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[Tableau]

We were first introduced to Captain Killian "Hook" Jones tonight and I gotta say, I loved him, with his guyliner and all. I've never seen someone get their hand cut off with so little fuss. It helps my interest that he's a total hottie.

Edited by Tableau, Oct 21, 2012 @ 11:27 PM.

[gaygeeksf]

Hottie, yes indeed. But what was all of that head bowed looking up at people schtick. Is that supposed to be sexy/coy. Came across as a bro affectation. And they need to get his coat and shirt off. If you got a trim Euro soccer body then flaunt it baby, flaunt it.

[Anakerie]

And once again I stew in frustration that Wonkavision has not yet been invented and I was not able to grab Hook and yank him into my living room. Oh well, with my luck I would have probably just groped Smee by accident.

[gaygeeksf]

Hey, even Smee needs some loving. Especially this Smee since he has been the secondary comic relief/possible gay guy on Eureka for many a season. And an episode of Level Up. dude needs a break. But as to your point, Hook better be careful at the next ComicCon or a riot could break out.

[Mrs Joe]

I've never seen someone get their hand cut off with so little fuss.

This. I got a good laugh at how functional he was while his stump was still throbbing!

Cook being so hot helped mitigate the fact that they introduced him in the previews as even more evil than Rumpelstilskin. He didn't come across that way to me at all. In fact, it appears he was willing to sacrifice himself for his True Love, which is something Rumpie has never shown. Obviously he has questionable morals and ethics, but truly evil? Meh. Maybe Disney has trouble writing true evil. Or maybe we are going to see more from Cook that will convince us. At this point though, I feel he's justified in his quest for Rumpie.

[Princess Aldrea]

I don't think he was shown doing anything evil this episode. He didn't kill anybody; he only made fun of Rumple back before he had power but everybody did that. He even showed up to their duel he knew he couldn't win.

[Tricksterson]

So far I would call him a jerk but not evil, aside from his being a pirate that is. Then again he is willing to cut a deal with Cora although that might just be a desire for revenge overcoming his judgement.

Edited by Tricksterson, Oct 22, 2012 @ 2:25 PM.

[Tableau]

Well, there was something like 300 years in the story between Hook taking his crew to Neverland and him and Cora hanging, so a lot likely has happened to change him.

[Curio]

Even though we've only seen in him one episode, I'd wager a bet that ABC's whole "more evil than Rumple" promotions were purposefully misleading. Most advertisements are put together by an entirely different crew of people mostly unrelated to the actual TV shows on the network, so ABC knows that saying "Hook is more evil than Rumple, tune in!" in the preview will get more viewers than "Hook is actually kind of a sympathetic jerk who probably has grey morality, tune in!"

I like that Hook is also the only "villain" who doesn't (or rather, can't) use magic. And that he seems to be annoyed by it. "Sparkly dirt. Wonderful."

[Toughie]

When did he say that line?

George doesn't use magic either by the way.

Edited by Toughie, Oct 22, 2012 @ 11:50 PM.

[Tableau]

Except when he curses people.

Hook said the line to Cora at the end when she showed him the remains of the wardrobe.

[Jeebus Cripes]

Someone somewhere in internet land said something along the lines of, "I wish they would make Hook Ariel's Eric." I have not been able to stop thinking about how awesome that could be. Especially since there are mermaids in Neverland. Whenever that storyline appears, Eric will undoubtedly end up being another bland prince, whereas Hook would have been an interesting twist on the tale. Damn.

Edited by Jeebus Cripes, Oct 23, 2012 @ 1:42 AM.

[darkestboy]

But wouldn't be a touch similar to Rumples being Belle's beast though?

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea but it might be too similar.

Hook looks sexy though.

[jessied112]

Yeah, don't get your hopes up on Hook being Eric. Because, as awesome as that would be, I've learned not to keep hopes up when it comes to wanting certain characters to be somebody else. Because for me, I'm currently 0/2 (August-as-Bae and Whale-as-Peter Pan)

[Finding Judas]

I've never seen someone get their hand cut off with so little fuss.

So funny, and so true. He acted like it was an annoying paper cut. The extremely bad acting in that scene prompted the people I was watching the episode with to scream "It's only a flesh wound!" in British accents at him. I'd describe his expression during the Milha death scene as "dismayed/inconvenienced/moderately gassy."

[darkestboy]

Captain Hook - hot but not really menacing though.

I'll give him time to work on that.

[Tableau]

I don't think Hook will ever be an out and out villain on this show. In my media experience, they hardly ever make the hot guy an out and out evil villain. Hot women yes, guy no. I see him as more of an amoral middleman of sorts who has his own agenda and will do a lot of dirty work to achieve it but will not just kill innocent bystanders left and right like Cora, Regina, and Rumpel. Rob them blind maybe, but not kill unnecessarily.

Of course we haven't seen much of him yet and I may be completely wrong about this but it is what my gut is telling me. I don't think he likes Cora very much.

[MurlocGurgle]

He looks like Joseph Fiennes Improved.

ETA:

In my media experience, they hardly ever make the hot guy an out and out evil villain.

This is usually true but I still remember Rupert Everett in Princess Daisy.

Edited by MurlocGurgle, Oct 24, 2012 @ 2:31 PM.

[gaygeeksf]

Hook is a man with a single minded mission - the destruction of Rumpel. He wants that crocodile hide and everything and everyone is just a means to his vengeance. Hook is a pirate, and a pirate is thief who just happens to use a boat, and who has some people skills due to the need to command other pirates, who as a group are incredibly anarchic, short sighted, short tempered, and rather distrustful. Hook knows how to make deals, and how to break deals to his own advantage. hook also has knowledge that no other player has, which is whatever he got from Peter Pan in the version of Neverland he journeyed to, and must of gotten because why esle would he be back in the Enchanted Forest. He and Cora know that the other cannot be trusted, but will play it out since that is what they do and are; obsessives with goals in close proximity to each other.
The big question is, where is Hook getting his guyliner from anyways? Or did he journey some years back to the land of cosmetic tattooing and and his eyes done permanently?

[Tricksterson]

The big question is, where is Hook getting his guyliner from anyways?

He hijacked it from Jack Sparrow?

Edited by Tricksterson, Oct 31, 2012 @ 9:47 AM.

[Aliasscape]

I see Hook rapidly becoming a popular love interest idea and there's still something bothering me.

What was Hook's role in the village wipe-out? As far as I know, while Hook obviously is incapable of ripping out hearts , he was there in that village of death. Did Cora say hey, "I'm going to go kill everyone in Safe Haven, including at minimum 5 children (visible running around in "Lady of the Lake".), you wait here, then come hop in the bodies when I'm done?"

And so Hook was at least willing to stand by and not warn anybody while a bunch of people and kids got killed?

Or did Cora say "I'm going to create a situation for you gain the princesses' trust, be there at 10am." He shows up, the villagers are all dead and he's like "What have you done?"

Cora's like "Deal, Hook. Hide under the bodies and get to work."

Either way, I see zero remorse on his part. No, "it was terrible." No, "I had no idea Cora would do that to people." It's more, "She kinda scares me. I realize from standing around and letting her kill people that she could take me out in a heartbeat, so I'm switching sides to save my own skin, but I don't care one bit that I knowingly let Cora kill a bunch of people and kids."

So at this point, I basically see Hook complicit in the murders of an island full of people, including kids. I don't really wish him on anyone as cute as Colin is.

I feel like the show has already brushed this under the rug and forgotten about it. Emma leaves him behind because she feels herself starting to trust him and he MIGHT double cross them in the future. How about because he's a co-conspirator in the murder of dozens of people?

Are we supposed to feel like he was just too powerless to stop Cora so he went along with it and had no other choice? Are we supposed to think he's a big coward? Are we supposed to think he's a nice guy who fell into the wrong crowd?

A couple weeks ago he was just a possibly adulterous dude who was kind of a jerk. Then, he's shrugging away the deaths of villagers caused by his partner in crime as a big "wasn't me!". But a week later, whatever, he's just a guy working for the easiest people to get along with, brave giant fighter, and a big flirt. And Emma has "done him wrong" by leaving safely tied up away from them.

This is annoying.

[visenya6]

I see Hook rapidly becoming a popular love interest idea

Me too, he has that bad-boy-thing going on for him. Not to mention, the home wrecker vibe after Bae's mother.

[Tableau]

Don't see what he could have done about the massacre if Cora had set her mind to it. What's he gonna do? Tell the powerful magic user he doesn't approve of her methods? She'd tear his heart out too and he seems very aware of that.

[Camera One]

I guess that's why he's a villain. He's selfish and only cares about himself and his goals. You're right... he doesn't seem to have any residual disturbed feelings or guilt about his role in the village massacre, even though he wouldn't have been able to stop Cora if she wanted to do it. Or maybe Cora has all their hearts stored somewhere to give back to them later in the future? Since she's a tortured soul too. All these "villains" are.

[Limber]

So at this point, I basically see Hook complicit in the murders of an island full of people, including kids.

He IS Captain Hook - it would be weird for him to show specific concern for children after years of throwing orphans overboard in Neverland.

I like him. Don't know what his game is, I'm not particularly invested in him being a love interest, but I enjoy the over-the-top rake act he's got going on - mostly because he clearly knows he's being obnoxious. At the very least he's entertaining to travel with. Though he was weirdly intense when Emma was leaving him behind, I wonder if he actually does have some sort of code of honor.

Anyhow, he's fun! And I want to see him do more one-handed stuff, like biting the cork out of the rum and using his teeth to tie the bandage. Though his beanstalk-climbing technique with the hook was wildly inefficient and mostly just showed up that the props department haven't given him a sturdy prosthesis that he could climb with.

[visenya6]

So at this point, I basically see Hook complicit in the murders of an island full of people, including kids.

He IS Captain Hook - it would be weird for him to show specific concern for children after years of throwing orphans overboard in Neverland.

Good point, this is the same Hook who tried to kill Peter Pan several times and threw Wendy overboard in the original Disney movie. It's not like I expect him to risk his life because of the villagers all of the sudden.

It would be against character IMO.

Edited by visenya6, Nov 10, 2012 @ 9:02 PM.

[Aliasscape]

I have no problem with Hook being a villain. I just get the feeling when he does something bad again, it's going to be "How could Hooky be so mean?" Village of dead people long forgotten.

I think as far as the show has established, if she ripped out the hearts out and they were still alive, then they only would have collapsed dead if she crushed the hearts to dust. In which case, no returns. If she ripped them out in a killing fashion (like Regina did to Henry Sr.), then they were dead before the hearts were even fully taken out. It seems basically magic cannot give hearts back. Only science. I do not think there will be any returning them unless we they wanted to create a town of Frankenmonsters.

I see the idea of giving the hearts back mentioned a lot in speculation. I feel like it can't be done. The show really needs to come out and say so.

Edited by Aliasscape, Nov 10, 2012 @ 9:15 PM.

[Jeebus Cripes]

Anyhow, he's fun! And I want to see him do more one-handed stuff, like biting the cork out of the rum and using his teeth to tie the bandage. Though his beanstalk-climbing technique with the hook was wildly inefficient and mostly just showed up that the props department haven't given him a sturdy prosthesis that he could climb with.

Heh. I kept laughing while watching him climb that stalk because, as you mentioned, not once did he use the hook he claimed he needed to climb it with.

Anyways, I dig him. I like his saucy attitude, and the actor has tons of charisma to pull it off. Also, he's smoking hot for a fact. [/shallow]

[Camera One]

I have no problem with Hook being a villain. I just get the feeling when he does something bad again, it's going to be "How could Hooky be so mean?" Village of dead people long forgotten.

It seems when a villain on a show is good looking and/or has an awesome actor, viewers tend to overlook the evil deeds. I mean, even Emma was casually chatting with him up the beanstalk.

[visenya6]

I guess I just come from a long line of shows in which the asshole that tried to kill a little boy could also be a good looking character (Jaime Lannister, Game of Thrones) or what I see as the greatest actor in the cast be the villain of the story (Ben Linus, Lost). IMO it's not a big deal unless the show/writers start to overlook the character's evil deeds themselves.

Edited by visenya6, Nov 11, 2012 @ 1:33 PM.