Jack/Amanda: True love waiting in the wings?
Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 5:55 PM
As for Daniel, he is just part of the revenge plot. She may have developed feelings for him- and he is definitely worthy of her love- but their relationship is far too unequal for true love. He is just a beautiful pawn, and Daniel has no idea who she is!
I haven't seen every episode, so I can't comment on all the little words and glances, but as viewers I think we have been set up from the very beginning to want this. It's like Ross and Rachel on friends; from the very first episode you wanted this to happen, and after about eight years it finally did. Same thing with Amanda and Jack.
What do you think? Do you think they will end up together? Do you think they should end up together? Are they soulmates, or is Jack just another person for Amanda to use in her schemes? What clues do you see on the show to tell us whether this will happen?
Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 7:28 PM
If Amanda had chosen to, she could have had many aspects of her old life back, including Jack, her house, and even Sammy. No, she couldn't get her childhood back, or bring her father back, but she could get back many of the things that were important to her. She could have told Jack who she was, and asked him to help her pursue legal means against the Graysons.
But this is not a story about forgiveness. She has already done some pretty unforgivable things to Jack, beginning with the simple fact of not telling him who she really is and letting him think that Amily is Amanda Clarke. He might even see not telling him her true identity and letting him help her bring the Graysons to justice as a betrayal, since he would no doubt desperately want to help her if he knew.
Furthermore, she's hurt a lot of people emotionally and placed many in physical jeopardy or contributed in some way to their death--and she's probably just only getting started. She is not the little girl he knew...she's damaged, possibly beyond repair. Would he even love her if he knew the things she's done?
In a way, she has made her relationship with Victoria more important than her relationship with Jack or anybody else. I imagine Jack will either be a casualty of her plans, whether emotionally or physically, or he'll leave in disgust.
I love Emanda's character and I still tend to root for her, but I don't see a happy ending here.
Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 8:20 PM
As I see it now, Jack is a symbol of what her life could have been if she had chosen the path of forgiveness instead of revenge (which, IMO, is why Nolan keeps pushing them -- it's less about actively shipping his friends, and more about trying to get Emanda on the path her father wanted for her). As I see it, they were "soulmates" once, in TV terms, but I think by choosing revenge Emanda has made it impossible for their relationship to ever really work; she's changed her soul too much, as it were.
I hope that's the way it goes, but then, I like things kind of twisted and dark (and I'm also not a huge fan of soulmate ships, so I am biased). It's possible the writers are setting this up to end happily for them, but I kind of doubt it. It's worth noting that in the original Count of Monte Cristo the Count does NOT end up with the love of his life that got stolen away from him. Jack seems to be playing that same sort of role, so if they follow the logic of the original book, it won't work out. The Count does end up with someone else. IIRC she was a prostitute turned kept lover who was devoted to him. There doesn't seem to be a real analogy to that character, at least not yet, and I wouldn't be shocked if Emanda ended up alone or even dead. Dig two graves and all that.
Edited by Agnes Bean, Feb 21, 2012 @ 8:28 PM.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 11:30 PM
I don't want Jack to become a villain (despite his convincing intensity of late) so if they do ever get together it will have to be much later in the game. But I think he will continue to play a big part in her life and they may have an ill fated fling down the road but until she is done with revenge it won't ever be. And since this show is called revenge I think it's safe to say it will continue to be the love of her life.
Posted Feb 22, 2012 @ 1:01 AM
However, as this is not my ship, that is all I will say, lest I jinx my own. :P
Posted Feb 22, 2012 @ 2:14 PM
nd honestly, if that were to happen, I can't see EMANDA being happy about it: it seems very important to her to keep Jack safe, physically but also emotionally and morally. She wants him away from her revenge plans as much as possible because, it seems, it's important to her that he stay a good man with fond memories of the girl she was.
Yeah, I think this is a very important part of the way she interacts with him. I think she'd like to keep him separate, but at that dinner party in the second to last episode (with grandpa Grayson), she also got a glimpse of how passionately he would have defended her. That must have hurt but maybe also made her feel good.
I do think that with Jack she's looking at what she could have had, but wouldn't let herself have, and what she could have been, but wouldn't let herself be. I think their Facebook status would be "It's complicated."
Posted Feb 22, 2012 @ 4:42 PM
I like Emily. I'd like to see her take out Victoria and Conrad and the others and sail away, either alone or with someone - but not with Jack. I don't see her in Haiti and I don't see him being the husband of a rich woman.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 @ 11:14 AM
Of course Jack and the real Amanda can only be a couple when she is done with revenge and ready to be happy. As others have stated, that may never happen. And the fact is that right now she doesn't deserve someone as good as he is.
But as long as I watch this show I'm going to be rooting for Amanda to grow up enough to let all this shit go, so she can be ready to embrace Jack and a normal healthy life.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 @ 12:55 PM
So not just does she want Jack to stay uncorrupted, she wants his memories of her to stay uncorrupted. For me these are reasons why they will never get together.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 @ 1:48 PM
That would mean that Emanda would basically get away with everything and destroying innocent people in her quest to take down the guilty and I really don't want that.
Of course Jack and the real Amanda can only be a couple when she is done with revenge and ready to be happy.
And I think it would ruin Jack's character if all of a sudden he's okay with everything Emanda's done and it would ruin the relationship if he doesn't know.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 @ 4:10 PM
Personally, I would prefer Jack either to develop his relationship with Amily or to turn dark as a consequence of Emanda's actions and ultimately commit something truly drastic. Actually, he's already becoming a bit darker, but I'm not sure he'll ever stop being the uber-nice guy.
Edited by FurryFury, Feb 23, 2012 @ 4:12 PM.
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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 12:46 PM
No, Jack is okay with leaving his brother and going off to help children in Haiti. He is also okay with taking someone that he thinks committed arson with him. He didn't think she killed a man until he saw her standing over Tyler's body but she sort-of denied it and he just wanted her out of there so she wouldn't get arrested and he could ask what happened later. And if she does say that she did it but she gives a good reason for it (he was trying to kill Daniel and she was worried about Emanda because he hated her) then that would be very different than outright murder. There's also no guarantee he'd be willing to stay with Amily if he still thinks she killed someone.
Well... Jack is ok leaving his brother and running away with someone he thinks committed murder and arson.
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Posted Feb 25, 2012 @ 7:33 PM
It's been a while since I read the book, but as I recall it, the young girl (I want to say she was late teens/early 20s) was the daughter of the man that Fernand Mondego betrayed for money while serving in the military. I think that betrayal was how he became wealthy, and ultimately a Count. I want to say the young girl was sold into slavery, and Dantes saved her, but I don't recall the details. I didn't think she was a prostitute, and I didn't think they got romantic until the end of the story.
IIRC she was a prostitute turned kept lover who was devoted to him.
In any case, I agree with others that currently, it's just not feasible for Jack and (real) Amanda to come together romantically. This is a soap opera, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if a redemption arc for Amanda is in the making.
Posted Feb 25, 2012 @ 7:52 PM
And I just don't buy Jack as that person. Nor do I buy him as some sort of "moral center" of the show.
Posted Feb 25, 2012 @ 9:45 PM
I don't know if I'd say Jack was the moral center but this show is full of immoral characters. His sense of right and wrong is certainly not a wrong way to go as far as moral centers go ha ha. His righteous rant at the dinner party really cut to the heart of the matter for me. All of these folks with secrets and plots. It did my heart good to see someone just lay out some truth on the table.
But it's the RealAmanda side of the equation that interests me. I love that she cares about him so much. To see those little glimpses of her sadness and caring that her human.
I like her character as is as well, but eventually, 3/4/5 years down the line she will reach a point where she will have her revenge or she she will be dead. She's not going to spend the rest of her life plotting revenge. I can see Jack playing a part in that change as well as other characters like Nolan, Charlotte and even Daniel depending on where they go with that character. I'm not a shipper. I just love the character of Jack. I prefer him with RealEmily and I can see that playing out for a season or two and I'm just fine with that. But Jack and Amanda will be addressed at some point -- probably when Jack finds out the truth. That could be seasons away.
I'd probably take the soap path that has them having a torrid short term affair while he's still in the dark. I could also just see them becoming each other's BFF. That would work for me as well.
Posted Feb 26, 2012 @ 3:48 AM
The thing is, though, that while Emanda might never be a normal person (I highly doubt it, actually) she will have to change.
I really hope Emily isn't "redeemed"; I like her character as is. I'd want her to go forward with someone who can accept her, not want to change her. I don't want her to become a Good Woman.
Once she gets her revenge then she can no longer live a life centered around revenge and destroying other people and change is simply inevitable.
Edited by Princess Aldrea, Feb 26, 2012 @ 3:51 PM.
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My guess is it won't be a fall from grace; either she gets away with it or she dies!
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