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[TWoP Howard]

From Comcast or Xfinity or whatever the hell they want to call it:

Tyler returns to Mystic Falls and soon suspects that something has been going on between Caroline and Klaus. Meanwhile, Elena and Damon visit Jeremy in Denver and learn that he is hanging with the wrong crowd.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Apr 23, 2012 @ 7:35 PM.

[BerryIsHere]

TYLER'S BAAAAAAAAACK!!!!! [/dance of joy]

Why exactly was Tyler staying at Casa de Forbes though? If he didn't want to stay at his house because he doesn't want Klaus to know he's back w/ a broken sire bond, why not stay in one of the 1,782 other homes his family owns? Plus, he & Caroline can make with the lovin' some more. EVERYBODY WINS

I've never fast fwded through part of an episode before but tonight pushed me past my breaking point. Fuuuuuuck that Damon/Elena shit was annoying. Thanks for ruining Florence + the Machine show

I totally ship Stefan and Alaric. Hard

[Tippi Blevins]

Can't they just ask Mary's ghost now? Or ask Rose's ghost to ask Mary's ghost? Or would that result in some kind of weird, spiritual game of Telephone?

[pepperclove]

Guess this thread just unlocked? I'm unspoiled so lots of surprises this episode. I didn't see Esther possessing Rebekah coming so that was a cool twist, although I kind of hope Rebekah isn't gone since she has grown on me a lot. Also interesting potential to have Esther and EvilAlaric working together. Did anyone else think that Stefan reacted like he knew who EvilAlaric was and had encountered him in the past?

I like that Elena finally kissed Damon - she had to be the one to initiate this kiss, I think. I didn't so much like that she almost immediately backed off (after the encounter with Kol), but it is definitely in character. And I like that Damon was pissed about it. Hopefully he is done being a doormat with her, because that is one of the things that has turned me off to this couple on the show. I like Damon snarky and awesome.

I thought using Rose to let Elena see one of Damon's good deeds that he keeps quiet about was nicely done, and Damon's admission that he doesn't want people to expect things of him was a nice character moment and very true to how I see his character. I was not a fan of Rose being a vocal Delena shipper and telling Jeremy all about why he shouldn't interfere. That seemed to be a case of telling rather than showing why this couple has potential.

[babybluez]

I'm not going to lie, Tyler and Caroline had me squeeing like 12 year old. So happy he's back!!

Damon + Elena = yawn, in fact the whole triangle is a big yawnfest. I find each character way more interesting when they aren't involved in this geometric banality.

[Denari06]

Oh my. I took a break and stopped watching TVD for a few episodes there because I needed my stress levels to not get so high. I came back for this episode because I used to love this show so much but I really don't think I can deal with the anvilicious way they beat over the head with Damon/Elena or Damon/Elena/Stefan. Rose pontificating over the different dynamics of either of these couplings to Jeremy - who is quite possibly the only one who has a right to say anything to Elena regarding her choice to date the vampire that killed him and is typically a jerk to him anyway - was something I could with out. A real conversation between Elena/Jeremy might have been beneficial, but no, that might of been too much.

Also, I absolutely love that no one apparently gives a damn about the fact that Tyler could die, as long as they stay alive. Seriously, only Caroline cares? Elena can't voice some concern? And the fact that Elena doesn't want Jeremy involved until she needs him to help save her precious boys is ludiricious. I wish Jeremy had left them to their own devices once he witnessed that kiss. Elena literally doesn't care about anyone or anything that isn't the Salvatore brothers at this point. She showed more concern over Kol beating on Damon, than what Kol could have possibly done to Jeremy while they were hanging out. She just actually doesn't give a f*** about anyone else.

She is the biggest television hypocrite I've ever seen. And it's so sad because I used to love her character.

I absolutely loved Damon telling Elena he's not going to figure it out for her. I loved him calling her out on what the hell she wants and what she's doing. Just as I loved Stefan telling Klaus to go suck it because he can't control him anymore. It was awesome seeing them both stand up to people who are respectively sucking the life out of them. I hope Stefan tells Elena to go f*** off as well. In fact, I hope Elena makes a choice and whichever brother she does chooses tells her no, and then she tries to go to the other one and he tells her no too. And then we can get a few episodes at the beginning of next season with the Salvatore brothers being awesome together. Because right now, this triangle is doing Elena zero favors and they are best when they are being brotherly and snarky.

I also maintain that this makeshift scooby gang has the worst planning skills. Half the time their plans are so rushed and because they jump to conclusions they get half the things wrong anyways. If they would stop to think they might be able to get a step ahead, but they just don't, so they can't.

The single good things about this episode were Rebecca/Matt, Caroline/Tyler and Steven R. McQueen's priceless reaction shots to Elena/Damon issues. If I was fast-forwarding I would have gotten a solid 15 minute episode.

[jessied112]

I know a lot of Delena fans are...well, fangirling but I personally felt underwhelmed. Like I said on the Damon thread, I'm at the point of not caring about these two. Either get them together or break them apart. Either way, stop with this will they/won't they bullshit. Just let them get together and put everyone out of their misery.

Elena's a dumbass, though. I was on Damon's side the whole time. Girl, you don't just make out (not kiss, MAKE OUT) with Damon and then say you don't know your feelings. You like him. Admit it and move on.

Yay for Jeremy but he was being used by Damon and Elena. Let's face it, no matter what Elena said, I know the only reason she went to fetch Jeremy was to talk to Rose to save the Damon and Stefan. And this is why I hated Elena compelling Jeremy; I wanted him to come back on his own, not just because Elena decided he could. Bitch, he's old enough to make his own decisions. Don't boss him around. You lost the right when you compelled him to leave Denver. And is it sad that I cheered when Kol tossed her into the wall and she got hurt? Besides Rebekah, he's the only one to actually physically harm her without remorse or clear indication that he's a fangirl. Sorry Klaus and Elijah, but you both kind of fall under the Elena-worshipper category. But seriously, the last time I saw Elena get hurt like that was Rose when she bitchslapped Elena back in season 2. Or was it Rebekah this season who also bitchslapped Elena?

Alaric and Stefan have serious chemistry. I wasn't too sure at first because we've barely got scenes with them, but I liked them together.

Knew Esther was gonna possess Rebekah. Klaus is still a whiny bitch. The look on his face when Stefan turned him down was priceless.

Tyler/Caroline is hot. But girl, throw out that picture. It may be good to look at for laughs, but that's it. And uh, Matt, good job at tricking Rebekah?

Not a good episode, though. I didn't really like any of it. I wanted more Kol/Jeremy and I wanted to hear more about Jeremy in Denver.

[scarlett45]

I totally or got the show came back this week. Off I go to watch it.

[jessied112]

Can't they just ask Mary's ghost now? Or ask Rose's ghost to ask Mary's ghost? Or would that result in some kind of weird, spiritual game of Telephone?

I know! That was what I was wondering. Why couldn't they fetch Jeremy from outside, bring him in and have him try to communicate with Mary's ghost? Chances are that because she had just died, she would still be near her body so it would be very easy to communicate with her. And by the way, why the fuck didn't Damon and Elena go running outside just in case Kol decided to snap Jeremy's neck or something? I was worrying about him the whole time that Elena was being a dumbass to Damon.

And can Jeremy officially see ghosts now? Is that his new gift or something? Or will it only be brought up for the purposes of plot and then be dropped after that? And why is Alaric apparently the 'only' one that can get into the cave? Hello, so can Elena and Jeremy and Bonnie.

This episode has had me asking more questions than getting answers. And that's not a good sign.

[Denari06]

And by the way, why the fuck didn't Damon and Elena go running outside just in case Kol decided to snap Jeremy's neck or something? I was worrying about him the whole time that Elena was being a dumbass to Damon.

Didn't you know? Elena doesn't care about her brother, she's too busy dealing with love triangle woes to worry that her brother might have his neck snapped by Kol. Please, had she run outside, I would have gasped in shock.

[My Way]

Damon and Elena makeout session was hilarious, it was like a music video! Kind of amused at Rose as sorta matchmaker.

Can't they just ask Mary's ghost now? Or ask Rose's ghost to ask Mary's ghost?

I had the same question. I was also wondering if Kol/Klaus would kill Jeremy if they knew he was a ghost whisperer.

Poor Rebecca. Her mom totally sucks as hard as Bonnie's mom.

Almost forgot to mention Tyler. I was irritated that he buged out at Klaus's horse picture. It's a picture of Caroline and my little pony. Of course she's going to keep it. She probably cracks up every time she looks at it.

Edited by My Way, Apr 19, 2012 @ 10:26 PM.

[LimelightQueen]

Okay, seriously, why has no one warned Jeremy about the protect-o-ring? What is wrong with these people? Doesn't he have the right to know that he could at any moment start killing people without even knowing it? I know they like to keep him out of the loop for his own protection, but seriously.

I can just see Elena saying she doesn't want him to know because if he knows he'll stop wearing it and she would rather risk him killing people than him dying.

I'm not ashamed that when Elena kissed Damon a noise came out of my throat that was probably at a decibel level only audible to dogs. And when Caroline and Tyler hooked up.

I think Jeremy won't be able to talk to Mary's ghost because he doesn't know anyone who had a real connection to her. Damon made it sound like they were fuck buddies, nothing more. He didn't have a connection with her like he did with Rose.

Edited by LimelightQueen, Apr 19, 2012 @ 10:26 PM.

[Munchiewoman]

Why couldn't they just compel Bad Alaric to tell them where the stake was?

I'm so sick of hearing how "pure" and awesome Stefan is. And I once again hated him for telling Alaric basically that his dark side was not his fault. In Alaric's case, it's true, but Stefan was so talking about himself. At least Alaric tries to take responsibility for his actions instead of blaming the ring or something. No, "the blood made me do it" for him!

This actually made me laugh out loud (paraphrased):

Jeremy: How was I supposed to know he was a vampire?
Damon: What, you thought you really made a friend? Have you MET yourself?

I can't believe I didn't guess about Esther, especially since I thought she was trying something when she took Rebekah's hands. D'oh. Esther is seriously pissing me off.

Tyler/Caroline bores me to tears, but her face when she saw him? Awesome. That's why I think Candice Accola gets more story lines than others. So many emotions flickered across her face in about half a second.

[ComeWhatMay]

Too bad there is no Ancestry.com for vampires.

I am a Damon & Elena fan so I loved the make out session. So did Elena. That smile in spite of Jeremy's very understanding disapproval spoke volumes.

What I loved more than anything, though, is that Damon kept his balls & basically said make up your mind lady. She needs to... Bros over hos even for me.

I was touched at how Ian played Damon's initial reaction to Elena's kiss -- he couldn't quite believe it was happening. Damon had been dreaming about that moment for so long. When he realized it was no dream, wow! When Damon went just slightly South, I needed a fan. Lucky woman right there onsreen & off.

[jessied112]

You know what I want now? I want Jeremy to go all psycho like Alaric, but instead of killing vampires, he kills dumbass people who think that it's 'best' to keep him out of the loop. Starting with dumbass, horrible sister Elena. She pretends that she's a good sister, for shipping him out to Denver 'for his own safety' and bringing him back 'because she's worried about his safety' but really, if you look deep enough, she's a horrible sister/cousin. Taking away his free will, withholding extremely vital information detrimental to his health and safety, and basically making out with Damon a few feet away from him.

Sorry; I'm extremely angry at this episode right now. I may like the episode upon a second rewatch, but I'm not sure I could watch it a second time.

I think Jeremy won't be able to talk to Mary's ghost because he doesn't know anyone who had a real connection to her. Damon made it sound like they were fuck buddies, nothing more. He didn't have a connection with her like he did with Rose.

Well, Jeremy said that he didn't know (or did he say he never met?) Rose and all he needed was a picture OR a memory, so I don't think contacting Mary with her dead body right there would have been a big deal.

[TWoP Howard]

Sorry the thread didn't unlock at the proper time. I must have messed the date up. Thanks to TWoP Tennison for opening it, though!

[LimelightQueen]

So is Rebekah dead or possessed? I'm hoping possessed because I'm beginning to warm up to her character.

[My Way]

What I loved more than anything, though, is that Damon kept his balls & basically said make up your mind lady.

Me too!! I am irritated at Elena for being so wishy washy, but I could kind of understand her reasoning when she spelled it out. The problem is, if that is your reason for staying away from Damon, you have to actually stay away from him. She should know better than to play with fire by initating the (i must admit) super hot makeout session if she isn't sure.

Also, Jeremy has no reason to complain about the making out since he is apparently the worst chaperone ever.

[jessied112]

So is Rebekah dead or possessed? I'm hoping possessed because I'm beginning to warm up to her character.

Well, since RebEsther mentioned that she expected Alaric to undsrstand since Klaus took over his body, I'm taking that as a sign that Rebekah's not dead and just possessed. I don't think it was in Esther's plan to kill Rebekah right on that day, anyway. I think she wants to kill them all at the same time.

[gazebogrl]

Poor Rebecca! Now that Mom Esther has possessed her body, she'll be missing another great party at high school! And damn, didn't Rebecca set up the 1920s dance with Matt too? When she comes back into her body, she is just going to be so pissed! Rebecca seems to constantly be screwed over by her family. I actually feel sorry for the psychotic crazy blonde vampire.

I understand Elena's confusion. She loves Damon, but she doesn't trust him because Damon's a fuck up. He tries to fuck up anything good and he does and he remains alone because of it. I wouldn't mind seeing Delena, but Damon's got to stop acting so immature.

I love that Stefan really understands Klaus. That's Stefan's edge over Klaus. He knows that Klaus is still crushing on him all these years and Klaus wants dapper handsome 1920s Stefan to be his boyfriend.....errr....I mean, his best friend again.

I would like Stefan to move on to another girlfriend and give up on Elena. To me, Stelena is done and should be buried. Elena doesn't love Stefan the way she use to, and Stefan knows it too. Time to move on man.

Right now, the relationship I am most invested in is Damon and Stefan's relationship. I want them to be more than just two brothers that need each other when there is trouble. I'd like them to become best friends again before Katherine happened, before the vampire thing happened. They need each other. Everyone around them will probably fade away and their only constant will be each other in the end.

[My Way]

I would like Stefan to move on to another girlfriend and give up on Elena.

*cough*Katherine*cough*

[LimelightQueen]

Right now, the relationship I am most invested in is Damon and Stefan's relationship.

I am a Delena shipper and yet I feel like the core of this show, the true OTP, has always been Damon/Stefan.

[luvprue1]

I like this episode. It wasn't great, but it was good. When Stefan sent Elena on a road trip to find out if she had feeling for Damon..I was like WTF ,Stefan? first you push her away, now you are pushing her right into Damon's arms. However I knew there had to be another reason why Stefan wanted Damon to take that trip. He knew Damon would not be able to harm his friend Alaric. Even Alaric pointed that out.

I love Kol,and I knew he was going to turn out to be Jeremy new friend. However I hate that they made Kol seem so weak. Kol is an original, Damon shouldn't have been able to stake him so easily.

Love Matt and Rebecca. However I hate that Matt is only hanging out with Rebecca to distract her for Caroline. Matt have not been with anyone in a while. He should be looking at things differently.

Rebecca said that she has to compel a guy to get a date. What the hell type of school is she going to, if a tall blond cheerleader can't get a date without compulsion? Guys should be lining up to date her,and Bonnie. Hell, Matt is a teenage boy, he should be trying to get her pants, since it been a while since he last got laid.

I knew that Esther was up to something as soon as she showed up. Rebecca shouldn't have trust her. However now that Esther had taken over Rebecca's body what will happen to Rebecca? Is it a possession, or a body switch? ..if it's a body switch , wouldn't that mean Rebecca is dead?

I love the Delena's kiss. I love Jeremy's reaction to the Delena kiss more. I love Damon calling Elena out on her little test drive. Although Elena thinks Damon always mess thing up. It just that Elena do not accept that Damon is a vampire ,and likely to do vampire things. He's not Stefan, who spent most of his vampire life hiding his true persona.

Love Klaus . I do not understand why Caroline had to sneak out to see Tyler. Klaus knows that they are dating, and Caroline haven't shown even a hint of interest in Klaus to have him think differently. So why she had to sneak and see him? I mean after Caroline work with Damon and Stefan to kill Klaus, he truly should be over her by now.

Can't they just ask Mary's ghost now? Or ask Rose's ghost to ask Mary's ghost? Or would that result in some kind of weird, spiritual game of Telephone?

Jeremy do not have a connection to Mary. He was only able to talk to Rose because Damon was use as a conduct, and Damon had a close connection to Rose. However Damon didn't have a connection to Mary,and Rose ran from her. So neither of them have a strong enough connection to Mary for Jeremy to be able to contact her.



I hate the idea that Damon and Stefan still want to kill Klaus although they know it will kill Tyler as well. However Damon and Stefan do not care about Tyler. But Elena should care about Tyler. Elena have been known Tyler her entire life, so how can she sit back and let Damon and Stefan kill Klaus when she know doing so will be a death sentence for Tyler. How can she look Matt, or Caroline in the fact if she let that happen? Sometimes I think Elena is the biggest hypocrite on the entire show...maybe she does belong with Stefan after all.

[dragonfirelance]

Well, I guess with Kevin Williamson gone this is the new normal, and I have to accept it. Love triangles, love triangles, and love triangles, and if you go anywhere near Delena you are DOA. Julie Plec has her real life fanfiction.

No seriously I've seen this plot a 100 times. Stefan is worried about Elena having feels for Damon and breaks up with her. For whatever contrived reason, Damon and Elena end up going on a road trip to Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, at least Plec took it out of the South some originality. The trip consists of awkward hotel room scenes because for some reason Damon and Elena must share a room, because it's not like Damon has money. Plus many people tell Damon and Elena they are the cutest, bestest couple ever. Eventually, this leads to a moment where Elena kisses Damon and runs off confused about her feelings. Then Elena finds out about some random nice thing Damon does or Damon saves her from something, and in a moment of passion they run back into hotel and have sex for days and return to Mystic Falls happily in love the end. Not much different was that from the actual episode, except for the fact Delena has to be together at the end of the fic, while Plec has to stretch it out for at least 2-3 more seasons.

Also Elena in her bestest big sister ever concern has not even bothered to tell Jeremy about the ring malfunctioning and turning him into a serial killer, and they decide to drag him back to Mystic Falls. where that's more of a likelihood of happening because I guess one serial killer alter ego isn't enough. Also Jeremy doesn't get to get mad about Elena getting Damon to compluse him again. He's not even allowed to get mad at Elena for hooking up with the guy who tried to kill him for real. Only through luck, Jeremy still had the ring on even though he wanted to die, did Jeremy come back from the dead after Damon snapped his neck in front of Elena. The reason for this: a dead vampire ghost who Jeremy doesn't even know says Elena will make Damon be a better person, because to Jeremy that matters what about reforming his dead vampire girlfriend or it just Damon and Stefan. Also Damon will be the best or worst love, Elena’s ever had, again why doesn’t Jeremy assume worst considering everything Damon has done to Elena’s loved ones in the town including him.

Now let’s go to burgeoning love triangle number two, which manages by some miracle to be even more implausible. Caroline has to choose between Tyler; a guy who has genuinely become her friend, she has hot sex with, is her boyfriend, and is nice to her; and Klaus, a guy who is a 1000 year old murderous vampire who has killed thousands upon thousands of people, tried to murder her best friend but now has comprised on making said best friend a blood bank/baby factory, and stalked her and got get her boyfriend to almost kill her so he could give her a charm bracelet. This is however a real choice because Carolina didn’t tell Tyler, Klaus has become obsessed with me and is delusional about us being together, instead opting to tell him nothing. Then Caroline has actually kept Klaus’s cheesy pony drawing because it has emotional significance to her. I know Elena was set up to be the sacrificial lamb to a love triangle, but why Caroline who at the start of this season tried to talk some sense into Elena. Seriously is there any pairing too implausible despite the vocal fanbase to attempt. I guess giving Bonnie her own original in Kol, because he’s a murderous vampire and Jamie, the guy her mother chose to raise instead of her is a nice guy who will be killed by the end of the season.

Now we are cutting characters for the drama. We have a character who has chemistry with our lead male character, we have been giving character development to through most of the season her relationship with her brother, her relationship with her mother, the fact that she hasn’t had much of a life despite her 1,000 year existence, and her disappointment in her family and love life. This character was in one of the hottest scenes of the season according to fans and is well liked by fans because she’s snarky and fun just like our lead male character. So of course, she’s the one who gets offed through possession, because no one can ever hate Elena and actually have a real shot at Damon, even though it would a much less complicated situation for him. Seriously Plec, we could have bargained you could have had an Elena/Damon/Rebekah triangle, Elena could have won, you could have put her with Matt, so he couldn’t be killed off and had a reason to get screen time.

I’ll be honest this rant is mostly be realizing the show from S1 to early to mid S2, which was one of if not my favorite show on television, is gone. Plus the fact its replacement can’t even crack my top 10 shows now. Plus the bastards killed Rebekah and it’s worse than Anna because there was even more potential. Also I didn’t know it was coming, seriously after Elijah Rebekah has to be the most universally well liked Original and they just pulled a twist to save the Originals. Now they’re destroying the one actual romantic relationship I actually love on the show Caroline/Tyler. It was just a bad night for me as a fan.

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I would like Stefan to move on to another girlfriend and give up on Elena.

*cough*Katherine*cough*

Plus she already ships Delena alive so unlike other female vampires who have slept with Damon she doesn't have to die to realize their epic love and not compete with Elena.

I hate the idea that Damon and Stefan still want to kill Klaus although they know it will kill Tyler as well. However Damon and Stefan do not care about Tyler. But Elena should care about Tyler. Elena have been known Tyler her entire life, so how can she sit back and let Damon and Stefan kill Klaus when she know doing so will be a death sentence for Tyler.

I have no problem with Damon and Stefan wanting to kill Klaus even if it kills Tyler. They don't like Tyler and like Bonnie I don't think his life is that big of a priority for them. However, Elena should have called her whipped vampire boyfriends off the kill Klaus plan before finding out a way to save Tyler. He's one of her oldest friends and her best friend's boyfriend.

[MissEm23]

Elena sent Jeremy away to keep him safe. When she found out that Klaus knew where he was and that he wasn't safe, she flew across the country to pick him up. Remember that this episode happened maybe one day after the last one, so it wasn't like she had some big long pause where she hesitated. Also, Kol wouldn't have snapped his neck. He had spent an unknown amount of time pretending to be Jer's friend without hurting him. Klaus and Kol know that he makes good leverage, so they're not going to just blow it on a whim. Plus, Jeremy was still wearing his resurrect-o-ring, so he would have been fine (physically at least). Regardless, I don't think it was entirely about using him to talk to Rose.

What bugs me is that Elena apparently hasn't told him about Evilaric and the ring fiasco... Maybe it happened off-screen? I would have told him to take it off about a nanosecond after I figured out what it was doing to Alaric, but then again, Alaric continued to wear it, too. I LOVE Matt Davis as Evilaric (and Alariklaus), but the ring mythology thing is grating on me. I kind of think he's going to die or go to jail or get committed in the next episode, so maybe it won't matter much longer.

I think we can all agree that the ghost mythology is convoluted and ridiculous. I was definitely thinking--can't Jer just call up Mary on his ghost hotline and ask her?

Did anyone else notice that Damon said thank you to Jeremy when told him to get back in the car? It made my heart smile. Apparently he realized he was being a little harsh. (Wouldn't you be a little weird/awkward/hostile towards the kid who walked in on you hardcore macking on his sister?)

Speaking of that... I was in Delena heaven. I think the hand holding was almost hotter than the making out. Almost. I mean let's not get crazy. I love how she was like "wow this is way too intimate, I think I'll get some air." Weird how holding hands actually is more intimate than making out. I actually would have preferred their kissing interactions to be a little less intensely hot and a little more intimate. The moment where they looked into each others eyes right before the commercial pretty much made up for it, though. I mean, Damon has been pining for her for over a year (show timeline). All of that pent up emotion (from both of them) getting released into one makeout sesh is bound to be pretty steamy. I giggled when he started getting a little too PG-13, and she kind of guided his head back into PG territory. Though it kind of bugged me that he went there in the first place... But I'll allow it because it made me laugh. I'm pretty sure I rewound that scene and rewatched it at least a dozen times. The Florence + the Machine song was downright PERFECT for the scene and for them. Listen to the words if you haven't already-- they're totally Delena.

As for the scene in front of Mary's corpse (romantic, right?), I have mixed feelings. Loved that Elena was concerned for him. Loved that she was actually smart enough to attempt to run away (for once). I had tears in my eyes when he caressed her face (+ total eye sex), and she held onto his hand for a second. Then she freaking JERKED it away, and I wanted to give her her second concussion of the night. I loved Damon's reaction to the whole situation. He was vulnerable without being neutered (see: Stefan). He called her on her crap. He didn't just roll over and beg her to love him. I also like that he knew exactly what she was thinking, even though I don't think she wanted to be thinking it-- about him doing something to screw it up and her not having to decide. And it cracked me up that Damon was like-- screw you, I'm NOT going to go crazy and kill someone. It was probably the only time she ever halfway wished that he would. Yay for the perfect balance of Damon vulnerability AND snark! I hope they can keep it up.

Delena in the car kind of broke my heart. They both looked miserable, which was the appropriate response to the fight they had, but it still made me sad. It looked like he almost started to say something but didn't. And I'm glad. He can't let her off the hook that easily. Sidebar: Was it just me or did Ian's skin look REALLY bad in the moonlight? I've always known it wasn't great, but they usually do a better job of hiding it. He's still one of the most beautiful human beings on the planet, so I digress.

I have mixed feelings about the Rose and Jeremy conversation. It was definitely superfluous exposition, though an accurate description of the situation. It didn't bug me that she would talk to Jeremy about it or that Jeremy would listen and consider what she said. He's probably never going to like the fact that Elena's in love with any vampire, much less 2, but he obviously wants her to be happy. He kind of did need to hear that Damon could be good for her because he has never really seen that side of Damon. That convo will make it a little more believable when she picks Damon, and Jeremy doesn't go ape shit about her dating a monster. Hopefully he and Elena will actually talk about it, since he's the last person left in her life who would genuinely be worried and have a right to say something about it. In that case, Rose's exposition wasn't needed. Actually her entire appearance on the show wasn't needed since she didn't have any useful information, not that I'm complaining because a fellow Delena 'shipper will always be welcome.

Oh, and I totally feel for Rebekah. I just want her to have a moment of normalcy and acceptance!

So of course, she’s the one who gets offed through possession, because no one can ever hate Elena and actually have a real shot at Damon, even though it would a much less complicated situation for him.

I'm pretty sure she's not dead. Alaric didn't die when Klaus took his body. Plus, there's a promo pic from the season finale with Rebekah in it looking very terrified and very Rebekah. Dead witches don't really have many reasons to be terrified.

Edited by MissEm23, Apr 19, 2012 @ 11:36 PM.

[NickyJean]

First I can't believe that Stefan told Kluas about the death of the line. What was he thinking? Rebekah and Kol should force Elana to drink both of there blood and snap her pretty little neck. Then not only would those idiots not want to stake Rebekah and Kol but Damon and Stefan would become their own personal body guards. What a moron!!!

Second, I feel so bad for Rebekah. She just wants to be a real girl, and what does she get: Matt telling her it's sad that someone can't just be giving her a ride home, when the truth was he did have ulterior motive. Is this irony? I don't know but it makes me sad. Then she comes home to be face to face with her mother. They have that heart to heart only for her mother to die, then we discover it was actually Ester in Rebekah's body. Again I'm sad. I know she's the bad guy, but heck Damon's done more in an episode then Rebekah's done since she got to Mystic Falls, yet he's a "tragic hero". it's not fair.

Next, I have to say I like the Evil Alric/Ester Partnership. I didn't see it coming (+1) and Evil Alric's is HOT +1. Best twist I have seen on this show in a while. Best part about it, doesn't have anything to do with the golden trio.

Hated the fact that they brought rose back to pimp Elana and Damon. Katherine once said that it was ok to love them both. That's true only if you are their mother, not a girlfriend. With that logic Stefan should be more then able to love both Elena and Rebekah or Katherine. The later two are both challenging and just full of surprises while Elena will be good for her. Stefan and/or Damon should then be allowed to explore his relationship because she'll either be the best or the worst for them. If I cared at all about Elana then Rose's little monologue would have had me pushing for Stefan with all my might. Who wants to give someone they love a 50/50 shot at happiness? Who believes that should be a compelling reason.

I also hated the fact that Kol and Jermery "Friendship" was barely talked about. I know that Kol just flat said that it was all part of a plan but maybe being allowed to see a reaction from that. I would have settled for him kicking the body because Jeremy set him up with another friend or gave him his last pudding cup. Anything to show that he was actually betrayed would have been nice.

It should go without saying that Killing Mary doesn't stop hunt for the family line. We don't even know for sure if it was an Original. Kol could have been screwing with them. With Ghost whispering Jeremy its not like can't still ask around the after life. Wouldn't it be nice if it was Anna or Pearl who turned her.

Have to say I totally bought the Caroline/Matt argument. Not because I though Matt would side with Rebekah but because I figured Caroline wasn't in on the plan to keep rebekah busy while Damon and Elana went out to get jeremy. Imagine my surprise when it had everything to do with tyler getting back to town and Carolyne and him meeting up. AHHHH +++hugs all around for that one. But then the klus picture. Sad panda :(

[pjamma]

Why is so important to kill Kluas again? He really isn't doing anything worse then the brothers and he is not going after Elena. Can't they all just coexist? Hell, if they patch things up and become friends Klaus won't even need to make warepires anymore.

[OptimisticCynic]

I thought Rose's dialogue about why Damon was really creepy - "makes her question her beliefs and her life, either the best thing or worst thing for her." Sounds more emotionally abusive to me, and I don't have a particular preference over who Elena ends up with - at this point I can't really stand any of those three characters anyway.

I do hate this type of writing for a show that attracts a young, teenage female audience, especially when it's spoken by a female character. If you're really unsure if a person is the best or worst thing for you then they are not healthy relationship material. Not just because they may not be good - but if you're personal happiness and stability relies so heavily on another person- sheesh.

I think the hand holding was almost hotter than the making out.

Eh, Chuck had better hand porn.

Edited by OptimisticCynic, Apr 20, 2012 @ 12:33 AM.

[Mrs Joe]

Gotta say. That was episode was a bit of a snoozefest. Knew Delena wasn't going to have sex because that's a really hard place for the triangle to come back from, so I don't think they'll go there for a long time if at all. The triangle is all the show is about anymore really.

Even if Jeremy couldn't connect with Mary, won't Rose be able to find her on the other side?. I mean we've been told people chat there, like all the dead witches and Vicky and Anna hearing rumours.

Also curious why if a connection is all that's required for a visit from the other side, why hasn't Jeremy contacted his parents or even Isabelle for info before??

[jr352]

Why is so important to kill Kluas again? He really isn't doing anything worse then the brothers and he is not going after Elena. Can't they all just coexist? Hell, if they patch things up and become friends Klaus won't even need to make warepires anymore.

Yeah, they would have been better off if they had given Klaus some evil plan to take over the world or something. I mean it seems like he wants to make werevamps because he's lonely. That's just sad and pathetic. Right now, the originals don't seem better or worse than Stefan or Damon.

Edited by jr352, Apr 20, 2012 @ 12:36 AM.