THE CELEBRITIES ARE TASKED WITH PRODUCING A VIRAL VIDEO TO PROMOTE O-CEDAR'S PRO-MIST MOP The teams must write, produce, and edit a viral video for the O-Cedar Pro-Mist Mop. The men turn on each other, when one half tries to protect their Project Manager. The women's team goes out on a limb with a risqu� concept. In a dramatic Boardroom, one more Celebrity hears The Donald's fateful words: "You're Fired!" Boardroom advisors: Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump.
12-5: "I'm Going to Mop the Floor With You" 2012.03.18
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, Mar 18 2012 07:45 PM
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#1
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 7:45 PM
#2
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:03 PM
I can't explain it, but this episode was just odd to me.
#3
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:05 PM
Aubrey nailed it about the bitchiness of their team. They should be embarassed.
Interesting that Don Jr piped up to defend Paul when Paul wasn't defending himself and piped up to defend the Mean Girls Trifecta saying they were the most creative.
Has he done this all along and I just didn't notice. I laughed and laughed when Jr was thrown for a loop after being asked his number.
If anyone sees the video of Penn getting hit in this episode please post it. He talked about it on Twitter. Clay said it was the most awkward conversation with 4 minutes of silence at the end.
As for AdamCarolla Gate, I watched this episode to try to catch the inconsistent editing. Penn's wideeyed expression appeared to be in a different place in the teaser versus when they came back from the commercial.
I fear my fav, Penn, is not going to make it to the finals. It might be Clay. Clay versus Aubrey might be very interesting
I think Tia would not have been fired but she was ready to go. This episode just goes to show that last week was all about Trump needing to fire two people.
Interesting that Don Jr piped up to defend Paul when Paul wasn't defending himself and piped up to defend the Mean Girls Trifecta saying they were the most creative.
Has he done this all along and I just didn't notice. I laughed and laughed when Jr was thrown for a loop after being asked his number.
If anyone sees the video of Penn getting hit in this episode please post it. He talked about it on Twitter. Clay said it was the most awkward conversation with 4 minutes of silence at the end.
As for AdamCarolla Gate, I watched this episode to try to catch the inconsistent editing. Penn's wideeyed expression appeared to be in a different place in the teaser versus when they came back from the commercial.
I fear my fav, Penn, is not going to make it to the finals. It might be Clay. Clay versus Aubrey might be very interesting
I think Tia would not have been fired but she was ready to go. This episode just goes to show that last week was all about Trump needing to fire two people.
Edited by bandita, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:09 PM.
#4
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:10 PM
I cannot wait for Aubrey to be fired. She's so incredibly annoying. And did I hear right when Theresa said she could be creative and write, then go on to say she has a ghostwriter for her books?
#5
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:13 PM
Obviously the big WTF moment where a double standard was implemented. I get Trump can do whatever he wants. I get that he probably power trips on the fact that he can do whatever he wants and so he purposefully stays inconsistent. But doesn't he get that while he's busy getting his nut on arbitrarily changing things for his own whim, he's also just cultivating more dislike in the viewers?
The women were shameful on a number of levels. I thought it was stupid for the game, but brilliant for the peace of mind for Tia to gracefully bow out. I not convinced she's entirely altruistic or centered on her own well being, but it was sold well as such. Plus, if she didn't "fall on her sword" Trump should have fired the lips just on principle.
A lot of hate from the men for Aubrey. I have no idea who is she is, so I'm not sure if it's from her professional life or if they are seeing a side of her that we don't because of the edit monkeys. She's juvenile and so she says needlessly shocking things, but she amuses me... so I'm not sure what is going on with the dislike.
The men seem pretty coherent still. I don't see them deconstructing into the same annoying, shrill white noise we get from the women. But the crack with Clay and Penn seems interesting. Those two seem like deep waters, underestimated. It'll be fun to see how that goes if they keep working at cross purposes.
The women were shameful on a number of levels. I thought it was stupid for the game, but brilliant for the peace of mind for Tia to gracefully bow out. I not convinced she's entirely altruistic or centered on her own well being, but it was sold well as such. Plus, if she didn't "fall on her sword" Trump should have fired the lips just on principle.
A lot of hate from the men for Aubrey. I have no idea who is she is, so I'm not sure if it's from her professional life or if they are seeing a side of her that we don't because of the edit monkeys. She's juvenile and so she says needlessly shocking things, but she amuses me... so I'm not sure what is going on with the dislike.
The men seem pretty coherent still. I don't see them deconstructing into the same annoying, shrill white noise we get from the women. But the crack with Clay and Penn seems interesting. Those two seem like deep waters, underestimated. It'll be fun to see how that goes if they keep working at cross purposes.
#6
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:14 PM
I thought the women's concept was seriously cringe-worthy. But Lisa did a great job at faking sincerity!
I don't think Penn was condescending so much as he was obstructionist. I was surprised Dee and Arsenio picked Paul, Sr., instead of Penn to be brought back.
I don't think Penn was condescending so much as he was obstructionist. I was surprised Dee and Arsenio picked Paul, Sr., instead of Penn to be brought back.
#7
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:17 PM
Aubrey is the biggest offender of talking smack and being catty and unprofessional, so her claims at the boardroom table were a total WTF to me?? She seems really hard to work with.
The way they throw each other under the bus is so cringeworthy.
Props to Clay for actually confronting Penn. I love Penn, but he does seem a bit of a diva.
This season has such no-name celebrities.
I kinda want to see Theresa step up to the plate. Aubrey, Lisa and Debbie really need their bubble to be burst. Such awful teammates. My god.
The way they throw each other under the bus is so cringeworthy.
Props to Clay for actually confronting Penn. I love Penn, but he does seem a bit of a diva.
This season has such no-name celebrities.
I kinda want to see Theresa step up to the plate. Aubrey, Lisa and Debbie really need their bubble to be burst. Such awful teammates. My god.
Edited by Jersey09, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:21 PM.
#8
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:17 PM
I think that Tia was willing to fight for herself and her concept, but after hearing Aubrey speak, she was ready to suicide herself out of the game to get away from all that yapping. Honestly, I do not blame her. Aubrey's speaking made me want to stab myself in the eardrums. I'm glad Tia left on her own terms - I enjoyed seeing her on DWTS way back when and I still have respect for her, which is not always the case when famous people come on reality shows.
I loved Arsenio's reaction shots to the board room, especially to Aubrey. Glad to see the guys aren't super enamored of her somehow.
I kind of wished the guys had lost just so Lou would be gone, but, honestly, who's to say he would've actually been fired if they had lost?
I love Clay, but his awkward laughing during the confrontational parts of tonight's episode was just weird. I hope he and Penn can work out their differences, because I enjoy both of them.
When the guys were leaving the board room, I thought how tiny Clay looked next to Lou...and then I saw the ladies leave and thought how huge Teresa looked next to Aubrey.
I loved Arsenio's reaction shots to the board room, especially to Aubrey. Glad to see the guys aren't super enamored of her somehow.
I kind of wished the guys had lost just so Lou would be gone, but, honestly, who's to say he would've actually been fired if they had lost?
I love Clay, but his awkward laughing during the confrontational parts of tonight's episode was just weird. I hope he and Penn can work out their differences, because I enjoy both of them.
When the guys were leaving the board room, I thought how tiny Clay looked next to Lou...and then I saw the ladies leave and thought how huge Teresa looked next to Aubrey.
#9
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:17 PM
I love Clay and Aubrey, but for completely different reasons.
Rarely does a celebrity on this show have as much sincerity as Clay. Even though the men have been gunning for Lou for weeks, Clay still wasn't going to write him off. It took guts to stand up to Penn that way. Also, it was nice to see Clay help Lou with his speech and get a glimpse into Clay's pre-Idol career. Overall, Clay had a great week.
Aubrey, on the other hand, is crazy. At least her craziness is entertaining. Calling Tia old (twice!) and hitting on the youngest Trump were great. I don't respect her the way I respect Clay, but I hope they both stick around.
As for Tia, I'm so tired of people giving up the boardroom. I think celebrities wave the white flag to save what's left of their egos and it's no fun.
What is AdamCarrolla Gate?
Rarely does a celebrity on this show have as much sincerity as Clay. Even though the men have been gunning for Lou for weeks, Clay still wasn't going to write him off. It took guts to stand up to Penn that way. Also, it was nice to see Clay help Lou with his speech and get a glimpse into Clay's pre-Idol career. Overall, Clay had a great week.
Aubrey, on the other hand, is crazy. At least her craziness is entertaining. Calling Tia old (twice!) and hitting on the youngest Trump were great. I don't respect her the way I respect Clay, but I hope they both stick around.
As for Tia, I'm so tired of people giving up the boardroom. I think celebrities wave the white flag to save what's left of their egos and it's no fun.
As for AdamCarolla Gate, I watched this episode to try to catch the inconsistent editing. Penn's wideeyed expression appeared to be in a different place in the teaser versus when they came back from the commercial.
What is AdamCarrolla Gate?
#10
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:20 PM
I have no idea who is she is
Hell, for me this sums up over half of the women's team. It's really hard to give a rat's ass about people I've never heard of or seen before. And the three I do recognize? Meh.
#11
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:20 PM
Has Aubrey caught a case of selective amnesia? Girl spent the last three years high as a kite, acting like a low budget Pam Anderson, and now she wants to talk about being a 'businesswoman' and 'representing women' and other nonsense*. Being the best in a bunch of embarrassingly mediocre people doesn't make you wonderful, honey. I loved Tia's outrage about being called 50. She's been 45 for the last six years, Aubrey, get it together.
*PS don't make comments about how the other women are catty when your eyes roll around faster than a stopwatch during board meetings.
*PS don't make comments about how the other women are catty when your eyes roll around faster than a stopwatch during board meetings.
Edited by Rozen, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:21 PM.
#12
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:20 PM
What is AdamCarrolla Gate?
You have to listen to his podcast with Penn Jillette about last week's episode and the manipulation.
I thought it was funny as hell when the men reacted to Aubrey going off about Tia's age. I am going to start calling those girls the
Three Witches of Eastwick.
Oh, don't be claiming to be a writer when you turnaround in the next breath and say you have a ghostwriter.
Edited by bandita, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:24 PM.
#13
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:21 PM
Wanted to add that Aubrey is so acting a fool with all her jabs about age. Who the hell does she think is watching this? All the people I know who watch stupid reality TV such as this are 30 and 40-somethings who need to unwind after they put their kids to bed. Does she really think all the 20-somethings are flocking to watch Celebrity Apprentice?!? Ha ha.
#14
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:22 PM
Teresa just exposed herself to be so immature (and dumb!) by going after Patricia in such an obvious, reactionary way. Most of the time she seems like a deer caught in headlights. I'm with Patricia that she needs to go next. What does she actually contribute? How many times can she toss a table? Perhaps that is her only "talent."
On the opposite end of the spectrum was Penn's intelligence being perceived as condescension. I take it more that the other players are threatened by him (as they should be!). Or maybe it's just another example of shallow thinking-- kind of like how Paul considered George weak because he was quiet. I've been impressed with Penn throughout the show. He seems very levelheaded and seems to make decisions not out of self-interest but out of group interest. Clay just wants him gone so he can win this thing.
ETA:
Speaking of condescension, Donald is the definition of it. How condescending was he when talking to Lou about how great a job he did as a disabled person. I can't remember the exact wording but the way he was talking to him in the boardroom felt like he was talking to a child. "Good boy!" Donald is so gross!
On the opposite end of the spectrum was Penn's intelligence being perceived as condescension. I take it more that the other players are threatened by him (as they should be!). Or maybe it's just another example of shallow thinking-- kind of like how Paul considered George weak because he was quiet. I've been impressed with Penn throughout the show. He seems very levelheaded and seems to make decisions not out of self-interest but out of group interest. Clay just wants him gone so he can win this thing.
ETA:
Speaking of condescension, Donald is the definition of it. How condescending was he when talking to Lou about how great a job he did as a disabled person. I can't remember the exact wording but the way he was talking to him in the boardroom felt like he was talking to a child. "Good boy!" Donald is so gross!
Edited by bellblue, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:28 PM.
#15
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:23 PM
Glad Lou's team won - they were much better, imo.
Penn was using some silent treatment tactic with Clay. It disarms people and they often don’t know what to do. That was Penn’s way of saying “Fuck you, I’m finished with this discussion and I don’t care what you say.” I also don’t like it when people try to issue an order for someone not to use a particular word – if someone feels Penn is condescending, they have a right to say so.
The women are acting like a bunch of hens. Tia was ready to go.
Penn was using some silent treatment tactic with Clay. It disarms people and they often don’t know what to do. That was Penn’s way of saying “Fuck you, I’m finished with this discussion and I don’t care what you say.” I also don’t like it when people try to issue an order for someone not to use a particular word – if someone feels Penn is condescending, they have a right to say so.
The women are acting like a bunch of hens. Tia was ready to go.
#16
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:25 PM
This show just chooses a story line and steam rolls ahead with it despite the facts. I fear they've chosen Clay over Penn and from the previews I have a feeling that they will continue this made up feud of Clay's next week.
From what I saw, Penn didn't do anything wrong. He didn't like their idea, said so, and was then shut down by Clay before he could get a word in edgewise.
It could have gone two ways. First, Penn could have defended himself. But that would mean he would have been made to talk over Clay. That would have gotten him branded as a bully.
Second, he could have just clammed up and did his job. That's the option he chose. I think he realized that he was dealing with some very fragile egos who aren't capable of the kind of creative process Penn must use in his various shows.
For the record, Clay did not even try to mend fences with Penn. If he had, he is a poor, poor peacemaker. Penn as much said "This is the way I work" and Clay just through up a wall and went back to the condescending thing.
From what I saw, Penn didn't do anything wrong. He didn't like their idea, said so, and was then shut down by Clay before he could get a word in edgewise.
It could have gone two ways. First, Penn could have defended himself. But that would mean he would have been made to talk over Clay. That would have gotten him branded as a bully.
Second, he could have just clammed up and did his job. That's the option he chose. I think he realized that he was dealing with some very fragile egos who aren't capable of the kind of creative process Penn must use in his various shows.
For the record, Clay did not even try to mend fences with Penn. If he had, he is a poor, poor peacemaker. Penn as much said "This is the way I work" and Clay just through up a wall and went back to the condescending thing.
#17
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:26 PM
I think Trump needs to just get rid of the "Bring 2 people back" rule, and just fire someone in the general boardroom. People falling on their own sword is getting ridiculous. I don't think Trump liked Tia very much anyway though.
#18
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:27 PM
Aubrey was shown doing a lot of eye-rolling and sighing in response to other team member's suggestions. Then in the boardroom, she states that they didn't try to contribute.
Honestly, some of those other ideas she scoffed at would have been SO much better. Cinderella? What's wrong with Cinderella being able to be on time to the ball because she has an efficient mop? The "what's your number" thing isn't going to sell any mops, because, the NUMBER has nothing to do with the purchase. Unlike the "what's your sleep number?" mattress ad, where the number corresponds to a setting.
So what's more outrageous - Penn Jillette being a jerk to the Incredible hulk, or Clay Aiken telling him to shut the hell up?
That was great.
Honestly, some of those other ideas she scoffed at would have been SO much better. Cinderella? What's wrong with Cinderella being able to be on time to the ball because she has an efficient mop? The "what's your number" thing isn't going to sell any mops, because, the NUMBER has nothing to do with the purchase. Unlike the "what's your sleep number?" mattress ad, where the number corresponds to a setting.
So what's more outrageous - Penn Jillette being a jerk to the Incredible hulk, or Clay Aiken telling him to shut the hell up?
That was great.
#19
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:28 PM
DotsAndStripes wrote:
This. This little scene slipped my mind, but this was one of the best scenes I've seen. I can't stand Lou and want to see him in the backseat of a limo being sped far, far away from any camera. That being said, to see Clay work with patience and compassion and really help him nail his annunciation was a welcome glimpse that these people are not so vapid as portrayed (edited). It was a good reminder.
I love Penn, but he did come off as really petulant.
Also, it was nice to see Clay help Lou with his speech and get a glimpse into Clay's pre-Idol career.
This. This little scene slipped my mind, but this was one of the best scenes I've seen. I can't stand Lou and want to see him in the backseat of a limo being sped far, far away from any camera. That being said, to see Clay work with patience and compassion and really help him nail his annunciation was a welcome glimpse that these people are not so vapid as portrayed (edited). It was a good reminder.
I love Penn, but he did come off as really petulant.
#20
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:29 PM
Penn was using some silent treatment tactic with Clay.
He sure was. Clay said there was 4 minutes of silence at the end. I imagine Penn can be intimidating. He is big. I wouldn't be surprised if his IQ was in the mensa range. He said on twitter that just because he was worked well with Teller for 30 years doesnt mean he can work well with others..HA!
John Rich made some interesting comments on twitter about Tia. Didn't even mention her charity. Said the same thing about Aubrey. We knew Rich's charity from the beginning. I had to look up to see Tia's. It looks like it was After School All-Stars Hawaii.
Edited by bandita, Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:46 PM.
#21
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:29 PM
It pretty much is. If you watch RHONJ & the reunions, you'd see that she is rather stupid. In the reunions, sometimes Andy has to explain to her what someone else is saying because she doesn't seem to get it.How many times can she toss a table? Perhaps that is her only "talent[/b]."
Aubrey is like one of the most self unaware people I have ever seen on TV. It's like she's playing a character....only she's serious.
I also agree that the men's commercial was better.
#22
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:30 PM
Say what you want, but Trump was being consistent. Carrola tried to trump Trump, and he was punished for it. Since Tia asked first, that put Trump in control; therefore, no double firing.
#23
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:32 PM
if by "consistent" one means "can change rules arbitrarily" then yep - 100% consistent.
LOL, did anyone else find the sons behavior amusing?? The insistence to have the double entendre described for them or how they perk when the women's team comes in or how intrigued jr seemed when the idea of sexuality was first pitched (no pun)...
LOL, did anyone else find the sons behavior amusing?? The insistence to have the double entendre described for them or how they perk when the women's team comes in or how intrigued jr seemed when the idea of sexuality was first pitched (no pun)...
#24
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:35 PM
Well, given what happened last week, Tia falling on the sword should have meant another double-firing, since she did the same thing Adam did last week, which got both he and Michael Andretti fired. But, unfortunately, last week was all about Donald and his girly hissy fit about not getting the name Andretti in sparkly stage lights for the sponsor. I notice that the editing monkeys also threw Michael under the bus in the highlights from last week, claiming that "the men's team question Michael's role." No they didn't. TRUMP did, because TRUMP likely made a promise to Buick that he shouldn't have.
Aubrey. Holy hell, she's obnoxious and completely lacks self-awareness. All through the show, she retweets any fawning praise she gets from her Twitter followers. Oh, she did Tweet something original.
"It's so funny in society how you are loved until you have an opinion. "
No honey. You are not opinionated. You're mean, you're nasty, and you're catty. The cracks about Tia's age were inappropriate, and you do it EVERY WEEK to different teammates. Usually when they are the center of attention instead of you.
Arsenio: "Shhhh. Aubrey's going to say something!"
Penn: "I'll bet it's about herself."
Arsenio: "No wonder Diddy fired her."
So true.
Aubrey. Holy hell, she's obnoxious and completely lacks self-awareness. All through the show, she retweets any fawning praise she gets from her Twitter followers. Oh, she did Tweet something original.
"It's so funny in society how you are loved until you have an opinion. "
No honey. You are not opinionated. You're mean, you're nasty, and you're catty. The cracks about Tia's age were inappropriate, and you do it EVERY WEEK to different teammates. Usually when they are the center of attention instead of you.
Arsenio: "Shhhh. Aubrey's going to say something!"
Penn: "I'll bet it's about herself."
Arsenio: "No wonder Diddy fired her."
So true.
#25
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:38 PM
JMO, but Tia is way, way prettier than Aubrey despite their age difference, so Aubrey really should keep those knocks about Tia's age to herself.
#26
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:42 PM
Eh, the age jokes seemed to really highlight how immature Aubrey is. That Tia is obviously older just makes her... maturely elegant in comparison. Basically I don't think Aubrey's jokes reflected on Tia at all. They only made her look bad.
#27
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:45 PM
Aubrey can kiss my ass. She has got to be so insecure that she uses every chance she can get to look at the camera, spout off look-at-me, love-me lines. It will be interesting to see how things go when she is PM next week.
Don Jr. is way hotter than Eric, especially with his top button opened when he was visiting the girls.
Don Jr. is way hotter than Eric, especially with his top button opened when he was visiting the girls.
#28
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:55 PM
Aubrey: "All this catty side-chatter in the women's team is embarrassing as a woman."
Uh huh. And who was it who said, "O-Cedar has been around for a hundred years and so has Tia, so she should be PM."
Seriously, bitch, most of the catty side-chatter is coming from YOU.
"Set 'em up. Shoot 'em down" doesn't seem like a very effective brainstorming tool to me. Once you have ideas going, sure, punt the bad ones and refine the decent ones. But Penn wasn't giving any idea enough time to evolve into anything before he shot it down. I don't think Clay was threatened at all. I think he was frustrated by the big wall being thrown up by Penn.
I like Penn and I greatly respect his intelligence. But I do see in him what I see in a lot of intelligent people sometimes (myself included) -- the tendency to use his intelligence as a weapon of sorts. Someone like Lou can easily find his thoughts tied up in knots when an intelligent and articulate person like Penn talks them into the ground. Penn may not have even consciously realized he was doing it, but I know it's one of his abilities. I've seen him do it to well-deserving people on Bullshit plenty of times. I think Clay picked up on it and just got pissed off, which clearly took Penn aback. As Arsenio noted, Penn had so far received only praise from his team (and Trump). Deservedly so, I'd add. But this time, I do think he needed someone to say "shut up and give Lou some room to breathe."
I like Clay and Penn both. And I think they're both smart as whips. I really hope they work things out.
eta - I do think Lou's disability is one of the factors playing into Clay's frustration with Penn. Clay's spent a lot of time working with children with disabilities, and I think Lou's difficulty communicating may have brought out his protective instincts. I really loved the bit we saw where Clay showed Lou where to place his tongue to enunciate his Ds properly. He, Arsenio and Dee were all very patient with Lou, which he clearly needed if they were going to succeed.
Uh huh. And who was it who said, "O-Cedar has been around for a hundred years and so has Tia, so she should be PM."
Seriously, bitch, most of the catty side-chatter is coming from YOU.
So should she.Aubrey nailed it about the bitchiness of their team. They should be embarassed.
I agree that until tonight Penn has seemed "very levelheaded and seems to make decisions not out of self-interest but out of group interest" but tonight I think maybe he was blinded by how much he distrusts Lou's abilities and was just shooting down every idea he came up with, even before they were fully formed.On the opposite end of the spectrum was Penn's intelligence being perceived as condescension. I take it more that the other players are threatened by him (as they should be!). Or maybe it's just another example of shallow thinking-- kind of like how Paul considered George weak because he was quiet. I've been impressed with Penn throughout the show. He seems very levelheaded and seems to make decisions not out of self-interest but out of group interest. Clay just wants him gone so he can win this thing.
"Set 'em up. Shoot 'em down" doesn't seem like a very effective brainstorming tool to me. Once you have ideas going, sure, punt the bad ones and refine the decent ones. But Penn wasn't giving any idea enough time to evolve into anything before he shot it down. I don't think Clay was threatened at all. I think he was frustrated by the big wall being thrown up by Penn.
Again, that's not what I saw happening. It's not that they came up with a specific idea and Penn was shooting holes in it. That's a valid thing to do. They (mostly Lou) were tossing out possible ideas and Penn was torpedoing them before they could be tweaked into anything better. And he wasn't offering suggestions to make the ideas better. He was just shutting them down.From what I saw, Penn didn't do anything wrong. He didn't like their idea, said so, and was then shut down by Clay before he could get a word in edgewise.
I like Penn and I greatly respect his intelligence. But I do see in him what I see in a lot of intelligent people sometimes (myself included) -- the tendency to use his intelligence as a weapon of sorts. Someone like Lou can easily find his thoughts tied up in knots when an intelligent and articulate person like Penn talks them into the ground. Penn may not have even consciously realized he was doing it, but I know it's one of his abilities. I've seen him do it to well-deserving people on Bullshit plenty of times. I think Clay picked up on it and just got pissed off, which clearly took Penn aback. As Arsenio noted, Penn had so far received only praise from his team (and Trump). Deservedly so, I'd add. But this time, I do think he needed someone to say "shut up and give Lou some room to breathe."
I like Clay and Penn both. And I think they're both smart as whips. I really hope they work things out.
eta - I do think Lou's disability is one of the factors playing into Clay's frustration with Penn. Clay's spent a lot of time working with children with disabilities, and I think Lou's difficulty communicating may have brought out his protective instincts. I really loved the bit we saw where Clay showed Lou where to place his tongue to enunciate his Ds properly. He, Arsenio and Dee were all very patient with Lou, which he clearly needed if they were going to succeed.
Edited by GBB, Mar 18, 2012 @ 11:52 PM.
#29
Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 10:57 PM
I actually liked the women's "what's your number?" concept over the men's "I'm going to mop the floor with you!" idea, simply because the men's slogan is a cliched expression, not original at all. Unfortunately, the men's execution was far superior to the women's. The women should have started with, "How many mops have you purchased over the years" and then went with the giggling over their "number" before finally finding the "one." It would have made a lot more sense that way. So I do think Tia deserved to go because it seemed to be the editing that screwed up what was a fairly cute, inventive storyline. The men's was too basic but the storyline was very clear and the professional actress nailed her lines and delivered all the product information.
As for the Penn vs Clay issue, I think they're both right and wrong. Clay was right in that Penn was shooting down ideas but not coming up with his own in the brainstorming session and that is unhelpful for sure. However, Penn was right from an emotional place in that he wasn't trying to be condescending at all. He's used to that kind of brutal honesty and questioning of ideas in brainstorming sessions. I also think Clay wasn't trying to hear Penn out in their later conversation. He refused to listen to Penn's explanation and kept hammering on the word "condescending" without hearing that Penn was genuinely hurt by Clay's accusation. I hope they kiss and make up though because I think they are both very intelligent and very funny. And like Arsenio, I respect that Clay spoke to Penn directly about his frustration, even if he did start with "some people at this table..." before working his way into addressing Penn specifically. Clearly, Dee and Arsenio also feel that Penn can be condescending, but it seems to be that this is a classic example of exceptionally smart folks not having the same social awareness of how they can be perceived by others.
As for the Penn vs Clay issue, I think they're both right and wrong. Clay was right in that Penn was shooting down ideas but not coming up with his own in the brainstorming session and that is unhelpful for sure. However, Penn was right from an emotional place in that he wasn't trying to be condescending at all. He's used to that kind of brutal honesty and questioning of ideas in brainstorming sessions. I also think Clay wasn't trying to hear Penn out in their later conversation. He refused to listen to Penn's explanation and kept hammering on the word "condescending" without hearing that Penn was genuinely hurt by Clay's accusation. I hope they kiss and make up though because I think they are both very intelligent and very funny. And like Arsenio, I respect that Clay spoke to Penn directly about his frustration, even if he did start with "some people at this table..." before working his way into addressing Penn specifically. Clearly, Dee and Arsenio also feel that Penn can be condescending, but it seems to be that this is a classic example of exceptionally smart folks not having the same social awareness of how they can be perceived by others.
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Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 11:10 PM
I actually liked the women's "what's your number?" concept over the men's "I'm going to mop the floor with you!" idea, simply because the men's slogan is a cliched expression, not original at all. Unfortunately, the men's execution was far superior to the women's.
I thought the women had better execution, although I wish Dayana would have spoken up more about incorporating the mop. Still, the men had a lot of talk about the product that would prevent anyone from watching that video more than once. Even the execs looked bored listening to the product info in the men's commercial.
Say what you want, but Trump was being consistent. Carrola tried to trump Trump, and he was punished for it. Since Tia asked first, that put Trump in control; therefore, no double firing.
Or they needed a double elimination at one point, so they did it last week when Adam provided an excuse. They didn't need two double eliminations, so Trump didn't make a fuss this week. It is a TV show first and foremost. I agree though with whoever said they should just get rid of the rule that you need to bring back two people. That rule does seem to get people to give up, which is no fun.
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