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[TWoP Tennison]

Zap2it:
As fairytale characters awaken from Queen Regina's curse, they are not transported back to their home; Prince Phillip and his traveling companion realize they will be facing a deadly foe.

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Edited by TWoP Tennison, Oct 1, 2012 @ 4:40 PM.

[IvyDarling]

So, did anyone else think of the Dementors from Harry Potter when they saw the Wraith?

Shallowly, seeing Gold kiss Belle was like seeing a dad kiss his daughter.

Great premiere, I interested in seeing how Snow and Emma deal with being in the other world.

Edited by IvyDarling, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:01 PM.

[callietwo]

I guess they set it up well for the season itself, but overall and in general, I found this episode somewhat disappointing? Maybe I just expected too much.

[Chicken Wing]

David/Charming leaping over the railing and falling flat on his face on the floor will never not be the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[rtms]

Soooo... The Blue Fairy Remember in the Pinocchio ep when the Blue Fairy was all distracted and said they had to prepare before the curse struck? Yea given the explanation Mulan told Aurora I think she was the reason the fairies were distracted. They were protecting the girl, honoring their wishes they made when she was born.

[Senna]

Where to start? There was a lot to take in this episode. I didn't love all of it (the wraith looked like a Halloween decoration), but there was plenty of good (loved seeing Emma and Regina kind of working together, same for Mulan and Sleeping Beauty; I'm looking forward to more of them), and I'm intrigued to see what this season has to bring.

The guy in the city at the beginning was Prince Philip ... right? That brings up a whole lot of questions!

[mustbekarma]

I thought this was freaking awesome, and a great setup for the rest of the season. It makes sense to me. Regina cursed the Fairy Tale Land and ripped practically everyone from it. Just because Emma broke the curse in Storybrooke doesn't meant the job's done. I swear, I think Gold knew exactly what he was doing, that getting Emma and Snow to Fairy Tale Land would be necessary to break the curse there, too.

I just loved this episode so very much, and I can't even think of a favorite part. Oh yeah, it was the final scene with me getting to think that Mulan, Aurora, Snow, and Emma were so going to kick some ass.

[TheWereCow]

IvyDarling, I thought the same thing: That's just what OUaT needs. Dementors.

I liked it, overall. I do hope that Emma jump-starting Regina's powers is just a temporary thing. Like maybe she blasts a few people and ties a few up in vines and then her tank runs dry.

Anyone else think our Mystery Man is Bae?

Edited by TWoP Tennison, Oct 1, 2012 @ 4:17 PM.
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[kcblue86]

So, did anyone else think of the Dementors from Harry Potter when they saw the Wraith?

Well, the storybook is like a thousand years old. It still refers to dementors as ringwraiths.

[Deanie87]

I can't take Emma's long, stringy hair for a full season! Please let her cut it or I may be posting on the "Strange Reasons for Giving Up a Show" thread very soon.

I still find Mr. gold attractive, so that's good. I guess?

Edited by Deanie87, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:07 PM.

[surfer]

I think the Snow/Ruby reunion affected me more than Emma and her parents.

And I guess Mulan's hair proves that there are indeed bumpits in fairy tale land.

The guy at the start is totally Baelfire. Or Henry's dad. Or both.

Edited by surfer, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:08 PM.

[fester01]

I was really hoping to find out who Dr. Whale was, but I'm confident we will soon. Overall, really liked the episode. Was Ipod guy at the start Aurora's prince? I just had a quick glimpse of him.

Loved Charming and Snow's little one-night stand conversation "Doctor WHALE?" That and Charming's belly flop/face plant at the end were hilarious.

[BooBear]

he guy in the city at the beginning was Prince Philip ... right? That brings up a whole lot of questions!

I think it is Balefire.

I liked it... I cried a little when Emma and Charming and Snow did a hug at the start.

Did anyone else think that Emma jump-starting the queen's powers means that Emma has powers?

Edited by BooBear, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:12 PM.

[MsCaitlin]

So, did anyone else think of the Dementors from Harry Potter when they saw the Wraith?

YES. Also, they sounded like car horns.

Decent episode. Loved Emma/Regina working together. And I would kill to be a fly on the wall in a Charming family therapy session.

When are Snow and Charming going to get to be happy together??? The "keep them apart" thing is getting old already, and they can only save each other so many times.

I thought the guy in the beginning looked like Phillip too, but maybe I'm mistaken.

[Jupiter84]

I think the guy in the very beginning of the episode was Bae. There were a lot of fairytale clues all around his apartment, and who else escaped the curse besides Emma and August.

Overall a good premiere, but I am definitely going to have to watch it again to get a good feel for it.

[AthenaLeStrange]

Well, the storybook is like a thousand years old. It still refers to dementors as ringwraiths.

Here I was thinking that the Boob Fairy just randomly dropped the line of no wand. If she had a wand she could Expecto Patronum that wraith!

[Snapple12]

Anyone else think our Mystery Man is

Spoiler

Bae

?

I was completely thinking that at the start. When he got the postcard from Storybrooke that said "Broken", I was thinking Gold might have sent it to him maybe.

[Tzigone]

I have not read interviews, and did not watch the "Magic is Coming" - I didn't want to be spoiled. I wanted to come in not knowing what was going on. So if I'm speculating in completely the opposite direction of something said in and interview, that's my excuse.

Soooo... The Blue Fairy Remember in the Pinocchio ep when the Blue Fairy was all distracted and said they had to prepare before the curse struck? Yea given the explanation Mulan told Aurora I think she was the reason the fairies were distracted. They were protecting the girl, honoring their wishes they made when she was born.

Awesome idea. Love it. And in protecting Aurora, they kept a corner of their world alive...meaning it could be restored?

Loved the "I will find them." It's obvious, I'll grant you, but I love the sentiment. It's not a empty promise Charming makes to make Henry feel better. Whenever that's been said by the royal family, it's been a statement of intent, and that's what is here. I really hope the separation of the family only lasts a few episodes. It frankly feels a bit like a cheap gimmick to have them reunited for ten seconds and then split up again.

Look at the difference in their natures. Without Henry present, with the town endangered by Regina's continued presence, Emma still was going to honor her promise to Henry. And Regina, without Henry there, was going to kill Charming, to revel in it, even, right after Charming had worked to save her. Sure, he threatened her after that, but he had good reason. She was going to enjoy it. She is the evil Queen. Even if she does try and get them back, it's only to win Henry's affection, only because of what it can get her. Still can't believe they trusted Regina's method of getting rid of the wraith - I'd have totally assumed she was hurting someone else by sending it somewhere else, no matter what she said. I was like "consult the Blue Fairy before you agree" because she could tell you whether or not it was a good idea.

I loathed Belle coming back and saying she had to stay because Rumpel is a monster. I hate the notion of redeeming evil guys with "the love of a good woman." It's destructive relationship material. It's just awful. Let redeem themselves through action and then maybe they can find love. It's just creepy. Although, I guess it's possible she's consulted with someone and is playing him now. Wouldn't blame her if that's case - I thin it'd be a valid tactic in the war they are fighting and for the greater good. Unless she was working with another bad guy, of course.

The episode was okay, but not one of the best. I'm hope they their alliances sorted with Mulan and Sleeping Beauty quickly and we don't have them fighting each other for the entire next ep.

ETA: Regarding Whale. He's hates Regina - he's the one who whipped up the crowd. And he wanted her to suffer, not just die. It's personal.

Edited by Tzigone, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:17 PM.

[kcblue86]

OMG, I just thought of something! Mystery Man is Baelfire, and Pinocchio is the one who sent the card. They met each other somewhere along the way in what is sure to be an interesting backstory.

[My Way]

Mulan, really? Not loving her, we'll see if she starts being less obnoxious down the way. I kept being kind of annoyed at the sleeping beauty story because all I cared about was going on in storybrooke, but then they tied it together nicely.

The Blue Fairy Remember in the Pinocchio ep when the Blue Fairy was all distracted and said they had to prepare before the curse struck? Yea given the explanation Mulan told Aurora I think she was the reason the fairies were distracted. They were protecting the girl, honoring their wishes they made when she was born.

Ooh, very interesting. I may have to rewatch that episode..

Speaking of, when are we going to see pinocchio again? I am also interested to find out of the random guy at the beginning is Bae or someone else.

Vastly amused at Regina immediately trying to kill David and then when Henry came in being all 'hey sweetie, aren't you up past your bedtime' while David was still stuck to the wall. Ha. Good for Henry calling her out and a reluctant partnership could be very interesting.

[Veruka]

For a while I thought NY Mystery Man was Prince Philip but reading these comments, now I don't think so.

I liked Belle's return and feel that it's a way of showing that even though Rumple has his love back in his life, he can't set aside his desire for revenge and/or messing around with everyone.

[kennyab]

I loathed Belle coming back and saying she had to stay because Rumpel is a monster. I hate the notion of redeeming evil guys with "the love of a good woman." It's destructive relationship material. It's just awful. Let redeem themselves through action and then maybe they can find love. It's just creepy.

I agree, but I've got a strong (unspoiled) feeling that she's going to learn this lesson the hard way.

[xqueenfrostine]

I guess they set it up well for the season itself, but overall and in general, I found this episode somewhat disappointing? Maybe I just expected too much.

I think this is my first reaction too. I may change my mind after another viewing, but right now I wish they had spent less time setting up the whole season and more time cleaning up the last one. I've spent all summer missing these characters and I really wanted more time with everyone (Red, the dwarves, even skeevy Dr. Whale!) rather than focusing just on Rumple/Belle, Regina & her Charming nemeses, and the new Mulan, Aurora and Phillip. Not that any of those parts were bad, but I didn't get enough with the reunions in the street and the brawl outside Regina's!

It was interesting though that it was Dr. Whale who led to lynch mob.

The guy in the city at the beginning was Prince Philip ... right? That brings up a whole lot of questions!

No, they were definitely different actors. The guy at the beginning was the same guy who played Rene in True Blood Season 1, which Prince Phillip was definitely not.

Overall, I was really happy with the Charming reunion. I found it appropriately bittersweet, with Snow and Charming being so earnestly eager to embrace their daughter, while Emma remained realistically conflicted about the idea that her parents had sent her away for her own good rather than keeping their family together. I though Emma summed up her feelings rather well.

I was totally confused by the Mulan/Aurora/Phillip subplot. I'm guessing that Maleficent put Aurora under her curse before Regina's big curse and that she had been asleep all this time, but the end with the wraith was strange. Was that entire story line something that happened after Snow and Emma fell into the hat?

Finally, I'm totally, and perhaps irrationally, annoyed with Henry for begging Emma to watch out for Regina. How did he not know that wan't going to lead to disaster?

[GrrlPower]

Yeah for diversity! The first person of color in a serious role makes an appearance tonight. They didn't even have a token before this episode :(

I don't understand Henry and his relationship to the Queen. All last season, the only thing we heard from Henry is "You're not my mom". Now, all of the sudden, he's begging everyone to not kill her because "she's still my mom" and he's willing to return to her when she brings Snow and Emma back? The writers have made serious jumps in this relationship.

Look at the difference in their natures. Without Henry present, with the town endangered by Regina's continued presence, Emma still was going to honor her promise to Henry. And Regina, without Henry there, was going to kill Charming, to revel in it, even, right after Charming had worked to save her. Sure, he threatened her after that, but he had good reason. She was going to enjoy it. She is the evil Queen.

True, but... Charming is annoying as hell so Team Evil Queen!

Edited: because I remembered the boy's name.

Edited by GrrlPower, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:34 PM.

[mustbekarma]

The guy at the start is totally Baelfire.

I couldn't tell if it was Prince Philip or not. I'll have to watch the episode again, like that would be a hardship.

[SiobhanJW]

For a while I thought NY Mystery Man was Prince Philip but reading these comments, now I don't think so.

No Prince Philip and the guy at the beginning were 2 different people. I think that he is either Henry's Dad or Bae or both. My sister and I rewound and looked around his room for clues!! Haha

Really enjoyed this episode. I thought it was I interesting that it seemed that no one knew who Whale was. And that Regina was pretending she didn't know Jefferson. Can't wait til next week!!!

Edited by SiobhanJW, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:25 PM.

[2MuchTV]

Stupid show. Stop hiring pretty, pretty actors and killing them off! Such a waste of the pretty.

And yes, I'm shallow. But Julian Morris? Pretty.

[Veruka]

The first person of color in a serious role makes an appearance tonight.

What about the guy who played the Mirror/journalist? I can't think of either of his names and I think Regina killed him, but he was a person of color.

No, they were definitely different actors. The guy at the beginning was the same guy who played Rene in True Blood Season 1, which Prince Phillip was definitely not.

Thanks for the confirmation. I need to rewatch the opening scene with Mystery Man.

And yay, Jefferson next week! Something tells me that he and Emma won't have any scenes together, or not for a little while, so we won't get to see their intense chemistry.

Edited by Veruka, Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:28 PM.

[Cherith]

I don't understand the boy (I can never remember his name) and his relationship to the Queen. All last season, the only thing we heard from the boy is "You're not my mom". Now, all of the sudden, he's begging everyone to not kill her because "she's still my mom" and he's willing to return to her when she brings Snow and Emma back? The writers have made serious jumps in this relationship.

I think it is a lot easier to think your mother is actually the evil Queen in the abstract than to face the reality of "Evil Queen must Die". Eventhough he knew it was true before there was the tiniest element of make believe.

Sad Wren/Prince Phillip was killed off so soon. Are Mulan and Sleeping Beauty going to hook up? I know they probably didn't intend it but those two seemed more into each other than the (very) handsome prince.

[Tzigone]

I'm guessing that Maleficent put Aurora under her curse before Regina's big curse and that she had been asleep all this time, but the end with the wraith was strange.

Hey, but in episode 2, Regina said Maleficent's sleeping curse on Sleeping Beauty (no name given) had been broken years ago. So this can't be her. Now Aurora said Maleficent had gone after her mother previously. So was her mother also "Sleeping Beauty"? Seriously, it's the only reason I can't think of the mom reference - explaining how we still have a sleeping Sleeping Beauty.

I don't understand the boy (I can never remember his name) and his relationship to the Queen. All last season, the only thing we heard from the boy is "You're not my mom". Now, all of the sudden, he's begging everyone to not kill her because "she's still my mom" and he's willing to return to her when she brings Snow and Emma back? The writers have made serious jumps in this relationship.

I agree that Henry's newfound feelings for Regina aren't reflective of their previous relationship. If they wanted him to extract a promise that she not be killed, it would worked much better to just have him the Hero's heart, the Do-the-Right-Thing mentality.