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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 7:29 AM

I hadn't realized that Devon was there for the part she lied about and knew she lied to the police and never said anything.

 

 

I realized that and thought it was a huge red flag. The footage showed Devon and Betsy entering the room within a minute of each other and shutting the door. When Devon said he believed Iva's version of the event, I was sitting there like...uh, there was footage of you in the room during the alleged assault.

 

I feel bad for Betsy. I don't believe this was scripted because I cannot see any self-respecting person being okay with a storyline where they are being viewed as a perpetrator of sexual assault. I'm glad Betsy got to clear her name, but I am pissed on her behalf that this went as far as it did.


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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 8:04 AM

Well, it turns out Betsy ISN'T the psycho one. How nice. Iva cheats on her boyfriend and her solution to hiding it is to frame a girl for sexual assault? That just really takes the cake. She is one icy bitch....and Devon is a douche. What I don't get is - everyone is acting like HE is the bad one and all is forgiven with Iva? To me, it seems like SHE was the mastermind behind all of this. Yet her boyfriend immediately forgives her and wants to kick to Devon's ass? And the entire group leaves him behind?

 

As for the rest of the episode - I think Matt is really overdoing it with the prude thing, but I actually liked that he tried to find something cultural and historical to do in Vegas. It's not ALL partying. Sad to see the rest of the group didn't get that.

 

Does anyone know anything about that Shepherd's Fold that Matt mentioned he was sent to for his "lust issues"? I just keep thinking there has to be more to it....


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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 12:22 PM

 

So...I take it there was a real (false) police report filed, and Betsy got the footage from production to clear her name? Isn't that completely screwed up? I get loosely scripted drama for the series, but a false police report can't be part of the deal. And that Iva isn't so new to the "English" world means that she should get a legal slap on the wrist for filing a false rape report, right? (Even though California is so overwhelmed nothing of consequence will come of it, they at least frown on false rape reports, right?)

Unless this was part of the script with Betsy's ok, I'm also wondering about the ethics of TLC even airing Iva's fake story for a week or two when production had realized what was up long before the series aired. Defamation has to come into play here, at least with Iva, and TLC unless Betsy okayed the lack of disclaimer each week. (I get that would ruin the "drama"/suspense, but some of America will have seen or read about the whole thing without seeing the "reveal."

I'm sure I'm overthinking it, but if an actual police report was in fact filed, I'm not sure why a false rape report from a reality show isn't a big deal.

 

Occam's Razor would suggest (actually, SCREAM) that there was never any false police report. All that was made up. Complete fiction.

 

I can (kinda) buy that "the incident" actually happened. I can believe that everyone involved tried to hide it. (I find it a lot harder to believe that ANYONE was ever unaware that it was all on camera.) But clearly any police involvement was nothing more than a storyline concocted by production. Betsy just got put up in a hotel for a few days until it was time for her to come back.

 

As for Betsy having given consent to the storyline, of course she did. At the very least, I'm certain that the contract everyone signs to participate in the show in the first place gives production carte blanche to do whatever they want, and I mean anything. Signing on is consent in and of itself. But beyond that, Betsy especially appears to be a total famewhore, and I'm sure production dangled carrot after carrot to get her to not only consent but to be an enthusiastic participant. "You'll be the BREAKOUT STAR! This is gonna open all kinds of doors for you as a celebrity something-or-other going forward. And in the meantime, you're gonna be totally vindicated/redeemed after just a couple episodes. You'll come out of this thing smelling like a rose!" (By whatever perverse definition makes sense in the world of "reality" tee vee, anyway.) That kind of thing.


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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 12:32 PM

I havent' watched the epi yet but why does Iva say "my life has all been a lie."
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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 1:57 PM

She never really clarified that line. Only fessed up to lie about said incident. I wanted to know more about that...


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Posted Aug 26, 2013 @ 6:56 PM

Okay, I just need to convince myself to suspend the whole "reality" programming and treat this as 90210 or a soap opera, putting aside acting like these are real people and real situations.    Personally, I don't even consider stuff like false police reports and what producers did, because it's no more real than Days of Our Lives.

 

Even then though, the acting is so horrible that it's downright distracting.   Betsey's like a block of wood. 


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Posted Aug 27, 2013 @ 10:12 AM

Iva is too.  She thinks her young, cute, blonde, dumb act is adorable.  I'm sick of it.

 

Paraphrased:

 

"I liked having pets growing up.  But here they are (holding up 2 jars).  Babe, my pig, and Bessie my cow"

 

"Mr. Jones was very helpful' (the chauffeur at the airport holding up the Jones sign0

 

"Is this like, Chinesetown?"

 

(About organic) "Isn't that what happens after sex?"

 

It's not cute Iva, so just knock it off.


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Posted Aug 27, 2013 @ 12:47 PM

I completely agree.   She sounds medicated, not cute.


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Posted Aug 27, 2013 @ 2:00 PM

 

It's not cute Iva, so just knock it off.

 

 

Totally agree.

 

When she tried her "bit" about the pets in the first episode, I felt that it didn't come off very well but I had hoped that it was just an awkward attempt to make a "funny" by an unaware Amish girl.  Fast forward to the "organic" scene and I'm just over it.  It's just not funny, it's not cute...it's just...well, bad freakin' acting!

 

When they showed her scene with Jeremiah from season one, I felt like she was an ice princess.  Season two and it's only getting worse.  

 

Lizzie and Samuel continue to be my favorites.

 

Devon is just a horny devil; Matt is gay; Andrew is a famewhore.

 

Betsey...I don't know what Betsey's deal is.

 

 

Does anyone know anything about that Shepherd's Fold that Matt mentioned he was sent to for his "lust issues"? I just keep thinking there has to be more to it....

 

He's gay.

 

Someone posted a link up-thread that he's with a guy he met on the show.


Edited by Ernestina27, Aug 27, 2013 @ 2:03 PM.

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Posted Aug 27, 2013 @ 3:01 PM


He's gay.

 

Someone posted a link up-thread that he's with a guy he met on the show.

 

Oh, thanks. I must have missed that.

 

I had guessed he was, but he was being so evasive about everything and I just wished he'd come out with it.


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Posted Sep 1, 2013 @ 10:41 AM

After Betsy's makeover, she bared a strong resemblance to Michael Jackson.  Just sayin'.

 

 

This!  She's like a cross between Michael Jackson and Kevin McDonald from Kids in the Hall.

 

I was not going to watch this, but damn the holiday extended version marathon.

 

I love the line "where did the footage come from?"  Really?


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Posted Sep 1, 2013 @ 10:28 PM

Sam is quickly becoming my favorite character this season.  His doing yoga with Lizzie was hilarious.  Actually him and Lizzie are just about the only ones I can stand in recent episodes.  Matt is OK too, I guess.

 

I get that they would be mad at Devon for being such a coward and not owning up to his part of the "scandal", but really?  I felt that they were a little OTT with the expelling him from the house.  Especially Andrew, he is far from being a saint and shouldn't be so quick to judge anyone.  And Andrew's "angry voice" speech to Devon was just annoying.  He sounded like a little kid having an angry tantrum.  While I agree that Devon didn't handle himself well in any of this and needs to grow up and own his shit, he is hardly the worst one in this situation.

 

That title should go to Iva.  I'm still not sure how everyone is so quick to forgive and forget her part in all of this.  She was the one who came up with the "plan" after being ashamed of her behavior.  And now it seems like she wants to deflect her own part in this and let Devon go down for it.  And that's only after she was willing to let Betsy go to jail for it.  She thinks shedding a few tears and throwing out a very blase apology in front of everyone wil absolve her of everything.  Devon might have been a dick in all of this, but she acts like he was far worse than her and deserves all the wrath of the house.  In my opinion, she handled things far worse than anyone.  She has been a shit-stirrer from the get go.  But I think because she's the "pretty little blonde" she figures she'll get away with whatever she does.  And she does.  Her little sneaky grin at the very end shows what a little b***** she can be.  I feel sort of bad for her boyfriend too, he buys it all hook, line, and sinker.

 

I did enjoy seeing Matt make is debut in the fashion industry.  I think he's going to discover a lot about himself as he ventures on.

 

Some of those people are such major drama queens and kings in that house.  I know a lot of this is probably staged, but they just freak out over some of the dumbest things.  Too funny.


Edited by LadyJaney, Sep 1, 2013 @ 10:39 PM.

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Posted Sep 1, 2013 @ 11:56 PM

...but they just freak out over some of the dumbest things. 

 

 

I know!  It's funny.  Like that time Andrew took a shower with the door open and Iva saw.  Her freakout was like he had just sexually assaulted her or something.  And the worse she probably saw his silhouette behind frosted blurred glass.

 

I'm sick of Devon getting all the blame for that night.  Just end it.

 

I about died watching Betsy hang out the window to antagonize Iva even more.

 

I'm just enjoying Samuel and Lizzy.  He may be hideous looking, but he seems like a good enough guy.  I appreciate him taking care of his sister and doing all this maternity stuff with her.  It cracked my shit up watching him dance in the Prenatal Affirmation Dance Class. "I love my body!"

 

Some scenes (from one to the other) Lizzy's eyebrows were drawn on so dark it really stood out.

 

Betsy is creepy.  "One time Devon slapped me" she nonchalantly says.  Then after seeing the guys reaction it turned into: "He did!  He slapped me across the face and grabbed me when I tried to hit back!"  Piece of work that girl is.  Betsy the Red Nose Reindeer.

 

When I first saw the season highlights, I loved seeing someone get knocked clear over a fence.  I secretly hoped it would be Jeremiah, that he was there for a cameo appearance.  I felt kind of bad seeing Devon getting knocked.

 

I liked Matt's difference between the Mennonites and the Amish when it comes to forgiveness.

 

They made such a big deal about Sabrina not speaking Dutch since she is a Mennonite.  Then again this season, Matt is a Mennonite, please don't speak Dutch around him.  Then Iva's Mennonite boyfriend comes around and they're speaking Dutch!  I know he obviously can speak Dutch if he wanted to, but they make it seem like they are a normal Amish duo speaking Dutch.

 

I had a good laugh out loud moment for next week's episode when they showed everyone getting smashed at a club and Samuel says, "at this point, Betsy is even looking good!"

 

Shut up Andrew, Devon was there first.  Don't be the self appointed house boss and eviction-happy landlord.


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Posted Sep 2, 2013 @ 1:59 AM

Yes to this """""  (supposed to be arrows pointing up but they didn't work out) they don't have the right to throw him out of the house.
 
My faves are Lizzie, Samuel, and Matt. Matt is kind hearted and I hope he finds happiness and whatever success he is aiming for. I also think Iva's fiance is really sweet. Devon is cute. I don't like Andrew at all.
 
I realize this is just a scripted soap opera, but let me enjoy it, ok?

Edited by Corydora, Sep 2, 2013 @ 6:03 PM.

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Posted Sep 2, 2013 @ 12:43 PM

So after the first Breaking amish and after brave new world and Andrew's debut with this crowd, I did not think I'd like Andrew at all.  But he's starting to grow on me.  Weird?  I must be the only person watching to say "I like Andrew!!"

 

SAM-- lizzies brother sam-- is hilarious.  And him during this episode, he was really sweet.  At first I couldn't stand him, but he too has grown on me.

 

Iva has grown to be Breaking Amish LA's resident mean girl.  How stereotypical!!  Let us make the pretty blond the mean girl, and the gawky unpopular girl the victim.  It is the making of the newest teen movie of the summer!!! YEAH!!   I'm loving Lizzie's reaction to the whole situation.

 

I felt sorry for Lizzie when devon pretty much ruined her party.  That blows, man, big time.


Edited by LadyArachne, Sep 2, 2013 @ 12:43 PM.

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Posted Sep 2, 2013 @ 1:45 PM

Iva has grown to be Breaking Amish LA's resident mean girl.  How stereotypical!!  Let us make the pretty blond the mean girl, and the gawky unpopular girl the victim. 

Yes, and then when it comes out that Iva was lying, she just cries and screams about people causing drama and how sick of it she is, as if she was just an innocent player in all the drama. 

 

I'm kind of watching this show because I like Lizzie and her brother, and I'm curious to see Matt's story.  I loved the little baby outfits, the Amish one and the English one with the tie.  So cute. 


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Posted Sep 2, 2013 @ 3:05 PM

Yeah I totally laughed at Sam saying he tends not to hit on married/committed girls because they're husbands/boyfriends tend to not appreciate that too much. It's like when he says it, it's such common sense, duh.
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Posted Sep 2, 2013 @ 6:11 PM

After looking at all the photos from the links here I realize that nothing is quite as it seems and no one is quite as they seem. I agree, why can"t the show just be a "dramatization" or something instead of depicting it as a true story. Or do they assume we will just know that? Or do they hope we won't? I do hope that at the end there is a big wrap up with who everyone was to begin with and what was real and what was not.  I didn't watch last season but it seems they had something like that.

 

Will the real Amish person please stand up?

 

By the way, I think if Iva had really filed a police report they would have shown her at the police station, crying, writing her statement, etc. as was said I also don't think the producers would allow a false report to be made.

 

Did I miss the baby shower? If so, did we learn the sex of the baby? I share a tv and my sister wanted to watch strange weather or something like that.


Edited by Corydora, Sep 2, 2013 @ 7:21 PM.

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Posted Sep 3, 2013 @ 5:45 AM

Corydora: Yes, you missed the shower. Matt made outfits for the baby in both blue and pink, but Sam only wrapped the outfits of one color, so Lizzie, (and everyone else besides Sam), would learn the gender when she opened the gift. The color that was wrapped was blue.


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Posted Sep 3, 2013 @ 7:28 PM

Awww thank you, AustinGuy. So she had a little boy. Very sweet.


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Posted Sep 5, 2013 @ 4:16 PM

I agree w/ everyone. Iva should have received just as much blame, if not more, than Devon. They really railroaded that guy.

 

I think he did slap Betsy, though. He said "oh, that was just a happy bitch slap". Whatever the eff that is....


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Posted Sep 8, 2013 @ 10:58 PM

So, apparently Betsy took Samuel's virginity...  I still think he lost it with that random woman in Mexico.  He probably just doesn't want to admit it.  He might have done it with Betsy too, it just sounds better to say it was just with her.  What about her marriage though?  You wonder how much of all of this is actually "real" anyway.

 

Still think Iva is a manipulative little sneak.  Still don't get why Devon had to go, but she was OK to stay.

 

Matt is so on his way to coming out.  He has a couple of drinks and goes to a gay bar and all bets are off with his reformed "lust issues".  I didn't even know he had a "girlfriend".  Was it the girl he called and confided things too.  She may just be his willing Amish beard.  I just think he would be happier and less uptight if he just let go and decided to be true to who he really is.

 

Didn't get much else from this episode.  You can tell the season is winding down now. 


Edited by LadyJaney, Sep 8, 2013 @ 11:00 PM.

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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 3:19 AM

   I thought that prostitute in Mexico seemed like a transvestite.


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 7:05 AM

Best two lines last night belong to Betsy. Her first went something along the lines that she must have known she was Mexican because she loves and can tolerate Mexican food. Ohhh well, if that is the case, I must be part Japanese as I really love sushi. 

The next one had to be in regards to the prostitutes on how they don't look like the women back home. I too thought those prostitutes were transvestites.

 

I was hoping Sam would have a Mick Dundee moment with the prostitutes. Man, TLC you missed a golden opportunity.

 

Plus, Sam sleeping with Betsy and the next day during packing Betsy saying how she cannot wait to go back to her husband. Ummmm that sure makes alot of sense. You cheat on the man but you cannot wait to go back. Plus, did they do the deed? I am not so sure. It really didn't show anything much or even have some dialogue. And TLC is such a whore for that kind of stuff. 


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 8:55 AM

Gotta love Betsy's "Who Do You Think You Are" crossover moment there when she realized that not only does she have Mexican ancestry, but lo & behold, one of her ancestors was accused in the Salem Witch Trials! And the drawing of the girl looks just like Betsy! That's not totally made up I'm sure. 

 

Matt... Matt, Matt, Matt... people are practically taking the hinges off the closet door for you! First there was Lizzie's comment a few weeks ago about thinking he'd enjoy the Vegas show, then last night his fashion mentor tried to help things along.  Too bad we're apparently not going to get to see him come out on the show- I agree he'll be so much happier.  I did feel sad seeing in the promo next week that his parents call the cops to have him escorted off their property (at least that's what the promo suggests - never know til we see it). 


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 10:13 AM

Here is Matt's clothing line's facebook page  https://www.facebook...bristolclothing


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 11:26 AM

Well that's... much more boring than I was imagining.


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 1:35 PM

I actually think the Salem witch thing was probably a crock. I mean, her name was "Abigail" and was accused by a bunch of other girls? Hello, the Crucible is calling and they want their plot back! But whatever.

 

It did seem like Sam was saying he slept with Betsy. Which I found hugely hypocritical. He and Abe made a big deal of how wrong Devon was because he knew Iva had a boyfriend. Well, Betsy has a husband! Allegedly...


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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 2:04 PM

I thought the show was strongly implying that Sam hired a prostitute when he "disappeared from the camera crew" with the woman in Mexico ... That way TLC has plausible deniability.


Edited by missy jo, Sep 9, 2013 @ 2:04 PM.

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Posted Sep 9, 2013 @ 2:23 PM

I actually think the Salem witch thing was probably a crock. I mean, her name was "Abigail" and was accused by a bunch of other girls? Hello, the Crucible is calling and they want their plot back! But whatever.

 

The crucible was based on a real situation though-- there were characters-- like tituba-- who were real. ;)  But I do get what you mean.


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