Theon Greyjoy: That's "Prince Theon" To You
Posted Apr 13, 2013 @ 10:20 AM
(BTW, I didn't invent the name 'Screwfoot,' saw it in another thread, someone's else's clever invention)
Posted Apr 14, 2013 @ 10:39 PM
So good thing that guy was a bowman.
Posted Apr 15, 2013 @ 2:59 AM
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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 11:11 AM
I feel bad for Theon because he grew up with such a chip on his shoulder. He was treated very well but he was still a hostage taken from his family, he spent his youth imagining how his life should have been if he was raised as the heir to the ironborn. Jealous of Robb being the heir to his father, knowing he could never fit in. He has screwed up, MAJORLY, and made his situation worse instead of better, but I can empathize with his struggle. I think it's very telling when he was asked if Robb lorded it over him, his response was basically "um, yes, he did, just by being himself". It's not logical but it's so human that he felt slighted by Robb - who was never anything but nice to him - just because he saw in him what he had lost and could never be part of. They didn't have to "do" anything to him deliberately, he did it in his own psyche.
This is why I find the Theon character so interesting, and especially Alfie Allen's interpetation of it (which I hope gets recognized in some fashion come awards season). It would've been so easy to just write this character off as "blarg I'm evil" but in his screwed up mind there is at least a reason behind his actions that make sense to himself. I'm not saying he's deserving of anyone's pity, but I like that they gave this character motivations and now have him realizing that those motivations were completely off. So often you see characters stubbornly stick with their motivations regardless of how things have turned out for them. Its actually somewhat refreshing to see a bad guy look at himself and say, "Dude, you screwed up...big time."
Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 12:11 PM
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Posted Apr 22, 2013 @ 11:34 PM
That also reminds me that near the end of season 2 he complained about being told he should be grateful for the Starks, but we never saw anything like that. The only time anyone reminded him of his status as prisoner was when Luewin pointed out that a prisoner like Osha can still be a guest.
Posted Apr 23, 2013 @ 2:50 AM
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Posted May 6, 2013 @ 12:30 AM
When his tormenter talked about things to cut off that Theon wouldn't need I was sure we were going to get a castration scene, but instead I think it will be much slower.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 6:39 PM
I still remember that scene where he said he was Robb's brother, now and always. No pity.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 9:02 PM
The tormenter summed it up pretty well in a couple of mocking sentences: 'Awww, your daddy was mean to you? The Starks didn't *appreciate* you enough?' That, in a nutshell, pretty much summed up Theon's motivation for the horrendous choices he made, the awful crimes he committed against the Starks. I always think back to that scene when Theon takes Winterfell and barges into Bran's bedroom where Bran's awakened from sleep and Theon is preening and bragging--'I took Winterfell. It's mine. I took it.' And little Bran looks at him a moment and then says, sincerely: 'Why?' And then, 'Theon? Did you always hate us?'
Weak, weak Theon, always wanting to Be Somebody. BTW, Alfie Allen is owning this character.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 10:04 PM
....And it just hit me: Ros just died from her torture and, caught up as he was on his own torture, Theon doesn't even know it.
Its oddly sad considering their on-again-off-again relationship from season 1.
Edited by wildling, May 6, 2013 @ 10:06 PM.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 11:11 PM
Should theads title be changed to something that better describes Theon's current state? Not that the title actually has to change but I'm trying to find a better ironic or funny way to discribe the current Theon. Spent awile on TV tropes but could not find something that fit well maybe someone else could do better? I thought of Theon Westros' chew toy or buttmonkey was part way there but they did not fit that well.
Posted May 6, 2013 @ 11:31 PM
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 12:00 AM
Tywin Lannister overturns Hell and Earth to bring back his sons, one of whom he despises. Tywin, who is properly recognized as a shit father, is looking pretty good next to Balon Greyjoy. Even though Tywin's primary motivation is to protect the Lannister brand, at least he recognizes the importance of family.
Meanwhile, Greyjoy makes no visible effort to bring his true son back to the fold. What a miserable prick!
"What is Dead may Never Die"? It looks like your family name is going to die very soon.
I feel sorry for Theon.
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 12:47 AM
I'm glad he didn't get away, he ordered two boys dead even if they weren't Starks. He deserves pain.
Theon might deserve to die for his crimes but I don't have enough hate in my heart that he should be humiliated, tortured, and then killled. A clean Stark dearth is the worst anyone should get.
Also, Theon is remorseful. That counts, a little, in my book.
Nothing he can do can bring back the dead but I wouldn't see a man suffer like he is.
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 12:49 AM
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 7:40 AM
Should theads title be changed to something that better describes Theon's current state?
Theon Greyjoy: I've made a huge mistake.
Though I suppose that could also describe most of the characters.
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 8:15 AM
Theon Greyjoy: You can call me 'No Little Finger.'
Posted May 7, 2013 @ 9:05 AM
Theon Grejoy: ''My fingers are crossed'' or ''My *daddy* doesn't love me''
Posted May 8, 2013 @ 12:58 AM
In the first season Maester Luewin reminded him that being a guest is not mutually exclusive with being a prisoner. That actually provides a bit of continuity between that season and this one.
Edited by FictionIsntReal, May 8, 2013 @ 12:59 AM.
Posted May 10, 2013 @ 7:27 AM
Just a question about Theon: did his mother die giving birth to him?
Posted May 10, 2013 @ 7:44 AM
I don't think it's been said on screen what happened to Theon's mother. Isn't Yara younger than him, though?
In the books:
Posted May 10, 2013 @ 7:53 AM
Yara's older. Remember she tells him a story about him as a baby. I don't think they've mentioned his mother at all on the show, but considering he never saw her when he went back to Pyke, I think we could guess that she's dead.
Posted May 10, 2013 @ 8:10 AM
Oh, wow, I completely forgot that scene. Thanks Scribbly!