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Posted Apr 9, 2014 @ 11:27 PM

Maybe  Fredrik is rubbing off on Luis, he's coming off as more professional this season.


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Posted Apr 9, 2014 @ 11:37 PM

Luis needed to get shlubby son a decent haircut. The guy still managed to look slightly disheveled in his new custom suit.


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 12:12 AM

I'm not sure what's off about this season to me. It used to be entertaining, but now it's an "on in the background while I cruise Facebook" kind of show.

 

ETA:

This show has become tiresome. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance.    

 

     Thank you so much for this! My brother and I spent years ending phone calls with "your story has become tiresome."


Edited by missy jo, Apr 10, 2014 @ 12:18 AM.

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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 12:54 AM

Noooooo it hasn't become tiresome! I enjoyed tonight's episodes, all 3 of them. I missed a few shows and all the marathons so I'm a little fuzzy on some things.

 

Was Fredrich always so campy? A little dab of camp is plenty for me. Consequently, I didn't like him as much as I did the first season. He strikes me as an insincere, phony person...guess I'm just not a Fredrich fan. Ryan's more to my taste. 

 

The Fredrich porn scene set up was just a little too perfect. But if it was real...Ryan played it masterfully. Fredrich had it coming. 

 

Someone said upthread that the shlubby son needed a haircut most of all-that's all I could think: why didn't Luis take him for a good haircut????


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 7:16 AM

I can't abide real douchery. What makes the show think I want tons of fake Ryan douchery?

 

 

I've never been a fan of Ryan's but there was a point in this episode where he gave a sly grin during a talking head that I finally realized he's completely in on the joke, as others have been saying for some time, and I kind of saw him in a different light.  Still think he's douchy and I still love Fredrik most of all, though.


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 7:54 AM

Much to my surprise, I am liking Luis more this season.  He's not as over the top.

 

I might have missed something - or just don't remember...but I'm not clear on why Frederick is so upset about the stunt Ryan pulled with the movie. I get that he could be hurt, angry - but his reaction seems too extreme. He did some pretty crappy things to Ryan and Luis himself.

 

And he mentioned this was the first time he had seen Ryan since the incident - but if I remember correctly all 3 were on WWHL after last season's final episode.


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 12:37 PM

Fredrik was putting on a big show with Ryan.

 

So glad we haven't heard Puerto Rico yet!


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 2:35 PM

Just when I think Fredrik might be an asshole, I see him with his dogs or with Andy Cohen's new pup and an reassured that no one who loves animals like that can be a total asshole.


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 3:30 PM

I am not unfamiliar with NY maintenance charges but I can't understand how the monthly for that apartment is $9000 with no amenities.

Maintenance is not like rent - there is no profit margin built into it and the budget of a coop/condo covers actual operating costs which would include a reserve. But I don't see how a building with no amenities could possibly have operating costs in that amount. I live in a building with amenities including valet parking/24 hour concierge and labor costs for those services are probably the single largest budget item. 

 

If anyone could explain how monthly maintenance can be so high, I would love an explanation.

 

ETA - And I realize that this is staged/semi-scripted but I still don't understand why any real estate agent would want to portray themselves on television as liars. I see Ryan lying about multiple offers and if I were an agent in the future, I would completely discount anything he said.


Edited by celinenano, Apr 10, 2014 @ 3:31 PM.

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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 3:41 PM

I am not unfamiliar with NY maintenance charges but I can't understand how the monthly for that apartment is $9000 with no amenities.

Maintenance is not like rent - there is no profit margin built into it and the budget of a coop/condo covers actual operating costs which would include a reserve. But I don't see how a building with no amenities could possibly have operating costs in that amount.

 

 

I think I heard the seller say something about paying the building super's salary but if he/she makes $9000 a month I'm in the wrong line of work.


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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 4:09 PM

I think I heard the seller say something about paying the building super's salary but if he/she makes $9000 a month I'm in the wrong line of work.

 

 

Actually the head super in a large NYC building makes more than $9000 per month.

 

However, I factored in the cost of normal maintenance personnel as every building in NYC has some kind of super - live in and/or on 24/7 call has maintenance staff.

 

However, there are X number of units in a building and so the cost is allocated among the units in a formula that generally uses square footage so that bigger units pay proportionately more of the monthly "budget" - carrying costs. So this would be a large unit and pay more than the other units.

 

However, I still can't figure out why the maintenance figure is so much higher than similar sized buildings with no amenities so monthly maintenance is just covering basic stuff like heat, electric, cleaning, garbage and miscellaneous maintenance services.

 

ETA - I wanted to add that a lot of the "amenities" in buildings don't really add much to monthly maintenance fees because they don't cost much to operate - e.g. a gym is just a space with equipment; a media/rec room/office room is just space etc. It's the on-going cost of labor that is really expensive - i.e. manned elevators; porters; doormen.


Edited by celinenano, Apr 10, 2014 @ 4:11 PM.

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Posted Apr 10, 2014 @ 4:14 PM

if he/she makes $9000 a month I'm in the wrong line of work.

 

Could be.  I've not been watching this season, so I don't know the context.  But it's not unheard of for supers of high-end buildings to make well upwards of $100K  a year, especially if they supervise a large staff.  The last time I had any experience with this, the most desirable supers were white (what else is new?) and Irish and had at least a couple of years' experience being supers of decent-size buildings, usually in the outer boroughs, which is where you get hired to start.  I know at least three guys with these exact qualifications who got jobs making somewhere in the $80K range back in the late eighties and early nineties, and it just keeps going up. 


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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 9:40 AM

missy jo: My brother and I spent years ending phone calls with "your story has become tiresome."

Oh, my goodness. Thank you, missy Jo, for some reason, this really makes me laugh!

Poor Luis. That woman's son was extremely socially awkward. But he improved substantially by the end of the viewing. I guess the producers forced him to memorize lines?

Wouldn't more brokers complain, "It is obvious that Ryan is trying to disguise SOMEthing by staging a brokers' open in the dark"?

They were being unrealistic, but it amused me how the wife would consult Sandy and we could hear his objections to the price lowering, off-camera. They would be perfect for a Woody Allen movie.

Edited by hoodooznoodooz, Apr 11, 2014 @ 11:58 AM.

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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 12:12 PM

I think that whole family (Todd and parents) were producer plants.  They were so over the top, I don't see how they couldn't have been.  I much prefer the toned-down Luis, but if planting stereotypes as clients, complete with a socially inept son (who makes Michael from the first season look brilliant) is what they need to keep people interested in his storylines, this season will get tired real fast.  

 

Ryan is playing a role and always has been.  I'm not sure he even denies it.  He bores me and I find myself tuning out his scenes.  

 

I like Fredrik.  For all his shenanigans, I think he's the only truly successful real estate professional of the bunch, and would be without the show.  


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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 1:24 PM

The West Side apartment was actually sold by Luis by the son was not listed as a co-agent. Another woman was. So the clients were real. Why they thought making a fool of their son on television was something that was desirable, I have no idea but then I have no idea why anyone wants to be on television unless they are making money from it in someway.

 

Since the apartment had closed prior to airing, these people had nothing to gain by acting like idiots - all of them since raising the price was insane. Their refusing to budge on the price was probably just producer driver since someone bought the apartment for essentially asking price less $25,000.


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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 1:37 PM

If anyone could explain how monthly maintenance can be so high, I would love an explanation.

It's not just one janitor, there are probably multiple janitors; if there is a doorman there are multiple; there's probably a management company and for larger buildings an onsite manager (and perhaps assistant); also building insurance.  Those costs add up.  For some buildings the charges may also include heat (my old condo did) and other utilities.

 

And for co-ops, part of the maintenance charges include real estate taxes, since the owners own a share of the corporation, not technically the apt.  But I recall reading somewhere (probably here, what am I going to do without TWOP??) that many co-ops in NYC won't allow filming, so these may be condos.


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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 1:55 PM

It's not just one janitor, there are probably multiple janitors; if there is a doorman there are multiple; there's probably a management company and for larger buildings an onsite manager (and perhaps assistant); also building insurance.  Those costs add up.  For some buildings the charges may also include heat (my old condo did) and other utilities.

 

And for co-ops, part of the maintenance charges include real estate taxes, since the owners own a share of the corporation, not technically the apt.  But I recall reading somewhere (probably here, what am I going to do without TWOP??) that many co-ops in NYC won't allow filming, so these may be condos.

 

 

I understand what the costs are in connection with monthly maintenance fees for coops and condos as I live in one and am on the Board of Directors.

 

However, the monthly costs for this building appear to be out of whack as compared with other buildings. It's a given that there is heat, maintenance and other basic services but this building has no doorman, valet parkers, concierge or other costly services other than the normal maintenance people such as the super which all buildings have.

 

Frederick felt monthlies were out of line with similar buildings as did the other real estate brokers. All of the costs mentioned - including real estate taxes would be included in monthly assessments for other buildings.

 

Filming may or may not be a problem with coops as it depends on the Board. Typically it wouldn't be allowed in an old guard building. However, the owner of this unit was also the developer of the building and probably has more clout than an ordinary resident especially since he has a real vested interest in getting this unit on television.

 

I am just curious as to why this particular building has monthly assessments that are so out of whack when compared to other buildings with similar amenities. The episode stressed that there were no amenities - no doorman, no concierge but of course, every NYC building has maintenance staff - that's a given.


Edited by celinenano, Apr 11, 2014 @ 1:56 PM.

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Posted Apr 11, 2014 @ 2:43 PM

Ryan's girlfriend needed to take a page out of the Book of Yolanda (RHOBH) and butt out of Frederic and Ryan talking. That bugged me, her standing there like she had business to take care of with them!

 

Luis and this rapping I am hoping doesn't become an 'every episode' kind of thing

 

Frederic has grown on me since he bugged me the first season, I am gonna send a basket of green tea products to him! LOL


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Posted Apr 12, 2014 @ 7:12 PM

Funny how differently people read things. 

 

I think Fredrik is the LEAST trustworthy of the bunch.    Fredrik burned Ryan a couple times when all Ryan expected was for Fredrik to "do the right thing".  Ryan has said in his confessionals that he has learned the hard way that he has to be ruthless - or he will surely get screwed over.

 

I think that is what we are seeing this season.  Ryan may be going a little too far with it, e.g. calling the sister, and I hope it doesn't backfire on him.

 

Louis...I always liked him and still really like him - esp. how he took his clients son under his wing.  He was so gracious and encouraging!  I don't think Fredrik would screw Louis over in anyway.  Fredrik is bad, IMO, but not that bad.  But, I do not think Louis should expect complete loyalty from Fredrik. 


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Posted Apr 16, 2014 @ 9:08 PM

This is me being an armchair sociologist/semiotician/crank, but I loved that scene where Luis brainstormed with his creative team how to sell the 7 million dollar apartment. I loved how they went around to each person, they were all young, some of them had edgy haircuts and cool clothes... and listed them as marketing agent, creative director, etc. All I could think was that these people probably moved to New York with the hope of doing great creative work, to make art and be around inspiring artists, and here they are, putting their heads and talents together to sell another ridiculously expensive home to a ridiculously rich person. While being filmed by Bravo. It was like 21st century New York in microcosm.

 

But I did watch, so I can't feel superior at all. 


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Posted Apr 16, 2014 @ 9:25 PM

Love how Ryan pointed out that Luis is Puerto Rican, blatantly invoking last season. Yes, Ryan, he is indeed Puerto Rican.

 

Also loved the way the birds were looking at Fredrik.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:29 AM

Also loved the way the birds were looking at Fredrik.

 

 

Speaking as someone who is deathly afraid of birds I found that scene funny. 

 

When Luis met Janet (Janice?) at the Milan building his pants were so tight that Lil Luis was very visible.  I was actually embarrassed for him.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:42 AM

As much as I love Derek, I'm not cool with wanting to own a parrot. Parrots live a long time and many owners don't ever consider the need for a trust to care for the birds after the owner has died. I live in Austin and we now have a wild parakeet population because of this.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:09 AM

When Luis met Janet (Janice?) at the Milan building his pants were so tight that Lil Luis was very visible.  I was actually embarrassed for him.

 

I'm generally very unobservant but even I noticed that! He had his trousers hiked up so far they were practically under his nipples.

 

Every time I see one of the brokers accept a listing that's wildly overpriced and the seller categorically states they're not going to accept "a penny less," I wonder why they don't just walk away. Why put all the effort and money into an endeavor that's doomed to fail? And then damned if they don't end up selling. Not at the original price, and not without a lot of shouting, but still. I guess my takeaway is that I would never survive as a realtor.

 

We'll have to see about the penthouse listing with the mommy who didn't want to break her children's hearts by moving. That one may indeed be unsellable.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:57 PM

Luis has toned it down a bit this season. He seems a little more mature and is reigning in that childlike over enthusiasm. His hair is even 1/4 inch lower. He's got a nicer new apartment and is working for a new real estate company too.  

 

I am not tired of Fredrick or Ryan's schtick. I think they both have natural comedic timing. They make for good TV.

 

I still like this show very much. Real estate porn and the three dudes are all funny characters. Sorry, but they are making LA's two Josh's and Madison seem stale by comparison. (bet we see a cast change on the LA show soon).

 

And all the New York scenery in general is fantastic. I love all the natural east coast/new York more muted lighting. The indoor camera shots, whether in a home, or a restaurant have such a great lit ambience. The LA shows have too much sun. Tee hee. I know how silly that sounds. 


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Posted Yesterday, 02:38 PM

And all the New York scenery in general is fantastic. I love all the natural east coast/new York more muted lighting. The indoor camera shots, whether in a home, or a restaurant have such a great lit ambience. The LA shows have too much sun. Tee hee. I know how silly that sounds. 

 

Doesn't sound silly to me, it makes perfect sense!  Then again I am a native New Yorker and life long east coast resident so everything out west looks odd to me.  Not enough greenery for one.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:03 PM

When Luis met Janet (Janice?) at the Milan building his pants were so tight that Lil Luis was very visible.  I was actually embarrassed for him.

 

Yes.  Oh my.  I caught the vapors when I saw that.  You could see details.  His balls were on one side and his weenie was on the other...


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Posted Yesterday, 03:16 PM

I saw that too, however, I think he has them tailored like that (he seems to be the type that would do that).  Its just more noticable in a lighter colored suit. 


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Posted Yesterday, 03:52 PM

I haven't seen the episode yet and I am all over Lil Luis watch.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:59 PM

Every time I see one of the brokers accept a listing that's wildly overpriced and the seller categorically states they're not going to accept "a penny less," I wonder why they don't just walk away. Why put all the effort and money into an endeavor that's doomed to fail? And then damned if they don't end up selling. Not at the original price, and not without a lot of shouting, but still. I guess my takeaway is that I would never survive as a realtor.

 

 

 
The show obviously amps up the drama but the dynamics are pretty normal in any real estate deal. Most agents will agree to list at what they think is an unrealistic price because they assume that the seller will realize what FMV is and agree to reduce it. It's a bit of a dance because you might be pricing it out of the range of people who might otherwise look at it but it's fairly common.
 
Luis really has matured this season. It's really nice to see someone who took a look at himself and decided to make positive changes. He's coming across as the most professional of all of the realtors. And based on his real website, appears to be doing quite well.
 
I didn't notice Lil Luis but I do know that in the world of bespoke suits, one is asked whether one goes right or left as the pants are then cut accordingly.

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