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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 8:34 AM

An exorcist is called to Briarcliff to help save a troubled farm boy; Sister Jude's darkest secret is revealed.



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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:03 PM

Whatever act Sister Mary Eunice may or may not have been putting on before, she'll certainly be wearing a mask now, as it seems Jed's demon transferred to her.

The child's blue coat from the teasers seems to have been a reference to the little girl Jude killed. It'll be interesting to see how that comes into play during the season.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:04 PM

That Doctor is a real nasty piece of work. Sister Mary Eunice better watch herself.

Lana Banana is a prize bitch. I hope karma gets her. Poor Kit ;(

Was Kit taking Lana's notes a genuine attempt to help / protect her? Or did he just want to see her escape plan? Also, Kit can't be BloodyFace now because BloodyFace killed Mrs Pizer right?

I can tolerate a lot of creepy but I don't like possession or demons or stuff like that.

Blah. I still like the show but I hope it picks up.

Interesting backstory on Sister Jude though.

Oh, and was that the end of lusty honeymooners?? Or is Mrs Channing Tatum still alive?

Edited by malibudream, Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:06 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:06 PM

Did they just kill Clea DuVall? How dare they!!!

So the mad doctor has a crush....I'd say it was sweet but something makes me want to go ick!

First we have aliens...now we have an Exorcism. My show is back!!!!

Oh Lana what have you done? Calling the guards was so not cool. I still love you though.

Two episodes in a row we get to see Evan Peters' butt.

There you are Zachary Quinto...playing the "good" doctor. How very 1960s of you.

So Sister Jude has a past...and killed someone...interesting.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:09 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:07 PM

I don't know about this show. Now they're adding demonic possession to the mix, and now the sadistic Doctor Frankenstein is also probably the real Bloody Face?

Seriously, I think a drinking game is in order. For every time Sister Jude hits someone with a cane, take a drink. Getting wasted might improve this series.

I'm still not really digging this. I remember being creeped out by the the first season and having some legitimate laughs from dark humor. I'm mostly still getting whiplash with this episode.

I'm giving this one more episode. I actually want to be scared by a horror story, not bored.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:09 PM

I liked that episode a lot more than the first one.

So, is Dr. Zephram Cochran Bloody Face or is he just turned on by gore? I guess we will find out.

The burn marks on Lana's temples looked really, really fake.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:19 PM

I'm still extremely invested in this show as much as I was last season at this time. They keep bringing the creepy and twisted horror and I love it. This episode was much better than the premiere.

I'm very intrigued to see the "patients gone wrong" that are most likely floundering around the woods. I also really like the whole premise of this season and am curious to see where they are going to go with it, which is all I can ask from a horror show.

The only things that would help improve the overall story arcs and episodes is if they steer away from the whole "alien abduction" story and scale back on the religion a little bit. I don't mind the religious practices, but too much of it can slow the pacing down of the episodes, allowing it to become a little boring.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:24 PM

If I heard right, the boy who had the exorcism's name was Jed, which means "Friend of God". Nice touch.

And I was yelling at Lana that Kit being beaten by like four guards was THE PERFECT DISTRACTION TO ESCAPE. Jeez.

Edited by Amester0120, Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:25 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:43 PM

I really hope that Lana's reference to the person who she loved the most who threw her away was deeper than Clea DuVall's character. Lana seems to have this implicit desire to always trust women over men. I would love this show to have a deeper rationale for this other than she's a lesbian.

So Sister Jude was a fornicating drunken lounge singing harlot who killed someone. I'm a little suprised that a car accident would be something that would wake her up from her downward spiral.

So Sister Mary Eunice is now possessed? And now out to fully encourage/tempt Dr. Bloody Face?

Poor poor Kit. And only crazy Grace believes that he's innocent. I can't wait until we get the reveal about what Grace actually did to get into the hospital. I would love it if she was out and out guilty and had done a series of mass murders (just so that someone could rub it in Lana's face).

Edited by hunterhunted, Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:43 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:43 PM

I wonder what Lana is going to do now that she's turned her closest, and probably sanest, ally against her? She's really friendless now. I can't wait to see her reaction to her gf's murder bc you know that's going to come back to haunt the viewers.

So we have an asylum, Dr. Frankenstein and his creatures, aliens, a serial killer, and now demons. Kitchen sink, meet Ryan Murphy.

If Bloody Face is still out there killing people, is that going to clue people into the fact that Kit is innocent or will they not care and think it's a copycat? I don't think Kit is going to make it out...at least in any way this side of sane, and that goes for Lana too.

Was a bit surprised Sister Jude was so combative with Dr. Thursten? (is that ZQ's character's name?)I would assume that the doctor could bring a lot of heat against them especially if it triggered a surprise inspection.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:51 PM

And I was yelling at Lana that Kit being beaten by like four guards was THE PERFECT DISTRACTION TO ESCAPE. Jeez.

I know! Damn you Lana Banana for messing that escape up,I was pissed at her for screwing Kit and Grace. I was hoping she'd come around to trusting Kit. Although I don't know for sure if I do because this show can pull the rug from out under you at any moment.

I wasn't sure if we'd be seeing the freaky looking asylum girl again(Pepper) She freaks me the hell out(no pun intended)
Looks like Adam Levine is no more. Yay!

So the mad doctor has a crush....I'd say it was sweet but something makes me want to go ick!

Ugh was so gross with that prostitute. What did he say to her that he wanted to see....something about moss.....nevermind, I don't want to remember.



The guy who played the possessed kid was pretty damn good.

Edited by valny, Oct 24, 2012 @ 10:55 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 11:00 PM

Ugh was so gross with that prostitute. What did he say to her that he wanted to see....something about moss.....nevermind, I don't want to remember.

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Show me your mossy bank. Slowly.

Ultra-creepy to hear James Cromwell saying that.
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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 11:04 PM

Two episodes in a row we get to see Evan Peters' butt.

Woot!
Did they portray him as such a 'baby faced' character last season? I guess he was more creepy than innocent. This time, they're showing him with the big doe eyes and flippy hair like he's some sort of boy band member. "Sir Galahad", indeed.

I don't know about this show. Now they're adding demonic possession to the mix, and now the sadistic Doctor Frankenstein is also probably the real Bloody Face?

I thought the same thing at first, but would old Dr. Arden still be alive and stabbing not-quite-dead Adam Levine? *insert Rick Allen joke here*

So last ep had a "science will always prevail" theme, and this one had a "give religion a second glance" theme. Interesting. The candy apple temptation was a nice touch. The innocent little sister ate the apple and now she's possessed. Although I wish they hadn't been so obvious about Sister Simper becoming Regan MacNeil. Did the Dr. actually ask for someone who looked just like Eunice? Not that his crush is the first one. Although, after the 53 cocks exposition, I wonder if Jude's just horny. Makes her feelings toward Shelley a bit more understandable.

Could Alma really be alive? It's not like they had DNA back then. The bodies were burnt and missing their heads. The only reason they think the dead girl is Alma is because she's now missing.

I love how they let this "maniac" Bloody Face just walk around the common room at times, and other times he's in shackles. And Lana must now realize that a psychopath wouldn't have taken the blame for the escape plan so Grace wouldn't be punished, so I bet she'll be trying to befriend him now. And he'll have none of it. She's such a dumbass.
I'd also like to see what will happen to Kit once the teacher is discovered. And how that will also change Lana's opinion of him.

There doesn't seem to have been any lasting effects from Kit's visit with the Dr. I guess once the spider chip ran away, he lost his nerve and just moved Kit back to his cell?

I knew Sister Jude wasn't as holy as they had portrayed. She couldn't wait to get her hands on that electro-torture device.

Has anyone mentioned the X-Files/oil eyes in the opening credits? Just another laien reference? Or another one of those "homages" we keep seeing?

Is the Monsignor supposed to look like Elliot Stabler?

Zachary Quinto has the smoothest skin on any man I've ever seen. I call him as the next violent death. Unfortunately.

Rule #2 for the AHS Drinking Game: drink every time any character uses sexual metaphors to shock the audience.

One question, though - where does Lana get her cigs? Kit has to risk his life for one, and she smokes them like they're coming out of her ass.

Edited by KermitD.Frog, Oct 24, 2012 @ 11:14 PM.

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Posted Oct 24, 2012 @ 11:35 PM

Ultra-creepy to hear James Cromwell saying that.

I am deeply disturbed by seeing James Cromwell in this role. I cheered with the prostitute bit him and escaped.

Maybe modern-day Bloody Face is the possessed Sister Mary Eunice, or someone else was later possessed by the demon.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 12:03 AM

Am I the only one?
"That'll do pig."

It's all I can think of.

So far I don't like this season as well, there is just too much at once no build up - and if this is the build up? To what?!
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 12:09 AM

For any other fans of Babe out there, I think we need to picture James Cromwell in L.A. Confidential before the next episode.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:15 AM

Did they just kill Clea DuVall? How dare they!!!


My thoughts exactly. I love Clea! I was really hoping her character (and involvement with Lana) could be further developed. I liked her (even though she was a brief appearance); she had pictures of herself with her students and her last words were "I'm a teacher - the children won't understand". Given, she did sign away her girlfriend into an asylum... so dang.

I can tolerate a lot of creepy but I don't like possession or demons or stuff like that.

Likewise. That was scary.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:20 AM

Was Kit taking Lana's notes a genuine attempt to help / protect her? Or did he just want to see her escape plan? Also, Kit can't be BloodyFace now because BloodyFace killed Mrs Pizer right?


Correct. Kit was locked up when Ms. Pizer was murdered, and they made sure to show it was Bloody Face--although it could be a copycat, I suppose.

My heart really broke for her. You could tell she thought she deserved this because of her betrayal of Lana but she pleaded that her kids wouldn't understand. She really loved teaching and children, and there was much les context for that kind of shocking, horrific murder back then. Her last thought was for them.

The NotSoGood Dr. is a real peice of work but I don't think he's Bloody Face. He's too damn tall. James Cromwell could play The Jolly Green Giant at a moment's notice and whoever is playing the serial killer is a completely different build. Do you think the prostitute will go to the cops or no?

The actor playing the possessed kid really brought it. That was horrifying. When the parents were describing what their son had done I was "Okay, sounds like the sudden onslaught of Bipolar syndrome or a psychotic break." But when they showed him my husband and I were both "NOPE. That is the DEVIL. Not a devil, the devil." But considering how this place is run, I can't blame him for showing up. Hell is empty, and all the devils are there.

Sister Eunice is going to lead the Dr. a merry chase. I wonder what the hell happened to him to inspire such an extreme pathology? Talk about physician, heal thyself!

Shelly was great telling her story--and a nice line between a woman who enjoys sex and nymphomania (which was seen last season.) She just had a really high sex drive and was trapped in a society where she had absolutely no outlet, not even in marriage. As she said, as soon as the ring was on her finger her former free thinking mate became her owner. He kept screwing around but she was expected to just be a wife/servant, and when she rebelled he committed her!

Again, this is why civil rights and the feminist movement are important, people! As soon as it's decided that you are "less then", your existence and freedom are at the mercy not only of random authority figures, but those that profess to love you.

Edited by Snookums, Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:21 AM.

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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:34 AM

Again, this is why civil rights and the feminist movement are important, people! As soon as it's decided that you are "less then", your existence and freedom are at the mercy not only of random authority figures, but those that profess to love you.

This might be the scariest of the horrors this season because it was all too real.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:41 AM

So we have an asylum, Dr. Frankenstein and his creatures, aliens, a serial killer, and now demons. Kitchen sink, meet Ryan Murphy.


And they already did the haunted house in season 1. What could be left to cover in season 3?

Totally disturbing seeing James Cromwell as such a sicko.

I really don't know if I want to hang on for an entire season seeing Tater falsely accused of a crime due to racism and get tortured week after week and Lana Banana (who I am pissed at for ratting out Tater and Grace) getting locked up for being a lesbian and getting tortured weekly, and the rest of the inmates being tortured and turned into zombies in Mengele's basement lab...It's just endless hopelessness and despair. There's no way to find out if things turn around and my heroes finally get some justice unless I do watch, but this season for me is just despair and more despair; if there's no justice in the end here for the way these innocent people get locked up simply out of prejudice and revenge and the rampant abuse they suffer in that place, I'm going to feel played.

I know we're only two episodes in, but after the honeymooners getting off on doing it on a rusty, dusty, blood-stained table that was tainted with the suffering of countless others, and the hopelessness of our heroes' situation, I need to see things turn around sooner rather than later.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:46 AM

I can't believe Lana gave up her chance to escape. Look up Pepper to see the girl who plays her. Interesting.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:58 AM

I actually really liked this episode and I'm glad they're packing them with stuff. I'm so sick of shows where you basically watch so you know what the cliffhanger is so you'll watch the next week, and 35 minutes are filler.

Still curious to see how Chloe Sevigny's character fits in, besides the overall sexual nature of the thing. Guessing the Doctor/Bloody Face connection is a pretty big red herring. It's way too obvious. I love how conflicted everyone is. A lot of complexities mixed in with the best of sixties horror. I actually kind of like (all while finding her character very annoying) the idea that yes, Lana is persecuted for her sexuality, but that doesn't mean she's an admirable person, either. She clearly has serious issues with men. Although, I guess on one hand she DOES think he's a murderer...based on no evidence and the same basic logic that's condemned her.

I seem to be in the minority but I am much more enthusiastic about demonic possession than aliens.

Edited by Glitterkittens, Oct 25, 2012 @ 1:59 AM.

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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 2:17 AM

and Lana Banana (who I am pissed at for ratting out Tater and Grace)



Thing is, I'm not pissed at her, at least not for that. She really thinks Tate is a Murderer, and a particularly cruel, vicious and bloody one. She didn't think she could live with herself is she was responsible for his escape and more women were murdered. She was putting others' lives before her own, and in really extreme circumstances.

But what is far more horrifying is that her very need to cling to her sanity (and that's certainly an understandable need) is blinding her, as it would blind many of us in a similar situation, to the idea that she may not be the only sane person in the nuthouse.

Lana knows the reasons for her lockup, and they have nothing to do with insanity. But she is in a lunatic asylum. And plenty of the inmates are certainly acting strange. Therefore, in her (faulty but understandable) reasoning, since she is sane, everybody else must be crazy. It would never occur to her to try to unite the inmates against their jailers, stage a mass revolt, etc. She is only concerned with getting her own noncrazy ass out of this horrific situation and out of state as fast as possible. Even the article she wants to write isn't motivated by altruism. First she wanted an exclusive on Bloody Face to bolster her career; now she's planning a Snake Pit type expose for revenge. Even Grace was a means to an end for her--and there was another interesting thing.

She wants Grace along--why? Well, at first it's because Grace clearly has the wherwithal to move pretty freely around the place and she needs that expertise to get to the tunnel, and offers the escape attempt as a bribe. But it's also because Grace is a woman and she trusts women, kind of implicitly. She doesn't want Tate not only because he's a killer (she thinks) and it's going to be a lot harder to get away with a notorious serial killer as one of your party, but because he is a man.

But she's wrong. Okay, she doesn't know Tate's innocent, but what does she know about Grace? Hell, she very well could have chopped up her family! She just projects far more danger onto Tate then Grace, even though she met them in the same place.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 2:42 AM

I seem to be in the minority but I am much more enthusiastic about demonic possession than aliens.


I also loved the demonic possession. Creepy and I'm still getting chills, it's a shame Jed's gone after just the one episode, because he played the part excellently. It's the alien storyline that's falling flat for me.

I really enjoyed this episode, wall to wall thrills, but I do have to question that if this is the second episode, and we're just installing more and more seemingly unrelated storylines (aliens, mass murderer, demonic possession, creepy Dr. Moreau-esque monsters) what exactly are we building to? Don't let me down Ryan Murphy.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 5:27 AM

I never really watched the first season because the pilot freaked me out. I am too much of scaredy cat when it comes to horror. But this season I'm too angry to be scared.
Misogyny, homophobia, misuse of power - it's all there and it's only too realistic. I am more freaked out by the idea that people who were not part of mainstream society could be so easily abused and locked away.

Shelley's story was heartbreaking and it was only the beginning. She liked sex and because of that, her equally unfaithful husband could lock her away. I have to wonder why he didn't just divorce her and move on.

Lana. Poor ambitious, trusting-the-wrong-person Lana. While I hated the fact the Kit was punished because of her, I have to laud her moral compass even though it was pointed in the wrong direction. She gave up her one chance of escape because she'd rather stay in an insane asylum run by sadists rather than let a killer loose on the world. I am just hoping that after his episode, she will come to realized that Kit really isn't a killer and maybe those three would work together from now on.

But she's wrong. Okay, she doesn't know Tate's innocent, but what does she know about Grace? Hell, she very well could have chopped up her family! She just projects far more danger onto Tate then Grace, even though she met them in the same place.


Yes, I noticed that too. Is it because of her sexual orientation or is there a more practical reason. She could be thinking that she could physically overpower another woman, if need be but not a man and certainly not one who's accused of killing numerous women.

James Cromwell is giving me the willies. The scene with the prostitute, where he grabbed his crotch, I wanted to throw up. Good for the prostitute, that she managed to escape. I just wish she had caused him lasting damage before her escape. Funny how he called Shelley a whore and then he went and hired one to play out his twisted fantasies about the young nun. What a hypocrite! I have to admit that I'm more incensed by his callous treatment of Shelley than the experiments that he conducts. I don't know what that says about me. And what happened after he cut out that alien thing out of Kit's neck? Kit seemed fine and the asshole doctor didn't seem to be disconcerted either. Was the sequence even real or was Kit hallucinating?

I am hating Sister Jude too. I don't know if I am supposed to feel sorry for her because of the way she is ordered about and put down by intellectually inferior men, but I just don't. Because she is just as unpleasant to Lana, for being ambitious like she is. And killing that girl while drunk driving. She joined a convent to repent but she certainly didn't hand herself over to the police. If she really felt guilty, she would have done so. But of course not. She is just as self-serving as the evil Doctor and her precious Monsignor.

I have to agree with a previous poster about how the series is too full of despair. The good guys just keep on getting abused and the bad guys just keep on getting away with it. Zachary Quinto's character seems like a good guy which of course means that he will end up in a cell next to Lana before long. Hope I am wrong about that and things will look up in the end and there won't be a total downer ending.
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 6:07 AM

but this season for me is just despair and more despair

American horror at it's fineset.

I love how I'm not the only one still calling him 'Tate'. Poor Tater...

Count me in on liking the possession more than the aliens. It's the same as vampirism, zombism and werewolfism - the thought of being trapped inside your own body and have no control over what you do and/or how strongly you want to do something. Kinda cool how they combined the supernatural horror with the real life horror of 1960's society. Who would have thought that the real stuff would get more of a reaction than the otherworldy stuff?

Was the sequence even real or was Kit hallucinating?

I noticed Tate had a healing cut on his neck at some point during last night's ep (I think while he was sitting at a table in the common room or something). So, the cut was real, anyway. Did both Dr. Babe and Kit see the thing scurry away? I can't remember.

Jude is just as ambitious as Lana, which is what makes her hate Lana as much as she hates Shelley for being horny. She wants to follow the Mons. up to the Vatican or wherever he wants to go, and seems to be able to justify anything she does as good for the patient, when in fact she's just doing it to get ahead. How else could she justify helping in the shocking of Lana?
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 6:34 AM

Lana. Poor ambitious, trusting-the-wrong-person Lana.


I don't think I can come up with a better description of Lana right now. My one thought when Kit was getting the crap beating out of him by the guards was "Oh Lana, what have you done. : And when Sister Jude was was punishing Kit ,"See Lana this is what you've done." I really am enjoying her storyline and like that she isn't the perfect lesbian model and has made a very big and very tragic mistake and am looking forward to seeing what happens when she find out that Bloodyface has killed her girlfriend. (Say it ain't so?)
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 6:53 AM

I seem to be in the minority but I am much more enthusiastic about demonic possession than aliens.


I also loved the demonic possession. Creepy and I'm still getting chills, it's a shame Jed's gone after just the one episode, because he played the part excellently. It's the alien storyline that's falling flat for me.


Count me too - Exorcism of Emily Rose was terrifying.

Shelly was great telling her story--and a nice line between a woman who enjoys sex and nymphomania (which was seen last season.) She just had a really high sex drive and was trapped in a society where she had absolutely no outlet, not even in marriage. As she said, as soon as the ring was on her finger her former free thinking mate became her owner. He kept screwing around but she was expected to just be a wife/servant, and when she rebelled he committed her!


I can see where that was what RM was aiming for but she does seem to be hitting on every male in the place and is out of control sexually (not just someone who enjoys sex). So I'm not convinced she's NOT a nymphomaniac. Her story is still heartbreaking
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 7:08 AM

I can see where that was what RM was aiming for but she does seem to be hitting on every male in the place and is out of control sexually (not just someone who enjoys sex). So I'm not convinced she's NOT a nymphomaniac. Her story is still heartbreaking


Right now I think Shelley is acting out. She could be thinking that she is already paying for the crime and so she might as well do the crime. For one second after her encounter with the evil Doctor, the craziness went out of her eyes and she just looked sad and sickened.

And a question for the doctors on this forum. Is nymphomania a real mental disorder?
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Posted Oct 25, 2012 @ 7:42 AM

And a question for the doctors on this forum. Is nymphomania a real mental disorder?

Wikipedia, away!

This episode was easily one of my favorites of the show so far. While I wanted Kit to escape, of course (I wanted them all to, but obviously that was off the table), I completely understand where Lana was coming from.

I'll miss Clea Duvall. She's so awesome.

I did an Arsenio whoop when the prostitute got free. I agree that whoever played Jed was amazing and creepy as hell. And Lily Rabe is blowing my mind in general.

This show is like actor's porn for me at this point.

Edited by Kosmonaut, Oct 25, 2012 @ 7:43 AM.

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