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[AimingforYoko]

The team investigates a case that Peter recognizes from his world.

I like that even though Peter and Olivia are together all is not wine and roses. There is a cost.
Lincoln did not have the best day, did he?

Edited by AimingforYoko, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:01 PM.

[shapeshifter]

The beast's beauty has onions on her kitchen counter...oops. Now poor infected Lincoln wants onion rings. Hah. Wheat grass juice is Walter's cure. Talking' 'bout my generation.



First scene of end reveal: What the...? Didn't Gaeta's Galen learn anything about drinking the koolaid?


I love this show.


Edited because Felix Gaeta is not Tyrol Galen.

Edited by shapeshifter, Mar 31, 2012 @ 5:49 PM.

[caws727]

The main things I took out of this ep, is that Olivia has a nephew??? Love this. And Walter's face when Peter hugged him. I melt. Poor Lincoln, you deserve better. Good guy indeed.

[lizw65]

It's The Island of Doctor Moreau!
And I'm pretty sure the guy at the end was the same one who played Moreau in The Transformation; I just re-watched it a few days ago. He must be about the 8639th person to die in a car crash (or fake their death in a car crash on Fringe!

[AimingforYoko]

I just love that the next stage in human evolution is a flying porcupine.

[Princess Lucky]

Finally, an intense episode that had tons of beautiful character moments, dealt with repercussions of season-long stories, advanced the DRJ plot, properly utilised all the major players, was action-packed and awe-inducing. Bravo. Awesome.

I loved the initial scene with Olivia, the reveal about her nephew must have been jarring. As I and others have been saying, it's very problematic for the Blue Olivia to live in the Amber world. She thinks she can handle it, but can she? The episode dealt with that in an interesting way, not just regarding her emotional status but also regarding her status as a Fringe agent. That said, I was also somewhat struck by what Broyles said, praising the Amber Olivia he knew (in contrast to Amber Olivia's thought that Blue Olivia is better than her). Hm. Olivia is awesome in any incarnation, I guess. Broyles and Lincoln spoke very highly/warmly about poor Amber Olivia and I appreciated that.

The one thing I didn't like was the 60/40% reference. That's awfully simplistic. I guess they needed to indicate where Olivia is at, but I think her forgotten nephew, the forgotten discussion with Lincoln as well as her comfort level with Peter were enough, an actual number (put on someone's memories? Let alone emotions? By a psychiatrist? How scientific...?) was too heavy-handed in my opinion.

The Walter/Peter moments were AMAZING. The beer with the bow? Aw. I also thought the Peter/Lincoln moments were well done, I love those two together. And the Walter/Lincoln moments? So adorable. And it was also great to see the "old" Peter and Olivia, working a case as a couple. Aw again. So much cuteness tonight.

Oh and how will the mutants play into the overall story? I don't know. But they are cool.

Not cool? Walter exiting a bathroom holding "HUMP".

Edited by Princess Lucky, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:30 PM.

[Money Magnet]

Did anyone think a FLYING porcupine was just too much? Not me. Like, was that scene somehow disrupting the hard-hitting verisimilitude of the Fringe universe? LOL.

This was a delightful COTW, it could have been boring but wasn't. You knew a COTW was coming because we were pulling out of four ultra serious sweeps episodes about love and mythology. I loved the end where Walter was holding court surrounded by the Fringe family. (Although Astrid seems continually put-upon.)

I loved the big fake-out where they recreated the first scene of "The Transformation" shot for shot, except the porcupine DIDN'T come out of the bathroom. Ha ha.

I could have done without Lincoln moping over Olivia, but since that's clearly just a setup for next week where he goes Over There.

I, too, still don't understand why Olivia would forget conversations she'd just recently had. Still waiting for an explanation but I sense there will be none. :-) I guess the idea is that somewhere out there a Blue Olivia has been going about her business all along and maybe she's had adventures this season we'll never know about.

The last scene was kind of confusing: is this just a standalone ending, or does Jones have something to do with this Noah's Ark of freaks? Not so much a WTF ending as a "Huh?" ending.

I guess they needed to indicate where Olivia is at, but I think her forgotten nephew, the forgotten discussion with Lincoln as well as her comfort level with Peter were enough, an actual number (put on someone's memories? Let alone emotions? By a psychiatrist? How scientific...?)

Broyles was simply referring to the percentage of questions about her life that Olivia got wrong in the interview.

Edited by Money Magnet, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:33 PM.

[lizw65]

Did the Observer show up in this episode? Apparently he was on the plane in the Transformation episode, but I didn't see him at all in this one.

[Princess Lucky]

I guess they needed to indicate where Olivia is at, but I think her forgotten nephew, the forgotten discussion with Lincoln as well as her comfort level with Peter were enough, an actual number (put on someone's memories? Let alone emotions? By a psychiatrist? How scientific...?)

Broyles was simply referring to the percentage of questions about her life that Olivia got wrong in the interview.

But he said "if you're 60% of the Olivia Dunham I knew" etc, and to me that seemed clunky. The initial estimate that Olivia's memories of specific facts were 40% off was literal (though it still didn't take into account Olivia's emotional state) but that last comment by Broyles? I get that it wasn't meant to be taken literally and that's all Broyles has to go on, it was just a bit heavy-handed for me. It was like a status update, all "btw for those of you keeping track at home, Blue Olivia is currently at 40% integration".

[GreenPhoenix]

I hope it occurred to them to keep tabs on the woman (Mel?) involved in everything after she was released from the hospital. Or at least charged her with assaulting a federal officer or something.

I liked what Broyles said to Olivia at the end. It took him long enough . . . if Peter can become a valuable asset, there's no reason why a "partial" Olivia can't be.

Noah's Ark of freaks

That's an interesting way to put it. Maybe after DRJ destroys both universes, he wants these advanced beings to take over the Earth and repopulate it?

Edited by GreenPhoenix, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:47 PM.

[Makenna]

Did the Observer show up in this episode? Apparently he was on the plane in the Transformation episode, but I didn't see him at all in this one.

I actually caught the observer for once. I was so excited.
He was walking on the sidewalk as Peter and Lincoln pulled up outside of the second suspect's house.

[shapeshifter]

I could have done without Lincoln moping over Olivia

Yeah. Ugh. And the 60/40 reveal that indicates we have not returned to the blueverse. Sigh.
OK. Just so long as the Original Blue Olivia doesn't wind up accusing Peter of cheating on her with the Wrong Olivia again. Because that would be a shark jumping over a soap opera.

[Coco27]

This episodes had so many great one liners. Pinkner and Goldman surely had a blast writing it.

Good
Walter was awesome.
The characters interactions were also very good. We know where everybody's' at (Linc/Peter, Nina/Olivia, Peter/Walter, Broyles/Olivia, etc).
The story moved forward.
Totally in love with Markham. Also loved PO little trick to get him talking.
Peter playing with the toy and hiding it when he sees Broyles.
Olivia making a joke (!)
The twist in the opening
The music

The not so good
Poor Lincoln seems so useless now, i'm bored with him
I wish they would be a little more creative with their COTW. A flying porcupine? That's not fringy, that's just weird.

Really enjoyed the episode. So many little moments (like all of them gathering into Walter's bedroom) made me smile tonight. I love these characters.

Edited by Coco27, Mar 30, 2012 @ 10:36 PM.

[Jodhaa]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Loved the twist at the beginning. I couldn't believe they were using the same footge from S1 but then the twist of the guy coming out of the bathroom normal. That was cool. But I think I would have rather the MOTW be put aside this week and concentrated on more of Olivia losing her memories and the repercussion of that. Did Peter discuss with her what September said? Did he tell Walter?
I wanted to see this explored more. I think they should have put the case aside and dealt with the emotional stuff instead of just a few scenes.

[lasher]

Wow, this episode was boring. Better luck next week Fringe writers.

[Indi]

I suppose DRJ is behind the hybrids experiment, since he appeared in the "previously..." and Olivia mentioned him every five minutes, but did he create the cult, too?

I don't understand why Olivia doesn't remember her meeting with Lincoln at the diner. Peter was back by the, wasn't he?

"You are a good man." And completely boring.

[Jodhaa]

The last scene was kind of confusing: is this just a standalone ending, or does Jones have something to do with this Noah's Ark of freaks? Not so much a WTF ending as a "Huh?" ending.

Someone mentioned they were all Fringe creatures from seasons 1 & 2?
I don't remember all the creatures so not sure this is accurate.

Edited by Jodhaa, Mar 30, 2012 @ 11:35 PM.

[JodyA]

"You are a good man." And completely boring.

I couldn't help thinking of Faux in that line..."I like the good guys..."

[simplyme1810]

The MOTW was to weird for me. Who would willingly want to become a flying porcupine? I don't understand how does hybrids are suppose to be better than humans. Do the hybrids even have opposable thumbs?
I felt bad for Lincoln, but him moping the entire episode was tiresome. I loved the moment between Peter and Walter and the scene with Walter and the gang in his bedroom. I think Olivia's memory issues aren't being held to well. How come she remembers Lincoln? They met for the first time in the rewritten timeline (when we first met Lincoln she was Bellivia).

Someone mentioned they were all Fringe creatures from seasons 1 & 2?

I saw squid (2x09, Snakehead)
The tail of rattlesnake (1x16, Unleashed. I'm pretty sure that creature had the tail of rattlesnake)
Some tarantula legs. Can't remember seeing them in any episode.

What in the world is DRJ up to, some weird freak petting zoo?

[jloub]

I don't understand why Olivia doesn't remember her meeting with Lincoln at the diner. Peter was back by the, wasn't he?

But Olivia's memories weren't back. While she was having cortexiphan injections she had not experienced the magnetic field or catalyst that she did in Welcome to Westfield. My opinion is that the memories returned due to that event AND the cortexiphan. The doctor at the beginning of this episode made mention of the fact that ThisOlivia remembers something (although I can't remember what myself, must rematch to get specifics) because she was 'already becoming this version of Olivia" (paraphrased). The diner conversation occurred before the memories emerged.

Noah's Ark of freaks

Noah's Ark was certainly my first thought. A flood (storm) is coming...

"You are a good man." And completely boring.

I couldn't help thinking of Faux in that line..."I like the good guys..."

I also thought of Faux. Knowing that 4x17 is OverThere in the preview, let's see where that path leads ;)

[Princess Lucky]

I don't understand why Olivia doesn't remember her meeting with Lincoln at the diner. Peter was back by the, wasn't he?

This is my biggest issue with this development. In last week's episode thread I wrote this:

we're speculating on whether there will be a merge/fusion or whether she will experience a total switch and revert back to Blue Olivia, with all her memories and feelings. I would say that, perhaps, she will return to that moment of Peter vanishing (the last time Blue Olivia existed) and go from there. So, I guess, all the events that took place after Peter vanished (i.e. after the bridge was created/became functional) will be erased from her mind. Perhaps that's why she was all "omg Nina if I forget this breakfast meeting remind me" (which, I agree, was really weird. Like, will Olivia also forget that kiss with Peter at the end of the episode? I mean, what?).

So if Blue Olivia's memories end at the moment Peter vanished, when will they start again? Amber Olivia has memories for her whole life, but she has started losing them. She appears to think she may lose memories she is even now making, like the breakfast meeting with Nina. So when will she start forming new memories as BlueAmber Olivia? Maybe when she is fully Blue, i.e. when she loses all her Amber memories? That seems... unecessarily complicated. Especially if she won't lose her memories completely.

My questions remain, except last week we had Liv's fear that she might forget the conversation with Nina and this week we got confirmation that she has already forgotten a conversation with Lincoln that took place recently (and, indeed, after Peter showed up so his arrival isn't the new starting point). Like, will Olivia eventually be forgetting this very episode? How is her brain functioning right now? With that whole 60/40 business it's clear she's not fully Blue Olivia yet. So is she forming new memories right now? Or not? And as who? Will she remember this episode in the morning (if you will)?

If she's still forming memories as Amber Olivia, then she should forget this entire season (including this week's episode, right?), until she is 100% Blue Olivia (i.e. with all her blue memories back and all her amber memories gone) and then she can start making memories again.

If she's forming new memories as Blue Olivia, why worry about the convo with Nina last week? And what was the starting point, if it wasn't Peter's arrival? That doesn't quite track, in my opinion.

(does any of that make sense?)

[prodigalchicken]

I loved this episode for so many reasons. Peter/Walter. Peter/Olivia (he is pouring her wine and calls her 'Liv!). Peter/Lincoln. Great case revisit. Good times, people. Good times.

[EmeraldCity68]

With that whole 60/40 business it's clear she's not fully Blue Olivia yet.

Not necessarily. I viewed the 60/40 business completely different. It is not hard to believe that no matter what universe you grow up in, you will share about 60% of the same experiences with every other version of you. 40% of those experiences will be different. That is how I read that scene. Olivia is completely Blue Olivia again, and she just happens to have experienced 60% of her life exactly like Amber Olivia did.

Someone mentioned they were all Fringe creatures from seasons 1 & 2?
I don't remember all the creatures so not sure this is accurate.

From what I saw in the ship, this is pretty accurate. You would never catch me in the bowels of that ship taking care of those things. Hybrids and parasites give me the creeps.

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Loved the twist at the beginning. I couldn't believe they were using the same footge from S1 but then the twist of the guy coming out of the bathroom normal.

Were they using the same footage interspersed with new footage? I spent most of the scene trying to figure that out. I knew at least the twist was new footage, but I'm wondering if what came before that was old footage. Pretty impressive job if it was both old and new footage.

The MOTW was to weird for me. Who would willingly want to become a flying porcupine?

From reading local and national news stories, I don't find it too hard to believe that DRJ could find some nutjobs out there that are willing to become living science experiments.

I loved this episode for so many reasons. Peter/Walter. Peter/Olivia (he is pouring her wine and calls her 'Liv!). Peter/Lincoln. Great case revisit. Good times, people. Good times.

I loved all the small character moments in this episode. It was really nice to see Walter, Peter, Olivia, Astrid, and Lincoln working together as a team to solve the case. Loved that Broyles and the 10th floor came to the logical conclusion that basically any version of Agent Dunham is an asset to the team. May have to try Walter's PB and bacon combo, even if it sounds a little too salty. Definitely good times tonight.

[LightPhoenix]

Some tarantula legs. Can't remember seeing them in any episode.

Pretty certain it's supposed to be a reference to Alt-Charlie's spider infection.

[calguy2009]

I couldn't help thinking of Faux in that line..."I like the good guys..." [/font] ]

She actually said "I like the nice guys".

[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,]My questions remain, except last week we had Liv's fear that she might forget the conversation with Nina and this week we got confirmation that she has already forgotten a conversation with Lincoln that took place recently (and, indeed, after Peter showed up so his arrival isn't the new starting point). Like, will Olivia eventually be forgetting this very episode?[/font]

Remember that it was the same episode in which Olivia got knocked out by Meana and dosed by cortexiphan.

[CabotsintheWind]

I liked this episode. As much as I would rather see the main arc moved along at a faster pace, I like monsters and trying to find something to sympathize with them.

I noticed tonight that Olivia was wearing a wonderful gray shirt. Is this the first time she's done so this season? I seem to remember a lot of blues at the beginning. It would seem her transition to Blue Olivia is affecting her wardrobe as well.

Walter was wonderful as usual, but he seemed off some how? Slower, and not in a "I just smoked a joint" way. Has anyone else noticed that or is it my interpretation?

I love Peter. That is all.

[calguy2009]

Another thing is that we learned that Conrad died in a car crash 5 years ago even though he was alive in S1 episode "Transformation". Just like in "The Firefly" Peter's erasure has caused changes that are both obvious and unforeseen.

[Nothar]

Not necessarily. I viewed the 60/40 business completely different. It is not hard to believe that no matter what universe you grow up in, you will share about 60% of the same experiences with every other version of you. 40% of those experiences will be different. That is how I read that scene. Olivia is completely Blue Olivia again, and she just happens to have experienced 60% of her life exactly like Amber Olivia did.

I agree completely with this. I just assumed that the 60% of their lives that were the same was due to shared experiences. We must remember that 1 change that led to all the differences between the 2 timelines is the existence of Peter. The fact that 40% of her life was different is a huge difference for such a seemingly small change. We know that no Peter led to her being raised by Nina which likely led to many of the differences. It is remarkable that 1 person not existing could lead to so many changes.

[MichaelaRae]

The scene in the psychiatrist's office was cracking me up only because it was such a throwback to Fringe's big sister, Alias. The mandated head check with the frustrated agent and the bureau/agency shrink. Right down to way the scene was shot, where the characters were sitting - hell, even some of the lines were very nearly verbatim.

[swingkidpt]

Poor Gaeta. The porcupines looked so sad at the end.

And I too was sad that Olivia forgot her conversation with Lincoln.

Edited by swingkidpt, Mar 31, 2012 @ 10:38 AM.