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[TWoP Tennison]

David decides to tell Kathryn about his relationship with Mary Margaret; as Prince Charming searches for Snow White, he agrees to help Abigail with a dangerous mission.

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[Fabrisse]

I loved that Regina's plants were carnivorous.

Also, the Tron shout-out.

I liked Abigail in this. I wish I liked David.

And how will Henry feel about a new story courtesy of August W. Booth(e?)?

[Darlin]

I don't know what I am supposed to feel in regards to Kathryn but I kinda want her off my screen.

Tonight's episode wasn't bad but I don't think I really liked it. Hated how the townspeople treated Mary Margaret (where was the hate thrown at David) but anyway it's to be expected.

Emma and August lack chemistry.

Re: Frederick, when Kathryn bumped into him at the school wasn't he dressed like a student as opposed to a faculty person? But that wouldn't make any sense . . .

[lilshorty]

What happened to Kathryn? Oh I can't wait till the next episode!

[Princess Aldrea]

I'm glad that it's revealed that James didn't see through Snow White but was just determined to try again anyway.

I think the fact that Regina is willing to allow/cause something horrible to happen to her only friend just further shows that she is a terrible person with no redeeming qualities.

[callietwo]

So, August W. Booth, writer. Was he copying the old book or recreating it?

And if he was recreating the old one, did he include the pictures that were removed? If he was copying, how many copies did he make?

I still don't like the actor, but the character intrigues me a bit. There remains a disconnect between actress and character with Emma as well but she was used sparingly enough that it bugged me less this time around.

I LOVE the Fairytale Land scenes this time around.

It's funny how people keep trying to leave Storybrooke and end up with car troubles/accidents. That has to be the single most accident prone stretch of road, ever!

[GhostJack21]

Kathryn hasn't disappeared. August has her. The water from the well lets him know everything as well as the book.

[SzmuttyPratfall]

I love how this show will get me to lighten up on Regina and hate her less, only for me to hate her SOOO MUCH MORE in the same episode. I really liked Kathryn/Abigail, right balance of understated demeanor and emotion. Also I liked her conclusion, but once she said she was still moving I knew Regina would do something. Sadness.

I liked this episode, though I'm beginning to think Enchanted Forest borders on Greek Mythology Town. It has Midas and the Siren. Maybe two kingdoms down we'll meet the Norse gods.

Granny cracked me up in the Emma/Narrator flirting scene. "If you don't I will."

Edit: Can't wait to see the adventures of James and Ruby. Badass.

Edited by SzmuttyPratfall, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:15 PM.

[rebelqueen]

Ye gods! Poor Mary Margaret, I kept expecting the townspeople to force her to wear a Scarlet A. Helas for Kathryn/Abigail. She finally gets the chance to reconnect with her beloved, but of course, thanks to the Regina, Fredrick only finds the car. I wonder where Regina majicked Kathryn to? Maybe, she's a new resident in the basement with Belle. I was excited to see the catch up to Red scene from the previous Snow-centric episode. All that, and the show was so awesome, I did not even miss my Mr. Gold action( well, not too much).

[Tzigone]

Oh, I laughed and cackled and clapped during the scene where Kathryn told Regina that she didn't love David and how their marriage was an illusion and she didn't how it happened. It was absolutely fantastic. Beautiful. I love it when don't go Regina's way, and this was a prime example. Showing Kathryn those pictures backfired spectacularly. It was great.

In other Enchanted Forest news, Abigail's personality has been clarified. We know now what she's all about. She comes down on the side of the angels. I gotta admit, I'm just dying for the Frederick reunion. I like these two. We got so little, but I like them anyway. She's missing and he's got to find her. The same way Charming finds Snow, or Emma found her parents (even though she doesn't know it yet). I really, really hope they can have their happy ending.

Loved the bit with Red being taken with Charming - interested to see if that plays out with them traveling together or if he'll drop her off once they get to safety. And I'm still dying to know about his mother - I can't believe he'd be okay with her getting killed. Some explanation is required here.

Regina has keys to everyone's home. Creepy.

Lastly, the biggie, the book. Copied? Or, did he in fact change some of the stories? That's what I way thinking. If so, why? And, which stories? Will Henry notice? Right now I'm assuming our flashbacks will still be accurate, and only Henry's knowledge of what really happened will be affected, not our own. Because if we can't trust what we see - it's not worth following. It's a cheat to audience, like a mystery novel where the clues are false.

Maybe, she's a new resident in the basement with Belle. I

I was thinking the same thing.

Edited by Tzigone, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:09 PM.

[Blue Plastic]

Why do they keep trying to destroy David in Storybrooke? He just gets more and more unlikeable. Next thing he'll be eating puppies for breakfast.

So Abigail wasn't so nasty in fairytale land after all. Now I will be interested to see what happened to Kathryn when she tried to leave. Scary how threatening the Mayor looked once she realized Kathryn was willing to move to Boston and stop trying to hang onto someone who didn't love her. Too bad Kathryn didn't catch a whiff of teh ebil.

Ruby as Red Riding Hood always looks older and has such...pronounced...teeth.

[El Seed]

When Kathryn was saying her goodbyes to Regina I was half-expecting Regina to stab her in the back with a letter opener. And that was some fabulous lighting as Regina watched Kathryn's letter to David burn. Soaptastic.

Was that Frederick in the school Kathryn bumped into?

I'm so going to hell for laughing at Granny telling off Mary Margaret. Hester Prynne lives!

August and his ominous bookbinding. Does he have a copy? Did he insert new material? Fairy godfather? What, writers?

Edited by El Seed, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:10 PM.

[Tzigone]

BTW, Regina spray painted the car? A shame Emma didn't catch her doing that - it would have been great for laughs.

Was that Frederick in the school Kathryn bumped into?

It was.

[oldandnewfirm]

Anything was going to feel like a bit of a letdown after last week's episode, but this week's just reminded me of how little I care about David/Mary at this point. The only worthwhile part of this episode was Kathryn.

I do hope they'll break up Regina's winning streak with a minor loss in the near future. She's getting to be unbearably smug.

Edited by oldandnewfirm, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:13 PM.

[Fabrisse]

Yes, it was Frederick, and I think he may be a gym teacher or something. He was carrying soccer balls.

[Samiwell]

Re: Frederick, when Kathryn bumped into him at the school wasn't he dressed like a student as opposed to a faculty person? But that wouldn't make any sense . . .

The thread is moving fast so this may have been answered already: Frederick is the Gym teacher.

[mustbekarma]

Oh, I laughed and cackled and clapped during the scene where Kathryn told Regina that she didn't love David and how their marriage was an illusion and she didn't how it happened. It was absolutely fantastic. Beautiful. I love it when don't go Regina's way, and this was a prime example. Showing Kathryn those pictures backfired spectacularly. It was great.

That was so awesome, then I felt nothing but dread because I knew Regina was going to get back at her. I bet people who try to leave Storybrooke end up in the same prison that Belle is trapped in. I hope Frederick finds Kathryn soon, because Kathryn is kind of awesome, like Abigail. I just love when people do manage to break through the curse. Even if Regina is fucking everything up for Mary Margaret and David, I can have hope now because Abigail and David are finally broken up.

Lastly, the biggie, the book. Copied? Or, did he in fact change some of the stories? That's what I way thinking. If so, why? And, which stories? Will Henry notice? Right now I'm assuming our flashbacks will still be accurate, and only Henry's knowledge of what really happened will be affected, not our own. Because if we can't trust what we see - it's not worth following. It's a cheat to audience, like a mystery novel where the clues are false.

Considering the way children know their favorite story books, I'm willing to bet that Henry will notice if a single word is out of place. I love the idea that Henry will believe the curse is breaking because the stories have changed.

Why do they keep trying to destroy David in Storybrooke? He just gets more and more unlikeable. Next thing he'll be eating puppies for breakfast.

I really feel for David. It's just that damn curse. He was starting to break through it, then got whammied at Mr. Gold's Mystery Shop. I'm just glad he did break it off with Kathryn, even if he didn't tell her about Mary Margaret.

Was that Frederick in the school Abigail bumped into?

I'm pretty sure it was.

[Digital Am]

And if he was recreating the old one, did he include the pictures that were removed? If he was copying, how many copies did he make?

I am going to take a guess (and I think I may be with the majority on this one) in saying that Henry's book (the one August stole) is the only copy.

If we continue with this line of thinking, and if we are to conclude that August is copying or even recreating the book for that matter, then he couldn't include the pages that were ripped out and burned...(simply because they were burned).

ETA: Who's name was on the letter that Regina burned? I couldn't tell...

I definitely think Henry would notice a difference in the stories if August did make a change...

Also, remember: Red told Snow something about James owing her a favor iirc...So there will probably be more to this to keep the previous episodes consistent...

Edited by Digital Am, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:31 PM.

[WicktSmaht]

I think August is rewriting the story. The last time Prince Charming saw Red, he left. This time it ended differently.

One thing I found amusing - Frederick is young Hauser (Alcatraz)

[El Seed]

BTW, Regina spray painted the car? A shame Emma didn't catch her doing that - it would have been great for laughs.

It feels weirdly beneath Regina to spray paint a car. It's so sophomoric. I expect something more malevolent.

It was.

Ah, thank you! I didn't quite catch his face while watching.

[Tzigone]

If we continue with this line of thinking, and if we are to conclude that August is copying or even recreating the book for that matter, then he couldn't include the pages that were ripped out and burned...(simply because they were burned).

Absolutely correct. Which means he might not know the cure to curse.


Right now, we don't even know for sure exactly what he did. Theoretically he could have only made a copy for his use. That's not the most logical thing, though, because then a digital copy would be fine. There's no reason to make an exact real copy an and then give that to Henry and keep the original - that we know of. So alteration seems most likely. Either to change things and deceive (I don't know to what end) or to add information if he was the original author (seems unlikely - I think the was probably created by magic). Might he have just taken out the part about him - if he's in there. He came to Storybrooke, and I just don't know what to make of him.

[kennyab]

I am absolutely ready for a scene where memory-restored Snow, Charming, Abigail, and Frederick face off with Regina.

I expected to be entirely annoyed by August, so it was a nice surprise to actually enjoy his scenes with Emma. I'm really looking forward to finding out what's up with him.

Oh, Regina, you Magnificent Bastard. I really don't think I've ever enjoyed a villain this much. The anticipation of waiting for her next incredibly devious move is just wonderful. I really want Parilla to receive an Emmy nomination for her work.

[Blue Plastic]

I think whatever August is doing to the story is good and not bad. Although if he is rewriting the story because it is now changing, how is he going to keep grabbing the book away from Henry to redo it each time it needs an edit? I can't imagine Henry won't notice any changes. He probably knows it forward and backward.

August doesn't bug me too bad. That could change. At least the writers have had him give out his name and let us see that he did something to the book. Also they've let the David/Mary M affair end, thank goodness.

[Chouquette]

Well done Prince Douching. Well done indeed. If Dr. Whale is less of a jerk than you, there's a problem.

Kathryn's change of heart came awfully quick. One scene she's slapping Mary Margaret and humiliating her in front of her school (and ostensibly the entire town), and then five minutes later she's all "It's true love! They should be together!!" I applaud her taking the moral high road, I think I like her more than anyone else at the moment, but that was mighty swift. I'm glad she's just missing though (no body = not dead in TV...even when there is a body that sometimes means not dead), we have her and Frederick's reuniting to look forward to. When her leaving Storybrooke was juxtaposed with Regina burning the letter I was all, "Oh, this won't end well..."

[jessied112]

Either August is rewriting the stories or he's adding them. Either way, I am intrigued by him. The actor still isn't great and he and Emma still don't have chemistry, but I'm curious more than ever about him. Is he Pinnochio, because of the whole 'I always tell the truth' line at the well? By the way, is that the same well that Cinderella's husband disappeared at?

I didn't like the episode tonight, actually. I mean, I enjoyed the Fairy Tale aspect quite a bit but I wasn't fond of the Storybrooke aspect. I liked Abigail/Fredrick. At first, I was wondering if Abigail was leading James to his doom but I'm glad it didn't turn out that way. I'm also glad the water trick worked. I was worried that it wouldn't, so good for Fredrick to not be stay as a gold statue. I'm also pleased that it was just an accident (for now). And I KNEW it was Fredrick that Kathryn bumped into at the school. That camera pan to him was way too obvious.

But David is an ass. I honestly didn't think back in October that I would end up hating him, but it's happened. I don't mind James, but I can't stand David right now. I know it could be part of the curse, but I honestly think he's just an ass. He's lied, even when Mary Margaret practically demanded he tell him or else they can't be together. I thought he would fess up, but nope. Not even when Mary Margaret and Kathryn found out the truth. I mean, I know he was in a coma and is probably affected a bit differently than everyone else but come on! If this were a normal drama, I'd be telling Mary Margaret to run fast and never return to this guy.

I was fighting to not believe Regina or feel bad for her for some of the episode. But I was fighting hard during the Regina/Henry scene. Luckily, that feeling went away once Regina exposed Mary Margaret and David's affair, and I felt angry once she destroyed the letter and didn't try to stop Kathryn from leaving.

I really just want an episode of Fairy Tale Land to show James and Red's adventure.

[Excoaster]

It was a breath of fresh air to see that a curse could be broken without involving Rumple. I'm so used to him popping up everytime any magic is involved that after Abigail explained that True Love's Kiss didn't work I expected Charming to tell Abigail that should give Rumple a call.

[Dani-Ellie]

When Kathryn was telling Regina that she wanted Mary Margaret and David to get together because what they had was real and what she and David had never was, I was all, "Oh, Kathryn, you need to shut up." Like, out loud. I love when a show has me addressing the characters out loud.

Emma made me snicker with, "When I met you, you were a top-button kind of girl."

And I am shipping Emma/August SO hard right now.

Oh, Regina, you Magnificent Bastard. I really don't think I've ever enjoyed a villain this much.

Right?? She's a horrible person and I can't stand her but I absolutely cannot wait for her to show up onscreen.

[ouronlylight]

I can't believe that I'm actually happy that Snow/Charming — or, at least, their Storybrooke counterparts — have broken up. David needs to take a step back and re-examine his life and his choices. It's amazing how much I can love Charming and hate David at the same time. I can't even bring myself to feel bad that David is going to be suspected for Kathryn's disappearance, especially since everyone in town was blaming Mary and not David for being a two-timing douchebag.

I love how this show can make me simultaneously love and hate Regina at the same time. I adored that scene between her and Henry in her office; even though bribing your kids for their affection is never a good thing, I still felt so bad for her when Henry was less enthused with that (really old) video game. I wish that we had more scenes like this one, so that we as an audience could understand Regina and Henry's relationship better. But yeah, once Kathryn mentioned moving and Regina's face subtly shifted into the Evil Queen's, I knew that this would not end well. My question, though, is if Regina actually did something with Kathryn, or knew that something would prevent her from leaving and did nothing to stop her. Also, I think it's fantastically creepy that Regina has (actual!) skeleton keys for the entire town. Spray-painting "tramp" on Mary Margaret's car seems beneath her, somehow, though.

August totally knows all about the curse — his line to Emma about being stuck in one place if she was always demanding evidence was quite telling. That well was totally the well where Thomas disappeared, right? And what's the significance of water, I wonder? Will Regina melt if they throw a bucket of water on her?

Other things of note: Emma lying down with Mary Margaret at the end was really sweet. I liked that we got to see Frederick at school, too, although I originally thought that he was a student (he looks so young!) and was wracking my brain trying to figure out who he could be. I'm glad that Abigail got her happily ever after she seems awesome.

My favorite part of the episode, hands down, was King George riding across the field after Charming in that ridiculous armor. I laughed out loud for a minute straight, I swear. Never change, Bradford Meade.

I'm a bit confused about the timeline of this episode and 1.10, though. In "7:15 AM", Red tells Snow that Charming will marry Abigail in two days' time. That is Day 2. That night, Snow goes to Rumpelstiltskin and gets the potion, and Charming sends his letter to Snow. The next day (it is now daylight), Snow receives Charming's letter and arrives at George's castle at nightfall. George captures her, she breaks Charming's heart, and then she goes off with the dwarves. That's Day 1. On Day 0 (the day of the wedding), Charming tells Red that he will always find Snow, and Grumpy tells Snow that Charming has left Abigail, only to find that Snow has taken the potion. Where, in that timeframe, was there space for an entire extra day (we say daylight and nighttime) for Charming to rescue Frederick? Am I missing something here?

And is Mr. Gold still stuck in jail?

[SailorGirl]

Add me to the list of people who think the scary hospital basement has a new resident.

I loved how when Kathryn went to hug Regina, she tensed up -- her hand opened and she spread her fingers apart -- I can only imagine how offended the Evil Queen must have been at someone not only touching her, but touching her in kindness -- the HORROR!

So, Regina burned David's letter. What about Mary Margaret's letter? Hopefully that will find its way to its intended recipient.

Not surprised Regina spray painted the car. Just like the fight in the cemetery, she'll go ghetto when she needs to!

Emma seriously needs to start believing something or figuring something out soon -- even just a little bit. It finally started to bug me tonight -- between the story of the wishing well water and the book "magically" (no pun intended) finding its way back to her -- at least she noticed it was repaired -- something needs to click in this woman's head.

As for the whole Mary Margaret/David drama, if its true that the curse acted to make their personalities opposite of what they were in Fairy Tale Land, then its certainly having its intended effect on David. But, I also see Mary Margaret's developing a backbone as a more subtle sign of the curse starting to break/things starting to change -- meek Mary Margaret is starting to become stronger ala Snow in the forest.

Only true down side of tonight's episode? No Gold eye candy! (I ain't talking about ol' Freddie-boy!)

Edited by SailorGirl, Feb 19, 2012 @ 9:32 PM.

[callietwo]

If we continue with this line of thinking, and if we are to conclude that August is copying or even recreating the book for that matter, then he couldn't include the pages that were ripped out and burned...(simply because they were burned).

Unless he was the original writer of the book, in which case, he could recreate the stories removed and add them back?

Though, I think I like the idea that some of the stories will change a bit, based on what has happened in Storybrooke. Then I think, maybe not. I guess I don't know, yet.