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[TWoP Howard]

From TWoP and ZAP2it:

Familial and club bonds are tested by a desperate situation.

Some sort of desperate plumbing crisis, clearly.

Oh, God, I was so, so wrong.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Oct 1, 2012 @ 1:28 PM.

[Dagamuffin]

I'm speechless...

RIP, Opie.

[GloryGe]

Aww man ...

[psychoticstate]

OMG!! No!! Not Opie!

I am absolutely shocked. Clay is still alive and Opie is gone? Damn it, SOA!!

I need to regroup.

[wamboyil]

Well, now the episode title just makes me cringe...

[Nightmare Logic]

Wow, just wow.

You killed Opie...you bastards!!!

Gemma loses her shit and beats up a hooker...again! Well at least she didn’t use a skateboard. She still loves Clay. Those crazy kids!

Not sure who Jax is getting taught better from Pope or Nero. Both are teaching him but are teaching him VERY different lessons.

That promise is going to come back to haunt Tig when Jax calls for a vote to either out Clay or kill him.

PS I want that guard to die a painful death. Does that make me a bad person?

RIP Opie.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:11 PM.

[VodouDoll]

Our DVR cut out right as Jax called Tig over in the prison. What happened in the last few minutes?

[BakerX2]

I expected this; but damn....

Worse thing about this, is that by killing Opie off, Sutter's pretty much slammed the door shut on most of the plotlines of the serie that have been driving it since season one. God help us, as this means Sutter's going to have to find a way to keep the show going without one of the big plotlines they've set up over the course of the last couple of seasons.

Nice to see Tara and Wendy seeing through Gemma's shit but yeah, I wish Tara would have been less of an asshole towards Wendy. Now more than ever, she doesn't need Wendy as a potential enemy. Given the criminal background of the gang and Jax's recent prison trips, Wendy should easily be able to get custody if she tried to.

Also, Maraget's interactions was hilarious as far as her just giving up even trying to reach Tara as well as her interaction with Gemma. Which probably goes towards the issue of Tara being beyond saving and turning herself into Gemma 2.0.....

[nicole61083]

R.I.P. Opie. God, his poor kids. Who are gonna raise them now. Their mother, grandfather, and father all gone in the span of 2 years. Brutal

Edited by nicole61083, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:14 PM.

[BakerX2]

Tig is now basically Jax's personal bitch. No backtalking, no loose canon bullshit or trying to get solo revenge against Pope and most of all, Tig must vote for whatever Jax wants. No question ask.

[Nightmare Logic]

Our DVR cut out right as Jax called Tig over in the prison. What happened in the last few minutes?

Basically Jax made Tig promise to back all his plays and vote his way on all votes.


Hey wait isn't Opie supposed to be based on the only guy who lives in Hamlet?

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:20 PM.

[WatchrTina]

PS I want that guard to die a painful death. Does that make me a bad person?

No. No it doesn't.

That was horrific. But if it had been Chibs, I would be DONE with this show.

Oh, and I hate Gemma. And Clay. And Tig. And Juice is a fucking moron.

Yeah, I'm pretty much left with only Chibs to love.

Edited by WatchrTina, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:28 PM.

[rippleintime]

Man, that was pretty brutal. Even if he didn't have a direct hand in how exactly it went down, Pope punishment really gets off on making people WATCH, doesn't it?

So many interesting dynamics opening up now. Jax has no reason to feel obligated to keep Tig alive, so there has to be an endgame in mind with that play. Maybe before his own best friend was killed indirectly because of Tig, but now? I'm sure Jax is not going to hand Pope what he wants but he's not going to protect Tig just out of spite. The final scene actually made me think "well, he IS Gemma's son."

Speaking of, Gemma is getting ridiculous. She's almost a caricature of herself at the moment. I don't think she's had a line that hasn't been a lie, dripping with disdain, a manipulation or not self-serving this season yet. Eventually, I'd like to see her vulnerability back.

I missed a little of what was going down at Nero's, is all this attention because of the Sons hanging around? Because that would figure.

Edited by rippleintime, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:20 PM.

[IdesOfSmarch]

Damn, if Jax wasn't emotionally broken before show, he will be now. That was beyond brutal.

Worse thing about this, is that by killing Opie off, Sutter's pretty much slammed the door shut on most of the plotlines of the serie that have been driving it since season one. God help us, as this means Sutter's going to have to find a way to keep the show going without one of the big plotlines they've set up over the course of the last couple of seasons.

Agree so much. There was so much potential for his storyline left, yet Sutter goes and kills off his whole family, save for the non-existent kids & grandma. I'm curious to hear his [bullshit] reasoning for this (and btw, I still don't buy his reasons for why he didn't kill off Clay). I couldn't even watch the whole scene, but it still made me cry. It should've been Tig.

Gemma annoys me more with each passing episode too and I hate that Tara is morphing into her (at least somewhat). I will say that this is the first time I didn't mind Wendy. Also, Happy playing with Abel was adorable.

Edited by IdesOfSmarch, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:23 PM.

[WatchrTina]

I missed a little of what was going down at Nero's, is all this attention because of the Sons hanging around?

I watched with closed captions and someone said "It must have been Emma Jean" which I took to mean that the blond that Gemma beat down ratted them out to the cops.

But what confused me was the gunshot. There was a gunshot, wasn't there? And was that Juice lying on the floor bleeding?

Edited by WatchrTina, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:24 PM.

[badhabit]

Well, the episode title now has a whole new sick significance to it.

RIP Opie.

I came into this episode knowing someone would die, and knowing there was a large chance it would be Opie. I still couldn't fully wrap my head around it though. How can Clay, Unser, Juice and company be alive while Opie is the chosen one to die? It just didn't make sense. It STILL does not make sense to me. I'm not one to complain about SOA, and really even find too many issues. I love the show. I accept it's imperfections. Tonight though... It just felt wrong. I actually screamed out. I cried for a good 10 minutes after. It was brutal. Awful. Way too much to watch. So, RIP Opie, I feel like we barely even scratched the surface of your journey.

Moving on... I liked the episode. I actually think it's one of the strongest episodes SOA has ever had. Not my favorite, but it felt like it was working on all levels. It was too intense. Too scary. Too hurtful. That's good TV though, and when I watch SOA I expect to feel this way. I just didn't expect to feel SO MUCH tonight.

The Gemma/Tara/Wendy subplot is really working for me. I absolutely hated Gemma going to Wendy for so many reasons. First, it's so un-Gemma like. It's dumb to go to Wendy like this, tell lies about Tara being hopped up on pills, and expect that Tara and Jax won't find out. Of course they will find out, and it will only drive a further wedge. In fact, Gemma is pretty much giving Tara free reign to cut her out of those kids lives, because when Jax finds out about this BS he will back Tara 100%, especially where his headspace is now. Second, Gemma has always been about family love and loyalty. She loves Tara, the boys and Jax. They're basically all she has. This move bringing Wendy in will ultimately only hurt that family unit, with Abel probably being the one most stuck. Watching this play out, I just couldn't figure out what Gemma expected to get from this. The Gemma/Tara scene laid it out though, and made me feel marginally better. Gemma never intended for Wendy to get Abel. I think she only wanted Wendy to go to Tara so Tara would then return to Gemma needing help, and Gemma could step in once more and fight big bad Wendy off. It was the perfect set up. It backfired like all things have on Gemma lately though, and Tara owned Gemma in that scene. There's a lot of love, but a lot of anger not quickly fading either.

Onto Wendy, I don't hate her. I just don't sympathize. Tara has been Abel's mother from the word go. She raised the kid while Wendy was busy doing her own thing, and dropping her drug habit. Good on Wendy for kicking it, but who is to say she won't be back to it in a few months or a year? I don't think Wendy is a stable enough personality, and I don't trust her with Abel. I think she loves the idea of him, but she's never been around for the day to day. And I have to say Tara smacking Wendy down at the end was a thing to behold. Queen Tara has arrived.

Clay/Gemma is just... It's hard for me to watch him at this point. I especially hated Gemma going psycho on the Disney hooker. Juice was amusing this episode though, so there was a bonus to that stuff. Still, I could have taken or left all those scenes. It just didn't hold up to the rest of the ep.

Speaking of Juice, I get the feeling Nero and his woman are running this con on the Sons together, and she's pissed he's sleeping with Gemma to get it done. It was just something about the way she was throwing Juice in his face, and how she called Gemma down there to start trouble.

Pope is beyond scary. He's smart. He recognizes something in Jax, and he's playing with it. Still, he needs to die bloody and brutal. He already got his eye for an eye. He could have Tig if he wanted. What he did there, taking the money, having Opie killed... Just not. I need him dead, and I have a feeling Jax will be the one doling out the vengeance as he does exactly what Pope predicted, become the ultimate king.

I don't feel sorry for Tig anymore. He and Clay set all this into motion, and Opie is now dead. I'm glad Jax is saying to hell with him, and using him for his own gains. This new focused Jax is terrifying. When he told that guard he would be killing him, and then later calmly told Chibs to get the intel... I loved it. Maybe it's my own anger at watching Opie die, but I want to see it get messy for the people who put this in motion. Tig. Clay. Pope. Whoever else. This is Jax's journey.

The one small moment of peace was Jax calling home. The relief on Tara's face was beautiful, the calm before the storm of what is to come. I feel like they're sliding further and further away from Jax loving the club to him really only having his family. That's it for him now, and I like seeing it paid more attention. Also, loved Happy playing with Abel, and Bobby hanging with Tara and Thomas. Love the club/family integration going on.

I'll go back to crying over Opie now...:(

[momallrat]

I...can't...even

Opie was not even on my list for possible deaths. I was shocked. What about his kids?

Jax is finally getting the message that being the king is harder than it looked. That guard's death is going to be the stuff of nightmares.

Also, Jax just won the game. With Tig backing Jax's every move, Clay just lost his largest remaining piece in the chess match.

Edited by momallrat, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:40 PM.

[BakerX2]

That was horrific. But if it had been Chibs, I would be DONE with this show.

Actually Chibs would have been the better pick to kill off. His storylines are all wrapped up and him sacrificing himself would make a far far far better moment since Opie had TONS of storyline potential that was left untouched. Plus it would hurt Jax even moreso than Opie, since there is no strained relationship between the two.

[dirtyblonde]

I am devastated...Opie has been my favorite since S1 and I thought that there was no way he would be killed off with all the dramatic possibilities for his character. I posted on Twitter that I was very upset with Sutter but I will watch SOA until the end...I just want it to be worth it. I'm dying to hear the reasoning behind killing Opie. Ryan Hurst has been phenomenal and I am anxious to see him get some good roles very soon. RIP Ope :(

[BakerX2]

I came into this episode knowing someone would die, and knowing there was a large chance it would be Opie. I still couldn't fully wrap my head around it though. How can Clay, Unser, Juice and company be alive while Opie is the chosen one to die?

For what it's worth, Opie was always doomed in a sense. He was supposed to have died at the end of season one but fan response/Ryan Hurst proved to be a decent enough actor that they killed off Donna instead.

[JWo]

I covered my eyes and cried like a baby - ugly cry - for about 20 minutes. Like a certain episode in season 5 of The Wire where a beloved character died, I will NEVER watch this episode again. I suspected this would happen once Pope made his demand but I was in denial right up until the moment it happened. I want to watch that guard die a slow, excruciating death - no off screen comeuppance. That's an episode I will watch repeatedly, much like the one when Stahl got hers. I'd like to see Pope die onscreen too but I can't imagine how they'd ever take him down.

Edited by JWo, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:34 PM.

[spaceytraci17]

My Opie died before he got to kick all the ass he deserved to. He earned the right to exact true revenge for Donna and Piney (he got a little with Stahl I guess). I haven't exactly been excited for this show lately, now I'm not sure I have much motivation to see the it through to the end...I don't really care too much what happens to anyone else.

[WatchrTina]

Plus it would hurt Jax even moreso than Opie, since there is no strained relationship between the two

I have to disagree with you there. I can't see how Chib's dying would mess Jax up more than the death of his best friend -- a man he's been lying to (lies of omission, lies of commission) for ages! And then 10 minutes after finally coming clean, he has to watch him get beaten to death -- sacrificing himself in place of Jax (who I presume was just about to name himself to take the beating/execution.) No, I think Opie's death is pretty much the death-most-likely-to drive Jax 'round the bend.

[Amester0120]

I...haven't fully processed this episode. At least Opie's where he always wanted to be: with Donna. Ryan and Charlie acted the shit out of that scene.

I did love Tara smacking down Gemma, reminding her that she can expose what was in those other letters and fuck her shit up. The student has truly become the master. But I think they need to dial back on the Tara becoming Gemma thing. Not that this show has ever really been subtle and I think it works for the most part but the "darlin" she used tonight was just too much.

And Happy playing with Abel was ADORABLE.

Edited by Amester0120, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:48 PM.

[Mita_Jo]

I can not stop crying. I was spoiled and everything and it still killed me. I love Opie. I can't even deal with this, but yes, if it were Chibs, I don't think I would have been able to take it. Shit, I can't take seeing Opie die. This damn show!

There was a gunshot, wasn't there? And was that Juice lying on the floor bleeding?

It better not be!

I covered my eyes and cried like a baby - ugly cry - for about 20 minutes.

ME TOO!

Edited by Mita_Jo, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:49 PM.

[bluenote123]

Onto Wendy, I don't hate her. I just don't sympathize. Tara has been Abel's mother from the word go. She raised the kid while Wendy was busy doing her own thing, and dropping her drug habit. Good on Wendy for kicking it, but who is to say she won't be back to it in a few months or a year? I don't think Wendy is a stable enough personality, and I don't trust her with Abel. I think she loves the idea of him, but she's never been around for the day to day. And I have to say Tara smacking Wendy down at the end was a thing to behold. Queen Tara has arrived.

I actually do feel sorry for Wendy. She doesn't want custody; she wants visitation rights. But all of these people - Tara included - are dangerous hoodrats who have intimidated her so badly, she stays away and doesn't assert herself. I'm hoping she gets some cojones and sues. She might be an ex-junkie biker whore, but dad is, on paper, an ex-con, semi-employed biker who runs with a motorcycle gang that is well-known for its criminal ties. Tara might want to step off of her high horse. The case isn't the slam dunk she thinks it is.

In other news, poor Opie. Sutter's decision makes sense, though. After Donna died, Opie lived for the club, even more than his kids, and when he found out that Clay killed his dad, that was it for him. The club was home, but the club lost its way (cartel, Clay's betrayal, etc.), so Opie felt like he lost his home. Look at what he said to Jax after he explained everything - "You made the wrong choice." (Saving the club.) Opie gave up because he didn't feel like he had anything left to live for, but on his way out, he knew he could do one last selfless thing for his best friend.

Speaking of which, damn. Watching Opie die just broke Jax, and then it remade him.

Harold Perrineau is mesmerizing as Pope. He was good in Oz, but he terrifies me here. Wow.

Edited by bluenote123, Sep 25, 2012 @ 10:53 PM.

[Zycron]

Fuck.

They killed Opie.

Motherfuckers!

I can't believe this... OPIE!!! Omg. :(

Jesus. What. The. Fuck.

Opie was the only good and decent person left on the show. The moral compass. Kurt Sutter basically ripped the HEART out of Samcro.

I'm so pissed beyond belief right now.

Damn you, Sutter.

[Janie1130]

I'm a blubbering mess. I want that guard to die in a pot of boiling oil. And Pope, too.

Opie wanted to die. I could see it in his eyes. Dammit. This episode deserves an Emmy.

[badhabit]

bluenote123,

Speaking of which, damn. Watching Opie die just broke Jax, and then it remade him.

THIS. I think this sums it up perfectly. Opie dying changed Jax completely. His last words will always stick with Jax. He made the wrong choice. He should have let it die. I've always felt like that. Jax should have grabbed his family, changed identities and RUN. He now has a reason to stay though. He'll avenge Opie. I don't feel like there's much love for the club left though. Jax's future always included brotherhood and Opie by his side. That died tonight.

Re:Wendy... I completely disagree that Wendy is entitled to absolutely anything with Abel at this point. Here's Wendy's stellar contributions to motherhood. 1.) She did hard drugs her entire pregnancy and nearly killed him before he was born. He was actually born with defects, and thus had to go through many death defying surgeries; 2.) Instead of being strong for her child after she tried to kill herself; 3.) She finally comes back, but the second she sees that baby can't get her Jax back she splits again, never to be heard from for years. Now, Jax was in jail. She could have made a stink then, but did she? Nope. I give her credit for attempting to get clean and put her life back together. I even think maybe one day she could have visitation, but I don't think it's owed to her now. Above someone said Wendy was just too weak to fight back... exactly. If she's too weak to even argue with Gemma and Tara, I find it hard to believe she's going to be a strong enough person to stay sober. Bottom line I would never trust her with my kid, and I absolutely understand why Tara is fighting this. Tara stayed. Tara raised that child when no one else was around. Of course she's protective and fighting back. She's his mother for all intents and purposes, imo.

[missysimpson]

Why does Opie have to be such a martyr? He was just so hopeless. Imagine being so lost and empty that you can't even stay alive for your own children, knowing that they have lost everything. I don't know where Sutter is going with the rest of this story. I was looking forward to Opie getting his revenge on everyone at the end of this series. His character added hope and heart to the story.

Jax is officially king, and the crown is heavy. Opie was right, he picked the wrong choice. Jax should have left Charming with Tara and his sons and started over. You could tell that Jax is officially broken, and now we will see the emergence of a leader. Tig doesn't realize that Jax owns him now.

Gemma is the type of woman I can't stand. She attacks the other woman instead of confronting her man. Clay knew just how to push her buttons.

I can't make myself care about Wendy right now.

I'm slowly losing interest in Tara. She essentially put her love for Jax over the safety and well-being of her children. No penis is worth your life.



~~~Side note: Prison is scary.