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Posted Sep 28, 2012 @ 8:44 AM

This was pretty evident on PanAm and most set-in-the-60s shows, all because they don't want to look like they're promoting smoking.


Pan Am did show some smoking, but the reduced amount didn't bother me as much there because flight attendants weren't allowed to smoke during the actual flights even in th 60s. Mad Men has had no problem showing plenty of smoking (and other terrible 60s behavior such as the attitude of Betty toward her kids or the ridiculous littering). I understand not wanting to "promote" smoking, but especially for a gangster/cowboy show, it just makes no sense not to at least have the Bad Guys smoking. Breaking Bad, Hell on Wheels and Deadwood would have been stupid without the drinking/smoking/drugs. I just wonder what the next sanitaization of the past on network television will be.

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Posted Sep 28, 2012 @ 11:46 AM

My Dad was raised with Ralph Lamb and his brothers!


That is so cool! I didn't even realize that Lamb was a real guy and wondered why they gave the "character" such a non-intimidating last name.

I really enjoyed this. I have a soft spot for procedurals set in "the olden days" without all of the legal mumbo-jumbo we take for granted today. I particularly liked the fact that Lamb was more concerned about coyotes attacking the body than, y'know, all of those stomping boots messing up the crime scene.

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Posted Sep 28, 2012 @ 11:52 AM

The scene with Quaid chasing the biker on his horse was absurdly corny.


Totally agree. That was the point that I nearly turned the show off.

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Posted Sep 28, 2012 @ 12:04 PM

That is so cool! I didn't even realize that Lamb was a real guy and wondered why they gave the "character" such a non-intimidating last name.

I really enjoyed this. I have a soft spot for procedurals set in "the olden days" without all of the legal mumbo-jumbo we take for granted today. I particularly liked the fact that Lamb was more concerned about coyotes attacking the body than, y'know, all of those stomping boots messing up the crime scene.

I guess Lamb will have a wiki page up soon. I like the crime scene too. Although he brought in a tracker the next day it was like CBS was saying ths ain't CSI:In the Beginning

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Posted Sep 28, 2012 @ 2:36 PM

Totally agree. That was the point that I nearly turned the show off.


I was thinking "horse on pavement? good luck with that."

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Posted Sep 29, 2012 @ 1:35 PM

I had such low expectations for this show, but love Dennis Quad, so thought I would give it a shot. It was a lot less bad than I thought it would be. Yes, it's faint praise, but it was not bad enough that I'll tune in again next week.

p.s dear costume design people, please find some better outfits for Carrie Moss. She looks bowlegged in most of those skirts.

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Posted Sep 29, 2012 @ 2:11 PM

It was a lot less bad than I thought it would be.

Same here. I watched for the cast with very low expectations, since I don't like shows set in the 60's, plus I loathe mobsters-are-the-heroes shows and feared it would be one.

I've always had a soft spot for Dennis Quaid, I just hope he'll tone down the angry face. It was a bit over-the-top already. I have a girl crush on Carrie-Ann Moss and I found her as beautiful as she ever was. I don't know if women ADA were believable at the time, but I think she's great as a smart and classy girl (hopefully she'll stay one). As others upthread, I was surprised to see Jason O'Mara in a secondary role but maybe it will bring him better luck than playing the main character.

I can't help but hope that Michael Chicklis plays a cop undercover and not a "real" mobster. I love, love, love this actor and I hope he'll have something (imo) meatier to play than the big bag thug. Anyway, I'll watch again, it could develop into a quite enjoyable show if the cast is provided with even half-decent material.

Edited by Happy Harpy, Sep 29, 2012 @ 2:15 PM.


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Posted Sep 29, 2012 @ 4:54 PM

The scene with Quaid chasing the biker on his horse was absurdly corny.


Totally agree. That was the point that I nearly turned the show off.



All I could think of was that Gene Autry or Tex Ritter would have jumped onto a motorcycle in such a situtation - back in the 1930's! I've been looking forward to this show more than any other in the fall line-up, so I didn't want to turn the show off - but I DID think to myself, "Relax. It's just the pilot. Give them time to work out the kinks." Now I just hope they do actually work out kinks like this.

The lack of smoking was indeed pretty absurd. I did laugh at how careful they were not to damage any of those classic old vintage cars in the chases.

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Posted Sep 30, 2012 @ 7:30 AM

I hope this one doesn't get the ax too soon. Like others have said, going in with low expectations it was better than I'd anticipated. Good cast. I love Dennis Quaid, but can't help but hear him in my head yelling, "DENNIS QUAID IS HERE!" every time I see him. (Ellen reference.)

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Posted Sep 30, 2012 @ 8:57 AM

I liked it. I've liked Carrie-Anne Moss since her Models, Inc. days, so it's nice to see her here.

I didn't mind the procedural aspect too much since I thought it was a good way to introduce viewers to the characters and their roles in this fictional world. But like others here, I hope it becomes more.

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Posted Sep 30, 2012 @ 6:37 PM

I'm surprised how much I liked this show.

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Posted Sep 30, 2012 @ 7:55 PM

I finally figured out what has been bugging me about Dennis Quaid's performance. He seems to be going for a Harrison Ford vibe, only he isn't Harrison Ford.

I feel like the Lamb character would be better if it were played with at least a modicum of gruff charm, instead of just gruff. Maybe that will improve. But it is something that Harrison Ford would have nailed in the pilot.

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Posted Oct 1, 2012 @ 11:02 AM

I really like pretty much the entire cast so I'll keep tuning in.

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Posted Oct 1, 2012 @ 2:00 PM

It's not great, but I like both Dennis Quaid and Jason O'Mara, so I'll keep watching. Even if I don't love a show, I think it's only fair to give it a chance and not make a decision after just one or two shows. I learned that from watching Prime Suspect last year. I was about to give up after the the first few shows, then it really improved and I got hooked.

I do like the "different" aspect of Vegas, in that it's set in another time period - so we don't get people constantly in front of computers or on cell phones like all the cop shows now. I also noticed the lack of smoking, especially in the casino, but I won't let that bother me.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 12:59 AM

A car bomb taking out feds along with a witness. Seems like there will be no low profile gangsters in this yarn

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 4:02 AM

I really can't believe how much they're wasting Jason O'Mara on this show. He only shows up every once in awhile just to provide details about the case ("A white Oldsmobile was spotted with a Missouri license plate"). Such a waste.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 8:22 AM

Brian C:

I really can't believe how much they're wasting Jason O'Mara on this show. He only shows up every once in awhile just to provide details about the case ("A white Oldsmobile was spotted with a Missouri license plate"). Such a waste.



It does not bother me. For me, Jason O'Mara's stock took a free fall when he starred in the turkey named Terra Nova.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 9:16 AM

A car bomb taking out feds along with a witness. Seems like there will be no low profile gangsters in this yarn


Right. I was thinking, good way to bring a flood of FBI agents to town.

I am still pretty meh on this show. I did think last night improved a little on the pilot.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 11:07 AM

Improvement over the pilot, but still just decent for me. Right now, it feels like the set-up is part procedural, part mobster story. You got Lamb and family solving the crime of the week, while Vincent is off dealing with the whole casino/mob thing, and then have one or two scenes where Lamb and Vincent cross paths, so Dennis Quaid and Michael Chiklis can do their stare-downs. That's... OK for now, but I can see that getting boring real quick, so I hope they spice it up soon.

I am intrigued by the introduction of Sarah Jones' character. She seems ambitious and smart, but also naive and too short-sighted, like how she went for the quick bucks at the blackjack tables, only to find out that it will probably hurt them in the long run. Curious to see what she'll bring and, thankfully, Jones seems to be more comfortable in this role, then in Alcatraz.

I do feel like Carrie-Ann Moss and Jason O'Mara are being wasted. Right now, they seem to be there to either prop up Lamb or provide exposition for the crime of the week.

That secretary that was razing Lamb's son about the car was totally Batista's sister/Dexter's babysitter from Dexter.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 11:13 AM

I am intrigued by the introduction of Sarah Jones' character


I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't recognize her with the different hairstyle and period clothing. She also seemed shorter on Alcatraz.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 11:15 AM

Is Vegas going to remind us it's 1960 at the beginning of every episode? Because I don't think that's necessary.


It's necessary for me when I see it super'd over a 1963 Ford police car and a 1966 Plymouth taxi.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 11:23 AM

A car bomb taking out feds along with a witness. Seems like there will be no low profile gangsters in this yarn

Right. I was thinking, good way to bring a flood of FBI agents to town.

I am still pretty meh on this show. I did think last night improved a little on the pilot.


On balance I like this show, but between Savino repeatedly breaking one of the mobs most sacred commandments (Thou shall not kill cops), and the even more unlikely idea that Outfit boss Sam Giancana (or rather his fictional counterpart) would send Sarah Jones to run the countroom and oversee the skim, I am finding it hard to maintain my suspension of disbelief.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 11:40 AM

I like this show. Not really sure what it's trying to be yet but I like it. Sarah Jones seemed to be channeling Jodie Foster vocal wise and expression wise. Really Liked the secretary even though she was on for all of 2 seconds. She's the only chick on this show that's made an impression on me yet(which means she'll prolly never be seen again).

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 1:18 PM

A car bomb taking out feds along with a witness. Seems like there will be no low profile gangsters in this yarn


Yes, I'm having a problem with this and Savino leaving the chips in Lamb's house. It just doesn't seem very smart to be so obvious. It's one thing to have it on the table that he bribed the former sheriff which is probably hard to prove, it's quite another to blow up that car. It's just asking for attention. I would expect a mobster who wants to make loads of money in Vegas to want to avoid that by all means.

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Posted Oct 3, 2012 @ 9:11 PM

I'm going to give the show props for having Mob Princess mention that she got her degree from Wharton School, because Wharton began to admit female students in 1954, so it's entirely possible for a woman in 1960 to have a degree from there. I still had a hard time believing that people in the mob would be okay with a female having any kind of role aside from the bedroom, but it seemed like a lot of the respect that she did get was based on who her Daddy was.

The secretary gave me a double-take, because she looked like a light-skinned black woman, but maybe segregation wasn't quite as bad in Vegas as it was in the rest of the US? Although if she were a black woman who successfully passed as white, that would actually be really interesting.

When I saw Amanda Schull, I couldn't help but think of when she was on Cold Case portraying a stewardess in 1960, and the thick, period-correct make-up and short flip she wore in that role, as contrasted to her appearance on this. I mean really, they only concession they made to the time-period were the pedal pushers. Her hair and make-up were way too natural for 1960. That's true for all of the actresses here, but she really looked way too modern.

Taylor Handey aged horribly, but damned if he can't wear the hell out of tight jeans. It's great to see Crazy Oliver from the O.C. in a fairly prominent role on a T.V. show.

I'm really impressed at the sets- they give you a sense of the time period and you really do feel like this is a bustling city in the 1960's.

Edited by MethodActor05, Oct 3, 2012 @ 9:15 PM.


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Posted Oct 4, 2012 @ 1:02 AM

I also really did like the secretary. She had charisma. Is that seriously Batista's sister? I had no clue. First I couldn't place William Russ in the pilot and now I'm missing out on an appearance by Jamie Batista! For shame, me, for shame!

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Posted Oct 4, 2012 @ 10:50 AM

I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't recognize her with the different hairstyle and period clothing. She also seemed shorter on Alcatraz.

I think that was because in Alcatraz she used sensible cop shoes, while on this show, as part of the 60's costume she wearing high heels. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she took them off before getting on the scales? How many inches do you think those things were?

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Posted Oct 4, 2012 @ 11:44 AM

I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't recognize her with the different hairstyle and period clothing. She also seemed shorter on Alcatraz.

Maybe because Sam Neill is quite taller than Michael Chiklis?

Overall, I find this whole thing rather predictable at this point. Shady charismatic crime boss running or semi-running the town against upstanding cowboy with some issues.

I feel like I have seen this before on Deadwood and much, much better.

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Posted Oct 4, 2012 @ 1:53 PM

I am so looking forward to Michael Chiklis and the Mafia Princess riding that neon wave to greatness in Vegas. You could see the beginnings of a team. He does recognize she has a brain in her head, he just doesn't want end arounds.

Speaking of end arounds -- it looked like he busted that fire hydrant hours before the transport. Wouldn't the police know about it and PLAN A DIFFERENT ROUTE? No, let's just ease past the blockage in this narrow space while transporting a high profile prisoner that the mob already tried to kill once.

I think Dennis Quaid and Jason O'Meara work well as brothers. They look a bit alike and sound incrediblity alike. I just wish Dennis would smile more. He has an awesome grin.

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Posted Oct 4, 2012 @ 4:24 PM

I am so looking forward to Michael Chiklis and the Mafia Princess riding that neon wave to greatness in Vegas. You could see the beginnings of a team. He does recognize she has a brain in her head, he just doesn't want end arounds.

Absolutely. I really like that new girl, I can think of many interesting developments with her. She could be an interesting take (=subvertion, deconstruction) on the femme fatale , precisely because she has a brain (and guts, it seems) and knows how to use it. I find it really interesting that the two recurring female characters, in spite of being both gorgeous, get more emphasis on their professional abilities than their looks (for the little that Katherine had of screentime).

I'm also in the "improvement from the pilot" group. The pace was better. I particularly liked 1) the son cutting off Lamb's well intended lecture about the war and killing people blah-blah-blah and 2) the son saving Lamb. In spite of is broom-beating (ahem) awesomeness, our sheriff needs people to save his butt sometimes. Good.

Is it me, or are they setting a love triangle between the two brothers and Katherine? Two episodes, twice I see Jason O'Mara's character observing Lamb and the ADA together with an ominous, jealous look.

At first I watched only for the cast and sincerely, I'm pleasantly surprised. I think (hope, all fingers crossed) that Jason O'Mara and Carrie-Ann Moss will have more airtime in the upcoming episodes. Oh, and I'm definitely a sucker for D.Quaid's "Jefferson Blue" smirk.

Edited by Happy Harpy, Oct 4, 2012 @ 4:30 PM.