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[TWoP Mars]

From TVGuide.com:

Episode Synopsis: Seventeen of the rejected bachelors dish about Emily and each other, and Emily dishes about them as she looks back at the season. The hour also includes a sneak peek of the finale and the upcoming third season of "Bachelor Pad." Original Air Date: Jul 16, 2012

[lleykian54]

Okay, judge me if you want but Ryan was the best part of this show for me. Dude is a total tool and I'd never actually want to date him but damn if he wasn't hilarious.

[Sailing]

All the hero worship of Emily was incredibly annoying. She didn't cure cancer, she was just bland Bachelorette Barbie! "Thank you, Emily, for breaking my heart, I'm a better person now!" Seriously? This woman couldn't even offer decent explanations for most of the men she let go, and now they're thanking her for her lame breakups? I have to say though, Emily did pick some quality guys to have standing at the end or close to it. They were all well-spoken, thoughtful, and appropriately reflective about the experience.
I liked her smackdown of Kalon and his increasingly lame defenses, but all the while I kept wondering who from production wrote her retorts for her. She's nowhere near quick-witted enough to come up with those zingers on her own, bless her heart.

Did enjoy the blooper clips and seeing Emily drop her perfect Southern belle act and drop a few f-bombs. I have to admit, I also smiled at the cat videos bit at the end. It's always great when we get to see the B'ette and Bachelors as real, honest-to-god humans. And we finally got to see the vampire hunting! And apparently it was done in the nude?

Due to Chris pointedly not asking Emily how things were going, something tells me Emily pulls a "most shocking rose ceremony ever" and decided to - gasp - date both of them in real life before getting engaged. Considering her position as a single mom, that's the only logical option, IMHO. And more importantly for the armchair conspiracy theorists, we didn't see snippets of her in a FRC gown.

All those who think they're grooming Chris and/or Sean for the next Bachelor, say aye and drink up for the journey!

[JudyObscure]

I agree, Ryan plus Chris baiting him was quite fun. Now Ryan would be good on Bachelor Pad.

I was happy to hear Sean say that his mother agrees with me that this whole thing has been kind of good for him. If he could learn to kiss, I wouldn't mind seeing him as the next bachelor.

I alos liked Emily's line to Kalon about hoping he finds something bigger in his life than Prada shoes and rented helicopters.

The whole thing was less boring than I thought it would be, but now I'm ready to wind it all up and get on with the Bachelor Pad.

[cups]

im nervous about the previous for the endings - if there is no proposal im going to be so disappointed. HOW lame.

[nospin]

I thought this was the most boring episode of the season.

[lawgiver]

I still think she ends up with Chris Harrison. It truly would be The! Most! Dramatic! Rose! Ceremony! Ever!

Is Chris Harrison that wee, or were there a lot of tall bachelors this time around? He was dwarfed every time one came to the hot seat and gave him a manly hug.

This probably dates me, but her white nail polish looks too much like Wite-Out. And she said she has no hobbies, but obviously she does - "directing" cat videos.

Edited by lawgiver, Jul 16, 2012 @ 9:30 PM.

[JenE4]

I just wrote this in the spoiler thread (not a spoiler, just theory conversation). I agree with Sailing's prediction for the ending. When they first showed the preview last week, I thought it was creative editing--even though it's suspect that they never showed FRC footage. But the fact that Chris specifically said normally I would ask how it's going, reiterating the live ATFR, and again no clips. All signs point to dating both guys and choosing one at ATFR.

As for the rest of TMTA, eh, nothing really earth shattering. Chris was a whiny crybaby and talked way too much. Ryan came off a bit better. Kalon probably wasn't deserving of all of the booing and verbal smack downs. Jeesh. Get over it already, Emily.

[gudgeon]

I think Sean will be the next bachelor. He was like a glowing angel during his whole segment and kept saying how he fell in love (so, admitting "the process" will work for him) but also kept saying that what he learned from getting his heart broken was that he should take a chance on love again.

I absolutely LOVED Emily's smackdown of Kalon. He was such an asshole and is too stupid and to embrace the evil (that he thinks he is) so just came off like a complete loser. I can't believe the things he posted online - why would you even basically attack a CHILD? What kind of punk ass does that? He seemed so utterly shocked that she was so upset and called him on that. How is he so stupid? He seems to really hate women. Ryan was a dufus too, but at least seemed sincere in his dufusness...his line about chasing his wife around the kitchen and spooning her cracked me up. I don't want to date the lunkhead but he seems kind, whereas Kalon seems intentionally hurtful.

I think it's Jef FTW. Even though she talked about liking to kiss Arie, her body language when she kissed Jef was more intimate, IMO. With Arie, he was always the one to caress her face (sign of intimacy) but with Jef, she always caressed his face. Plus she kept saying things like he makes her feel so comfortable and he gets her like no one else does. She doesn't say those things about Arie and I just can't imagine that someone who seems desperate to find a husband and father-figure would choose a mate solely of electric kissing. JMO.

Kalon probably wasn't deserving of all of the booing and verbal smack downs. Jeesh. Get over it already, Emily.

I dunno, based on the things he seems to have posted online about Emily/Ricki, maybe he is the one who needs to get over it and grow up. If he just posted something last week, I think she has every right to bring it up and verbally kick him in the balls over it...


ETA - did you see the jaws drop when she walked out, her boobs like a shelf?! I thought Doug and Sean were going to leap over Chris and...I don't even know what! Their eyes did one of those cartoon socket-popping things. I was cracking up at the affect she seems to have on those men. Very funny.

Edited by gudgeon, Jul 16, 2012 @ 9:37 PM.

[fionab]

Wow. They should bottle that episode and sell it as a side-effect free alternative to Ambien. Well... side effect free except for intense feelings of regret.

They really tried way too hard to make Ryan and Kalon seem evil. Ryan was damn charming tonight. But he doesn't seem to know what arrogant means, which makes him seem like a bit of an idiot. Kalon's baggage twitter joke was pretty amusing - obnoxious, yes, but in character. It doesn't mean he deserved to have his apology to Emily smacked down so nastily. He can makes jokes about his ignominious exit while still being sorry that he hurt Emily. (Not that he was, just that its bitchy as all get out to shit on someone's apology).

Edited by fionab, Jul 16, 2012 @ 9:54 PM.

[TXSforever]

After seeing this, Ryan should have been put on Bachelor Pad instead of Kalon. Especially considering
his and Chris's dislike of each other.

Sean was really golden boy ish. I think they'll be grabbing him or Arie to be The Bachelor.

[lleykian54]

They really tried way too hard to make Ryan and Kalon seem evil.

I didn't think they tried to make Ryan seem evil...just an arrogant tool lacking any kind of self-awareness. But for the most part you could tell he was mostly harmless and other than Chris who dude, seriously, take a chill pill; most of the guy seemed to be amused by Ryan's toolishness and even the audience laughed with him a few times. Now Kalon, well yes, nothing good was going to happen there.

[SaberTail]

All the hero worship of Emily was incredibly annoying. She didn't cure cancer, she was just bland Bachelorette Barbie! "Thank you, Emily, for breaking my heart, I'm a better person now!" Seriously? This woman couldn't even offer decent explanations for most of the men she let go ... all the while I kept wondering who from production wrote her retorts for her. She's nowhere near quick-witted enough to come up with those zingers on her own, bless her heart.

Word, Sailing. Just ... word. (I know, right?)

PINK pants with a navy blazer? I don't think so, Mr. Wolf.

Speaking of hero worship, I don't get the Sean thing. Were all the "Go OOOH and CLAP wildly" signs flashing when "Sean" was mentioned? I can't believe the audience wasn't prompted to glorify the next Bachelor. I mean ... Sean.

Emily tied and then beat Courtney by a long shot in the hair-touching category. Good lord, girl, put some spray on it and it'll stay put without your hands patting it down every two seconds. Ask one of the boys, they could loan you some mousse and jel, no problem.

Ryan wins this episode as best bach ever. He's a tool, yes, but a hilarious one. Loved him.

Gag me that Chris is going from poor broken hearted thing to BP skank. Gross. Way to prostitute yourself, Chris, now that Emily has "opened you up" to finding love. Barf.

Everyone who thinks Emily has had cheek implants (in addition to her dozen or so other plastic surgeries) raise your hand.

He can makes jokes about his ignominious exit while still being sorry that he hurt Emily. (Not that he was, just that its bitchy as all get out to shit on someone's apology).

Emily was being Courtney to Kalon's (last season's) Emily. Remember when (old) Emily tried to apologize to Courtney? And we all know how America felt (feels) about Courtney.

Edited by SaberTail, Jul 16, 2012 @ 10:16 PM.

[kate123]

Due to Chris pointedly not asking Emily how things were going, something tells me Emily pulls a "most shocking rose ceremony ever" and decided to - gasp - date both of them in real life before getting engaged.

I didn't notice that, but yes, that does seem odd. And usually they go around the guys and ask who they think will be the F1 and they ddin't do that either.

As pretty as Sean is, I just don't think he'd make a good "Bachelor." He's too introverted. He has trouble making conversation. (Remember "I forgot what I was going to say.") He just seems so uncomfortable with the cameras around and I don't think he's "loose" enough to juggle multiple romances at the same time. To be the bachelor, you have to be a little bit of a player. And you have to be able to handle the crazy women. And in the end, you have to be a liar in order to keep both woman believing they're the one. I don't think Sean is able to lie.

This MTA was a snooze. Usually they talk to all the guys. Did we really have to see repeats of all the Ryan and Chris stuff? That just happened a few weeks ago, we remember. I wanted to hear about the Vampire Hunter. I wanted Alejandro to say something. I don't care about Ryan and Chris and Kalon. They got enough screen time on the show. And the bloopers were pretty weak.

Now Ryan would be good on Bachelor Pad.

Ryan would be fun hosting Bachelor Pad. Running all those challenges like some kind of super coach.

Edited by kate123, Jul 16, 2012 @ 10:22 PM.

[foxtrot21]

I'm sad most of the other guys didn't say anything at all. Usually at these things a few of them at least chime in with something.

Kalon....no words....WOW.

Placing my bet that Sean is the next Bachelor.

[Maddingcrowd]

My random observations:

Still think Ryan is hot and he is funny as hell. And yes he should say he would still be attracted to her if she got fat, but c'mon, all of the guys were secretly thinking the same thing.

Think Emily needs to get over Kalon-yes he is a bit of a tool but not everyone in the world has to fall in love with you Emily.

Still think she picks no-one-someone else here mentioned she should pick Jef because she feels comfortable with him and just has hot electric chemistry with Arie. Personally, I want red hot electric chemistry first and comfortable later-I wouldn't want my marriage to start out as buddies-it can only go down hill from there.

Chris still seems like a crazy man.

And-Emily still bores the hell out of me. I think these guys dodged a bit bullet. I'm guessing Emily spends all her time looking in a mirror and will expect her future husband to worship her and hang on her every (like, like, like) word. Also think the cat video thing was dreamed up for her to try to look less vapid.

[Jennionthefarm]

Chris isn't young, he has a temperament problem. He may mellow some with age but he is high strung, intense, whatever you want to call it, I wouldn't want to go out on even one date with him.

Ryan is hysterical, The Bachelor of Augusta. It's unusual for someone so arrogant to be so funny too. Or at least so good-natured about being the butt of jokes.

As pretty as Sean is, I just don't think he'd make a good "Bachelor." He's too introverted. He has trouble making conversation. (Remember "I forgot what I was going to say.") He just seems so uncomfortable with the cameras around and I don't think he's "loose" enough to juggle multiple romances at the same time. To be the bachelor, you have to be a little bit of a player. And you have to be able to handle the crazy women. And in the end, you have to be a liar in order to keep both woman believing they're the one. I don't think Sean is able to lie.

Cosign. He's a nice guy, but he's boring. This is the first Bachelor/ette I've watched for years but can TB be a block of wood and it still be an interesting show?

John the Wolfman was looking fine, even with the pink pants. He's the guy that I like the most other than Jef.

I'm guessing Emily spends all her time looking in a mirror and will expect her future husband to worship her and hang on her every (like, like, like) word.

I know it was just a little clip but OF COURSE Emily was putting makeup on and put some on Ricki. I hope she plays ball and that kind of thing with Ricki too.

Edited by Jennionthefarm, Jul 16, 2012 @ 10:33 PM.

[LadyJaney]

As pretty as Sean is, I just don't think he'd make a good "Bachelor." He's too introverted. He has trouble making conversation. (Remember "I forgot what I was going to say.") He just seems so uncomfortable with the cameras around and I don't think he's "loose" enough to juggle multiple romances at the same time. To be the bachelor, you have to be a little bit of a player. And you have to be able to handle the crazy women. And in the end, you have to be a liar in order to keep both woman believing they're the one. I don't think Sean is able to lie.

That may be true. But ya know what, my shallow side wants to see more of his pretty self on camera! He does seem too sweet for the Bachelor franchise, but maybe it would be nice for a change to see a Bachelor not turn into a total douche as the season moves on (like,say...Ben). Or maybe we would see another side to him that does show that. Hard to say. But I do agree that he might be too nice for what they may ask of him.

From what I have read, he is being considered (along with Ally's ex Roberto, blech). Polls listing the two have Sean being the preferred choice by a long shot. But it doesn't sound like any decisions have been made yet. I'm still on team-Sean. Especially after tonight's edit of him.

Moving on...I'm sorry, but Chris still comes of as an angry, creepy guy. His chronic sour-puss was annoying me. And he just answered everything like a bratty, bitter teenage boy, with a chip on his shoulder. I'd be scared to be his girlfriend, just because he seems like you would always have to answer to him. And his clips from the Bachelor Pad made him look like a real douche and a user of several women. So I give Emily credit for dodging that bullet.

Yeah Ryan was funny. Seems to lack self-awareness in a big way, but harmless. I almost could picture him with his "trophy wife" in his "chasing her around the kitchen" scenario. It might just work out with the right lady, and sex with him would probably be good. ;)

Kalon is who he is. He's a jerk and says everything the wrong way, but I think that's just his way. Some people might like it, I'm sure plenty don't. I never really formed much of a like or hate for him from what I saw. But then again, I didn't have to "date" him or live in a house with him. So he was just Kalon.

The rest of the guys were pretty forgettable. With the exception of about five, the others didn't even get a chance to speak. Kind of reminiscant of most of the season...

Emily, you seem sweet, in a fake plastic sort of way. I hope you find what you wanted at the end of all of this.

[Scoutlet]

I think Sean would make a terrible Bach. Far nicer than Jake, but still dull as fuck. I am so sick of my loyalty to a show that seems to care not at all about entertainment value. Roberto is dull, so is Sean. All I want is someone with a personality.

[lleykian54]

Think Emily needs to get over Kalon-yes he is a bit of a tool but not everyone in the world has to fall in love with you Emily.

I don't think Emily needed or wanted Kalon to fall in love with her. She just wanted him to stop being a smug, pretentious asshole about her kid and for whatever faults Emily may have, I don't think that was so unreasonable. I'm sorry but she was right.

Who would take that bullshit "apology" from Kalon when less than a day before he thought what he was said was so awesome that he decided to make jokes about it some more on twitter. The guy's an asshole and his fake teeth were 10x freakier tonight...he was totally giving me American Psycho vibes.

[Joymarie]

So Chris Harrison seemed extra snarky tonight. I guess he was trying to keep us from falling asleep.

I give Chris some credit for owning his bad behavior and saying he was immature, but he's still got issues. It creeps me out when anyone on this show just falls in love and never even things for a moment that the Bachelor/Bachelorette is feeling the same. It seems so narcissistic.

The montage of Sean made him seem more interesting that I remember him being from the season so perhaps he could carry the show. They'd have to have lots of great dates of course. Arie would make a great bachelor. He had lots of snarky talking heads tonight.

[superpole2000]

All this show did was remind me how fake and famewhorish most of these people are and how much I need to look for something else to do on Monday nights.

[Maddingcrowd]

I don't think Emily needed or wanted Kalon to fall in love with her. She just wanted him to stop being a smug, pretentious asshole about her kid and for whatever faults Emily may have, I don't think that was so unreasonable. I'm sorry but she was right

However, it is not in anyone's power to make a person stop being an asshole. If Emily is happily engaged today, why should she care about someone's opinion that she barely knows. If she is still following him on twitter and still waiting for him to apologize, then she cares way too much.

Kalon has expressed several times that what he meant was that taking on a stepchild that you had never met (and would expect to instantly love and worship), is like taking on baggage. While I don't agree on that, he never said anything specific about Ricki. I continue to maintain that Emily was so incredibly angry because she couldn't accept the fact that Kalon or any of the bachelors weren't madly in love with her and Ricki. The fact that she still is dwelling on this today means to me she still expects every guy to worship the ground she walks on.

Kalon at this point is nothing to Emily, yet she still is waiting for him to say "I'm sorry, I really do love you and Ricki". Most of the other batchelorette have had far worse things said to them and still managed to survive.

Edited by Maddingcrowd, Jul 16, 2012 @ 11:59 PM.

[kate123]

Roberto is dull, so is Sean. All I want is someone with a personality.

Ryan as the The Bachelor, but then cast 25 ball-busters as the bachelorettes for him. Oh, would that be fun to watch. Twenty-five women who could see right through his bullshit. By the time he was finished, he would be whipped into husband material and find a woman who might just be good for him. I'd watch that season. If Arie isn't F1, they'd be crazy not to offer it to him. He's the whole package -- funny, loads of personality, handsome, adventurous, well spoken, not a jerk, prodigious kisser, and enough of a player to be able to juggle all those women. If Arie is F1 or refuses, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Wolfner. He could be good and I think he's really hunky.

[Canada]

Where was the black guy?

And why is it that the little douche who went home, because he couldn't deal with being away from his kid, suddenly turns up on Bachelor Pad?

[Palomar]

All signs point to dating both guys and choosing one at ATFR.

I can see HER possibly wanting that, but can't imagine either guy agreeing to that. They've already had to share her all this time and they both are apparently ready to propose to Emily and are looking forward to finally being the only one. I can't imagine them agreeing to share her at the end of all this, trading off weekends until she makes up her mind. Plus, talk about confusing Riki.

[LakeGal]

Sean is a pleasant nice looking guy. But I don't think he would make a good Bachelor. I would rather they pick Arie or Ryan. I think they would both be hilarious. I want a Bachelor that makes me laugh.

Emily looks as plastic as ever. I believe it would be hard work living up to her ideals. Why are all the guys treating her like she is the best woman that ever lived? Being loved by Emily is like a grand victory.

Chris looks like he continues to be a jerk on Bachelor Pad. And Reid and Ed appear to be battling too.

[greyhorse]

I think Sean would be awful as a Bachelor. He's shy and awkward. It took him until the final three to tell Emily he loved her. Maybe he's completely changed now, but I don't think he's gregarious enough to carry a show. I think the next Bachelor will probably be whomever Emily doesn't pick, no? Either Arie or Jef would be a better choice.

Great smackdown of Kalon. I don't think Emily had anybody write her retorts for her, they sounded spontaneous to me. Loved the Prada shoes and helicopter comment. I'm a bit surprised that Kalon didn't just get up and walk away.

Ryan might be an arrogant ass, but he's a funny arrogant ass. Bachelor of Augusta. Hilarious.

[lleykian54]

However, it is not in anyone's power to make a person stop being an asshole. If Emily is happily engaged today, why should she care about someone's opinion that she barely knows. If she is still following him on twitter and still waiting for him to apologize, then she cares way too much.

Kalon has expressed several times that what he meant was that taking on a stepchild that you had never met (and would expect to instantly love and worship), is like taking on baggage. While I don't agree on that, he never said anything specific about Ricki. I continue to maintain that Emily was so incredibly angry because she couldn't accept the fact that Kalon or any of the bachelors weren't madly in love with her and Ricki. The fact that she still is dwelling on this today means to me she still expects every guy to worship the ground she walks on.

Kalon at this point is nothing to Emily, yet she still is waiting for him to say "I'm sorry, I really do love you and Ricki". Most of the other batchelorette have had far worse things said to them and still managed to survive.

This is clearly going to be a YMMV issue but the whole point of the show was for her to address the guys who'd been eliminated. Kalon gives this bullshit apology when she is well aware that a day before he was still being an asshole on twitter and making jokes about the same thing he was supposedly apologizing for. And so, she rightly called him on it and told him he was full of shit.

I don't see where Emily is obsessing over Kalon. Again, the whole point of the show was addressing the guys and he was one of the main "characters" of the season with one of the biggest controversies...so they addressed it. And they did so by her calling his apology fake and a bunch of bullshit because it was. Also, Emily doesn't have to follow Kalon on twitter to know what he said. I'm sure a bunch of people were all too eager to re-tweet it to her.

[Madmarsha]

Personally, I want red hot electric chemistry first and comfortable later-I wouldn't want my marriage to start out as buddies-it can only go down hill from there

Amen. That's why I think she really wants to want Jef -- and, granted, Jef isn't exactly typical "boring nice guy" -- but knows she won't ever have the white hot chemistry with him. I just think she's got to know that Jef's family isn't gonna cotton to some southern bell who can drop f bombs and has had a child out of wedlock and has talked on camera about being too afraid to go to a hotel room with a man who she was dating at the same time as their son because she basically knew she was going to have some more premarital sex. They may be all "supportive" of their son with one "f" and his need to sow his wild oats, but I have to believe that they expect him to return to the flock once he settles down and becomes family man. The family is going to eventually win out.

I loved this MTA and I love how she handled Kalon. And he deserved it. He kept teeing up his doofus-ness and he's a humorless bastard. Ryan, OTOH, also kept teeing it up by telling us how he was going to explain and then made it even worse by his explanation (Ryan, what do you think is the difference between calling a woman a "prize" rather than a "trophy". It's the same thing, sweetie) .... BUT Ryan has a sense of humor. He will always be the same but I agree he's harmless.