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[Erratic]

"Beautiful Doom"
Meredith and Cristina rely on each other as they cope with increasing responsibilities at their respective hospitals and cope with life after the plane crash; Cristina helps Dr. Thomas with a challenging heart surgery.


So, foreshadowing and anvils everywhere. Feeny died, Cristina returned, and, it was all very meh.

Edited by Erratic, Nov 9, 2012 @ 12:36 AM.

[staveDarsky]

Oops. Duplicate post. Please delete.

Edited by staveDarsky, Nov 8, 2012 @ 10:34 PM.

[Bleeding Love]

Meredith and Cristina rely on each other as they face more responsibilities at their respective hospitals and cope with life after the plane crash; Cristina helps Dr. Thomas with a challenging heart surgery.

Does everyone on this show have to die??

[Have At It]

Is it wrong that I was more upset about Dr Thomas death than George, Denny, Lexie, Mark combined?

[LakeLover]

Dr. Thomas was better than any cast addition since Mark.

I enjoyed tonight, despite the lack of Derek. Meredith and Zola (talking! Zola talking!) were sweet. More to mention tomorrow, but off to bed with me tonight.

[Charis86]

I am sad about Dr.Thomas. Better than Ithought it was but that is not saying much cause I didn't have any expectations.

What I liked: The split between Mederith and Christina was good. Christina and Dr. Thomas were awesome together. I am glad that Meredith saved her patient. Very sad to see Dr.Thomas die. Bailey was awesome with her speeches and the babysitter list. The interns don't think Meredith is evil Medusa anymore.


The bad: Does Callie really need to mention Mark in every episdoe this season, especially when she is only on screec for like a minute. Also I would have expected Arizona as the one to keep track of teh daycare stuff seems more like her character. It really didn't seem like Meredith dealt with Lexie's death.

[TXSforever]

It sucked and if this was supposed to be Meredith's big dealing with Lexie it sucked more. It was meh.

Has there been a mention of Thatcher at all? This would have been a good time to mention him.

[Erratic]

I loved Dr. Thomas, but they couldn't have made it more obvious that he was going to die this episode if they'd given him red scrubs and a Star Trek logo where his name tag was. It was a shame, because I spent the whole episode being sad and just waiting so when he finally keeled over, I was kind of over it.
As for Meredith coming to terms with Lexie's death, I needed more from her than a rueful grin as she hugged her drunk BFF.

I get what they were trying to do, it just didn't work so well for me. Did anyone actually *love* this?

[staveDarsky]

I'm sad they killed off Dr Thomas. He was the perfect mentor for Cristina, though I knew she'd be back in Seattle by mid-season.

[willriley01]

The only thing I loved was the end. Meredith and Christina are back together again :)

Although now this means I have to watch Hunt be an even bigger douche, so :(

[Charis86]

That was the nly good thing about this episode Christina returned to Seattle.

[Yellow42758]

Really enjoyed the episode. Two of my favorite characters at the center. Much more focused storytelling. Characters and patients that you cared about. Not a typical GA episode, but a stellar outing nonetheless.

Though, I suppose, Thomas' death was a bit too much, it is GA, and I've suspended my disbelief for worse.

Edited by Yellow42758, Nov 8, 2012 @ 10:54 PM.

[AnitaMC86]

Didn't love the episode. FF'd it mostly.

Dr. Thomas dying SUCKED. That's not right. Just. No. UGH.

I enjoyed the Cris/Thomas parts a lot more than Seattle. Mer potty training Zola was all sorts of cute. I really liked all mommy moments.

And now in another edition of how much I hate the MerCris friendship part 204,927,765: I hate it. Loathe it. It's to me the most of the childish ridicules that this show brings. Sure the next installment will have something more.

I get what they were trying to do, it just didn't work so well for me. Did anyone actually *love* this?

No. I didn't. It was OK (and I would've liked a ton better if it wasn't Cristina at the door) but I wasn't enchanted by the scene. Felt very...meh.

Edited by AnitaMC86, Nov 8, 2012 @ 10:59 PM.

[MrWhyt]

Thomas' death was a bit too much

Kind of knew that both surgeries wouldn't have happy endings but did not see that one coming.

[Bix]

Maybe I'm an idiot eight now but I didn't quite see Dr. Thomas's death coming, and until he collapsed, I thought what happened was that he fell asleep and he and Cristina both realized he had no choice but to retire. I didn't like that it sort of made Dr. Parker right, too, though I did like that if he had to be right, Cristina got to be right too (as a surgeon, Thomas was still great until the moment he died, even if his age did turn out to be a legitimate liability).

By the way, do we have any idea how old Thomas was supposed to be? William Daniels is 85 and has basically looked the same for 40 years.

[NYluv]

FEENY NOOOOOOOOO! I kind of expected Dr. Thomas to be toast as soon as he was introduced as Cristina's mentor, because we can never have nice things in Shondaland (and knowing Cristina would eventually be back in Seattle, what else would Shonda do? Let him continue his life? Never!).
I really did love their bond, though, and I will miss it going forward with the rest of the season.

I'm a fan of the Twisted Sisters so I enjoyed this episode.

And I can not, and will not ever, get over how adorable Zola is. :)

Edited by NYluv, Nov 9, 2012 @ 1:17 AM.

[Adekt]

I can't help wondering where the hell Sofia is? She is about the same age as Zola who is talking, walking, and potty training. I would be kind of interested in seeing her, Sofia's, development considering what she went through as a mirco-primie. Is she developing normally? How did being born way to early affect her? Why doesn't Shonda make Sof a visible baby? I mean Calzona went through essentially two seasons of baby stuff. They broke up and got back together because of baby stuff. What was the point of all that if we never see or hear the kid? I would much rather see this storyline then another "Dead Denny" or the continuing saga of April's "reverginizing" (cringe and shiver) or Alex's whoring.

Does anyone else wonder this?

[cycworker]

Fantastic episode, imo.

I had forgotten how much I like M&C both separately and together. That relationship truly is a cornerstone of the show. I love the way Christina came back. Ms. Pompeo and Ms. Oh knocked it out of the park.

I thought the story with the car accident victim was just enough to get Meredith past Lexie's death. I kinda felt like if it had gone further it would've been maudlin and over the top. The way she said, "Lexie's dead," at the end was perfect. I can accept that after the show faded to black, she and Christina sat and had a good cry together. It worked for me completely.

I predicted Thomas would die, too. I'm actually ok with it, because I am not sure how else they'd have gotten Chris back to Seattle, and really, it was time for her to come back to Seattle. There was really no other way out of the story and the conversations between Parker and Yang were already starting to get repetitive. In fact, tbh, I was worried initially that everything from the get-go in Minnesota was going to seem like filler. To their credit, they did just enough to give Christina what she needed to regain her sense of self and then they got her out of there.

I confess there was too damned much blood for me with that aneurysm surgery and I watched with my eyes half covered.


Zola is adorable. Something about the whole business of passing her around to everyone worked for me. I think becasue I've actually seen similar things happen, right down to the last person who had the baby having to track downm who they gave her to. That bit with April was hilarious. But then, I'm in the minority in that I genuinely like April. I have no use for Jackson, but I like April. I suppose it's hopeless to wish that Jackson could, oh, vanish, and April could end up back with Alex again, eh? I can't remember what happened between them, and I find myself wishing they would revisit the pairing.

Further proof that Zola is adorable? I didn't hate Owen tonight. But he and Christina are just wrong for each other. I really, really can't see myself rooting for them as a couple again.

I am not sure I will ever be able to see Steven Culp as anything but a jerk. There is just something about the guy that always comes across as smarmy. Even as I was listening to him and I had an intellectual awareness that some of what he was saying was valid, I couldn't take it in because he is just so smarmy.

I fell back in love with Dr. Webber again tonight. I was genuinely starting to feel like I was ready to move him off the show at one point. I saw this week how much we still need him, even if only in a more limited role, due to his relationship with Mer. It hit me that the reason I was having problems with him is because I do NOT like the story with Catherine.

So glad to see Bailey back to being more like Bailey... the last few weeks, between the microwave stuff and the balls, etc., I was feeling like she was replaced by PodBailey.

So Callie's back living in her apartment again? I hope that doesn't mean that all is well at home. It would be the first time I'd complain about them treating a same sex couple as different from a hetero couple, were that to be the case.

Between the scene at Callie's apartment door and the presence of pretty much else except her (and Patrick Dempsey? Or was he part of a small scene in the beginning?) Jessica Capshaw's absence from this episode was GLARINGLY obvious. She didn't even get a mention, which was odd. That said, I didn't have an issue with the Mark reference, because it was only one line. And it was something that made sense, as opposed to the ever-annoying "I miss Mark," spiel we've had from Callie this season... I understand why she misses him, don't get me wrong. He was her best friend AND her buffer/sounding board when she and AZ had issues. But still... it was/is getting old.

I genuinely enjoyed every minute of this episode, which doesn't happen every week.

I can't help wondering where the hell Sofia is? She is about the same age as Zola who is talking, walking, and potty training. I would be kind of interested in seeing her, Sofia's, development considering what she went through as a mirco-primie. Is she developing normally? How did being born way to early affect her? Why doesn't Shonda make Sof a visible baby? I mean Calzona went through essentially two seasons of baby stuff. They broke up and got back together because of baby stuff. What was the point of all that if we never see or hear the kid? I would much rather see this storyline then another "Dead Denny" or the continuing saga of April's "reverginizing" (cringe and shiver) or Alex's whoring.

Does anyone else wonder this?

We did see Sofia in 9-2. Bailey brought her by to visit Arizona... that's what triggered her meltdown. She was going on about taking Sofia to the park and stuff and fell apart at the thought of not knowing whether she'd be able to do that on her own, etc.

That said, you make a good point. I think we're to assume all is well with her developmentally. If she's a wee bit behind, she's within basically normal range. I think last year they were so focussed on just showing Calzona happy that they didn't want to go there. Besides, if they had gone and addressed stuff like that in the story it would've meant more throwing Mark in the mix, and by 8-6 (love that episode) Callie had finally set that boundary with him.

I admittedly don't know much about the micro-preemie stuff, but what little I do remember would suggest that if they wanted to go back and do some story around it at some point, they can. For now, it's not necessary... Calzona have enough strain on their relationship due to AZ's disability. Sofia problems can be their Season 10 conflict... one that they can finally be shown to face together, having grown through the process of coming back from the damage this plane crash has caused. And I admit, I'd love to see them, after another brief happy time starting around Feb/March, face a problem TOGETHER, rather than shutting each other out as they have done in the past.

But first they have to show that they're strong enough to work through AZ losing her leg.

[NYluv]

Callie was never not living in 502, she was just sleeping at Mark's at night.

And though Arizona was the only character not in the ep, I wouldn't say it was glaringly obvious. Derek, Jackson, Alex - and even April and Owen to an extent - were on for less than 30 seconds. And aside from Derek, all of the scenes were in the hospital. Arizona is not yet back to work, let alone really on her feet, so her presence really wouldn't have fit anyway. (Yes, Mer dropped Zola off at the apartment, but it's not like Arizona is up and walking around, and we haven't even seen her holding Sofia yet so we can't expect her to take Zola - of course Callie is going to be the one answering the door.)

[nivea]

How old is Zola compared with Sofia? She is older right. We haven't seen Sofia walking yet but I assume she can. She looked a good size in 502. As for her development, we have to assume so far she is developing normally - I could see Callie and Mark being deluded enough to ignore a developmental delay but surely not Arizona.

[HappyGoLucky]

And though Arizona was the only character not in the ep, I wouldn't say it was glaringly obvious.

I would say it WAS obvious because unlike everybody else who at least had a small cameo (and I understand that JCap was on maternity leave) she wasn't even mentioned at all, unlike last season with Teddy in the AU episode who was absent from that episode, but at least she got a mention. It could be argued that since this was a Cristina/Meredith centric episode that she has nothing to do with them but the part that made it glaringly obvious was the fact that Callie mentioned Mark, not Arizona and he too has absolutely nothing to do with Meredith or Cristina.

Edited by HappyGoLucky, Nov 9, 2012 @ 4:16 AM.

[cycworker]

Callie was never not living in 502, she was just sleeping at Mark's at night.

Good point. I think what I am trying to figure out is whether she's now stopped sleeping at Mark's. It seems, based on some of the recaps, that she's back at her home full time. And yet, for me, as lovely as that moment at the end of 9-4 was, I didn't initially take it as 'Ok, Callie won't sleep at Mark's tonight/anymore.' I mean, yes, they made huge progress, but they were as far apart as humanly possible on that couch. Sharing a bed, even just to sleep, seems like going to fast. Having said that I do forget sometimes that what is 4 weeks for me as a viewer is multiple months in the lives of the characters, so.... I am ok with being wrong on this point.

It occurs to me that I am really confused re: the timeline/how long it's been since the accident.

On another note - I have always had it in my mind that Zola is at least 6 months older than Sophia but I have no specific evidence to back that up.

[ghostwriter31]

If I remember correctly, Zola was about 6 months old when she arrived at SGMW, and Sofia was just over 12 weeks when she was allowed to leave with Callie, which was the same day the kids from Africa arrived. That would make a 3 month age difference between the two girls.

[Nanda]

I was glued since the beginning to the end of the episode and it was the first time this season. I don't know if it was the absence of Hunt and Derek but the truth is that I didn't take my eyes off the screen for a second. Maybe due to the fact that Derek has an increasingly diluted presence and Hunt doesn't fit anymore in Cristina's life I din't miss their relationships and for the first time I enjoyed a lot the girls friendship. Not to tell that I found dazzling the absence of the blondes eater on my screen. Mer and Cristina are each other person. No doubt the show is still written on that concept. This episode proved that and I doubt that will ever change. Shonda really is into girls friendship.

Of course as somebody had predicted, Dr. Thomas had to die. Everybody was expecting this inasmuch that is ShondamurderLand. He was asking for it for a long time. Alive for 4 or 5 episodes? Hum...! At least he died on his feet, as the great surgeon he was, he didn't disappoint and didn't bent to no one till the end. But obviously the speech he gave her on the voice over had the contrary effect he desired. After all she might not be like him at all and might not want to end alone with her scalpel like him, and not be a great surgeon...because obviously she's much better with the McCheater! And from now on we will have to endure that unsound co-dependency relationship masquerading as genuine love again. Seeing him dancing with Zola was...I'd like to see him dancing out of Cristina's life!

The only thing I loved was the end. Meredith and Christina are back together again :)
Although now this means I have to watch Hunt be an even bigger douche, so :(

No, the writers will try to force you to watch the douche returning to his fake ' honored, faithful, generous and selfless' mode as if nothing had happened or changed! Still insisting in staying with her in his terms (Kids) fulling aware now she's a free kids woman. Pure Love!

I loved the Chief. Because, Webber is and always be the CHIEF. He's irreplaceable. And finally Bailey is back. Still hate the new interns. They're not growing on me. Like seasons 7 Mers centric Golden hour, I loved it, but especially Mayo scenes with Cristina.

[Mama No Life]

I loved the Chief also. He really has no authority, to speak of, but everyone still hops to when he barks. It was awesome.

I liked this ep. I always want more Derek, and I'm hoping at some point we see him dealing with his new 'career' b/c he is taking it too easy right now....I want to see some anger and bitterness. But the flip side of not much Derek and Alex is that we also didn't have to endure much April, Jackson and newterns ™.

I loved the part on the bench outside, when Feeny said, "No one's loved me like you do in a long time" and Cristina started to object to the word "love". You could see on Oh's face when she realized, yeah, I do love him, and just let it pass....

[SilentTears]

The 100000000 MC phone convos killed the epi for me...seriously why do they need to be on the phone or on IPad like ALL the freaking time?..Can't they show them going ten minutes on their feet without them talking to each other?...Wld it have harmed them to insert one, just ONE small MerDer phone convo btw the innumerable MC ones?...Argh..so pathetic, frustrating, irritating and unrealistic...

I really wld have appreciated the epi more if there had been less of MC being so toxic and codependent.... the individual Mer and Cris parts were like freaking AWESOME, both actresses nailed their scenes, specially Ellen, she was phenomenal...but the crap fest of MC took away the good from the epi, at least for me....except for the Zola goodness, even toxic MC can't ruin that...OMG she is shoooooooooooo adorable...Adorableness Personified...adored her every lil gesture, face expressions, the cute lil voices she made, every freaking thing abt her...just adored and adored AND adored...OMG

And the MerDer of it all...omg...these two seriously ARE magic...just 20s and they manage to give me such a high that I start squealing with happiness...<33...LOVE them

The last scene btw MC was subtle and vintage and well done, but if that is called grief then I guess I knew its wrong meaning...lol...and everyone called it that the epi wld end with Cris back in Seattle right in the middle of MerDer's bed, though have to give it to them for sparing our eyes and leaving it at Cris back at Seattle right on MerDer's door steps...lol...The best out come of this though? No more Meredith Cristina phone calls or IPad convos or facetime bull...Thank Freaking God!

Glad this dreaded epi is done and over with, now can we move the hell on from MC and focus on MD please?

Really, really hope the next epi makes up for no Derek in this one, missed him like hell

Edited by SilentTears, Nov 9, 2012 @ 6:32 AM.

[ElectricBoogalo]

Awwwwww, Dr. Feeny! I knew that they'd bring Cristina back to Seattle Death Trap Memorial eventually so with all the back and forth about Feeny, I had hoped she would bring him back with her (even though I knew it was much more likely that the old guy would die).

I loved the Chief. Because, Webber is and always be the CHIEF. He's irreplaceable. And finally Bailey is back.

Yes and yes! I haven't liked the recent Bailey follies so it was nice to see her back in form. And I loved seeing Webber taking care of business.

[Gelpen]

I totally did not notice that Arizona was not in this episode ...

I thought it was a decent enough episode until the very end, with the voice-over of Dr Thomas telling Christina how amazing she was. Way too neat and tied up in a little bundle with a bow on it for me.

[msstaceyu]

Not a bad episode. The Zola stuff was cute and I loved Alex telling Meredith that he wasn't going to potty train her daughter. I loved all of the Christina and Dr. Thomas episodes, especially Dr. Thomas's voiceover at the end. I hope the Emmy voters remember the actor for a guest spot when the nominating season comes around.

[brenaugirl]

Did anyone else have a weird echo effect whenever Meredith and Cristina were on the phone together (except in the beginning, for some reason)? It went away when they got off the phone so I don't think it was me. It was weird and it made it a bit difficult to understand the conversation. I did enjoy a Mer/Cristina-centric episode...hope it isn't a one-off gimmick.