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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 9:52 AM

I'm not sure how it got from 'Jermaine is rude' to 'Jermaine is special needs'.


Underdeveloped social skills is a major sign of Aspergers, I think. Not sure what other conditions but it's hardly a huge logical leap, given his oddness. I'm not trying to diagnose him but something does seem off. More off than James Durbin. And not because James is small and white.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 10:43 AM

More off than James Durbin. And not because James is small and white.


Really?

Durbin had an actual diagnosis of Aspergers along with a very obvious facial tic and other behaviour issues. Jermaine seems able to walk and talk at the same time, is capable of communicating in his native language and learning the words of an entire song, and can understand and answer questions that are posed to him, which seem to be fairly developed social skills; HeeJun isn't always able to do the last one (unless referring to one's 'sperms' is considered 'normal' social behaviour). But, as I said before, I'm not a medical professional, so I'll just stick with my 'diagnosis' that Jermaine's 'behaviour' on Wednesday was a result of being happy to be safe. YMMV.

Edited by roydenlea, Mar 11, 2012 @ 10:54 AM.


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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 10:54 AM

More off than James Durbin. And not because James is small and white

James is huge...not as big as Jeremiah, however.
I love the way the Aspie's diagnosis gets thrown at some contestant, every.single.season.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 11:20 AM

I don't care if Jermaine's behavior was a result of being happy he was saved, I'm just wondering why in defense of Jermaine, Heejun has to be thrown under the bus. I don't see the connection at all. YMMV, of course.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 11:49 AM

I don't care if Jermaine's behavior was a result of being happy he was saved, I'm just wondering why in defense of Jermaine, Heejun has to be thrown under the bus. I don't see the connection at all. YMMV, of course.

Neither do I. Heejun was not in the bottom 6. He was voted by America to be in the Top 7.

I'm old-fashioned; I watch a singing competition for the singing. If I want buffoonery, I'll tune to the Jerry Lewis Telethon every Labour Day.

AI has never been a show about a serious singing competition. Itís nothing more than a cheesy reality TV show for finding people who can go out in the real world and hopefully sell records. And in the real world, it's not just about who is the best technical singer. It's also about personality and having something audiences will resonate with.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 1:49 PM

AI has never been a show about a serious singing competition. Itís nothing more than a cheesy reality TV show for finding people who can go out in the real world and hopefully sell records. And in the real world, it's not just about who is the best technical singer. It's also about personality and having something audiences will resonate with.

This is the best description I've read of what AI is all about.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 2:22 PM

I love the way the Aspie's diagnosis gets thrown at some contestant, every.single.season.


Is it? I never heard it in the AI context until last season, when James mentioned having been diagnosed. But I didn't watch seasons 1-7.

I'm not suggesting Jermaine has Aspergers, much less diagnosing him. Someone asked how people got from 'rude' to 'special needs'. I was just offering that as an example of a link.

I didn't see Jermaine's celebration this week. I'm just saying his interactions with Richie and Ryan struck me as incredibly awkward.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 3:59 PM

Interview tidbits from several contestants:
http://www.hollywood...y-iovine-297659

Do the contestants respect Jimmy Iovineís comments or just fear them? A little bit of both, if you ask Jermaine Jones. "Jimmy goes for the jugular," he said. "The judges always like to be politically correct but Jimmy doesnít care what anybody says or thinks about him, he's always gonna keep it real. I'm always on edge to hear what Jimmy has to say."

I don't pretend to know Jermaine's mental state, but he sounds articulate enough here. Also, one's awkward behavior may be explained by simply not yet feeling comfortable with a camera aimed at you during spontaneous moments. Who knows?

Phillip's comments about Heejun made me smile:

Did Heejun Han purposely misspell Jimmy Iovineís last name ("Iveen") and Mary J. Bligeís first ("Marry")?

"He has a really weird last name," said Heejun, who claims he didnít realize he was writing either name wrong. "Dude, you are not a smart Asian," cracked co-contestant and roommate Phillip Phillips.Ē Heejun stands by his gift. "I was going to bring him a towel or soap, but he has everything," he says. "But he doesnít have a picture of me!"



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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 5:03 PM

Heejun has to be thrown under the bus. I don't see the connection at all. YMMV, of course.


I didn't think I was 'throwing HeeJun under the bus'; I just don't like him. And I think his behaviour is just as odd as some seem to think Jermaine's is. I'll separate my posts next time; one in defense of Jermaine and one talking about how strange I think HeeJun is. However, I'll bet Jermaine can spell 'Mary'.

I love the way the Aspie's diagnosis gets thrown at some contestant, every.single.season.


It seems to be the 'latest thing' to say about contestants one doesn't like. Before that it was whether or not the person was gay. I'm not sure if this is progress.

Edited by roydenlea, Mar 11, 2012 @ 5:09 PM.


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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 10:23 PM

I love the way the Aspie's diagnosis gets thrown at some contestant, every.single.season.


Is it? I never heard it in the AI context until last season, when James mentioned having been diagnosed. But I didn't watch seasons 1-7.


I believe Taylor Hicks had the Asperger's diagnosis tossed at him during his season too. I don't remember who got tagged with it in subsequent seasons though.

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Posted Mar 12, 2012 @ 12:03 AM

Before Jermaine, cowboy Richie Lawson had been the previous "winner" of "Pin the Aspie on the Contestant."

Unless a contestant specifically says they have the condition, I don't ascribe any awkward behavior to being the result of autism.

Jermaine may not be ready for the demands of this kind of competition and acts goofy and possibly rude but I don't think he has special needs.

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Posted Mar 12, 2012 @ 5:40 AM

I know David Archuleta got diagnosed with Asperger's here until the mod put an end to it, hell I think he was called retarded more than once. I think Danny Gokey was the S8 sicko.

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Posted Mar 12, 2012 @ 10:57 AM

From my perspective, I thought Jermaine's general demeanor and actions were weird. But I also don't want to make fun of someone with a disability, so I simply put it in as a disclaimer. Of course, I never gave a specific dianosis. More like a general wondering if their was something wrong with him and if so then he's not all the nasty things I said about him.

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Posted Mar 12, 2012 @ 5:00 PM

There are too many 'J' names. I'm glad one is gone. It makes me glad for Heejun and P2rd as at least it's not 'J'. Also, Elise and Erika; arggh I can't tell them apart. I mean I can tell them apart on the show but reading here I realized I was getting all turned around over who is who. Gah! And there were only 13 of them. I really think it's the Jeremy/Jermaine combo I was having trouble with. Oh well, I will either learn their names or they will be gone. Win Win for me not so much for the kids.

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Posted Mar 13, 2012 @ 11:51 AM

In defense of Heejun's spelling, he is ESOL (English is his second language). If I tried to spell Korean names correctly, I would probably make mistakes, too.

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Posted Mar 13, 2012 @ 4:45 PM

Glad Elise was saved; Jimmy and Mary messed her up with that song choice big time. Hopefully she'll stick to her guns next week and sing a song sh wants to sing.


Umm... no. The song that she picked was a hot mess. They saved her from being even worse than she was.

That's because he WAS being strangled. If you watch that clip again, you'll see that Jermaine was in the process of literally jumping for joy at making it through the group rounds when Richie Law chose that exact moment to put his hand on Jermaine's shoulder. (Or neck, but probably shoulder, right?) The result was that Richie ended up reverse-clotheslining him. That moment wasn't about Jermaine recoiling at human contact, it was about him being in physical pain because someone was oblivious to what he was doing.


This. There are other things that you can point to (and one of the reasons I didn't want him to come back- I don't know how he's going to react when he gets voted off again), but not this. I don't know that I wouldn't have gotten a bit more heated.

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Posted Mar 13, 2012 @ 5:09 PM

There are too many 'J' names. I'm glad one is gone. It makes me glad for Heejun and P2rd as at least it's not 'J'. Also, Elise and Erika; arggh I can't tell them apart. I mean I can tell them apart on the show but reading here I realized I was getting all turned around over who is who. Gah! And there were only 13 of them. I really think it's the Jeremy/Jermaine combo I was having trouble with. Oh well, I will either learn their names or they will be gone. Win Win for me not so much for the kids.

It could be worse. We could still have Bailey, Haley, Hollie, and Hallie. Only Hollie is left--or is it Haley? No, it is Hollie. Isn't it? Going to lie down now....

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Posted Mar 13, 2012 @ 8:07 PM

sorry, posted in the wrong place.

Edited by dodginblue, Mar 13, 2012 @ 8:11 PM.


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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 2:41 AM

It looked like Mary J. Blige momentarily forgot Steven Tyler's name after she sang. She said, "Hi Jennifer, hi Randy, hi ... (waves hand in his direction) ... Steve!"

Like she couldn't remember it, paused, then did remember (kinda); or like someone prompted her in her earpiece ("Steven!") and she said, "Steve!" with relief.

Edited by commenter, Mar 14, 2012 @ 2:41 AM.


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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 8:55 AM

Like she couldn't remember it, paused, then did remember (kinda); or like someone prompted her in her earpiece ("Steven!") and she said, "Steve!" with relief.


True. I wish she would have said, "Hi, Aerosmith."

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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 11:58 AM

Jermaine wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms by the others on the safe couch.

I don't think they know how to act around him.

Here's what I noticed and was very much struck by: When Jermaine was on one of the Bottom 3 stools, he reached out to each person who joined him, and none of them acknowledged it. They barely looked like they knew who he was. Eventually, he stopped reaching out, and then one of the guys did acknowledge him. But the two girls practically walked right past him, and one ran to and hugged the girl already on the Bottom 3 stools.

So when the safe contestants failed to greet him or celebrate when he returned to the safe seats, it just seemed like a continuation of the same strangely cold reaction he'd gotten earlier. It was not IMO a reaction to his celebration at being safe. What it was all about, I don't know.

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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 12:50 PM

So when the safe contestants failed to greet him or celebrate when he returned to the safe seats, it just seemed like a continuation of the same strangely cold reaction he'd gotten earlier. It was not IMO a reaction to his celebration at being safe. What it was all about, I don't know.

That's the point, I think. People are saying that there's something off-putting about the guy and their reactions prove it. Regardless of competing against each other, there's usually some sort of bond there because of what they're going through. They react well with each other, except for Jermaine. There's a reason for that. What it is, I don't know. But since he give me the heebie jeebies just watching him, I think I'd have a hard time putting up with him in person....

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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 2:51 PM

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Edited by doinel, Mar 14, 2012 @ 2:54 PM.