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4-18: "The Consultant" 2012.04.13


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:00 PM

Walter goes to the alternate universe to help investigate an event that has ties to both worlds.

I thought for sure he was going to kill over here Broyles.
I like that they explained Alt-Broyles' treason while not excusing it, even to himself. He knows he made a devil's bargain.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:02 PM

I noticed the Observer! That never happens, I'm so proud of myself.

I'm glad that Broyles turned out to be a mole for reasons other than being a shapeshifter, it's a more compelling story this way. Still, I'm heartbroken for him. Red!Broyles never gets a good ending, does he.

The Nina that's imprisoned in Redverse, that's Red!Nina, right, not a shapeshifter?

All the nightmarish research Jones is doing, he doesn't seem like a guy who's out to destroy everything in existence, so I wonder what's his end-game in trying to merge the universes.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:02 PM

Glad we got some character motivation as to why Broyles would be a mole.



I know we have seen his son Chris before and I think I remember something horrific happening to him but cant remember the specifics.



Walter in Olivias robe was hilarious.



Does anyone know if fringe has been renewed or cancelled???

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:02 PM

Just when I was thinking: Huh. So Alt-Broyles' story is just simple blackmail to keep his son alive. If this was the plan all along, shouldn't we have been reminded of what was going on with his son in a recent episode? ... But then in steps Walter to eloquently remind us how this is part of the overarching tale.

Fringe, I love you so much.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:04 PM

Another ulcer inducing episode, but it hurts oh so good. Great episode despite its lack of Peter and Olivia. And the previews for next week--Holy Shit! So. . .it looks like blondie is definitely the spawn of Olivia and Peter. Not sure who Desmond is yet. Some of us were right about the Walter ambering situation. I didn't see Olivia in the preview, just Peter with the young blonde girl (thought he was hugging Olivia at first, but I think it was the girl). Tonight's glyph: Simon.


Walter had some classic lines, but I am partial to him referring to Peter as "my son." Warms the heart.

Edited by prodigalchicken, Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:07 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:04 PM

This was an okay episode. I do miss Walternate though. Jones is okay as a villian, but Walternate was a fantastic one. Speaking of him, he's cool with his much hated counterpart moseying on over to his universe by himself?

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:09 PM

Simon = the telepath from CaAA?

Christopher had been abducted by a church leader who damaged his pituitary in order to create miracle cures for the parishioners. When Olivia was over there as Bolivia, she caught the kidnappers and opened the possibility of a treatment. That didn't happen in this timeline.

Great episode.

Edited by jophan, Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:11 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:10 PM

I know we have seen his son Chris before and I think I remember something horrific happening to him but cant remember the specifics.

Ep. 3-7, The Abducted. Chris was kidnapped by a serial childnapper called "The Candyman", who damaged him severely.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:12 PM

I don't know if Blondie is the spawn of Peter and Olivia, but the two of them were spawning SOMETHING, I'm sure... They barely appeared in the episode except to receive Walter's nudge-wink references to making out, and at the end of the episode they turned up in the lab all sweaty and glowing. I hope Olivia knows how to use a home pregnancy test.

How adorable were Walter and Bolivia together? God, I think I actually ship them. For real. Poor Lincoln.

I thought this was a great episode. A lot of fine scenes. This was Lance Reddick's week to shine.

Oh, and whoever guessed that Walter would get ambered in the next episode? Take a bow.

Edited by Money Magnet, Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:13 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:16 PM

Domesticated badgers! Walter's fascination with the altverse makes for a great mechanism to throw some delicious crumbs to the audience. No black boxes and no Sherlock Holmes (or ACD?), either!

Astrid giving AltAstrid the canned coffee was a very sweet scene, as was the AltBroyles and Chris scene. It's these brief, personal scenes which I really love about this show. It may be a sci fi series at heart; but these intimate scenes are just as good as anything else it does.

Edited by LonePirate, Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:18 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:17 PM

Good episode.

I like the way Torv plays Bolivia, she's much more fun than our Olivia. Also glad Broyles was being black mailed instead of just being an out and out traitor.

Walter killed it with his (paraphrasing) "Here comes my escort, and by escort I mean prostitute." Ha.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:19 PM

First time poster in this forum. I love reading everyone's comments, ideas, etc. I'm fairly new to 'Fringe' and hope to catch up with all episodes one day. I'm getting better, but still miss finding The Observer in most episodes and I'm totally lost with the glyph interpretation. But, I do love the show.

I wondered if there was a backstory to Alt!Broyles (Red!Broyles?) son's illness. I see above that apparently there was an episode that addressed it. Maybe I'll catch it sometime.

My favorite line in this one had to be -- 'You couldn't bring over a casserole, but a severed hand is okay?' (I think it was Lincoln's 'ewwwww' look that made it work). A close second would be -- 'I prefer nature's sponge--the egg'. (Me too, Walter. Me too)

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:22 PM

So Broyles and AltBroyles switched places at the end, right? There would be no other reason I can think of for AltBroyles to send Broyles a "message." What would be the purpose of that?

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:23 PM

Walter referred to Peter as "my son" which was awesome enough, but he also referred to Astrid as "Ascot". Is that a first? I don't remember hearing him call her that before. Hilarious.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:23 PM

Loved the episode! One of the best this season, IMO. Great character moments, action, plot advancement. I really liked Alt-Livia in this one, especially her scenes with Walter. (And she does a nice drunk, too.)

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:23 PM

AltBroyles surrendered to Broyles and confessed. I suppose it was less difficult than confessing to his own team.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:26 PM

Plus he didn't know if anyone else on his team had been corrupted. He wanted BlueFringe to have Jones' tech.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:31 PM

Hi, BooksRule, and welcome.

Yes, there was an episode last season ("The Abducted") which was all about AltBroyles' son Christopher.

Great moment when Broyles showed up, rather unexpectedly I thought. But it makes sense: AltBroyles was so decent in the other timeline, of course he would simply confess to his alter. - the one person in the world he could trust, since no one knows you better than your own alter. (The Astrids showing up in a scene together perhaps was a foreshadowing of that?)

The kitchen scene with Bolivia leaning her head on Walter just floored me. I LOVE them together. They have chemistry! It feels so natural (although what sort of relationship it is, seems highly unusual... I'd say friendship, roughly analogous to a woman and her gay pal, although Walter is not gay of course...) Of course, who does John Noble NOT have chemistry with? And I love how Walter turned up in her robe with absolutely no explanation given.

I'd like to think that Peter and Olivia were off conceiving a baby because it's important to future plots or whatever.

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was that it didn't seem to lead into next week's (supposedly pivotal) Observer story.

Edited by Money Magnet, Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:37 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:32 PM

Did anyone else think, just for a second, that the two Broyleses were in on it together?

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:35 PM

Walter killed it with his (paraphrasing) "Here comes my escort, and by escort I mean prostitute." Ha.

That was a laugh-out-loud moment for me.

I enjoyed the episode, mostly because it gave Lance Reddick great material to work with, and also because it was a legit "collaboration between the universes" case, something I wish we had seen more of earlier in the season. I also loved the Walter/Fauxlivia scenes, both actors were killing it and it was just such a fun dynamic.

The Alt!Broyles situation is understandable because it's about his kid, as Walter said. And in the original Red verse Alt!Broyles sacrificed himself and did the right thing, I suppose the same thing happened here as well. I liked that, he is a decent man deep down. Plus, I do have to ask, what good is it if his son is healthy but living in a universe which may very well be destroyed?

I did not like that this episode seemed to follow in the footsteps of last week's episode (if not this whole season), meaning the writing was totally heavy-handed. Walter's shipping of Peter/Olivia (because they are meant to be and they're having sex and making the "right" baby), Olivia flat-out stating the parallel between Faux and Our Lincoln (they both have dead partners, they're meant to be!) not to mention practically giving them her blessing, Walter apologising to Alt!Broyles for snapping at him saying "omg it's not your fault, you're totally innocent in this, I'm so sorry" etc etc. Like, it's OK writers, tone it down.

So, "collapse" the universes? With a hand gesture that suggested a merge? What does that mean exactly? Collapse = cave in/break down? Or, most likely, collapse = "fold", if you will? The latter seems pretty ambitious. And what purpose would it serve? How would it work? What would happen to the alts? What would happen to the physical space people/places occupy? Colour me intrigued.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:35 PM

I liked the scene in the beginning with Lincoln and AltAstrid in the car and I'm glad Lincoln kept his distance from the funeral. I wonder where he's been staying without a show-me.

I also wonder if the RedVerse could send criminals like AltNina to be incarcerated in the AmberVerse. DRJ might have more trouble retrieving her (especially with AltBroyles in custody) if that is his intention.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:38 PM

Drunken AltLivia for the win. That was unexpected. But Walter in her robe and apron was classic

It felt like another "setup" episode, but a really good one. Can't wait to see where all of this is going.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 9:59 PM

Hey, BooksRule! Welcome to the discussion!

I really enjoyed this, and I'm shocked to be saying this, I loved AltLivia. See, I didn't even call her Faux, or Jazz Hands, or anything! LoL She was fun without being cartoony, and incredibly sweet and sympathetic. Her drunk scene was classic - how much did I love her leaning her head on Walter's shoulder as he cooked? Lovely little touch.

Walter shipping Peter and Olivia, Peter and Olivia with chronic afterglow, it was all just made of WIN.

So, DRJ wants to collapse the universes, huh? Maybe to step into the resultant chaos with his army of porcubats and take over? "One Porcubat to Rule Them All... " DRJ is just SO delicious, and Jared Harris is having such a blast with him.

I felt like AltBroyles being the mole because DRJ was curing his son was a teensy bit anvillicious, but Lance Reddick does such a fantastic job, I'm cool with it. I also loved Walter saying that seeing his grown son, and knowing him, makes him unsure of what he would do. Interesting implications in that.

As Coco27 said, it was definitely a setup ep, but it sure was a good one!

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:06 PM

Peter and Olivia were barely in this, but I was okay with it because the episode was splendid. Plus, they need some sexy time, as Walter said in a different way. And they appeared to be enjoying sexy time.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:07 PM

Gosh, what a great episode. There were such amazing character moments. I'm really starting to love the Red Universe. AltBroyle's scene with his son just killed me. This show.

But I miss Peter, so I'm excited for the next episode.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:10 PM

As soon as Astrid told AltAstrid that she had something for her, I just knew it was going to be coffee. Although I wonder how she's going to brew some. If coffee is so rare and expensive on that side, you're not going to be able to nip down to the WalMart for a Mr. Coffee machine. But I guess that AltAstrid is smart enough to figure out how to make a good cup of coffee.

Peter sure wasn't in this episode much. He was just in the opening scene and the closing, if I recall. But I guess there are some episodes like this--that concentrate on other characters. I noticed his absence, though.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:15 PM

I really enjoyed this, and I'm shocked to be saying this, I loved AltLivia. See, I didn't even call her Faux, or Jazz Hands, or anything!


But I don't say Fauxlivia because I think she's a fake, I call her that because I think it's cute. :)

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:22 PM

As soon as Astrid told AltAstrid that she had something for her, I just knew it was going to be coffee.


Her smile when Astrid gave her the coffee was radiant. One of my favorite moments in a fantastic episode.

Edited by hayds, Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:22 PM.


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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:27 PM

I think this was the episode where Joshua Jackson was off filming a movie. He was gone for a couple of weeks and he mentioned he filmed his scenes right before he left.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:30 PM

Pretty thrilling episode until the end when alt Broyles turned himself in. It just felt like there should be more there. I said to myselfthats it?
The cases were pretty cool though.
I agree with the comment that the end of this ep should have lead up to the much hyped 4/19 ep.

Missed Peter and Olivia again. Olivia looked so beautiful in that last scene.

Loved Walter and his hilarious lines.