient for Red to randomly run into her supposedly dead mother. I was waiting for Anita to be proved a liar, but ... she wasn't.

Also, there are way too many attractive guys in this show who show up briefly only to drop dead, heh.

[stopeslite]

I don't understand how Red and Snow got out of that wolf den alive, after killing the matriarch and all. Even if nobody had been around right then, they would have tracked them.

I also like the callback to Snow White and Rose Red.

I did not hear Henry say his name - that was a weird cut.

It was nice that Gold didn't charge anything, being that it's Henry and all. Man does have a heart.

[bluvelvet]

I thought it would be another wolf but it turned out to be George/Spencer. He must really hate James/David to try and take away any change he has getting his family back.

I enjoyed seeing the other wolves, pity Quinn died he was cute and had a spark with Red. It was sad that Red ended up killing her mother instead of just knocking her out. I must give the show's casters props, Mama Red did resemble Ruby/Red, same facial structure and coloring.

Didn't see the Henry/Aurora medium connection coming, I hope this means Snow/James reunites soon, I am already over the separation as it has gone on for far too many episodes.

[Jennesis]

This episode solidified my love of Red. Truly a badass. However, I didnt like the werewolf community. I liked the fact that the curse was unique to the Red/Granny family. It was their cross to bear. But now, there are others running around, flashing eyes and whatnot. It's a let down.

Red and Charming have an insane amount of chemistry. I mean, they looked like they were soul gazing.

King George...get a life. Really. It's just sad now.

[BooBear]

King George: "Here's my plan for revenge against Prince Charming. I'm going to kill some totally random guy, just so I could pin it on the werewolf girl, just so everyone can blame that on the Sheriff not being a good leader." Huh???? You've had "28 years" to come up with revenge, dude. That's just sad.

That just about sums up this episode. I suppose the only things I liked were Regina and Rumple putting their differences aside to help Henry and Charming having a real honest moment of self doubt and pain after all he has been through in recent days. I like that Red and he have a friendship that is truly outside of Snow but also, they do have chemistry.

[ImNotLeesa]

Why do they always have to kill the pretty?

Goodbye Quinn, we hardly knew you.

[HybridIce]

Ruby said that because it had been so long since her last transformation (28 years) she was afraid she would be out of practice, unable to control the wolf. She was taking preventative measures in case that proved to be true.

I must have missed that. I understand her fear, I guess, but it's been 28 years for Ruby, not for Red. Last thing Red remembers was taking control. I don't see how Ruby Red should be any different. I suppose you could say that Ruby influenced her counter half, much like David has with Prince Charming.

[Fable]

This episode was just a little too Cheesetastic for me. So I guess we’re not going to see any more of King George except maybe in flashbacks as I’m assuming he is in rotting in jail. Too bad, I thought he was going to be more of an obstacle to the Charmings and was even hoping to see him join forces with Cora.

Hopefully now that Henry and Aurora have made contact in the dream world (or whatever Rumpel called it), we can get Snow and Emma back, and at least it gives Aurora a useful part of the story. Up until now, she has been pretty useless.

It seems Rumpel has a soft spot for Henry…foreshadowing?? I think most certainly Rumpel is going to end up being his grandfather, more now than before.

[Tzigone]

Okay, I don't think they are going there (because of the dreams), but I had to think Charming should collect the ashes of the hat.

I was very happy to see that every did indeed know Charming was the Shepherd. He was not lying to the town. Charming was, as usual, absolutely awesome. Still, I think a little prevention in Red's case was a good idea.

Henry's pretty cool. He's tries to communicate in his dream, which Aurora didn't seem to be trying to do. The dream plotline was more interesting than the wolf one to me. Charming doesn't know yet about the reality of the dreams, that Henry got burned, right? That'll be interesting. It's fun to see Regina yet again express how much she didn't and doesn't give a damn about all the people she hurt. That's why I don't see her as in the process of redemption. It's only Henry she cares about. I did like how after "I never cared" bit she tacked on "until now" or something of that nature to make Henry feel better. Obviously, what Rumpel gave was very useful. Somehow I feel it's also very useful to Rumpelstiltskin. Sorry, but I don't quite pure altruism from him.

People may complain about the adoptive parents being bad, but hey, the biological ones can be bad, too. I loved how Red did not accept the condemnation by her mother. She chose to be true to herself. Lovely Snow & Red moments in this ep.

Granny and her crossbow were, as usual, awesome. I so want a flashback to her stealing Red, if that really happened.

George is really an ass. Petty revenge. Or big revenge. I have difficulty believing such a person was a good king. But I guess he could have changed dramatically after James' death. So, Charming had a chance to kill him and didn't - we'd all guessed that, though, hadn't we?

So, talking mice get to be human? But nonverbal wolves and dalmatians and birds don't?

The discovery of the diamonds was lovely and happy and fun. Still, David probably should have either hidden the hat better or kept it on his person. When they were toasting at Granny's, my sister was yelling "keep it a secret" - they've got enemies, you know.

Belle says she's an expert on rehabilitation, but I strongly disagree. I don't he's rehabilitated or even working on it.

[El Seed]

"I chose me." OK Kelly...

Pretty boring episode. The only really interesting part was the last few minutes with the revelation that Henry and Aurora are meeting in a dreamscape.

Also, King George of Meade needs to get a hobby or something because it's time to get over the grudge, dude.

[kennyab]

While I would have liked more forward progression with the main story of the season, I understand why they had to do this episode now. Ruby's nature had to be addressed (and it's awesome that she now gets to wolf out in Storybrooke), and it had to take place within a month of of the premiere, show-timeline-wise. Meghan Ory is all types of awesome. The way she's able to play so many aspects of Red and have them coalesce into a coherent narrative is really impressive. The bonding between Ruby and Belle was nice (but poor, deluded Belle, thinking she actually knows something about fixing people -- no, girl, just no). Josh Dallas said in an interview that he really enjoyed playing a platonic relationship between a man and a woman, and as a viewer, I have to concur. It's really lovely to see how much these characters care about one another.

So, was Rumpel really doing something out of kindness (or guilt, which I could possibly buy, as he probably sees Henry as a bit of a proxy for Bae)? Or does he know more than he's letting on? Does getting Emma and Mary Margaret back benefit him in any way?

It's good to find out that King George really is the bastard they've made him out to be. David did the right thing by not shooting him, but I wouldn't have judged him too harshly had he gone through with it.

And Granny the welder -- is there anything that woman can't do (except for maybe make lasagna)?

ETA: those casting people need some awards. Annabeth Gish as Red's mom -- wow.

Edited by kennyab, Nov 11, 2012 @ 9:19 PM.

[Actionmage]

I loved Granny's line about wolf hearing, but I also liked:

Townsperson in Pitchfork/Torch Mob:" We're not sheep, David!" Heh

Annabeth Gish looked appropriately cool, but yeah, let's double-check facts before branding Granny a lying liar who lies, Red. Okay?

Poor Gus!

Glad someone finally remembered Belle. Still, I imagine her sitting and reading. I was hoping that Belle had a phone in her skirt pocket (total guess on my part) and would've alerted David to Red running out and suicide-by-mob mentality. Word to whomever noted the mad chemistry between Red/David. Still, I trust Red.

I hope that George/Spencer/whatever is currently being hosted by the city. He killed a man/ had a man killed with the premeditated thought of framing another party (Red) and thereby using that to defraud the sheriff's office. George did many bad,bad things. I need a petard with his name on it.

Glad the dream connection thing is moving forward! We also got a glimpse of Bae's Dad!Gold. I hesitate to call Belle "an expert" in rehabilitation, but seeing the good in folks, yes.

[SiobhanJW]

THEY KILLED GUS-GUS! I may not recover from this.

I spent the rest of the episode in totally upset about this fact!! GUS GUS!! :(

Okay I'll be back in a bit after I recover from this.

[Tzigone]

Was anyone else bored by this one? I love Red but I just felt like it was dragging along.

I thought the first part dragged, but it picked up after Red learned to control the wolf. It's all the did-she/didn't-she and the "get away from me, I'm dangerous" that really bored me.

Snow's pink cardigan still looks awfully clean for weeks spent in the forrest. How long have they been gone now?

I think it's been 7 or 8 days.

I don't understand how Red and Snow got out of that wolf den alive, after killing the matriarch and all. Even if nobody had been around right then, they would have tracked them.

Maybe the new alpha wolf didn't like her very much?

It was nice that Gold didn't charge anything, being that it's Henry and all. Man does have a heart.

I think he's getting something out of it. I don't know what, but I don't buy pure altruism from him.

I liked the fact that the curse was unique to the Red/Granny family.

I never thought it was unique to the family. I'd always thought there were others around. Never thought of them living in a pack, though.

[My Way]

King George...get a life. Really. It's just sad now.

Seriously. Regina has halfway leveled out now, King George needs to start taking whatever meds she’s taking (although it was hilarious when Gold was explaining the curse and she was all ‘I didn’t expect them to wake up ever’ and Henry just gave a look.

It was way too convenient for Red to randomly run into her supposedly dead mother.

It wasn’t random. Her mom had that guy searching for her.

Loved Henry this episode. I really hope they get them all back together or at least communicating through the red room because I am tired of episodes with no Emma/Henry.

I really, really looked like David/Red were about to makeout.

Townsperson in Pitchfork/Torch Mob:" We're not sheep, David!" Heh

Ha! Missed this. Also, since I forgot to say it earlier, King George Killed Gus! Bastard!

Edited by My Way, Nov 11, 2012 @ 9:36 PM.

[Dani-Ellie]

Regina made me snerk with the whole "my victims were never supposed to wake up" thing.

I love both the Red/Snow friendship and the Ruby/Belle friendship. They're both very sweet.

King George is an ass. Like, there are no words for how much of an ass he is. When he threw the hat into the fire, I wanted to reach through the TV and deck him myself.

I had wondered if Henry and Aurora were just dreaming or actually going somewhere, astral-projection-like. I like it, and I liked seeing Henry take control of it. Kid is badass.

[Cameltoes]

The suddenness of the hat reveal and the two seconds of Rumple & Regina seemed shoved in.

The use of Regina the past few episodes has been odd. Has Lana Parrilla been given time off or something? She's had several seemingly tacked on scenes and I wonder if they were all filmed on the same day.

But I was getting a funky vibe between Red and David/Charming that I was ready to kick him in the 'nards for this ep if he didn't behave himself.

Agreed. I'm not sure what was going on direction-wise but their interaction veered into the "more than just friends" category. David did not work as an Emma substitute in this case. I know Charming and Red go back further but Emma and Ruby would have made this story better.

I have to agree with those who found this episode lacking and cheesy. That last scene with David, Ruby and Spencer was cringeworthy. "He was a mouse!" All that was missing was some mustache twirling. I think George/Spencer would be capable of a much more clever act of revenge. I too thought he would team up with Cora. This stunt was very weak.

Edited by Cameltoes, Nov 11, 2012 @ 9:32 PM.

[kennyab]

I have to agree with those who found this episode lacking and cheesy. That last scene with David, Ruby and Spencer was cringeworthy. "He was a mouse!" All that was missing was some mustache twirling. I think George/Spencer would be capable of a much more clever act of revenge. I too thought he would team up with Cora. This stunt was very weak.

But is he really that clever? This is a man who had apparently mismanaged his kingdom and was having to make deals with other kings to bail him out. He was going to pass a shepherd off as his son. And he was deposed by same shepherd. I think the show's been pretty consistent in showing off his ineptness.

[thuganomics85]

Yeah, despite my love for Red, this was a major disappointment. While I loved seeing more of her and Snow's bond, I just couldn't get into the werewolf community at all, and in the end, I felt like we didn't learn anything new. I already knew Red was scared over her wolf powers and, at the end, she would pick Snow over her mother. It was just so predictable. In Storybrooke, I did like her bonds/friendships with both Belle and Charming, but I knew everything would work out in the end, as well.

So, yeah, George is a dick. By the way, I'm sticking with George because Spencer? No offense to that name, but doesn't quite work with this character or really any character played by Alan Dale. Not quite menacing enough.

Props to everyone who called Henry and Aurora both being in the same dream last week. I am curious to see how this plays out.

Belle wins laugh out loud moment when declaring she's an "expert" at rehabilitating monsters. If Rumpel's your result, then I wouldn't call you an expert on that at all. In fact, you kind of suck at it.

Liked Regina and Gold's scene as always. And he gave Henry the necklace on the house? Hmm...

Favorite moment was Charming acknowledging that part of the reason he was gung-ho to support Red was because he remembers when ge thought of the worst of Snow last season, when she was being framed. Nice to bring up the past. But remember, Charming. That wasn't completely your fault! You were stupid ass David Nolan at the time.

I totally feel bad for the actor playing Will/Gus. He'd probably got all excited when he got the call to come back, only for them to be all "Yeah, your going to die."

Edited by thuganomics85, Nov 12, 2012 @ 5:15 AM.

[bbell]

Snow's pink cardigan still looks awfully clean for weeks spent in the forrest. How long have they been gone now?

That annoyed. Also the fact that Red's clothes seem to transform also. Would it be so much trouble to see a little naked Red Riding Hood.

[Bussy]

So, talking mice get to be human? But nonverbal wolves and dalmatians and birds don't?

The hyper-rushed treatment of Gus (GUSGUS! NOOO!) made me so angry. What are the rules? So far, all of our humans in Storybrooke have been originally human, and straight-up animals (Pongo, Graham's wolf) have remained animals. What the hell. I just... I know nothing about Gus and now he is gone. Ugh.

those casting people need some awards. Annabeth Gish as Red's mom -- wow.

I don't know. I agree that the casting people are perfect at female casting (young Snow, Cora, Red's mom, etc), but they are so fixated on only one kind of attractive man (Quinn, Graham, August, Hook, even Charming a bit). The guys all look the same, with the same coloring and artful stubble. The makeup people don't help by forcing everyone to look even more the same. I'm bored. More Jefferson & Whale, please (but even that bothered me, since the makeup people seemed to assume that 'fangirls like guyliner' regardless of the fact that David Anders doesn't have the coloring to look good in it).

I really, really looked like David/Red were about to makeout.

It did! That scene was all kinds of confusing. The actors need to tone it down.

Overall, this was a terrible episode. The writing was pretty horrible, and I think the acting suffered as a result. It was hard to care about Red finding her long-lost mother when I didn't even know her having a mother was an issue. Oh, and now she's dead. Guess I never have to care about that again.

But even though it was overall terrible, I really liked Snow&Red, Red&Belle, Red&Gus (RIP). Mehan's acting in the flashbacks was kind of terrible, but her chemistry with everyone in Storybrooke (and with Snow in the flashbacks) helped a lot. And Granny is so awesome. I love everything she does.

Also, why did Mulan SUDDENLY, right now, have an idea about Cora and the ashes? I was so confused. Did I miss something? Or was that more really awkward writing?

[Tzigone]

You know, I just had a thought. It might be better for Red if Belle doesn't mentioned getting chained up in the library.

The hyper-rushed treatment of Gus (GUSGUS! NOOO!) made me so angry. What are the rules? So far, all of our humans in Storybrooke have been originally human, and straight-up animals (Pongo, Graham's wolf) have remained animals. What the hell. I just... I know nothing about Gus and now he is gone. Ugh.

I'd have liked better information on that, too. I know we'd speculated various things in the past. Specifically we discussed how we hadn't been told about English-speaking animals. We'd only seen animal-animals and Jiminy, who was born human. So I guess we have our answer. Anthropomorphic animals became human. Those that didn't talk or wear clothes stayed animals. Or did Gus not talk in this version?

Edited by Tzigone, Nov 11, 2012 @ 9:53 PM.