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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 12:29 PM

But the real treat in this subject comes after the main credits when we get an extra scene were we see the guy Loki dealt with during the movie reporting back to his boss. Regular viewers wont understand any more than they did the rest of the movie, but comic book readers will know exactly who he is and exactly what hes after.


North American audiences are actually getting a second extra scene at the end as well. Guess it's a reward for having gotten it so late. Anyway, it's a funny silly little scene that plays on one of Stark's jokes at the end.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 3:33 PM

Even the Hulk, sorry the other guy managed to be funny. After they had fought a bunch those alien things they crashed into Central Station? Hulk and Thor pick themselves up and Hulk just punches Thor in the face and he goes flying off screen, that was hilarious, the whole theater laughed.


That sucker punch is one of my favorite moments in the movie, cause Thor totally deserves it.

Hopefully someone here can help me out on a question: right after Hulk finishes up tossing Loki around like a rag doll in the penthouse of Stark Tower, does he have dialogue? Everyone in my theater was laughing so hard, if Hulk said something (one of my friends assumes it's something along the lines of "Puny God") we missed it.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 4:07 PM

North American audiences are actually getting a second extra scene at the end as well. Guess it's a reward for having gotten it so late. Anyway, it's a funny silly little scene that plays on one of Stark's jokes at the end.

Argh! There was a second extra scene? Gosh darn it, I'll have to see it again.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 8:10 PM

Argh! There was a second extra scene? Gosh darn it, I'll have to see it again.


It's online. I didn't see it in the theater but I wish I had! It's great.

Hopefully someone here can help me out on a question: right after Hulk finishes up tossing Loki around like a rag doll in the penthouse of Stark Tower, does he have dialogue? Everyone in my theater was laughing so hard, if Hulk said something (one of my friends assumes it's something along the lines of "Puny God") we missed it.


Yep, it was "Puny god." The capper though was Loki's dazed expression!

Oh BTW I loved the movie.

Edited by Limbonaut, May 4, 2012 @ 8:19 PM.


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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 8:54 PM

It's been taken down. :(

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 9:26 PM

Since superheroes started making the transition to live action, by far the hardest things to translate has been the literal action and the larger-than-life sorts of stories. Superman II, in the very early period, delivered some decent-looking stuff, but the technology really wasn't all there. Most of the movies in the post-X-Men world have tried to play down some of the more fanciful elements of the genre -- Marvel's own Thor, a part of this series, was pretty out there, but went out of its way to tone down the magic in favour of science. Fantastic Four shows the downside of this, where they completely stripped what should have been the most adventurous Marvel property of its wonder. I don't know if this movie is more "magical" per se, but in terms of both scope and live action fights this sets a new bar. All future superpowered action movies will be measured against this.

After so many movies worth of buildup, Whedon knits things together fairly efficiently, and so many pieces have been put in place that things start running very quickly.

The cast all works fairly well. Some characters feel a bit more unmored from their settings than others (Captain America most pronouncedly, though in a way that's fitting; but the movie mostly leaves his character arc for his next solo movie). Iron Man and the two characters basically introduced here (Black Widow and Hawkeye) feel most at home, and Banner slips in very seamlessly. I'm still not entirely sure I like Johansson as the Widow. She's not bad in the fight scenes (the opening chair scene features a few poor stagings, but that's not her fault), and is a good actress, but she never really feels foreign, which this movie confirms that Natasha is supposed to be; she doesn't have the sense of mystery that I think the Widow should have.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 9:57 PM

Here's the second after credits scene

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:10 PM

She's not bad in the fight scenes (the opening chair scene features a few poor stagings, but that's not her fault), and is a good actress, but she never really feels foreign, which this movie confirms that Natasha is supposed to be; she doesn't have the sense of mystery that I think the Widow should have.


She's actually not, though, and that's a key point of her conversation with Clint after she's beaten Loki's control out of him - she's assimilated to the point that she's, for all intents and purposes, a woman without a country. Barton's comment about being "unmade" has unintentional double meaning when you consider that he's playing another badass with identity issues - yet another incarnation of Jason Bourne.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:17 PM

She's still Russian-born (I don't have a problem with the accent, unlike some people, because Natasha's supposed to be a master spy). More generally, the Widow is supposed to be a mysterious sort of character; someone you imagine has a lot in reserve. I don't get that from Johansson. She's got it all on her sleeve.

Emily Blunt, Marvel's original choice for the part, would probably have brought more of that.

Edited by Colonel Green, May 4, 2012 @ 10:18 PM.


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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:22 PM

Thanks, samsnee!

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:25 PM

I don't understand why people don't stay all the way through the credits, especially for superhero movies/wacky comedies and ESPECIALLY on opening night before they have heard one way or the other if there's an extra scene. My theater was jam packed for the 7:30 show this evening with an extremely enthusiastic crowd, and by the end there were fewer than 50 people watching the final post credits scene.

Props to the three(!) year old sitting next to me who was there with his mom. He was very well behaved and hardly said anything except for Is this Spiderman? when the movie was beginning. Poor little guy. I'm guessing he'll be at R-rated movies before kindergarten.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:33 PM

I mean seriously? This is a popcorn action flick.



Yeah, a really boring one, in my opinion. It's fine if other people liked it but I'm saying I didn't and I was fighting off yawns throughout the whole thing.

You weren't comparing it to The Ultimates you were comparing it to Nolan's Batman, which is Apples and Oranges. Nolan grounded Batman as realistically as he could, it's a movie about a comic book character, but I'd argue that Nolan's Batman is not a Superhero movie. Batman is not really a superhero. The Avengers are.

Millar's revamp did not 'lead' to the Avengers movie.


Ok, let's compare it to Nolan's Batman then, shall we? Compared to the The Dark Knight, everything was cohesive in TDK: the characters were three-dimensional, everything made sense and there was no "action for action's sake." Here there were all these pointless Iron Man vs Cap vs Thor vs Hulk moments which were pandering to the fanboys.

Let's see... Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, check. Hulk's cage in the Triskelion looking being the same as his cell in the Hovercarrier, check... Captain America's anomie, check. Chitauri invasion in the first arc, check.. What am I missing here?

Look, I didn't like the movie because it bored me to tears. There were funny moments but I didn't find anything particularly enjoyable or exciting about it. The whole plot was A + B + C = Yay, rote superhero movie.

If other people liked it, that's fine, I'm saying I want my 15 bucks back because I found it boring. I don't see why people should find a differing opinion particularly offensive.

Edited by print_whore, May 4, 2012 @ 10:35 PM.


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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 10:49 PM

Let's see... Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, check. Hulk's cage in the Triskelion looking being the same as his cell in the Hovercarrier, check... Captain America's anomie, check. Chitauri invasion in the first arc, check.. What am I missing here?

It takes some inspiration from the Ultimate U, just like the other Marvel movies -- but the characters' personalities have always been primarily their 616 versions. So, for instance, Captain America is not Millar's parody of Bush-era jingoism; the Hulk isn't an irredeemable monster; Iron Man isn't a parody of a few issues of the 616 version's history.

Comparing the Avengers to Batman doesn't really make much sense to me, because they're completely different sorts of stories. The Avengers are about scope and spectacle with a team of superpowered heroes, while Batman has always had a lot more character stuff and grittiness.

Edited by Colonel Green, May 4, 2012 @ 10:50 PM.


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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 11:31 PM

Just got back; I, like most people here, thought it was very, very good. Whedon had a great grip on the ensemble, as each character retained their own clearly-defined personality and had one or two great moments in the spotlight. The cast also had great chemistry--Johansson and Renner in particular sold their relationship in like thirty total seconds of screentime, and Hemsworth played very well off of the others in what was probably the lowest-key of the main roles (unlike the others, Thor didn't really have a character arc, though I agree with the poster above who said that CH communicated Thor's maturation with nothing more than body language). Plus, the movie was genuinely funny. Hulk punching out Thor was hilarious, as was him beating up Loki, but overall the crowd I was with was laughing constantly, and that's a tribute to Whedon's script. Other particularly funny bits included the running gag with Coulson's trading cards, Thor's "you don't have those here??", and Cap's so earnest "I got that reference!"

From this moment forward, no one other than Whedon is ever allowed to write Black Widow, Pepper Potts, or Maria Hill. You can tell that Black Widow was (unsurprisingly) Whedon's favorite character, and after her depiction in Iron Man 2, that was really nice to see. She was just such a total badass, and ScarJo really exceeded my expectations (I didn't think she was that great in IM2, but now I'm thinking it was just the script there.) This movie also highlighted how much a well-written Pepper really helps Tony's characterization, and RDJ and GP continue to have chemistry to burn. When Jarvis quietly asked Tony whether he should call Pepper, and Tony was all "yeah, sure," it was surprisingly touching.

If I had one gripe, I'd say it's that I do wish we'd had more on Loki--Tom Hiddleston was even better here than he was in Thor, but I'd always interpreted him as pretty conflicted and absolutely still redeemable at the end of that movie, and here he was uber-uber-evil from the get go. It didn't make the movie completely unbelievable or anything, but I felt like they could have made the movie ten minutes longer and added some really meaty Loki stuff. Hiddleston is just so damn talented. Alas. Overall, though, that's a fairly minor gripe--the movie was really, really well done. It did not feel like two and a half hours, it was perfectly paced. I'll probably go again, and I'd go again in 3D--generally I'm not a huge fan, but this movie used it effectively.

ETA:

Thor's "He's adopted" line drew a lot of laughs as well.

Yeah, that one was good. I also loved Pepper and Coulson ganging up on Tony--that was a nice quiet friendship, I am sad it is no more. And Maria Hill had the best deadpan expression in the entire movie when she said "he turns." I guffawed.

Edited by stealinghome, May 5, 2012 @ 12:25 AM.


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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 11:46 PM

A+

I just got back from it. Amazing movie. Along with The Dark Knight, easily the best superhero film ever made. It balanced out all the action with a lot of character development and humor. Impressive FX too and I agree the battle of New York presented here puts anything Michael Bay has done in Transformers to shame.

The film is long but it takes a lot of time to build its characters and its appreciated. Everyone gets an opportunity to shine. I think I have to call out Tom Hiddleston again. He stole the show in Thor and did a pretty damn good job here in Avengers. I remember concern on this board after Thor about Hiddleston playing a more outwardly evil Loki in The Avengers. There's definitely nothing to worry about. While Loki is more outwardly evil here, Hiddleston still manages to portray him with some nuance. He's going to be a major star very soon.

Downey rebounds nicely from the disappointing Iron Man II and is in great form. Evans and Hemsworth continue to do great work with their characters. I hated the first Hulk movie and wasn't crazy about the second one but Mark Ruffalo makes me want to see one with him as the star. His Banner is absolutely terrific and I loved his scenes with Tony. I also liked how they portrayed Hulk as a vicious brute. This was the first film the Hulk was in where you truly, truly realize how stupid and dangerous it is to make him angry. ScarJo more than holds her own with the boys and they kept Natasha Russian! Double bonus there.

Hulk smashing Loki definitely got the biggest response and people loved him punching Thor at the end too. Thor's "He's adopted" line drew a lot of laughs as well.

I appreciated at the extra details from the other films. Nice to see Paltrow back...as far as superhero love interests go, she always brought a lot to the table. Liked the Jane Foster reference too.

I don't know why people don't wait till the credits end with Marvel movies. If they miss something, it's their own fault. Loved both scenes at the end and the last one was a great one to end everything on.

Avengers is the impressive culmination of many, many years of hard work by Marvel Studios. Well done!

Edited by benteen, May 4, 2012 @ 11:50 PM.


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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 1:48 AM

The quibbles? Few.

1. OHMIGAWD! They killed Coulson!! You bastards!!!!

2. Could the Chitauri be any more generic? It was like watching the Sycorax, but at least they had the blood voodoo thing going. The Chitauri seem like the type that the Doctor could dispatch inside of 30 minutes.

3. Seriously . . . Coulson. Dead. What the hell?!?

4. No, really, Marvel worked Coulson into their comic book universe and put him in a prominent role in Ultimate Spider-Man on Disney XD, and they killed him off?!? Couldn't it have been a Life Model Decoy instead?

5. At no point does Nick Fury yell, "WE HAVE GOT TO GET THESE MOTHERFUCKIN' ALIENS OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKIN' HELLICARRIER!!!!"

Other than that? Friggin' golden. Fury could have turned to the audience and begged them to clap to bring Coulson back, and it still would've been golden. The Avengers does the nigh-impossible: streamline several movies into one uber-franchise. DC Comics can never keep up; aside from their present Batman franchise, which is winding down, none of their movies have been as aces as these. The after-credits sequence could've been RDJ teabagging Ryan Reynolds to show that point.

Hard to pick an MVP. I think Mark Ruffalo might be the Hulk for this generation. Hulk got wrongly slammed for going its own way, while The Incredible Hulk was a paint-by-numbers affair. Here, we see how Bruce Banner can be the smartest guy in the room, even when Tony Stark is present. Also, the ass-whumpin' on Loki and the sucker-punch upon Thor seem inspired by Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, the animated series that showed that Hulk can be an Avenger. Oh, and Banner transforms before the climatic battle without getting into a Bixby-like rage-spasm. Badass.

Seriously, I can't be coherrent, especially since I need to get to sleep. For those who haven't seen it? First of all, why are you reading a thread with spoilers? Secondly, if you go, be warned: there are more money shots in this film than a month's worth of porn.

PS: What do you need to know about Thanos? He loves death like a fat kid loves cake. That's about it.

ETA: Seriously, if you got Disney XD, check out AEMH. It's kinda like this movie, and they got Black Panther, Wasp and other classic characters. And they had Luke Cage & Iron Fist popping up last week!

Edited by Lantern7, May 5, 2012 @ 2:05 AM.


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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 2:40 AM

Is Coulson really dead, though?

Fury grabbed his Captain America cards (NEAR MINT AND VINTAGE, you bastard!!!) and splattered them with blood from his locker. All we know about Coulson being alive or dead is Fury's "They just called it" but the medics were there.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 9:28 AM

Even if Coulson his dead his last words to Fury were great. "It's okay boss. It wasn't going to work unless less they had something to..." I legit cried when during those final moments. Also great that he still got to blast Loki with that gun. "So that's what it does."

I now know what a 'quim' is. Thank you Joss.

Loved Iron Man saying "Guys I'm bringing the party to you!" and he's being chased by a leviathan and the Black Widow going "I-I don't see how that's a party."

Also loved Cap's lines: "There's only one god ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that!" and "It seems to run on some form of electricity!"

Edited by Limbonaut, May 5, 2012 @ 9:32 AM.


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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 10:18 AM

I really enjoyed it, just as a person who has watched the predecessor movies but isn't really a fan of the comics. I liked Captain America, Iron Man and Hulk beforehand, but Thor definitely grew on me in this movie. And as a movie fan, Hawkeye's character was totally lost on me until Black Widow started talking about him to Loki. Apparently he was in Thor? I guess I'll have to watch it again.

Loved the very last scene - most of the theater had left, but it was worth it.

We were ranking the Avengers on the ride home and kind of determined it would be: Thor/Hulk (tied - I thought Hulk, others though Thor, but the movie kind of leaves that open), Iron Man, Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow. Not to say they don't have their merits though.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 11:56 AM

Is Coulson really dead, though?


Oh yes, When Joss Whedon kills people, they pretty much stay dead.


And as a movie fan, Hawkeye's character was totally lost on me until Black Widow started talking about him to Loki. Apparently he was in Thor? I guess I'll have to watch it again.


His appearance is quite brief, but he's part of the SHIELD team manning the perimeter of the crash site in New Mexico when Thor goes to retrieve Mjolnir.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 12:28 PM

He was the sniper up in the tower when Coulson gave the order not to shoot so he could see what would happen.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 1:34 PM

Just saw it. Favorite part was the Hulk smashing Loki. Good times... ;)

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 1:59 PM

5. At no point does Nick Fury yell, "WE HAVE GOT TO GET THESE MOTHERFUCKIN' ALIENS OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKIN' HELLICARRIER!!!!"

There's always deleted scenes and/or outtakes.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 5:23 PM

So can we assume after that rather adorable bond developed between Bruce and Tony (to the point of Bruce driving off with Tony at the end) that the Hulk will appear in Iron Man 3?

Before the Avengers I would have thought that was a silly idea; now I'll be disappointed if he doesn't!

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 5:59 PM

At no point does Nick Fury yell, "WE HAVE GOT TO GET THESE MOTHERFUCKIN' ALIENS OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKIN' HELLICARRIER!!!!"


Well, the movie is PG-13 after all. No swearing there.

I don't envision Banner crashing the next IronMan movie, unless it's in a post-credits cameo. Esepcially given that Mark Ruffalo is potentially going to be VERY busy playing Banner and the Other Guy, having apparently just been signed to a SIX PICTURE DEAL. That's insane.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 6:04 PM

Biggest opening weekend ever?

So so very well deserved. By far the best superhero movie ever made. Just balls out insane action and quality and a rollicking rollercoaster of a good time. It took the comic book page and put it onscreen. Incredible. The final act is the best action I've seen in a comic book movie ever.

There's one single shot in the movie where we go from Black Widow on the alien glider thing to Iron Man flying to Captain America fighting to Hawkeye shooting to Hulk and Thor battling that left me in AWE. It was live action and CGI and just all incredible.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 6:08 PM

Mark Ruffalo is potentially going to be VERY busy playing Banner and the Other Guy, having apparently just been signed to a SIX PICTURE DEAL.

Wow, that's a lot of anti-fracking money. Way to go, Mark!

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 6:08 PM

I don't envision Banner crashing the next IronMan movie, unless it's in a post-credits cameo. Esepcially given that Mark Ruffalo is potentially going to be VERY busy playing Banner and the Other Guy, having apparently just been signed to a SIX PICTURE DEAL. That's insane.


That actually makes it more likely, thats why they all sign 6 or 7 picture deals. I mean...think about how many movies Samuel L. Jackson has already appeared in for them.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 6:19 PM

Thor's "He's adopted" line drew a lot of laughs as well.

Loved this and Hemsworth's delivery. "He's my brother" (strong, tough voice) "He's killed 80 people"
No hesitation - "He's adopted" (much quieter voice).

Also loved "Hulk. Smash."

OK, so I loved it. I agree that Hiddleston's Loki stole the show. I was a tad disappointed that his bad guy reasoning was "I should have been king!!" mixed with brother/father issues but hey, gotta go with it. Nice mix of power hungry god and overall "ant. boot." evilness. Plus he looked hot.

Since you all have covered the awesomeness, I'll just add that Jeremy Renner is also hot and omg ARMS!!! Shoot that arrow! I enjoyed his relationship with the Black Widow and I really enjoyed their one on one fight. Nicely choreographed and I think Renner and Johannson have good chemistry together; I'd like to see more of them in the next movie and I REALLY want to know what happened in Budapest.

Still felt we were a tad Tony Stark heavy but I have no real complaints. Major props to Joss Whedon for successfully pulling this off and making a fun movie with good overall character involvement.

Will definitely have to see this again.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 6:36 PM

Could someone summarize the final scene? I mean, Mr. Munchie wanted to leave as soon as the credits started to roll and I made him wait through the first one. Who knew there would be TWO?