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[TWoP Tennison]

Miami Metro sets out to unearth new evidence on a claim from a local convict that he has new information regarding a 15-year-old crime spree; Debra tries to cure Dexter of his killer tendencies.

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[ThatPoshGirl]

So, Deb wants to cure Dexter. I guess that makes sense.

Louis is a problem that is not going to go away that easily. What I don't understand is why Dexter didn't just say he could be in his house? It seems reasonable for someone to not want a strange man around their child. Also, if he really wants to get rid of him, he could probably drop some hints to Batista about him being into weird stuff and let Batista take care of him.

The ice cream looked really good.

[Blue32]

Dexter's "half-measure" for dealing with Louis--leaving him out on a park bench in the middle of nowhere--cracked me up. I was pretty shocked that he managed not to go through with it after all; I figured he was just bullshitting Deb and would dispose of Louis the minute he got her to leave him alone.

The writers are really not backing off Dexter/Deb weirdness anytime soon, are they? Deb saying that she loved Dexter "more than [he] will ever fucking know," Dexter's crack about Deb having a big enough shower when she insists that they're going to do everything together, Wayne Randall mistaking Deb and Dexter for a couple...I thought they would slam the door on it with the reveal about Dexter, but apparently not.

The ice cream looked really good.

Yeah, I could go for a Frosty Swirl after that episode. (What was the "orange" part of the swirl? Orange? Peach?)

Edited by Blue32, Oct 7, 2012 @ 9:22 PM.

[hadapurpura]

Dex didn't kill Louis 'cause he promised Deb!!! Aww!!!

I wept for that ice cream. Is Harrison a prop or what?

Wayne Randall mistaking Deb and Dexter for a couple...

And then comparing them to his ex-girlfriend and himself. Not that I'm complaining.

Edited by hadapurpura, Oct 7, 2012 @ 9:25 PM.

[ECAmber]

Well... I'm not a fan of the "Deb is going to fix Dexter" line. It doesn't feel right... she went from really nailing that sense of surreal, out of control hysteria... to making spaghetti, what? The very next night?? Unreasonable and pulled me out of what was otherwise really engaging tv!!

I'm enjoying the thing with Louis more than I thought. Couple reasons why. Dexter now has to deal with a potential adversary without actually killing him. The tension, cat and mouse game is less sinister, but fun because now it might get more creative... and the weird clips we see of him, my curiosity is piqued. He comes off as a nice boyfriend with a great pad and a cool career path... and a weird collector trying to market a video game that by all accounts sucks... AND a guy who video blogs with a hooker out of sight, making her be his audience until she performs off camera - AND HE KEEPS BLOGGING! And did I miss an explanation for the level of depraved humility he wants to visit on Dexter?? What did Dexter to do arouse this kind of multi-faceted mind fuck he's attempting to perform??


The LaGuerta makes me hope that we are witnessing a well paced, slow burn, blind side right into another exposure from her.

[LIamsmom617]

OK, still loving the season, BUT....is it too much to ask that we're let in on what the fuck Dexter told Harrison's babysitter (I'm blanking out on her name?) about why he fucking lives at Deb's apartment now? Maybe I just missed it...Anyone?
I was hoping Dex was gonna kill Louis as soon as Deb's back was turned. I mean, didn't he get the "homicidal" expression as soon as Deb walked away?
Still loving it though.

[hadapurpura]

When Dex said he'd never be normal and Deb replied "none of ous are", I wonder if she'll embrace her dark side anytime soon.

[bcharmer]

A few nitpicks. Isaak stabs a guy in the eye at close range, and there is no blood spatter, but Dexter gets blood spatter on his face from an impact several yards away (yet nary a drop on his shirt or pants)? Also, how can Wayne run so fast in chains? Why could we not see the body under the truck? That huge long blood smear on the street meant the body was not thrown, but dragged. Yet, his body wasn't visible.

Edited by bcharmer, Oct 7, 2012 @ 10:16 PM.

[Dougrhon]

If Dexter was planning to kill Louis after all why would he call Deb to alert her after he drugged her so he could get away? Obviously he is trying to do it her way.

[hadapurpura]

If Dexter was planning to kill Louis after all why would he call Deb to alert her after he drugged her so he could get away? Obviously he is trying to do it her way.

I think so too. Debra's being really gullible, but mad props to her because she's made mode progress with him than I ever thought she would. She's lucky.

[StinkPill]

Quinn looks like he is on death's door. He really looks like hell. I worry about the actor.

[lovinbob]

OK, still loving the season, BUT....is it too much to ask that we're let in on what the fuck Dexter told Harrison's babysitter (I'm blanking out on her name?) about why he fucking lives at Deb's apartment now? Maybe I just missed it...Anyone?

I normally try not to get distracted by things like that, but this time it really bugged. I just wanted Dex or Deb to give a hint that it sucks that he and Harrison were separated. That Harrison has not even been discussed in relation to Deb's discovery of Dexter's secret pisses me off. I would imagine her concern for her nephew would be high on the list of reasons why the whole situation is fucked up.

Edited by lovinbob, Oct 7, 2012 @ 10:49 PM.

[ThatPoshGirl]

I think they missed some good opportunities re Trinity. I expected Deb to ask Dexter if he killed Rita. I also wonder how Deb would have reacted to know that Dexter killed Trinity, who killed Lundy.

[chants]

I think they missed some good opportunities re Trinity. I expected Deb to ask Dexter if he killed Rita. I also wonder how Deb would have reacted to know that Dexter killed Trinity, who killed Lundy.

I was waiting for Deb to ask about Rita too, and then to get into Trinity. Hopefully they will have that discussion.

Except, Trinity didn't kill Lundy, Christine did. Granted, she was Trinity's daughter. But she shot Lundy and Deb.

[Scinovium]

Yeah, I could go for a Frosty Swirl after that episode. (What was the "orange" part of the swirl? Orange? Peach?)

Caramel? I like to think it's the true color of the Dark Passenger when exposed to sunlight. Smells good, rots your teeth, makes you fat.

[purplebubbles]

The villains for this season once again look boring and rather disappointing. I have hope for Yvonne Strahovski's character though, hopefully she'll bring something interesting to the table... no puns intended.

Loved the Deb/Dex scenes, especially the last one. Deb got a good look at one of Dexter's potential futures. I do hope she'll keep asking more questions, like how he managed to stay married to Rita, his relationship with Lumen and so on. I think at the moment she's still in shock and trying to process all the information.

Quinn looks like he is on death's door. He really looks like hell. I worry about the actor.

It does look like he's on meth or something. The actor used to be so good looking. Very sad.

[Pico]

Interesting episode. Not much happened but it had enough character building. Not getting rid of tha intern is definitely gonna come back and bite dexter in the ass. Likely though either Harris or Deb. Bad move dex

[braggtastic]

Dexter drugs Deb & leaves Harrison at home with only her?

What would be wrong about Dexter telling the babysitter no visitors while you're watching my kid, including boyfriends? It is really unprofessional (and not too believable) that he's always there.

And something I've been meaning to post about for a long time - what is with Dexter's pastel pink lip color? It's most obvious in night scenes & when he's wearing a pink shirt, both of which happened during this episode. I've seen Michael C Hall on plenty of talk shows, and he doesn't appear to have this affliction then, so it must be something the makeup department is doing to him for some reason, but why?

Edited by braggtastic, Oct 8, 2012 @ 9:31 AM.

[SHOgirl]

Well... I'm not a fan of the "Deb is going to fix Dexter" line. It doesn't feel right... she went from really nailing that sense of surreal, out of control hysteria... to making spaghetti, what? The very next night?? Unreasonable and pulled me out of what was otherwise really engaging tv!!

I didn't find it all that unreasonable. I think this demonstrates how resilient some people are when faced with situations beyond their control. I thought it very realistic, but I'm like that too. My first husband was hit by a car and killed and, while there were about 5 minutes of out-of-control hysterics, I just wanted my life and my child's life to get to whatever our new normal was going to be as quickly as possible. It happened. It was beyond my control. Now let's move on. Some people cry and grieve for years; some people take a more "it is what it is now how am I going to handle it?" approach.

[Scinovium]

And something I've been meaning to post about for a long time - what is with Dexter's pastel pink lip color? It's most obvious in night scenes & when he's wearing a pink shirt, both of which happened during this episode. I've seen Michael C Hall on plenty of talk shows, and he doesn't appear to have this affliction then, so it must be something the makeup department is doing to him for some reason, but why?

It's the mark of Cain. It's God's way of letting the rest of the universe know that Dexter is different from the rest of the other.

The attention to detail on this show continues to impress me. In the scene where Deb vomits, she vomited the right amount for a person of her size. In lesser drama, they would use this opportunity to go over the top in terms of volume. I commend the writers on keeping it real and thereby retaining the dramatic realism of the scene.

[SydNC]

I have a huge problem with LaGuerta, she is fucking up big time. Few seasons ago, she had potential evidence that could have cleared Doakes, or at least altered the course of the investigation, but Lundy refused to look at it because of all her earlier shenanigans. She is doing it again! She has a blood slide reminiscient of the Bay Harbor Butcher. This evidence isn't a smoking gun of Doakes's innocence, copy cats do exist, but it is substantial enough I think to make everyone take notice and question the fate of Doakes. So what does she do? She takes the slide on her own, breaking chain of custody, and performing her own private investigation... the same thing she did last time which made the evidence she did find worthless.

And I also agree with the complaints on how they are handling Harrison. Does Jamie just live at Dexter's now and watch him 24/7? I thought she was going to school... who watches Harrison all the time?

And Lewis... loving it!!! I get he is crazy, and the 5 years spent on his game only to be rejected could make him snap. But what was his initial obsession with Dexter to begin with? Was he in cahoots with Ryan so he could get the hand? Lewis has to know about Dexter, otherwise the hand sending makes NO sense.

Gonna be a great season!

[kiki38]

So let me get this straight: The intern is all bunged up because Dex dissed his video game? THAT is the reason his panties are in a twist? Oh come ON!!!!!

Props to the artistic director: Dex talking about his dark passenger whilst eating spaghetti just looked EEEWWWWWWW!!!!

I wonder if La Querta actually suspects someone in the department, or is just trying to clear Doakes? I don't get the feeling she's onto Dexter just yet, but it sure seems like her days are gonna be fewer in number the farther down the rabbit hole she goes.

[SydNC]

It's the mark of Cain. It's God's way of letting the rest of the universe know that Dexter is different from the rest of the other.

I like that interpretation, as the mark of Cain was a curse from god for killing his brother, and we all know Dexter killed his brother. But the bible never specifically mentions what the mark of Cain actually is.

I wonder if La Querta actually suspects someone in the department, or is just trying to clear Doakes? I don't get the feeling she's onto Dexter just yet, but it sure seems like her days are gonna be fewer in number the farther down the rabbit hole she goes.

I think her first goal is to clear Doakes. At some point, I think she would almost have to think it is someone in the department. The existence of the slide says two things. Doakes didn't do it and the real Bay Harbor Butcher is still out there, or that Doakes did do it and there is a copy cat killer.

In the case that the BHB is still out there, she will begin to question why Doakes didn't bring the slides in to the department instead of doing his own test. The obvious conclusion is that he didn't trust the department. This should lead her to believe someone in the department was involved, and all signs of Doakes's behavior points to it being Dexter.

For there to be a copy cat killer, the existence of the blood slides would have to have been released by the department. I dunno if they ever did that though, but it seems like the kind of detail that would never be released. In that scenario, the culprit would have to be someone from the department.

Edited by SydNC, Oct 8, 2012 @ 10:18 AM.

[LevitateMe]

While I too suspend many normal laws of reality/logistics for this show, because you do have to, both Mr. LevitateMe and I were like, so, where the fuck is Harrison? for the first 20 minutes or so. By the time Deb mentioned visiting him, we had already figured that in Dexterverse of course Jaime is available to move in full time on a seconds notice (and Dexter can afford that). So... already one plot hole that removed me from the show wondering who the hell was taking care of his kid.

But that aside. The discussions btwn Deb and Dex were great. Did he actually admit to being the BHB-- I will need to rewatch, I couldn't tell, but damn those were talks I've been waiting for a long time. When he stood against the door and tried to explain it ("you gave it a fucking name?") it was excrutiating and heartbreaking and amazing all at once. When Deb squared off and punched him that was a long time coming too. When he listed who he killed I too was wondering would he go there with some of the big ones that she too knows (namely Trinity but also the merry band of rapists from S5) but I think they are going to have to wait a little longer in the season to go there, because I have to imagine there will be repercussions when she finds out that his addiction does impact innocent people, including his now-dead wife and (technically) 3 kids growing up without a mother. I thought her reaction was believable, actually. If someone you love has such a major problem its natural human instinct to want to define it (it's like an addiction) and control it ("Deb rehab"). But some problems are bigger than that... and I just can't see Deb Rehab being an actual solution, but I totally understand why she would think this is the way to go, so she can sleep at night despite not turning him in, and is hoping that this will actually do some good. But I'm too cynical to believe it has any chance at working. I do however love the choice to have Deb angry with Harry for telling Dexter this is the only way he can possibly exist.

Glad others are too noticing that Quinn looks like he's @ death's door. He has not looked right since S5 but its gotten even worse here. And please tell me he's alive and Mike's dead for reasons greater than some stupid stripper subplot.

Louis... ok.... wow. I was not expecting so much of him so early. I do not believe this is truly about his game. The performance he gave @ Dexter's apartment after Dexter confronted him in his tells me Louis is about way more than that and more formidable than he seems. Dexter I think will soon experience the familiar feeling of wishing he had taken care of Louis when he had the chance. I really, truly was impressed by him stopping and calling Deb rather than taking care of it-- it reminded me a bit of Lila in S2 but his motivations were more pure-- but still feel like leaving Louis alive is a huge mistake. I just can't figure out what the guy's deal is and why exactly he is so fascinated with Dexter... but I can't imagine the nanny's lifespan is without peril because that would sure be a way to hit him where it hurts (again I cannot see anything happening to Harrison but maybe I'm wrong). Also I would be terrified if I was going up against someone who was capable of putting the kinds of things on other people's computers that Louis supposedly has done... Dexter, don't be a moron here, rehab didn't work before in case you have forgotten the valiant efforts of Lilaaaaahhh.

I thought it was interesting having Dexter ask the death row guy if he had grown a conscience... only to find out that in fact probably not, he just wanted to be outside and get some yummy ice cream before the end. Now Dexter we know already does have a conscience.... a small one but still... but I couldn't help but wonder if all those scenes Dexter was imagining what it would be like to be the inmate. He had to be.

Oh while ITA that LaGuerta's police methods continue to leave basically everything to be desired, we did get a picture of Doakes and a clear indication that there will be a relook into the BHB case... SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER!

[Bookface]

I have mixed feelings about this episode in general, but Dexter shoving Lewis up against the fridge (travelling the whole length of the room) and then actually holding him up by his neck was totally fucking awesome. "Lab geek my ass" indeed.

And yeah, Dexter should just make it clear to Jamie that he doesn't want Lewis in his house. While people might wonder what Dex's problem is, everyone would still respect the right of a parent to chose who his child is exposed to.

Edited by Bookface, Oct 8, 2012 @ 10:43 AM.

[MamaBird]

"I was about to blow you."
"Not necessary!"

Oh, Masuka.

This is shaping up to be a very interesting season! Dex has always taken for granted that Harry was right; that there was no way to stop himself from killing, and the only hope was to limit it with the Code. Deb now challenges that whole theory - and Dex is willing to try it her way. And the annoying intern survived a trip in the back of Dex's SUV, so who knows? Maybe she's right.

[Blue32]

I just can't see Deb Rehab being an actual solution

Neither did she, at least until Dexter called her. I think she knows that this is a crappy stopgap measure--she told Dexter after he called her that she didn't think it would work until he called her, she mutters to herself "What the fuck am I doing here?"--but that this is the only way she can reconcile her love for Dexter with her sense of right and wrong: stop Dexter from killing, but protect him from the authorities. She's desperate to believe that Dexter can stop killing, because if he can't, then she's going to have to choose once and for all between her love for Dexter and doing what's right, and she wants to avoid that choice at all costs. Serial Killer Rehab allows her to delay making that choice between going "all in" with Dexter--allowing him to continue killing--or "all in" with the law (turning Dexter in). If it came down to it, though, even if she learns everything about Dexter and even if she concludes that he is completely beyond help and beyond saving, I think she would make the same choice she impulsively made in 7x01 when she chose to cover up Travis Marshall's murder.

Several have observed--even MCH--that the series works the best when Dexter is in hot water, and the first two episodes have set up threats from multiple people. Laguerta has confirmed that the blood slide contained Travis Marshall's blood and will do whatever she can to exonerate Doakes. Louis has it out for Dexter, has subtly threatened Harrison (oh, hell no) and is not cowed at all by his threats. Isaak is trying to find out the truth about Victor, whom Dexter offed in the premiere. And Deb could change her mind at any moment about whether Dexter is beyond help. It's going to be exciting.

I do however love the choice to have Deb angry with Harry for telling Dexter this is the only way he can possibly exist.

It was oddly satisfying to have Deb tell Dexter "[Harry] fucked up." Yes! Yes, he did. Harry also told Dexter (or implied) in the flashback in 7x01 that if Deb found out the truth about him, she wouldn't love him anymore, and she confirmed this episode that that wasn't the case, so suck it, Harry.

One thing I liked was the way both Doakes and Deb, when they found out the truth about Dexter, were reduced to "Jesus fucking Christ" and calling Dexter a "sick fuck."

Edited by Blue32, Oct 8, 2012 @ 11:28 AM.

[toolazy]

Who is the actor that played Wayne Randall? My google-fu is apparently lacking because I can't find it anywhere.

[brothertonbanks]

So far in this season, it's been mostly about Deb and Dex, but Gedrick and Stevenson aren't there for nothing. One of them is bound to end up on the slab, unless they're going to carry over to the following year, or one of them actually ends Dexter. The guy getting hit by the truck seemed like a foreshadowing of what could happen later.

Harrison is just an extra now. It's a long way from family times with Rita. MCH and JC are great to watch together. Dex has to determine how much he's willing to lie to Deb. If they're going to drag out the information about past cases, it would make the show self-referential enough to look like a final season.

I don't care much about LaGuerta and her slide, the strip club and the other cops. Matsuka and Louis are more interesting. Louis just got way more interesting.

[DrLar]

I'm surprised Quinn didn't take the stripper to bed on that ride home he gave her... she fully suggested it but Quinn kept his calm (whut?)

Also why Dexter just didn't tell Deb he killed Viktor, who's Mike's killer, so she doesn't worry about it too much... now she's wasting depts' time and money hunting him..

Or another rule: Dexter, please tell me if you killed someone recently that's an open case so I can manage it better...

But then Trinity would come to life and she will realized that was Dexter's fault that Rita was killed by trying to be friends with Trinity..