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[TWoP Tennison]

Drinking.

[Gwonk]

1) Mr. Fizzles is the best thing this whole season

2) Yes, Dean. I feel the same way about shojos myself. I mean, it's either magical girl or harem or Girl Meets Boy or something. I prefer shonen derpiness.

3) Garth is infinitely amusing in a TV show full of BLEAKNESS, ANGST, MISERY. Therefore he is scheduled to die, alas.

4) I wish I could be more concerned about Bobby but he is in Supernatural; where sacrifices mean naught and you are brought back in the most absurd way possible to drag the pointless storyline anguish over coals again and again

[JDavitt]

What was that? WHAT WAS THAT?

That was dire. Clunky writing, terrible pacing, SEVEN MINUTES IN when we first saw Dean and Sam, huge chunks of the story when they were MIA. That pointless guest star AGAIN. The Bobby reveal that had me rolling my eyes.

Gah.

Hated it.

[hat]

Well, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It was enjoyable, and did have a sense of old SPN. Garth is ok, in small doses, so I hope that he will be back, but not for a long while.

I really enjoyed the give and take on the information, without the usual exposition fairy. It's been a long time since knowledge was shared between the brothers, instead of one knowing everything.

I also enjoyed the working together to kill the thing, whatever the name was. Kind of the same play as Everybody Loves a Clown. Actually, it seemed a mix between that and Ring.

Bobby's ghost. No surprise there and I wish for once SPN could just surprise me. But, it won't ever take chances. Too bad. It would have been more interesting if what was happening to Dean had nothing to do with Bobby.

Still, an episode that didn't make me pull my hair out too much, so it was good. Not great, but good. A surprise from Glass, since I'd given up on him.

[jediknight]

So if you see a family member being killed by something invisible, just stand there and do nothing. Really they couldn't have at least written in that guy running over, and trying to stop it somehow? Come on Supernatural, at least put something in that doesn't make the guy look like a complete idiot.

I'm disappointed there was no followup to Leviathan wanting to cure cancer. It hasn't even been mentioned the last couple of episodes. That's a pretty big plot point to not mention.

I was hoping we weren't going to get ghostBobby. Bobby gets to come back but Zachariah and The Trickster are dead.

[DesiJ]

Wow, an episode I didn't think was boring. Will wonders never cease.

Nice to see ghost Bobby.

[Isabelle417]

I feel like they squandered an opportunity for almost an entire episode of idiotic drunken hi-jinxs from the boys, and this makes me sad. Otherwise, I was mildly entertained for an hour, so I can't complain too much.

[Parcae3]

Well, that was just not a very good episode.

I didn't mind Garth, he's kind of cute. The Drunk stuff was kind of funny. But the first 5-8 minutes of the ep was painfully boring. I was rooting for all of the kids to die just so they would get off my screen. The best part was the whole "Dean trying to kill the Shojo" scene. Loved that! And I was so excited when the sword moved to Dean, because I thought we were finally getting somewhere with this story and the possibilities were so cool!!!

And then they revealed it was Bobby.

Really, Show? What a weak and pathetic explanation. I mean, really? So I guess burning bones and salting your motel rooms no longer works against ghosts? They just violated their own canon.

And making it Bobby is just a huge cop out. It could have been something exciting and they went for the most mundane explanation. And now we are stuck with Ghost Bobby, continuing to drive Dean more around the bend.

Ugh, weak, Show, very weak. And incredibly disappointing that you guys lack any kind of imagination.

Forgot to say that I adored Dean calling and checking in on Castiel, so sweet!!

And was that little girl the same little girl who was blonde Lilith in season 3, season 4? She looked the same, but it's probably too long ago for it to be her.

Edited by Parcae3, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:21 PM.

[sallysweeet]

One of the best things I can say about this episode is that I didn't think it was as bad, bad, bad as last week's episode. This episode, however, was pretty lame and predictable. I think Glass is a very elementary writer, the script seemed very "ABC."

It was very predictable that it was Bobby, even with the show's "powers that be" saying it wasn't Bobby and that the Winchesters were just grieving. Actually, I think Sam spouted the same lines that Sera said in an interview. However, I'm not sure I understand how or why it's Bobby, since he was burned, unless Bobby left a piece of himself in or on the flask, which...ewww.

I loved Dean checking in on Castiel. awww.

Dean wielding a sword will always be hot!

Even though I didn't like the Bobby reveal, Jensen killed me in that scene.

Edited by sallysweeet, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:27 PM.

[awab]

It was pretty harmless and even fun and Dean was awesome and finally get the kill but the end! Why would they think it's good thing to ruin it all with Bobby's reappearance? Why him? Can he actually stay dead for Dean to be able to mourn him? Can they stop making joke out of all deaths?
Yeah, I know, rhetorical.

[hat]

The best part was the whole "Dean trying to kill the Shojo" scene.

Dean wielding a sword will always be hot!

I have to ditto both of these. I think this is probably why I enjoyed this episode more than most of this season. Not only did Dean have the sword, but he actually got to use it.

My question for Bobby's ghost is, why is Bobby haunting Dean?

[Gwonk]

I also enjoyed the working together to kill the thing, whatever the name was.

The Shojo, also a Japanese sea ghost is harmless. Shojo have bright red hair and love drinking and parties. In fact they can be lured from their usual pastime of dancing on waves by offering them sake (strong rice wine.)
http://ghosts.monstrous.com/ghosts_around_the_world/

So basically nothing at all like what it really is because SPN has that whole "screw the source material!!" thing going.

Also the name of a Japanese manga / anime / etc. genre made up of cute girls and flowers and Sailor Moon. Which confused me for a good while.

If you're going Japanese, I still want my death-by-ass via kappa stupid writers.

[Lemuria]

Isabelle, I have to admit that I'm on the opposite side of the fence: I'm really glad that they didn't go for any drunken hi-jinx (especially as I'm pretty sure I know which one of them would have been the butt of the jokes). I did get a kick out of the fact that the one time it would have done Dean good to have a drink, he was dead sober!

I didn't want it to be Bobby but something/someone truly unexpected. Or something to do with Dean, which would be a nice change. Too much to hope for, I guess.

[MichaelaBelle]

About all having Bobby as a ghost is going to accomplish is eventually creating more angst when Sam and Dean have to say goodbye to Bobby forever for the second time. I still think it very OOC for Bobby to chose to become a ghost. But if he became a ghost to help the brothers defeat the Leviathans, boy must he be disappointed in how they are ignoring them.

[BostonTeaParty]

That was on par with 'Route 666', 'Bugs' and 'Red Sky at Dawn' (or whatever that fuckery was called). Horror's one thing but to be forced to live bad writing? Even the guzzling of slivovitz (mmm...gorgeous, insanely tall Croatian men) and the brief Bobby appearance couldn't redeem this train wreck.

The only surprise was the mention of Castiel. I guess I should have taken that bet against Demian afterall.

Edited by BostonTeaParty, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:36 PM.

[Kendall95]

Relative newbie to SPN here, but I'm catching up via DVDs.

Was the sake enchanted or something, because that little girl was drunk not 10 seconds after she sipped her mother's juice. Even in someone that young, doesn't alcohol have to actually get to the brain before the person is affected?

I feel like they squandered an opportunity for almost an entire episode of idiotic drunken hi-jinxs from the boys, and this makes me sad.

IA. After the drama of last week, I was looking forward to seeing the Winchester boys completely wasted.

Boring episode overall. Although my heart went out to Dean in that last scene. And I'm glad that he and Sam acknowledged that Cass got royally screwed last week.

[Cieley]

And making it Bobby is just a huge cop out. It could have been something exciting and they went for the most mundane explanation. And now we are stuck with Ghost Bobby, continuing to drive Dean more around the bend.

We are either stuck with Ghost Bobby, which sounds really stupid. (Is it going to be like the Real Ghostbusters, where the Ghostbusters have their little ghost buddy Slimer to hang around with them?)

Or Ghost Bobby will somehow heroically sacrifice himself to save them (AGAIN) and we will watch him get all choked up as he bids a sad farewell (AGAIN) to his boys and fades away (AGAIN). Which sounds even more stupid. Do the writers seriously expect that we are going to be fighting back tears when they decide to give us Bobby's second farewell tour?

OR the show will somehow figure out a way to bring Bobby back to life. Which makes Dean and Sam's grief at his death and attempts to come to terms with it totally and completely pointless, and thus sounds like the stupidest idea of all.

[Lemuria]

I'm also on the fence about Sam's using the "talking board". I can understand his trying it by himself, giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was genuinely concerned about Dean's being disappointed (and that it wasn't a reappearance of the "I'm not sharing what I know with you until I feel like it" Sam of seasons 3 & 4), but once he was convinced it wasn't Bobby, I think he should have told Dean what he'd done, instead of acting in that dismissive and belittling manner in "Slice Girls" (as an example). Why not tell Dean outright? What's with the secrets again? You'd think he'd learned how well that doesn't work out.

Edited by Lemuria, Mar 30, 2012 @ 9:41 PM.

[red velvet cake]

Was the sake enchanted or something, because that little girl was drunk not 10 seconds after she sipped her mother's juice.

I agree that was a little contrived. I don't think one sip of orange juice with vodka (I think that's what that was), even if it was loaded with vodka, would immediately make someone drunk. I decided to experiment and got into my parents liquor cabinet when I was about 10 and it took more than one sip to affect me.

I wanted the little girl to smack the crap out of the sockpuppet and Garth. That would have been funny!

Although my heart went out to Dean in that last scene.

Mine too.

I, at least, enjoyed this episode more than last week's episode.

[Parcae3]

We are either stuck with Ghost Bobby, which sounds really stupid. (Is it going to be like the Real Ghostbusters, where the Ghostbusters have their little ghost buddy Slimer to hang around with them?)

Or Ghost Bobby will somehow heroically sacrifice himself to save them (AGAIN) and we will watch him get all choked up as he bids a sad farewell (AGAIN) to his boys and fades away (AGAIN). Which sounds even more stupid. Do the writers seriously expect that we are going to be fighting back tears when they decide to give us Bobby's second farewell tour?

OR the show will somehow figure out a way to bring Bobby back to life. Which makes Dean and Sam's grief at his death and attempts to come to terms with it totally and completely pointless, and thus sounds like the stupidest idea of all.

I'm betting that some how the deus ex machina that is Bobby, will end up saving the day against the Leviathans, so we have another season finale with everyone but the Winchesters being important and doing something.

That was truly pathetic. I'm not surprised that it was Bobby, since the show all but telegraphed it. I'm surprised that they have lost that much self respect that they actually wrote it as Bobby.

[luccean]

I thought tonites episode was pretty good, and I miss Bobby so even though I figured the ghost was Bobby, it was still nice to see him appear.
Maybe its me, but I am still enjoying this show even though some of the episodes are, well, meh.

[Observe]

Apart from my sheer boredom at most of this episode, color me not at all surprised Bobby seems to be back, and also not at all impressed at the show's cynicism in rendering what I felt was a touching tribute to the character (Death's Door) utterly moot. Or even redundant, to borrow one of Gamble's favorite words. No doubt ghost ex machina will now solve every case the brothers investigate as they totally avoid tackling what is supposed to be the villain of the century.

I seriously can't believe we are getting filler this late in the game.

Nice to see Cas get a mention. All downhill from there imo, the one highpoint being Ackles reminding me that he's one of the best actors on TV at the moment, and far too good for this dreck.

Edited by Observe, Mar 30, 2012 @ 11:22 PM.

[yimhappy]

I don't care. I'm glad that Bobby is back in some capacity. I can forgive "deus ex machina" if it's done by characters I love. It's better than random chance saves.

Also, SPN has had all season to make us afraid for Sam/Dean. It hasn't worked. I have no fear for the leads, although of course I like them. But I only fear for the supporting characters.

I think that I might have to watch this episode. I can always fast forward thru Garth if he gets annoying

Edited by yimhappy, Mar 30, 2012 @ 11:43 PM.

[stealthyone]

Dear Supernatural: Bringing Bobby back as a ghost is one of the reasons it's hard to care when you kill people on this show. Nobody's dead. Then again, I got tired of Bobby awhile ago, so that could be part of why I found his death yawnworthy.

I do admit I felt sad for him at the end when he thought Dean saw him but Dean didn't. But ugh, do we have to go through a dead!Bobby story all over again? And watch the boys angst over him dying again? It was meh enough the first time around.

On another note, I enjoyed Garth. I love that while he could be easily dismissed as an inefficient hunter just on his looks/physique, he's pretty darned good, and quite smart.

[AuntTora]

It played a little like a pilot for The Garth Show. A show I would not watch. Even if he put his hair in Pippi Longstocking braids and wore gingham. Mr. "Fizzles"?

[stealthyone]

Ugh. I just realized there's a really good chance that a large chunk of this season's remaining episodes are going to involve Bobby and Cas. Do. Not. Want.

Even though I feel this season is better than last season (which, really, it's not hard to top the disaster that was last season), I'm ready for Show to end if we're just going to get recycled storylines and resurrected characters over and over and over again.

[lynnea6]

Well, I didn't hate Garth in this episode. Bel Biv Devoe, heh. It was nice to see Dean get the kill, and it was amusing that he was the only hunter who wasn't drunk. I'm glad they didn't drag the Bobby "secret" out any longer.

I'm not up on my 1970s POS cars, but it looks like they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. I can't believe the boys would steal a car like that (or that the car would still be operable).

[Aeryn13]

When the beer vanished unseen, there was a little "is it Bobby or is it Cas?" but the next "mysterious" instance pretty much made it clear it was Bobby. Everyone and their dog speculated it was Bobby. So now what? This was going to be a big S.u.r.p.r.i.s.e? Tribes as of yet untouched by civilization knew it was Bobby's ghost. Come on.

Why were they even talking about it in this obnoxious "this is our thing/no, it isn't" manner? Dean was right all along, just as the entire freaking audience. And making Sam the Gamble-sockpuppet to spout the same lines she has given in a recent interview as to "oh, we're just playing around with their grief" - it was almost literally the same words - just to pull an "awesome twist"? Makes no sense. They both should have been "yeah, it's Bobby's ghost" from the start.

So, Sam secretely did a talking board shtick? Just to confirm for himself? Oh my, not that shit again. Pool your resources on that kind of shit. Also, if he feels perfectly okay to do stuff like that by himself, why does he hound Dean later with the "I totally heard you, now you MUST tell me everything". Tit for tat, buster.

And I just knew they didn't have the balls to kill off the character for real. He even deus ex machina-ed as an unseen ghost. So this will end either in another "he will heroically sacrifice himself to take down the Leviathans and they'll have to grieve for REALZ (well) this time" or they'll bring him back permanently.

So, screw you, show, screw you very much.

Other than that, the episode was a competent enough comedy filler. Garth had more of a presence than in his last episode but I wish they would make up their minds on what kind of hunter he is supposed to be. Is he actually too inept to really stay alive in this line of work or is he supposed to just put on a fool persona?

I liked that Dean got the kill. Rare these days and welcome.

[vesper19]

I wanted the little girl to smack the crap out of the sockpuppet and Garth. That would have been funny!

No kidding! I thought that scene illustrated just how bloody awful this episode was written. First, there's no police or forensics after the mom is murdered? They'd be there throughout the night, and I doubt the family would stay in the house. I guess budget cuts = no money for extras. Then Dean & Garth show up in street clothes and proceed to question the poor girl in the most insufferable manner. A child witnesses her mother brutally killed before her eyes and the idiots at SPN play it for laughs? Not only was it so not funny, it was insulting and came off as mean and insensitive. This was by far the worst episode I've seen regardless of season. A Ring/Grudge rip-off with the lame Garth who is not only unamusing, but predictable and boring. I was sick of him within 5 minutes (if that). The so called "plot" was convoluted and uninteresting; thank god for the fast-forward button!

The played out reactions from Sam & Dean are fast becoming quite old as well. You can foresee every eye-roll, head-shake, and facial expression coming a mile away. The acting is pretty much paint by numbers at this point. They're capable of a lot more and it's a damn shame that the writers give them so little of substance to play. And I lost track of how many times they got drunk and sober repeatedly in the same evening. A few seasons back they made fun of CSI Miami, but now SPN has become the show that's easy to spoof. These last two seasons are so far removed from the first five it's hard to believe it's the same show. TPTB don't even pretend to care about creative, logical, consistent storytelling anymore. I've said it before, I really believe the fact that the fandom is so passionate has led them to believe that the masses will eagerly eat up whatever slop they're served and be happy about it. There's no other explanation as to why this show has slipped so far into mediocrity.

It's hard to fathom why the writers insist on pointless, boring filler eps, especially this close to the end of the season (I've never heard of good tv shows having "filler" before I watched SPN). As predicted, there were only a few sentences regarding Cas. The Bobby reveal was not surprising, but I didn't mind because I do like the character, although they'll probably come up with some unimaginative, stupid reason why he's a ghost. God, please don't tell me it's the salvia on the flask. We know Dean doesn't wash bloody, mildew-soaked trench coats, but he should have cleaned that thing by now!

[sallybreeze]

I guess it was okay. Garth is meh. He has his moments. But the effin' sock puppet can go. I was just sort of disappointed, again, on how they can have Leviathans curing cancer and Cas in the looney bin with Nurse Meg, but they drop it all for a mildly entertaining episode.

What was with the Instant! drunk stuff? The little girl took one sip and was drunk before it hit her stomach. Garth did the same when he guzzled the beer. Do I hang out with such hardcore alcoholics that I don't know that light drinkers get instantly drunk? It was like they were shooting up the booze instead of drinking it. I thought maybe it was something to do with the monster being around, but they never explained it if it was. I swear the show gets worse and worse with the ridiculous plot holes each episode.

I wanted the boys to be a little more drunk. But I did enjoy how Dean ended up being the only one sober and had to rely on the drunk to tell him where he should slash through the air.

I guess Sam is all better. I'm not sure. They didn't really explain it. I only understood that he felt bad about Cas having the burden now. But I wanted to know if he can still remember the cage.

I didn't mind seeing Bobby. I never wanted him to die and I hated it when they killed him. So I'm down for whatever ghost story they have for him.

All in all, Adam Glass is pretty shitty writer. I didn't expect much from him and he didn't deliver much.