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[TWoP Mars]

From TVGuide.com:

Episode Synopsis: Part 1 of 2. Walter reluctantly revisits his painful past after terrifying cases of spontaneous human combustion. Meanwhile, the future of both universes is at stake when the Fringe team faces David Robert Jones in the mother of all battles. Original Air Date: May 4, 2012

[The Bullpen]

Noooo... not Astrid! UGHHH!

[Ulkis]

Peacoat!

Astrid being badass!

also, I gasped when Astrid got shot. I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've ever gasped watching Fringe. don't you dare show. DON'T YOU DARE.

[prodigalchicken]

Holy mother that was intense. Astrid!!! Was anyone else screaming, "please don't fucking kill Peter!" at any point? And the previews. Oh, the shit that is going down next week. Peter's desperate "Noooo!" in the preview. . .I don't think my heart can handle this finale.



PS--PEACOAT goodness!



Calming mantra: always darkest before the dawn, always darkest before the dawn, always darkest before the dawn. We're going to get a happy season finale ending. Right? Right? Someone hold me.

Edited by prodigalchicken, May 4, 2012 @ 9:04 PM.

[quarks]

Fringe, don't you DARE kill off Astrid.

(They wouldn't, would they?)

(would they?)

(gulp)

[BuddhaBelly]

Not Astrid!!!! OMG

What the hell is Bell playing at?

[AimingforYoko]

Not Alex!
So DRJ goes out with a whimper. I guess that a fair trade with getting Bell back.

[bagert]

The glyph: P-O-W-E-R-S [Indeed.]

Hmm...that chuckle sounds like Leonard Nimoy...maybe they got him to dub his voice...WHAT????????!!!!!!!!!?????????

(I wonder if when he came in for his scenes, they told Nimoy that Walter would cut off his hand in the future LOL.)

I counted four shots of Verizon smartphones before the first glyph :P

Alex???? (Good comeback, Astrid!)

Creatures!!!

Oh, no - Astrid! :(

[cycat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I do not accept this.

[thunderwolf429]

No! Not Astrid! Not after she got all kick ass on those guys! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

(I also gasped when she was shot. I haven't done that while watching a show in... ever.)

P.S. Is it weird that I squee'ed with joy at the sight of the real Leonard Nimoy? Not a voice, not a stand in hiding in the shadows. I like to think of it as a tribute to the greatness of this show that he would agree to appear.

Edited by thunderwolf429, May 4, 2012 @ 9:04 PM.

[ReadIshmael]

You mean Astrid finally gets a chance to be an actual agent instead of Walter's assistant, and she gets shot for it? Bullshit. Bullshit times infinity if they actually just killed her off.

I really liked the episode up until that point, though it would have kind of been cool if we didn't know Walter was right about Bell being alive, or if it had seemed like there were any stakes related to him not being believed (besides, you know, the end). And Bell's sacrifice of Jones was really easy to see coming, too, and thus wasn't a terribly fitting farewell to him. But Olivia got to use her powers, and Rebecca Mader is lovely and adorable, and all the stuff in the first half with the nanites and the spotaneous combustion was really cool.

[prodigalchicken]

We know Astrid is alive in 2036. . .so how does she survive what looks to be a deadly injury? Belly or Olivia's doing, I am guessing.

[lizw65]

The glyph: P-O-W-E-R-S

OK, for the first time ever I was trying to follow the glyph as I watched. I got...wait for it...O-O-W-F-R-S.
Astrid isn't really dead! Is she? We saw her in the future, so she can't be. Right? Right?

[Ulkis]

Holy mother that was intense. Astrid!!! Was anyone else screaming, "please don't fucking kill Peter!" at any point? And the previews.

Peter's the only one I wasn't worried about. He already "died" last season.

Fringe, don't you DARE kill off Astrid.

(They wouldn't, would they?)

(would they?)

(gulp)

I think Bell will actually whip up a last minute fix probably. I hope. But next season? I'm afraid for her. The thing is I never even thought they would think to touch Astrid for some reason, I don't know. I don't know, if our main three escape unscathed at the end of the series and Astrid is dead I would kind of find that cheap, so, if Astrid dies, one of the main three have got to go with her, haha.

Oh, anyone noticed John Noble's daughter in the credits? I couldn't tell which role she played though.

Edited by Ulkis, May 4, 2012 @ 9:09 PM.

[The Bullpen]

Hmm... is Astrid gonna get rushed to Rebecca Mader's ER? (I'm half joking.)

[swingkidpt]

I'm going to assume that the 2036 episode is this universe's future and so Astrid can't be dead. That being said, don't cross the streams, Olivia! How does she not know Ghostbusters?
She is so nesting, IE pregnant.

Leonard Nimoy is looking good, how did they convince him to come out of semi-retirement? He must love the show too.

Goodbye, David Robert Jones. You will be missed.

[Shelley Bee]

I like to think of it as a tribute to the greatness of this show that he would agree to appear.

Especially since he's been killed off several times. I thought that, even though he believes in the show, he was done with acting. And I thought that when he appeared frozen in amber in the flash forward episode a few weeks ago, he could have been a CGI creation.

I don't think Rebecca Mader was telling the truth about who she was. I think she was bait.

[Ageha]

Calming mantra: always darkest before the dawn, always darkest before the dawn, always darkest before the dawn. We're going to get a happy season finale ending. Right? Right? Someone hold me.

We're just going to have to form one large ball of hugs, I think!


Most of my reactions tonight went a lot like this: !!!!!!!!!!...*get out of chair*...!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and a lot of swearing (just at general excitement) and hitting the table next to me.


Also, I can't believe I missed it..but where was The Peacoat?


ETA:

How does she not know Ghostbusters?

I wondered the same thing! If she were younger I wouldn't blame her, but we're the same age so she ought to know!

Edited by Ageha, May 4, 2012 @ 9:14 PM.

[mysticowl]

Astrid! No!

You know what I didn't like? Whenever a higher ranking bad guy shows up in fiction, the previous big bad, who has up until that moment been very threatening and dangerous and scary, gets immediately downgraded to bumbling mook. Why the hell did I waste all this time being terrified of what DRJ was planning only to have him become immediately a lesser man in Bell's presence, to the point where he's personally handling hand-to-hand combat and install-a-thingamajigger assignments? Ugh!

Is it just me, or did the X on those nanobots look exactly like the X on Mr. X's t-shirt? Does this mean Bell is Mr. X after all?

[bagert]

Wait a second - if Bell is behind "The Pattern" of the last several years - how was he behind it in the original timeline?

[prodigalchicken]

Ageha, when Peter and Olivia were disabling the satellites, he was wearing the peacoat. Also, did anyone notice that Olivia's wine looked completely untouched. Yeah, I think that was a deliberate wine shot.

[AimingforYoko]

Goodbye, David Robert Jones. You will be missed.

He's been transported to the 60's, where he's kicking Pete Campbell's ass.

[shapeshifter]

I'm going with Chekhov's Pig Brain Lemon Cake:
If you see a Pig Brain Lemon Cake heal itself in the first part of a season finale, someone will eat (or be fed) the cake in the second part of the season finale to get healed/resurrected.
Astrid being seen by us in 2036 doesn't count because it could be the way 2036 was from our viewpoint of last week before she was shot, or it could be another version of a universe or another 'verse altogether.
No, Chekhov's Pig Brain Lemon Cake is my story, and I'm stickin' with it. Heh.

So, Bell is one of the good guys? He psyched DRJ out.

[Ageha]

I do have to agree with you on that. I take notes during the episode and I wrote down "Wha...this makes Jones look a lot less competent." On the other hand, since Jones was ultimately beaten rather easily by Peter and Olivia back in season one (when Peter shut down the gate), this kind of goes along with it, this rather simple death.

[Ulkis]

Also, I can't believe I missed it..but where was The Peacoat?

Heh, Ageha, I remember at the beginning of the season you were sad there was no peacoat and I was like OH IT WILL COME BACK FOR SURE and then I felt really bad because I really did think we were never gonna see it again. So I feel happy on a fannish level and also good that I didn't falsely reassure you after all. It only took about 7 months! :)

[johntfs]

Did anyone else think, Well, no shit, Sherlock! when DRJ started talking about himself being the sacrifice. I figured that out during the chess scene with Bell. Also, I'm pretty sure that Astrid will be some version of okay. They dropped a pretty heavy hint during that bit about Cortexiphan having "regenerative properties." Although it would be cool if Astrid got superpowers from it. I will say that if Astrid got actually killed to be replaced by the red-headed British woman, I will be deeply furious with the whole universe.

[Turkish]

Not my Astrid! This better be a fakeout. I swear to God, show, if you do this to me....

I should have known something was up because Astrid was all over this episode and she usually doesn't get this much screentime. Please don't die, Astrid!

This Rebecca Mader character has got to be working with Bell but I'm hoping this isn't what they think it is and Bell isn't really trying to destroy the world. One thing I will absolutely not except though is her being a replacement for Astrid next season. I will be furious. Hopefully, Astrid will be miraculously healed next episode otherwise Walter will never be the same again.

Edited by Turkish, May 4, 2012 @ 9:23 PM.

[Money Magnet]

So that's the end of Jones, just like that? Oh well.

The showrunners kept Nimoy's return a secret -- by lying their heads off! :-)

Of course Astrid won't die; of course Olivia with her (now) regenerative Cortexiphan powers will be able to heal her.

I'm glad this isn't the first part of the series finale, because it was a bit frenetic. I can buy this version of Bell being morally black, because Bell was always kind of morally gray; but to be honest, we haven't spent much time at all this season contemplating William Bell (which I thought was the sole real weakness to Season 4 - Bell being dead and gone). Now we've got an hour left for it to be convincingly illustrated how this version of Bell went to the dark side. A world where William Bell has gone off the reservation is a bad one indeed, and it's going to take all of Walter's powers of "good science" to counterbalance that.

Not sure how I felt about the rooftop bit where Olivia threw punches for Peter. That was a bit iffy.

But the banter between Walter and Astrid was lovely and perfect - the whole bit with the lemon cake and "peace out."

This episode reminded me of "6:02 AM EST" which wasn't one of my favorites, but this one was better than the earlier one.

[kariyaki]

Loved the episode. Leonard Nimoy, Rebecca Mader, a building blowing up a la Independence Day, Astrid getting to kick ass and shoot people (she's NOT dead, dammit), Olivia tapping into her powers more-- and deliberately!

I noticed that the elevator music in the beginning of the episode was Billy Idol's "Eyes without a Face" so I was pretty much waiting for some gross face-melting to happen. And I got it. Nice foreshadowing!

[Olivia] is so nesting, IE pregnant.

Oh yeah, Olivia is totally pregnant. She wants a house with a nursery, potentially abandoned families are freaking her out, pointedly not drinking... She probably hasn't confirmed it but she suspects.

Is it just me, or did the X on those nanobots look exactly like the X on Mr. X's t-shirt? Does this mean Bell is Mr. X after all?

I totally noticed the X on the nanites. It's exactly the same as the man Olivia identified as her future killer.

[Ageha]

prodigalchicken

when Peter and Olivia were disabling the satellites, he was wearing the peacoat.

Thanks! I'm a bit ashamed I didn't notice. :(

Heh, Ageha, I remember at the beginning of the season you were sad there was no peacoat and I was like OH IT WILL COME BACK FOR SURE and then I felt really bad because I really did think we were never gonna see it again. So I feel happy on a fannish level and also good that I didn't falsely reassure you after all. It only took about 7 months! :)

LOL You just squeaked by! It sort of felt like they were deliberately not using it, as a way to separate Before and Now. I wonder if he's wearing it again as a visual symbol that All is Completely Right (at least personally). ;)