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[Glitterkittens]

I noticed there's a spoiler thread and not a speculation thread, so I thought I'd be all ambitious and start one. That way the episode discussions won't be all speculation and stuff? I think that's how it's done, never started a thread on here before.

Anyway....I'm wondering if Bloody Face is going to turn out to be someone from Sister Jude's past and not any of the present cast members. Like...maybe...a disfigured, maddened girl from a car accident? DUN DUN DUN.

[maggiethebeagle]

Love your thread title Glitterkittens!

I was wondering if that little girl didn't die also.

But, I'm still nor 100% convinced that Bloody Face is a chick, tho. He/she/it just seems too tall & muscular.

My mind is all over the place...on one hand I think it could be ZQ's good doctor, on the other hand I think it could be one of the insane experiments gone wrong & escaped.

[Xazeal]

Now, I don't remember if we got a really clear shot of the little girl's face so maybe she looked completely different, but I was thinking she could be Grace. Maybe she survived but Jude locked her up so that she couldn't tell people, and she became her first "patient". If she really is sane, she must have been put there for SOME reason, and I believe we don't know what it is yet. Then again, with so much happening, I may have missed it.

I also speculate that the writers will come up with completely arbitrary reasons to show Evan Peters' ass in every episode of the season. Not complaining.

Edited by Xazeal, Oct 26, 2012 @ 11:38 PM.

[Turkish]

Whoever Bloody Face is in the present day, they must not age if they are any of the people we have currently met because he/she is a bit too agile to be a senior citizen. I'm leaning towards present day Bloody Face being a copycat with ties to the 1960's original.

If there is one thing I'm positive of though after watching S1, it's that none of these people are going to get out of that asylum alive and the show eill leave us with more questions than answers after the finale episode.

Edited by Turkish, Oct 27, 2012 @ 1:37 AM.

[BoredEnough]

Just going by how these shows normally go, Bloody Face must be someone that has already been introduced.

I think the best candidates are Lana, ZQ, or Dr. Arden. The doctor would be too obvious, and Lana seems to be the best choice since her girlfriend was targeted, but her escaping to kill someone and come back without getting caught wouldn't make much sense.

I thought we were supposed to assume present day Bloody Face is the ghost of the actual Bloody Face? In the first season the house was inhabited by the ghosts of the past residents because they couldn't escape all the evil that was released or whatever, so I'm assuming it's just a backwards storytelling for season 2.

Edited by BoredEnough, Oct 31, 2012 @ 4:17 PM.

[drtina1]

I don't think the girl Sister Jude killed is dead either. I'm thinking the hit-and-run girl may actually be Sister Mary Eunice. When they showed the girl's face again in the newspaper, I thought it was Sister Mary Eunice at first. So, that's my two cents about that.

As far as Bloody Face goes, I think Dr. Arden is too obvious, and it will sort of annoy me if it's actually him doing the killings. More interesting possibilities would be the Monsignor Timothy, Dr. Thredson, or Grace:

Monsignor Timothy has trusted Sister Jude and Dr. Arden with being in charge of the Asylum, which has to indicate he's not exactly well in the head himself. He has some special agreement with the doc as well. Also, I think Joseph Fiennes talked about the Monsignor having an evil side in a recent interview.

Dr. Thredson is seemingly good, but we were led to believe by the possessed boy that he was unwanted by his mother, so he has mommy issues. And, usually, guys with Mommy issues aren't very good to women. I also wonder if Sr. Jude won't end up being the mother that gave him away.

Grace would be interesting just because we're all thinking that it's a man, and she's a petite, young woman. We don't know her backstory yet either, even though she does seem like one of the more sane people in the Asylum.

[Glitterkittens]

drtina1 , I like your theory about Sister Eunice AND I had the same tingly suspicion about ZQ being Sister Jude's abandoned baby. We now know she joined the sisterhood in 1949, and it's 1964, though, so I would think maybe her kid wouldn't be old enough to be ZQ?

[Antigone01]

From the beginning, I kept thinking Sister Eunice was Sister Jude's daughter somehow. And am I missing something - was it actually confirmed that she had a child once or is that still just speculation?

Anyway, my main spec is that Grace's connection/interest in Kit is that she is his sister. She is supposed to be locked up there for having killed her family I believe. And I think she is actually guilty of that. I think it's one of two scenarios perhaps. 1) Grace was given up for adoption and murdered her adoptive family. OR 2) Kit was the one that was given up for adoption or raised by someone else, Grace killed their real family, and Kit is the only one in her blood family that is left alive. So she is interested in him for that reason for good or ill. I don't get any kind of romantic vibe from her or their dynamic. However, it's obvious that she was very interested in him from the beginning (even bordering on possessive), so it has to be another plausible reason.

It would be interesting for Grace to be like this hidden in plain sight psychopath. While everyone is looking at big hulking men and monsters as the evil - they overlook the little seemingly normal Grace (and sister Eunice too who is of course now possessed).

I think the reason Dr. Arden's creatures supposedly don't age or could live "forever" is because he is creating monsters ala Dr. Frankenstein. So that would make sense that in present day, the real BF (one of the doc's monsters I believe) is still alive.

Edited by Antigone01, Nov 2, 2012 @ 5:03 PM.

[mustbekarma]

I've been pondering for a while, and I really don't think I can rule out Kit from being Bloody Face. Ryan Murphy could be thinking "Tate was a serial murderer who pretended not to remember his crimes, so no one would think I'd make him the serial killer this time. It's genius, and I can get away with it by saying that Kit genuinely believes he's not Bloody Face, but he's suffering from multiple personality disorder and doesn't remember being Bloody Face." Therefore, I'm torn between feeling sorry for Kit and wanting Sister Jude to hit him again. Ryan Murphy would only get to pull this bait and switch once, but he could do it.

I'm leaning towards Kit being the killer until proven otherwise.

Besides, by the time the Doctor and Jude and the demon are finished with Kit, he's liable to become a serial killer by the end of the series, if he's even still alive.

Considering the first season's idea of a happy ending was the ghost family decorating a Christmas tree and evil Constance and the Antichrist baby bonding over killing the babysitter, I'm picturing an ending like this.

Once the demon is bored killing people one by one, she lets in the mutants and whips up every last person into a brutal frenzy and everybody kills everybody else. Everybody dies.

[BakerX2]

Once the demon is bored killing people one by one, she lets in the mutants and whips up every last person into a brutal frenzy and everybody kills everybody else. Everybody dies.

Agreed. They have Checkov's hidden passageway all established and sooner or later the monsters will find it (or will be led through it) and it will be a horribly gruesome end for everyone in the asylum...

[blackburn]

I'm leaning towards Kit being the killer until proven otherwise.

I'm going to go with Grace being the big-bad wolf this time. It'd probably be a reverse of the Tate-Violet relationship where Kit is the one betrayed. She either doesn't remember or is in denial about committing those murders. Plus those saucer eyes? Totally Bloody Face material.

[BoredEnough]

I don't understand how anybody could be Bloody Face who is inside the asylum...so that would rule out Grace, Kit and Lana.

I kind of wish the whole alien storyline had been saved for another season. They could have done sime Signs type show.

Edited by BoredEnough, Nov 4, 2012 @ 7:29 PM.

[blackburn]

http://www.beyondfan...oster.html#more

Thought this was an interesting read. So based on that picture of Shelley, does this mean the Monsignor would know about her fate but might not do anything about it? I am guessing he and Arden share some common interests. Those aliens didn't pop up at the church over night. Arden is probably little fish compared to the Monsignor.

[mustbekarma]

The Priest has been kind of a blank slate. He's my stealth candidate for Bloody Face.

[Glitterkittens]

Also wondering if monsignor will be the real Nazi war criminal.

[diorella78]

Also wondering if monsignor will be the real Nazi war criminal.

It may be technically possible...but he'd have to have been a Hitler Youth. The Monsignor is around, what? maybe 40? I guess he could have been a polished 20 year old when the regime fell, I suppose. Maybe we'll eventually see b&w flashbacks of him with Dr. Arden.

[Christi]

Is this season a complete seperate story from season one? I keep trying figure out if this is the back story for all the ghosts trapped in the house, but each episode is getting to be more difficult to connect them.

I guess that will always keep the seasons fresh, starting from scratch with new stories, but I miss the house, and would love to see the cannibal baby!

[BoredEnough]

Is this season a complete seperate story from season one? I keep trying figure out if this is the back story for all the ghosts trapped in the house, but each episode is getting to be more difficult to connect them.

I guess that will always keep the seasons fresh, starting from scratch with new stories, but I miss the house, and would love to see the cannibal baby!

Yes, it's completely separate. I think RM said he would like to revisit the baby and Lange's story in another season.

[BakerX2]

Alternatively, the Monsignor could be a Nazi collaborator and not a Nazi himself. High ranking Catholic Church members supported the Nazis and their persecution of Jews and more to the point, there is the infamous "Ratlines", where the Catholic Church helped arrange the flight of Nazi war criminals to Argentina>

The Monsignor could be in league with the doctor in terms of being charged with protecting him/giving him free reign to continue his experiments. Arden could even be blackmailing the Monsignor and his superiors, threatening to expose the church's protection of the Nazis and giving them sanctuary across the ocean when Germany fell....

[blackburn]

So since that poster interpretation did turn out to be true (that the Monsignor is in cahoots with Arden) I wonder whether the other speculations would work out too. That Thredson is Bloody Face or is aware of who he is since Bloody Face's shadow is on his side of the room. Now Grace is tied up on one side of the room, prevented from reaching Kit. Maybe it means she is schizophrenic/needs supervision? And that she's dangerous to Kit?

[BakerX2]

Alternatively, it could reference the notion that Grace will be stuck in solitary for the rest of the season and that she won't be able to help Kit, especially if he finds out that ZQ's character is the real Bloody Face and finds himself being targeted by him to keep his secret.

[blackburn]

BakerX2, your interpretation sounds plausible. Now Sister Jude stands over Shelley and everyone else. Maybe that means she turns out to be the real hero of the season/the one everyone has to depend on.

[hardy har]

So does anyone else think Kit's wife (Alma?) isn't dead? I mean, considering the bodies were burned and they were, y'now, headless you can't really identify them properly.

[Glitterkittens]

It had occurred to me that Kit's wife might be alive but I hope not because she was a horrible actress.

[hardy har]

Bloody Face spec may be moot since the official episode synopsis for tomorrow's ep says we'll find out who it is, but who on the show has blue eyes? They're, like, the only distinguishing thing I can make out when Bloody Face is on screen. They're a really vivid blue too. Well, they were in the modern psrt of the story. I can't remember if I noticed the color in the 1964 bits. He/she can't be any of the Briarcliff patients because of Wendy's murder/attack, right?

BTW, I still think Bloody Face is a terrible nickname for a serial killer.

It had occurred to me that Kit's wife might be alive but I hope not because she was a horrible actress.

Aww, I liked her. Granted, I don't know what the fuck they'd do with her (story-wise) if she was still alive.

Edited by hardy har, Nov 13, 2012 @ 10:56 PM.

[blackburn]

It had occurred to me that Kit's wife might be alive but I hope not because she was a horrible actress.

You and me both. Never got the shipping, and I blame it on the actress. But I'd like the show to tie up her part of the story.

[kc77]

I have read some good theories about what character, Dylan McDermott, could be playing:

1. McDermott will be playing the brother of BF victim Leo (Adam Levine)
2. McDermott is actually Dr. Thresdon’s (Zachary Quintos) lover
And
3. McDermott is Lana’s editor.

What do you think?

[Glitterkittens]

You and me both. Never got the shipping, and I blame it on the actress. But I'd like the show to tie up her part of the story.

I agree, and I'm hoping they'll resolve it shortly after they tell me who killed Addie in that hit and run season 1. Or what half the point of half that cast was.

In other words, I sadly expect that there will be a lot of unresolved plot twists this season, as well. Stuff happens to put other stuff in motion regardless of linear storytelling in the Ryan Murphy world.

[diorella78]

I have read some good theories about what character, Dylan McDermott, could be playing:

1. McDermott will be playing the brother of BF victim Leo (Adam Levine)
2. McDermott is actually Dr. Thresdon’s (Zachary Quintos) lover
And
3. McDermott is Lana’s editor.

What do you think?

I think they all are plausible. As soon as I heard Dylan was back I thought "hey, he and Adam Levine kind of resemble each other..." Although it would be interesting if he came on in his guest-stint as Thredson's lover.

[Turkish]

Frances Conroy and Ian McShane have also yet to appear. Any thoughts on who they might be playing? More new patients maybe?