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[fionab]

Emily and the boys go to Prague, where, apparently, Chris took some bad absinthe.

Edited by TWoP Mars, Jun 26, 2012 @ 12:14 AM.

[TomGirl]

Good episode, but I could do without looking straight up Jef's nostrils while he's lying on the floor.

[Shugardrawers]

LOL! I thought the same thing! He has very narrow, pinched nostrils! I can see what Emily sees in him now. He's got her ovaries in an uproar and his swimmers are just waiting for the whistle to be blow so they can dive in.

[Scoutlet]

Was anyone else hoping for some marionette sex?

I hate to say this, because I like Emily. But Jef is too funny, hip and iconoclastic for her. She just could not keep up with that puppet improv.

[jlc1967]

This was the first entire episode I've watched all season (though I missed the first 10 minutes) ... Jef is adorable! And despite my aversion to puppets, I was a total sucker for the marionette conversation.

Luckily I have some amnesia from season to season, but I think by this point in every season, everyone knows who the front runners are, right? I mean, it was probably all editing monkeys, but it was curious to me how no one doubted that both Arie and Jef would get roses. Both Chris and "Wolf" knew they were the ones on the bubble. Why in the world would you think -- at this point -- that you could jump ahead? or something like that ...

Honest, I don't actually give a shit about this horrible, misogynist crap BUT, if I did, I'd be curious to review past seasons to see if the pattern is the same: The winners and closest runners up are well established by this point, ie, the front runner doesn't really change after home town dates.

Emily's fake teeth are so regrettable. Also, I want to know what girlfriend would look like if she laid off the Miss Clairol hair dye.

Why is Jef interested in her? Why isn't he more interested in a hipster?

Edited by jlc1967, Jun 25, 2012 @ 9:20 PM.

[torreador]

Looks like Doug was right and Chris is way too young. All of his dumb posturing...he's just postponed he inevitible. No way she's keeping him over any of the other three unless one of the other three has a disasterous home town date.

And interesting about the size of Jef's family (3 sisters - hence the Chloe bag knowledge) and some brothers. Definitely someone who can say he wants a big family. He knows what it means. And liked their conversation talking about the future and how worried Emily is if Jef's family doesn't like her.

And the whole Arie and the producer "drama" .... all that stuff added due to it blowing up on the internet, I'm sure.

ETA: Does anyone know what Jef said to Emily that got bleeped?

Edited by torreador, Jun 25, 2012 @ 9:21 PM.

[KittyPierre]

Whooo-whee,

Jef with the marionettes was probably my favorite Bachelor/Bachelorette moment ever (I mean, as in, an actually nice moment to enjoy, as opposed to all the hideous, tacky moments that give you the shadenfreude joy.)

Poor old Chris. He seems awfully shaky. He seems remarkably shaky. He seems like -- an addict, or something?

Still, I was glad she got rid of the Wolf . . . I mean, REALLY! he seems as emotional as an iceberg lettuce. (So he thinks he really opened up and shared deeply emotional, private stuff? Like how he obsesses over his grandparents' death dates? That wasn't a bonding moment, it was just odd.)

[Firthient]

Well that was disappointing. I can’t believe that was all there was to the Arie and the producer fiasco. Based on the buildup, I was expecting fireworks. Talk about much ado about nothing.

I think Emily made a huge mistake in keeping Chris. She knows that he will not be the recipient of her final rose, so she is only prolonging the agony by involving his family.

[ciaobellame]

ETA: Does anyone know what Jef said to Emily that got bleeped?

He said "I want to date you so hard and marry the fuck out of you". I didn't catch it the first time around, but I saw this on twitter.

Edited by ciaobellame, Jun 25, 2012 @ 9:28 PM.

[msburg]

I was very distracted by Emily's fringe ankle boots on her Jef date. Also, her blue sequined dress for RC was really unflattering. That said, I liked her group date dress, with the sheer white draped over her neck.

I thought her conversation with Jef was a real realtionship conversation. And the fact that she's nervous about the outcome of family time? He still has hand in their realtionship -- she's still trying hard to impress him.

[SilverLake0315]

Jef is adorable. IMO, their one-on-one date sealed it: she's picking him. I would too!

I can't believe I have to watch Chris in another episode. I just wanted him to stand still at the rose ceremony. I will never understand why Emily thinks he's hot. His mouth seriously bothers me, as does his attitude.

[Firthient]

And the fact that she's nervous about the outcome of family time?

Reminded me of how nervous Trista was to meet Ryan's family. She kept wondering if she was dressed appropriately. Jef is cute and adorable. However, he looks much younger than Emily. I question whether he is ready to be a "father". Word on the street is that she latched on to him when she heard he was an entrepreneur, but I think she genuinely likes him.

[Scholls1]

I'm so sorry I didn't see the puppet show - although I believe that perhaps Emily wasn't able to keep up with Jef. I just couldn't after the cheezy scene of the one guy (Sean?) looking throughout the streets of Prague looking for Emily. Really, he was just going to search every street of the city until he found her. Riiiiiiight. And - look, there she is, walking all by herself home from her date. And look again, her lipstick is as fresh as a daisy and she can't wait to kiss him. Magic. Love.

So when the puppet show came up I just couldn't take it so I found something else to do.

Agree that Chris has issues, and would wildly and irresponsibly agree with speculation that drugs are an issue.

I'm just oddly curious about what obligation of 2-3 years is keeping Jef's parents away from the hometime date.

Edited by Scholls1, Jun 25, 2012 @ 9:48 PM.

[jlc1967]

I'm just oddly curious about what obligation of 2-3 years is keeping Jef's parents away from the hometime date.

They're Mormon missionaries. I assume the sister in China is too.

[Shugardrawers]

Jef's parents are mormon missionaries which is why they have a long term commitment.

[bluepencil]

I'm just oddly curious about what obligation of 2-3 years is keeping Jef's parents away from the hometime date.

His father is in charge of the Mormon Church's mission in South Carolina.

[Fallacy]

I'm just oddly curious about what obligation of 2-3 years is keeping Jef's parents away from the hometime date.

Me too. I think Jef was raised Mormon though so it may be that they have some kind of church commitment. I want to know if Jef is still Mormon or not. Emily is not Mormon and that could be a deal breaker, given that the vast majority of practicing Mormons don't marry out of their faith.

I kind of knew John was toast though when he kept talking about being a "closer" and then celebrating "closing the deal." Those statements seemed to reveal that John saw this as a competition first and foremost, and I was hoping Emily had figured that out on her own, even though she didn't get to hear those particular statements. Sure enough, John went home. Of course, she could have also kept Chris out of sheer pity and/or because of producers' orders. I think it's really obvious that she only cares about Arie, Sean, and Jef, so Chris is irrelevant either way.

[Firthient]

I'm just oddly curious about what obligation of 2-3 years is keeping Jef's parents away from the hometime date.

Jef is a Mormon, so, if I had to guess, I'd say they are most likely on a mission.

[Addien]

I have to say the entire puppet scene made me cringe the whole time. It was clear Emily was getting a kick out of it, so I guess it was a "successful" date for them, but it would just embarrass me so much IRL if a guy was doing this dumb marionette thing. IT reminded me of Mr. Garrison's "Mr Hand" from South Park. Just kiss her already!

It did seem like they were having a real conversation, though.

Can't believe she kept Chris on. All of his anger issues, and his wanting to "apologize" for the bad week, is classic abuser behavior - he wants to create a cycle where he does wrong, keeps her scared/wanting to placate him with his anger, and then "apologizes" so he gets to be the white knight. This is a guy who can't stand not being the center of attention (par for the course for TV, I guess) and clearly wants to shame and blame her for her own romantic desires. Bad news, bad bad news.

[Wibnix]

I saw exactly 15 minutes of which Emily was wearing strange sparkly shorts with cowboy boots and looked absolutely moronic. And she was with Arie, and she knew something about Arie that he didn't know she knew so what the fuck else was he keeping from her. I was just completely appalled at her outfit and since it's my birthday, I opted to go out to dinner rather than watch this trainwreck. Now I have to watch online to see the puppets and learn about Jef's Mormon background.

[Arkay]

The vibe from Chris was truly frightening. It seems as though he could turn into a stalker if he can't have her. Not saying he would, don't want to defame anyone, but the extremes of emotion, the nervousness, the outbursts, the feeling that he'd die if he doesn't get to talk to her immediately....bad choice, Emily.
As far as the "Sean searches all Prague for Emily" scene....I like Sean a lot, but this was a cornball producer set-up. As a previous poster mentioned, Sean is "searching everywhere" and voila! Here is Emily all alone, done for the evening, with her mike still on of course.
Jef seems like a spontaneous and fun guy. The mutual attraction is obvious, but I think their worlds are too far apart. I think she finds him intriguing and clearly he's interested in her, but I think down the line he'd get bored. He's intellectually in a different league than Emily.

[kate123]

He's got her ovaries in an uproar and his swimmers are just waiting for the whistle to be blow so they can dive in.

Hahahahaha! Jef said all the right things, laid out the fairytale for her -- Christmas morning, sleepovers, blah, blah, blah. And I see the little thought bubble above Emily's head and she's furiously putting scrapbooks together. I was also thinking "bye-bye, Arie." Nice knowing you.

Fave line had to be (and I got this off the web because I wanted to word it the right way) was when Jef was speaking through his puppet: I am one million percent in love with you and I can’t even imagine what I would do without you in my life. Can we … get a dog together? (I laughed out loud.)

Least favorite line by Jef: I want to date you so hard and marry the f--k out of you. (Ick, ick, ick!)

Sean, you're very pretty, but your conversational abilities might be put to better use talking to your dog. I just don't see it. He's pretty and shiny, but not very interesting. Kind of like Emily.

I do see trouble on the horizon though. Jef said that his parents had put the kabosh on one of his girlfriends that he brought home. He's mentioned that Emily will not be meeting his parents on the hometown date. She is being soooo careful here. How is she going to commit to Jef if she hasn't met those parents? I'd suspect that the kabosh has something to do with Jef's parents wanting him to marry a Mormon -- which Emily clearly is not.

Edited by kate123, Jun 25, 2012 @ 10:49 PM.

[PetuniaP]

Jef, how have you gone from worst to first in my estimation? Better question...can you go to first with Emily??? I still see crazy chemistry between Emily and Arie but Jef is coming on strong...I think she has real feelings for him as well and hometown dates could tip the scales. I loved the marionette conversation and I totally swooned at "I want to date you so hard and marry the fuck out of you". Hot! Arie is coming off smarmy to me now compared to Jef. I can't see their relatonship lasting though and that's the big barrier.

Chris was *vibrating* at the rose ceremony. What a head case. I wish Emily had one more guy to choose from so she could send his overly emotional ass home. His youth showed tonight and it was not flattering.

Sean, you are so hot. Can I please date you for a month after Emily dumps you?

Edited by PetuniaP, Jun 25, 2012 @ 10:38 PM.

[seasonedsusan]

There's something about Chris that reminds me of Alec Baldwin and not just in looks. The remaining three are all great contenders. We never really hear about some of the more important aspects of a relationship like religion and politics and careers etc. I can sure see where the next few eliminations are going to be extremely difficult for Emily.

Edited by seasonedsusan, Jun 26, 2012 @ 12:29 AM.

[LadyJaney]

And the whole Arie and the producer "drama" .... all that stuff added due to it blowing up on the internet, I'm sure.

Yeah, I was getting the vibe of a re=edit throughout. Between Chris H's commentary from the front of the mansion, to the weird camera footage on their date that didn't match up with the rest of the camera work. Then, in their evening date, Arie was talking to her but you couldn't see his face or his mouth moving. To me, it looked and sounded like a dubbing in of a voice to prior footage. I don't know, it just looked revamped.

AndI get why he didn't bother to mention it. Imean, if he briefly dated this girl ten years before, she is probably so removed from his life that it was never a factor and worth bringing up. But, of course, itmade for good TV/Emily drama.

Chris is just creepy. Seems threatening almost with his serious, hand-wringing angst. Too intense and creepy for me, I'm surprised Emily kept him.

Sean is still lovely, and Jef seems very real with her. Can't wait for the home visits.

[Kali12]

I'm very surprised that a Mormon would go on this show--and then not bring religion up right away. Even if TB wasn't a Mormon, his family is and they would disapprove of Emily because of it; it's a given. Have we seen Jef drink? I don't think so.

I do have one question. If your bf/gf disappears, I understand calling hospitals. But why would you call prisons?

[lleykian54]

I have to say the entire puppet scene made me cringe the whole time. It was clear Emily was getting a kick out of it, so I guess it was a "successful" date for them, but it would just embarrass me so much IRL if a guy was doing this dumb marionette thing.

I thought what was cute about the scene was that they were re-enacting their relationship up to that point and in a way were using the puppets to say stuff they didn't say to each other at that time. Like Emily making the puppet say how nervous she was when he pulled up and how cool she thought he was and hoped that he liked her.

And I thought Jef's making his puppet's knees shake was priceless and of course the scene when she was asking to speak to him and he was like, "yeah no, not right now" which was like an exact recreation of the second episode and the first group date with him, where she still ended up giving him the rose. It was also interesting that Jef used the puppet to say he loved her but when talking to her kept saying that he liked her instead.

I picked Jef from the second episode and I'm sticking with that and I picked him way back then because it seemed fascinating to me that with all the guys there fighting for Emily, she seemed really interested by a guy who was sort of wary and keeping her a little at arm's length. Their conversations tonight cemented to me that he is probably her pick.

I was surprised when on their 1-1 date in England she asked him about what their life would be like if she moved to Salt Lake. It surprised me that she even considered moving. Tonight, listening to her talk about picturing his office, them talking about what kind of parents they would be and her face when he said if his parents didn't like her she'd be gone (she looked terrified) pretty much cemented it for me.

The Arie/producer thing turned out to be nothing like I knew it would be and at this point I'm not even certain that a lot of that stuff wasn't added in later, for dramatic effect, after they realized it had leaked that Arie knew the producer. I always felt like Arie and Emily's relationship was mostly lust and tonight reconfirmed that for me.

She talked an awful lot about liking to kiss him and his being a good kisser but not much else. And her reaction to his "I love you" was priceless...she clearly did not feel the same. Sure she said he made her the happiest woman but her face and her reaction in the PI was pretty telling. She looked slightly freaked.

Meanwhile Chris is a total weirdo and while John is boring as all hell and they had sub-zero chemistry, I definitely think she would have done better to let Chris go because what's the point...she clearly has more of a "connection" with Arie, Jef and Sean so he's basically on borrowed time and worse now she's involved meeting his family to the situation.

Also, eww, Sean is a horrible kisser. I kept seeing his tongue doing this weird slithering thing when he and Emily were kissing in the pub. And he always looks so orange...or is that just my television?

I do have one question. If your bf/gf disappears, I understand calling hospitals. But why would you call prisons?

lmao...that totally made me go, "wait, what kind of girls were you dating dude?"

I'm very surprised that a Mormon would go on this show--and then not bring religion up right away. Even if TB wasn't a Mormon, his family is and they would disapprove of Emily because of it; it's a given. Have we seen Jef drink?

We have seen him drink and he confirmed in an interview that he still has his faith and beliefs but that he's not a practicing Mormon anymore. And considering how casually he drops the F-bomb, I buy it.

Edited by lleykian54, Jun 25, 2012 @ 10:59 PM.

[nospin]

Jef's parents are mormon missionaries which is why they have a long term commitment.

This could be a turnoff for Emily.

[Winnie Rose]

Least favorite line by Jef: I want to date you so hard and marry the f--k out of you. (Ick, ick, ick!)

I'll be honest, this is probably my favorite line from Jef, if not from this entire season so far. I thought it was funny, sweet, and hot all at the same time. Jef, if this Emily thing doesn't work out, call me.

Is this the earliest a contestant has told TB that they're in love with him/her? I feel like usually it happens later, around top 4/3/2. I was surprised it came from Arie, too.

[zigbazag]

It seems some think Doug was the "Plant".

Nobody would suspect the plant to be a father. He never seemed into Emily. He apologized for putting his hand on her lap, though she'd been kissing other men. At times, he'd practically cheer the other guys on. He approached Emily after Kalon essentially called Ricki "baggage", yet she claimed none of the men had her back. Doug, being the plant, wouldn't count.

Not sure if I believe it, but it's interesting to ponder.