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[TWoP Tennison]

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Regina continues to seek a way to regain her powers; David continues his quest to find Mary Margaret and Emma; the seven dwarves discover what happens when one of the townspeople tries to leave Storybrooke's city limits.

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Edited by TWoP Tennison, Oct 6, 2012 @ 2:36 PM.
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[dizzyd]

Loved the interaction between Charming and Gold. Nice deal. And I actually felt bad for Gold not being able to leave Storybrooke to find his son. But the leaving town curse was obviously different before the spell was broken and he apparently was able to leave to procure Henry for Regina, right? I blame him for creating evil Regina though among other things.

I just knew Cora would be in the realm that Aurora and Mulan live in.

Love Ruby.

I hope Henry doesn't become like Regina. I know he doesn't want to but she didn't want to be like her mom either. Make the right choices Henry.

Edited by dizzyd, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:06 PM.

[djsunyc]

This was a very very very well written episode. So did we get confirmation that Cora is indeed the Queen of Hearts?

[prodigalchicken]

Hmmm. . .where did August/Pinnochio go? I am really liking Charming as grandpa to Henry. It was also nice to see Regina before she was evil again.

[Chicken Wing]

So did we get confirmation that Cora is indeed the Queen of Hearts?

I don't think so. At most I think Rumpelstiltskin inferred that she was the miller's daughter from the real fairytale, but it was still fairly vague.

[Snapple12]

I think I loved almost everything about this episode. I especially liked the scene with Regina and Henry where she told him she wants to be redeemed.

So did we get confirmation that Cora is indeed the Queen of Hearts?

I was wondering if she is because of the heart on her spell book but I don't think we got any confirmation.

Edited by Snapple12, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:07 PM.

[PBJ Rocks]

I LOVE where this is going: grandfather bonding with grandson; mother and daughter together. But how long will this thing with Regina last? I don't see her 'redeeming' herself for too many epis. And a pissed-off Rumpelstiltskin? Looks like he didn't anticipate not being able to leave. Makes me think he knew nothing about that.

[Senna]

Leaving Storybrooke = losing all memories of the Enchanted Forest, eh? I foresee some dramatic crossings of that line in the future (Mr. Gold? -- he was standing there at the end -- Regina, looking for redemption?) It felt weird for so many townspeople to be gathering there, though. I wouldn't think Geppetto especially would want to leave the town.

David/Charming got on my nerves a bit this episode. Sure, David's part of him, but ... especially the way he reacted to Jefferson rubbed me the wrong way.

As for Regina, it was nice to see some more humanity out of her. Whether or not she can be redeemed, I'm not sure. I really loved seeing innocent!Regina interacting with Rumpel.

And Cora! Oh, dear.

EDIT: For *Geppetto's* name. Heh, can't spell!

Edited by Senna, Oct 7, 2012 @ 10:11 PM.

[Last Time Lord]

Poor Sneezy :(

Hated not seeing what happened to Snow and Emma until the very end. Regina's mother is still alive, and in the same place Snow and Emma is.

I was not expecting that.

[djsunyc]

Btw, has Regina ever looked any better? Holy smokes...

Shocked at Regina's choice for redemption at the end there...but you know that can't last long...

[toddringersdry]

Like Regina was actually going to burn the spellbook. Please.

Aside from her about face regarding Henry, this might go down as one of my alltime favorite episodes. I loved that there weren't too many stories it was trying to tell at once. I loved the pacing of it. I LOVED the Regina Rumplestiltskin backstory. I loved cray-cray Hatter even though he drives me bonkers. I even loved Charming’s speech to the masses. I loved seeing the other townspeople, as brief as it was, it was marvelous:

“It’s off to work we go.”

[Jupiter84]

Loved this episode, it seems like the writers were trying to answer/explain as many things as they could about Storybrooke and the curse etc. Little disappointed no Snow/Emma but the ending was great setup for next week.

[Bussy]

All last season, I said all Charming/David needed to be interesting was something to do other than obsess over Snow. Emma and Snow leaving was the best thing to happen to this show. Charming was on fire tonight. He was also pretty great last week. And now this new friendship with Henry should make him even better.

Also, stay classy, Dr. Whale. "Can the nuns date now?" I love him so much. That was my favorite part of the episode. Granny walking around with a crossbow was my second favorite.

I used to really like Leroy, but he was a bit of a dick, forcing Sneezy to go, and knowing something bad might happen.

I like that Megan Ohry has been promoted and I love Red, but somehow having her be the main organizer or whatever she was felt a bit forced. I also maybe vaguely ship Red/Charming even though I know I shouldn't.

[kennyab]

I hope Henry doesn't become like Regina. I know he doesn't want to but she didn't want to be like her mom either. Make the right choices Henry.

I'm not too worried about Henry. He's got a leg up with Emma and the Charmings. Plus, Regina actually did the right thing for the first time in forever for his sake.

I'm all for a Regina redemption story, but that was much faster than I expected, although I imagine it's going to ge an incredibly bumpy ride. I'm really glad that at the ended Charming seemed to recognize that there's something more to Regina than the Evil Queen he first met.

I have to admit, the whole magic-as-addiction thing just makes me groan. It did the first time I saw it on Buffy, and it has in every other incarnation.

So it looks like Pinocchio was de-woodified. But why on earth would he leave before being reunited with his dad? I don't really care one way or the other whether they bring back Eion Bailey back permanently or not, but I really hope this thread is resolved fairly soon.

[kcblue86]

Oh my gosh. The male Charmings were awesome tonight! Brave and standing up for everyone in Storybrooke, just like heroes are supposed to. I love that Henry wasn't just giving up. He had an escape route prepared. That kid is the best.

The Henry and Regina conversation was what I've been waiting for all year. I was so happy to see him confront her with everything she did wrong in how she treated him. My heart broke a little in that scene. I think Jared Gilmore's acting was better than last week's. Also, Henry was totally Rapunzel this week.

All the characters were great this week, minus the "Screw this, let's get outta Dodge" mentality.

[shapeshifter]

Except for Snow and Charming, what does anyone else have to gain by staying in Storybrooke over leaving?

[jessied112]

I gotta say, I felt more for Regina than I did for Rumpel/Gold, mostly for the fact that he basically helped steer her to the path of evilness and perhaps if he hadn't have shown up, a lot of her actions could have been prevented. Or, at least, her evilness could have been delayed and she may not be as evil as we know her now. So...that kind of sucks. But I actually really appreciated that Regina did let Henry go because of her realization that the book started her path (and Rumpel). It was nice to see Bailee Madison again too. I like this Regina. I know her whole character is supposed to be mostly evil, but I kind of loved Regina in her last scene, when she let Henry go. I'm kind of hoping (totally hoping, actually) that she pairs up with Charming to save Snow and Emma. Mostly for the fun of a mother/daughter reunion. It might actually set Regina back, either to her evil ways or to the young girl before she turned evil. Either way, I'd love to see which path she goes on.

I can't stress enough how much I am disliking Gold this season. He's exactly the same as last season and I didn't hate him then. But now? Just totally and utterly annoyed.

I liked Charming's speech to the town. I like seeing this side of him. He's right, though; David is weak.

I keep laughing at Dr. Whale. His line about dating nuns has continued to make me laugh.

So, where did August/Pinocchio disappear to? He's still wooden so clearly somebody took him or uncast the spell. I'd like to say that it's Jefferson, but I'm not sure of his motivations.

I feel bad, but I didn't exactly miss Snow and Emma's presence. Mostly because I was still entranced by seeing Regina's story unfold and seeing Charming and Henry work together. That's kind of bad.

[BooBear]

Aside from her about face regarding Henry, this might go down as one of my alltime favorite episodes. I loved that there weren't too many stories it was trying to tell at once.

I loved it too... although I did like Regina at least trying. And I think it is perhaps clear that it isn't really her that is evil per se, it is her and magic. Ultimately her spell blew up in her face, I like that she at least gave it some thought that perhaps, even magic, can't give her a happy ending. So she should try something else.

I really appreciated that they tried to give us something on Pinocchio -- even though obviously the actor isn't available. Where is Pinocchio going exactly?

I do think that the plot that leaving Storybrook destroys memories might be good for Regina. Maybe she would have a chance.

[rani]

I really enjoyed this episode. Not once did I feel they were just treading water, it was well paced.

Thought Charming was all kinds of wonderful, he was a lot nicer about David than I would have been.

Enjoying the screen time shared by Charming/Henry and Charming/Red. She makes a pretty decent lieutenant for Charming.


On the whole possibly one of my favourites so far. More like this please!

[aquarian1]

Also, stay classy, Dr. Whale. "Can the nuns date now?" I love him so much.

I liked that too. But it made me wonder who he could be. Is there a horny fairy tale character? I know some of the originals were much more tawdry/sexy, but they don't seem to be using those on this show.

I also didn't like Mulan and Aurora apparently just tied up Snow and Emma without talking to them. Then just threw them in jail (or whatever they called it). That doesn't seem to princess-like or lady-like or like the "good guy" fairy tale characters, in general. I'm also surprised no one recognized Snow. I know the clothes and hair are different, but still. I'm sure Cora will recognize her though, but what will she do with that info. I don't know. I also don't want them (Snow and Emma) split from the rest for long. I hope they find a way back soon.

Edited by aquarian1, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:20 PM.

[djsunyc]

I think Rumpty Rump has Pinocchio and will force Gipetto to cross the line to go look for Bae. (Since Gipetto is also looking for his son, he will be easy to manipulate).

Edited by djsunyc, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:20 PM.

[aml77]

But the leaving town curse was obviously different before the spell was broken and he apparently was able to leave to procure Henry for Regina, right?

Actually, it's never been fully explained how Regina was able to adopt Henry.

[xqueenfrostine]

Another great episode! Red and David/Charming were both awesome in this episode. I was also highly amused by Whale's inquiry over whether the nuns were still nuns or if they were available to date. I kind of love that sleezeball. And I'm glad we got confirmation regarding August/Pinochhio's current status. It really bugged me that that wasn't addressed in the premiere. I hope Geppetto finds him soon (if for no other reason than I'm dying to know how August got out of bed in his current state). It broke my heart that Geppetto was prepared to flee Storybrooke with the others before finding out who his son was.

Interesting turn of events about Storybrooke city limits (though poor Sneezy! Dick move there Grumpy!). Gold clearly wasn't expecting that, which raises a ton of questions. Such as, how did he not expect this challenge given that the curse was of his own design? And does this mean that "Mr. Gold" is a "real" curse-given identity and not just a front he maintained all this time to fool Regina into believing he was under her control?

Also, how creepy was Rumplestiltskin in his first scenes with young Regina? I think that's the creepiest he's been all series. His lines about having held Regina as a baby all but confirm that Cora was indeed the Miller's daughter from the original Rumplestiltskin tale, rather than just a daughter of a miller.

And I was NOT expecting Cora to appear at the end of the episode, especially not after she had pushed into the mirror (and presumably into Wonderland) in earlier flashbacks. That's very interesting.

Finally, it'll be interesting to see if Regina will take her cause of redemption seriously. I really liked her scenes with Henry this week, but I don't know how I feel about Regina turning good. She's a character I both love and love to hate, and I find sweet youthful Regina totally boring compared to her Evil Queen persona. I'd miss her Evil if it went away!

But the leaving town curse was obviously different before the spell was broken and he apparently was able to leave to procure Henry for Regina, right?

It's never been stated that Gold actually left Storybrooke to procure Henry, so I don't think he's ever actually left Storybrooke. I don't know how exactly he could have gotten him otherwise, but I really don't think he left. If he had that would have alerted Regina to the fact that he wasn't controlled by the curse the way everyone else was, and up until the The Thing You Love Most I don't think she suspected anything.

So did we get confirmation that Cora is indeed the Queen of Hearts?

Not confirmation, but it does add fuel to the fire of that theory. To be honest, I thought it was a dumb idea previously, but after tonight's episode I'm beginning to believe otherwise. I don't know that I like the idea of Cora being the Queen of Hearts, but I definitely think we're supposed to believe that Cora ended up in Wonderland given that she went through a mirror and Wonderland was the only doorway in Hat Trick that looked like a mirror rather than a doorway.

[Tzigone]

Lots of fun bits, but the major plot points are as follows to me:

• Neither the Blue Fairy nor Rumpelstiltskin knew crossing the border would cost their memories. Wow, talk about against Rumpelstiltskin's plan. Centuries of planning, and I think might be his first bump in the road.
• Rumpelstiltskin and Regina both knew a remnant of the Enchanted Forest remained - so she did send the wraith to them deliberately. So why wasn't it destroyed?
• Cora's still alive.
• Pinocchio is missing. Cowardly enough to run away? Wood enough to be carried out? Actually chopped into firewood? And so far, Charming still doesn't know what Geppetto did with the wardrobe and all.
• Regina might stopped doing horrible things in order to win Henry's love.

Aside from her about face regarding Henry, this might go down as one of my alltime favorite episodes.

Seriously, I totally thought she was just playing the "soft" role when she said all that to Henry. Just using a more efficient tactic to manipulate to him, to make him see better in her and love her. So was surprised with her almost-burning. Frankly, I disbelieve her on principle. And now, faced with strong (though not quite incontrovertible) evidence that she was sincere in the moment, I still don't quite believe her. I'm going by previous experience here.

I will not accept this as a path to redemption as it currently stands. It is a selfish action - it's all about getting what she wants - Henry's love/trust. She did not express that she had done a moral wrong. She offered no apologies for all the other people she hurt/killed. She did not express remorse for those deeds. She only cared about her son. It was all about what she wanted, and what she had to do to get it. It's just a deal.

All the characters were great this week, minus the "Screw this, let's get outta Dodge" mentality.

Yeah, that made no damn sense. I mean, it's very logical that a lot of people would run for it, even losing their memories. Regina is terrifying to them. I guess Jiminy can be a bit of a push-over, so I guess understand him being one of them. But the Blue Fairy - no way. And Geppetto - no way in hell. He hasn't found his son yet, and he would not lose his memories of Pinocchio. I think they were there just so we'd have characters we know on the scene, but it didn't work for me. Since I didn't notice Geppetto and the Blue Fairy getting out of luggage-laden cars, I think I'll try to believe they came here to stop people from running.

Edited by Tzigone, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:25 PM.

[Pepper the Cat]

I love Red! The way she is taking charge is amazing.
I wonder, will she become a wear wolf at the next full moon?

[Dani-Ellie]

You know, why are evil props so damn cool? Last season, I wanted one of Regina's skeleton keys. Now? I want that damn book. That thing is freakin' gorgeous. (Full disclosure: I have something of a blank book addiction and have been known to buy journals just because I think they're pretty. That said, that thing is still freakin' gorgeous and I would buy a journal that looks like it in a heartbeat.)

Love seeing Lana Parrilla and Robert Carlyle play off each other, and this ep was chock-full of Rumple/Regina goodness. I'm firmly in the "Regina's mother is the Miller's Daughter" camp and Rumple telling Regina he knew her when she was "more portable" only threw more fuel onto that fire.

Regina and Henry kind of broke my heart this episode. Like others, I'm wondering how long this little "I want to redeem myself" kick of Regina's is really going to last.

Loved Charming and Henry and Henry calling Charming "Gramps."

My heart broke when August was still all wood-ified, but his disappearance at the end gives me hope that he's okay somewhere.

Except for Snow and Charming, what does anyone else have to gain by staying in Storybrooke over leaving?

I'm thinking of it as a parallel to Grumpy telling Snow not to drink the potion. Right now, they may want to forget because remembering is painful. But their past -- good, bad, or indifferent -- makes them who they are. Choosing to forget is denying a large part of what makes them them.

[kcblue86]

I love Red! The way she is taking charge is amazing.
I wonder, will she become a wear wolf at the next full moon?

Ooh, I'm calling it: They think she won't be, and for some reason she will have to babysit Henry that night. Cue drama as they realize she is indeed going wolfy.

[Miss Muffet]

I enjoyed seeing Regina's innocence in this episode and how it relates to her first step to redemption. I bet she doesn't burn the book, though. Rumple's thirst for power and enticing Regina into that world of magic shows how vulnerable she is. Magic is like a drug in a sense, just take another hit. What harm could it do really?
Henry knows how to just go with the flow and have faith,. I like that. Granny with her crossbow... awesome! Without any law around here (or something to that effect) haha! Red was great at making Charming see the big picture.
Now Gold... I love how he can manipulate every confrontation he has to his advantage. Imagine if Charming never told him about the boundary issue? They just need to send Regina beyond the town line! Haha, that would be great!

[Freckles101]

You'd think Snow would have at least tried to tell Aurora and Mulan who she is, so I'm surprised that we didn't see that. I did get the impression that some of the villagers recognized her by their surprise when Snow and Emma were brought in, but I guess it could've been shock at their appearance? In any case, I really hope Mulan and Aurora come to their senses soon, because this is not making me like them at all.

It is a selfish action - it's all about getting what she wants - Henry's love/trust.

Exactly! While I did feel for Regina a tiny bit in this episode, the fact is that all she cares about is "redeeming" herself for what she did to Henry, not the multitude of other terrible acts she committed as the Evil Queen, so I'm not exactly rooting for her.

Edited by Freckles101, Oct 7, 2012 @ 8:29 PM.

[stopeslite]

I hate the "We don't know who you are so we'll treat you differently than we would if we did" storylines, so I hope they fix that whole problem as soon as possible. But given that the refugee center is every fable from every land possible, how many of them would know who Snow White is anyway?

I still don't quite trust that Regina was being sincere to Henry, but it would be a great storyline if she is well on the path to redemption and then runs smack into her mother.

Loved the "Ok boys, off to work we go". Hope they find fairy dust!

I wonder if August was just in the bathroom. He had been lying there a long time, after all.