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[TWoP Tennison]

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Emma and Mary Margaret try to find a portal that would bring them back to Storybrooke; Henry tries to talk Jefferson into reuniting with his daughter; on the eve of meeting Prince Charming's mother, King George poisons Snow White.

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[HybridIce]

Holy shit, King George is alive? I hate to think what will play out in this world; especially since he’s most likely still out to kill Charming, and with guns and other weaponary around that’s no longer a tough feast. Not to mention, he no longer has a large kingdom to chase him around.

Did anyone but me say “Bitch, please he’s not your grandson,” when Cora was talking about meeting Henry?

I do like that she’s trying to get to Regina, if you think about it, Regina’s happy ending was having a family without the present of her Mother. Adding her mother to Storybrooke where she’s not affected by magic or the curse could be a bad thing for both Regina and the townspeople. This could end very badly and it’s time that Regina get’s a new foil to her curse.

Overall, not a bad episode, though a bit much on the sappy for my taste. The saving grace was finding King George alive.

Nice mother-daughter bonding as well.

[dizzyd]

I bawled like a baby at the end! Very satisfying all around. So Hook is worse than Rumple? Bring it on.

[macster83]

I cannot wait to see a reunion between Cora and Regina! But, jeez, Cora, did you have to kill Lancelot? I hope he's not really dead. What's with this show and killing off the really hot guys?

[Chicken Wing]

Holy shit, King George is alive?

Well, we knew he was alive, we saw him in Storybrooke last season as a lawyer or something. But I did almost forget that he was here. Now things will get interesting.

Did anyone but me say “Bitch, please he’s not your grandson,” when Cora was talking about meeting Henry?

I did. I mean, I guess legally he is, if Storybrooke adoption laws still apply in Fairytale world, but he's technically her step-great-great-grandson -- her daughter's stepdaughter's grandson, yes? -- which sounds even more preposterous.

If Snow and Charming are going to get married so his mom can see it before she dies, the least they could have done was wheeled her death wagon a little closer than 20 feet away. Also, King George's revenge on James -- making Snow drink the infertility poison -- seems rather lame as far as revenge goes, and kind of only serves as a plot point to fit into James's mother's death and making the choice over who to use the last drop of magic water on.

That CGI ogre was sooooo bad, but I liked it anyway. And at some point, Emma is going to remember she's not in Kansas anymore and stop being stupid, yes? Maybe? Next week? Okay, no.

I like that Emma is gradually making peace with her abandonment issues. She sees that she was loved, and wanted, and the decision to send her away was not done lightly, and she finally understands putting the safety of the child you love ahead of your desire -- your need -- to be with them and be a family.

Mulan and Aurora are still trading places for the No. 1 most annoying new character, though.

Edited by Chicken Wing, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:10 PM.

[celette482]

I really want Emma to get a new little brother or sister. If you know what I mean.

[Senna]

I didn't care too much for this episode, other than the nice scene between Snow and Emma at the end. The no children curse for Snow was especially annoying -- obviously it was going to be resolved since, duh, Emma's around, so it just felt like a waste of time. (Especially since Lancelot got killed off too -- though of course I wouldn't be surprised if Cora was lying about that.) I wonder how long after this episode's wedding Charming and Snow's grand wedding celebration took place.

Edited by Senna, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:05 PM.

[Blue Plastic]

They did well this episode with making me "feel" all that Snow has lost. Sniff! Even my hard little heart started to melt a little during that "get used to someone putting you first" scene between Snow and Emma.

Did not care for stupid, sulky Aurora.

[HybridIce]

Well, we knew he was alive, we saw him in Storybrooke last season as a lawyer or something. But I did almost forget that he was here. Now things will get interesting.

We did? I don't recall. Damn I need to watch season 1 again, evidently. In that case, this episode was a little sappy, but I didn't mind it. It was still a good episode.

I forgot to mention that I also liked how well Henry was used this episode. While I hope it's not regular thing, but I liked how he tricked Regina to do a little investigation in Regina's vault. I was really hoping, though, that we would find more than a box of snakes.

[MorninStar]

WOW. Awesome episode! It had me crying!

The 'no children' curse and the baby-predicting amulet was a good call back to how Snow knew their baby was going to be a girl (and shows that Charming was just trying to put Rumples off the track back in the prison when he was trying to get the name of their baby). It also explains why King George is so miffed at Charming, but Charming had nothing to do with the curse on his wife and the death of his adopted son. It is irrational that he should have to pay for it.. along with the death of his mother. He took a lesson on revenge and irrational hate from Regina's book.

And OH MY.. there are some big bads coming to Storybrooke. YIKES if Cora comes to town.. there will be hell to pay!

I did. I mean, I guess legally he is, if Storybrooke adoption laws still apply in Fairytale world,

I doubt Henry's adoption was legal.. in the real world sense of adoption because I'm sure it was not done through the proper channels/paperwork/home visits, etc..

I loved Henry in this episode as well. It's got to be a 'HOLY CR@P!" moment when you realize your mother has a vault of hearts! :o

Edited by MorninStar, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:13 PM.

[kcblue86]

Are Cora and George going to team up in some kind of dastardly plan involving Henry? Because now I'm worried about him. His fake grandparents are significantly less cool than his real grandparents.

So Snow and Charming were totally pregnant before the fancy wedding right? Because that makes the time frame between threat and curse smaller and more believable.

I really want Emma to get a new little brother or sister. If you know what I mean.

Now this is a ripped from fanfic plot I could get behind.

[mercedwain]

I liked this episode, but now something's bothering me that I hadn't thought of before. If the curse was enacted right after Emma was born, wouldn't Mary Margaret have spent the last 28 years post-partum, and not, say, having one-night-stands with Dr. Whale? (Remember how she was limping along in the episode where they send Emma through the portal?)

[Chicken Wing]

I might feel more badly about James's mother's death, but he did freaking tell her to stay in the damn cabin...

[tvgaldiane]

Help! I'm feeling character and realm overload. I think the writers crammed too much in this episode. I felt like there was a lot of bouncing around.

[My Way]

I bawled like a baby at the end!

J
Me too. It was by far my favorite episode since the show came back, except how much it sucks that hot Lancelot is dead. Also, I kind of hate that Cora can shapeshift, because it makes everything/everyone suspect in the future.

Other than that, loved Henry/Charming (and actually felt a little bad for Regina, not to mention scared for Henry if he keeps pulling that stuff), loved Emma/Mary Margaret. I still hate Mulan, though. Aurora is just kind of stupid.

I was wondering when the King guy was going to show up. Can't wait to see how that goes.

[Fable]

Henry kills me (in a good way). I loved him not getting on the school bus as soon as Charming turned his back. At least he is an equal opportunity rebel, not just towards Regina! I thought it was sweet that he helped Jefferson reunite with his daughter, and their reunion was adorable.

I knew something was up as soon as Lancelot turned up at the castle. I didn’t know for sure that it was Cora, but some reason, I knew Lancelot was up to no good…no surprise there since it was really Cora. I look forward to a Cora/Regina confrontation. I hope she finds a way to get herself to Storybrooke or Regina to the Enchanted Forest.

Aww Ruth! What a good mama to give up her life so her son could have a family. Too bad they didn’t name Emma after her. That would have been fitting.

King George watching Henry and Charming during the sword play at the end there was a bit creepy.

[pcta]

> but he did freaking tell her to stay in the damn cabin...

No one listens to anyone. Emma ignores Snow's warnings. Henry doesn't listen to Charming. Aurora ignores Mulan . . . . . .

[gingercharm21]

Damn, can Henry ever listen to his elders? Ever?! Not every adventure (most of which are dangerous) is meant for a child.

Can't stand that kid.

Edited by gingercharm21, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:38 PM.

[xqueenfrostine]

Another solid episode for season 3! I'm continuing to adore Charming's interaction with Henry, and watching Snow falling into the role of mother is a real treat. Ginnifer Goodwin is amazing.

When I heard that the general on King George's side was named Leviathan, I thought for sure that we had finally discovered Whale's identity. (Leviathan=sea monster, plus Whale's comment in the premiere about Charming not being his prince) I was a little disappointed to find out that the Leviathan was Lancelot.

Emma was dreadfully annoying this episode. I get that she's out of her element and that she has a pathological need for control which makes her act crazy when she doesn't have it, but I totally wanted Snow to grab her and shake the hell out of her. I suppose showing her up with the ogre and Emma's epiphany at the end will have to do.

Snow was so awesome tonight. Both in the flashbacks and in Post-Apocalypse Fairy Tale Land. She's the most wonderful combo of bad-ass warrior and cuddly Mama-bear. I was happy to see how fast she saw through Cora, both in the pit and when she was under the guise of Lancelot. I did wonder though how Cora knew that Henry was her "grandson." When did Emma tell her that Regina adopted her son? I know she said that Henry was with Regina, but for all Cora knew, Emma could have meant that she was holding him captive. Was it his name?

On a shallow note, I so loved Snow's dress coat tonight from the Fairy Tale flashback. It was a completely ridiculous thing for her to be wearing given the circumstances (warrior Snow in fancy wedding-appropriate white while everyone else is plotting battle in their usual gear? I call foul), but it was pretty enough for me to ignore that fact. I'm really coveting Aurora's headband too. I hope someone makes one like it and starts selling it!

[celette482]

I mean, they definitely have time to have more kids. They're what? Late 20s, early 30s? Not sure what it would do for Emma's abandonment issues, but I think she could get to the point where she'd see a fresh start as a good thing, not an insult

[stopeslite]

Yeah, she never should have left that cabin. Doesn't it have any windows she could have looked out of if she was that worried?

I was really hoping that Charming's mother was going to tell Snow his real name right before she died. Bah.

I'm surprised that Snow didn't think to take some of the wood/ashes from the cabinet as well, just in case. At least take the teddy bear! I couldn't believe she left with nothing. Wonderful moment with Emma saying she had never been put first, though, and that she suddenly realized that her burning the only possible way home to save Henry was like Snow putting her in there in the first place (since obviously giving Henry up for adoption didn't seem to sink in as a parallel in her mind...)

[Tzigone]

Episode thoughts:

Regina still has her vault of hearts. She has not given back freedom to the people she enslaved. Big mark against her redemption. And we know these arean't all dead hearts.

Loved Henry's attempt to do something. I knew it wasn't going to work, but I love that he tried. I like what it says about him. It was also good that he tried to reunite Jefferson and Grace and he didn't seem to be doing that for personal gain - he was doing it for their sakes.

George is a prick. I think he's going to be causing trouble in the future. He is rather like Regina. Petty revenge is his motive. Probably going to be a problem in the future. But what the heck was up with Snow taking a drink from him? She should have known better. She knew the guy was after Charming and held her in no esteem.

Poor Emma. Understandably, she knows nothing about the world she's in. Unfortunately, she comes off like a moron because of it. Especially because she shot the gun after she knew ogres hunted by sound. Also, she got to learn her mom is a total badass. Snow is not Mary Margaret. I did like when she gave the jacket to Aurora - it was a nice tidbit, I thought. Loved the wardrobe-burning. I mean, with more time she could try to think of method of protecting that didn't take away their portal - but there wasn't more time. So good on her.

Lancelot - referenced a single God. I thought I'd heard one before, but couldn't remember when. So there are both monotheistic and polytheistic religions in their society. No shocker there, I just like to file away trivia.

Cora - she is so much cleverer than Regina. Or at least she often seems that way. She doesn't lose her cool - she's in control. Ice water in her veins. But she did slip up. I'm thrilled, but not at all surprised, that Snow never considered believing her. Go Snow. Emma's lie detector seem very faulty, I gotta say. Very frightening that Cora has the ashes.

I liked how Charming reacted when Henry snuck off. He didn't yell at him, he didn't chastise him (too much). He treated Henry with respect - I like adults who treat children with respect. Charming didn't treat it as stupidity. Unwise, but a valiant effort. A lonely boy, who wants his family. And, at the end, he told Henry that Henry would be included from here on out and that's good for Henry's emotional state. I hope Charming was honest about that, because I don't think he'd be successful at keeping Henry out it, anyway. I love that about the kid.

I was, unfortunately, quite bored by the flashbacks this week. And it's really a shame, because I've been looking forward to seeing Charming's mom, finding out what happened to her, ever since "The Shepherd." I'm not surprised she's dead - she wasn't at the wedding ceremony in the pilot. But it was just so predictable. Ever since she got shot, and especially since Lake Nostos was mentioned, we knew how it was going to turn out. So, it didn't do anything for me.

[Gin and Tonic]

I wasn't really feeling this one. Why on earth are Snow and James trying to take over George's kingdom? Just because George is an ass? And was it ever made clear when exactly Snow White learned that Charming wasn't George's son?

The Henry/Jefferson interaction annoyed me. Jefferson helped Regina get the apple knowing that Regina wanted to poison his mother. Henry ended up hurt as a result. The show failing to acknowledge that is creepy.

Also annoyed at what Cindy called "tv talk" in her recap. With the wardrobe playing that prominent a role - with a name drop of Geppetto no less - I find it contrived that it didn't come out that Pinocchio came through too.

The flashbacks still lack urgency for me because I know how they'll end.

Good to know that Charming's mom is dying and they had time to create a friggin' floral arch.

I continue to find the actress playing Mulan incredibly lacking.

That said, Snow kicks ass and I think Ginnifer does very good work. I totally believe her as a mother, even in these weird circumstances. And Jennifer Morrison's reactions to everything in the Enchanted Forest were hilarious. Watching her eat was fantastic. And the scene between the 2 of them at the end was great.

I also liked the subtly of the Lancelot references. Of course Lancelot du Lac would know where to find water and told a tale of a magic chalice that granted eternal life. Heh.

and shows that Charming was just trying to put Rumples off the track back in the prison when he was trying to get the name of their baby

But Snow said the sex if the baby would be a surprise, right? I don't think she told Charming until that scene with Rumple.

Edited by Gin and Tonic, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:32 PM.

[oldandnewfirm]

I remain unimpressed by the Emma and Snow in Fairy Tale World storyline. While it's mildly interesting that Cora is trying to get revenge against her daughter, I just don't find Cora compelling enough on her own to be a Big Bad. I'm much more interested in the threat presented by King George. If it turns out that he's still gunning for revenge against Charming after all this time, his attempting to hurt Henry could spark a Regina/Charming alliance-- and that I'd be very interested in seeing.

I was, unfortunately, quite bored by the flashbacks this week. And it's really a shame, because I've been looking forward to seeing Charming's mom, finding out what happened to her, ever since "The Shepherd." I'm not surprised she's dead - she wasn't at the wedding ceremony in the pilot.

The Snow/Charming flashbacks have always lacked interest for me because we already know how their story ends. Backtracking through their history feels tedious instead of revealing.

Edited by oldandnewfirm, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:27 PM.

[WestCar20]

I hope Lancelot is still around somewhere.
I still hate Mulan. Aurora is still pointless to me.
I can't wait to see Cora in Storybrooke. Maybe that's who King George was in love with.
Charming broke someone's neck with his bare hands. I love it. I also love the dynamic bereeen him and his grandson.
Overall, I had a blast watching this episode.

[jennifda]

I can't wait to see Cora in Storybrooke. Maybe that's who King George was in love with

Yes, as soon as he started talking about his past to Snow, I started thinking "Regina has a brother! Sorta."

[irisheyes]

Cora and King George in Storybrooke. This could get interesting.

Loved Emma's looks in this episode. I think she's still thinking that this is all a bad dream she's going to wake up from. I mean, it's been four days or so since she figured it all out?

[jbserver]

Mulan...Boring. Aurora...Stupid. Lancelot...Dead. Here's hoping Captain Hook works out better than the other newbies.
The regulars continue to amaze, though. The scenes between Emma and Snow were awesome, and I can't wait to see how it plays out now that they're together and starting to bond.

[Dani-Ellie]

Henry bouncing around between Operation Scorpion and Operation Viper cracked me up. I flippin' love that kid. Also love his sneaking around in an attempt to do something and not just sit on the sidelines and wait for the grownups to fix things.

That last whole bit with Snow and Emma made me cry. Like, full-on tears running down my cheeks. It was just such a beautiful moment with Emma realizing that her parents' decision to send her away was made out of such a powerful love that they sacrificed everything just to give her some semblance of a life. Just lovely.

And was it ever made clear when exactly Snow White learned that Charming wasn't George's son?

George told her himself when she was caught in the castle in "7:15 AM." He told her he would kill Charming if she didn't tell him she didn't love him. When she expressed surprise that he would kill his own son, he said, "He's not my son."

Edited by Dani-Ellie, Oct 14, 2012 @ 8:36 PM.

[thuganomics85]

Awesome, I was kind of wondering what happened to King George in Storybrooke. I remember already being there as the prosecutor when Mary/Snow was being framed, but I was wondering if there will be any fallout from him getting his memory back. So, I'm glad it seems he will have some part in this season. Kind of scared to, since I'm really think he might be even more evil then Regina at times. But I think Cora might still have both of them beat.

Emma and Aurora seem to be battling out over who would annoy me the most this episode, but at least Emma has the excuse, being a fish out of water. Aurora though, is just an immature dumbass. At least she made me appreciate Mulan for the first time. Oh, and showed how awesome and badass Snow is. Only thing missing from her killing the ogre was quoting Molly Weasley's "Not my daughter, you bitch!" Love Ginnfer Goodwin.

The flashback plot was predictable, but I was able to go with it. While it sucks what happened to Charming's mom, all of it could have been avoided if she just stayed inside. Charming seem to have no problems handling all those fools.

I hope Lancelot isn't really dead. I liked him.

Man, next episode really looks good. Curious to see what Captain Hooks brings to table, especially since it looks like Rumpel will be involved in his story.