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[TWoP Howard]

From TWoP and ZAP2it:

Elena discovers Damon's most recent indiscretion; Abby (Persia White) and Bonnie take part in a ritual to appease spirits of nature; Elijah (Daniel Gillies) presents Stefan and Damon with an ultimatum that puts Elena in danger.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Feb 21, 2012 @ 5:50 PM.

[NTLurker]

So Bonnie's masters killed her mother. First her grandmother and now her mother. Basically the only reason Bonnie met her mother was to do their bidding and when they were no longer needed, her mother dies?

I am surprised that nobody else has caught on to the white oak tree still existing. One would think that Michael would have found out. The episode was okay, Elijah still manages to be more badass than Klaus.

[SnowFox]

Once again Damon has to do the dirty work, and he was right about Meredith. I bet Damon will get all the blame for turning Abby into a vampire, and everyone else will forget about all the idiotic steps they took that got them to this point.

Caroline is wonderful, and Klaus burning her pictures was pathetic. What did he expect?

Come back Elijah and Kol.

Damon is hilarious. Klaus threatens to kill him. Damon dares him to go ahead. Elijah tells them they better get things fixed ASAP. Damon bitches he thought they had until 9:06.

I love snarky bad boy Damon.

Edited by SnowFox, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:07 PM.

[zombygirl]

Ok, so.... Ric's luck with women is of the super bad variety. Time to check out the boys I think. He's like TVD version of Xander Harris from Buffy at this point.

Rebeka kinda kicked ass tonight. Not that I want Elena dead or anything, but I'm all for making her wet herself a bit.

Klaus was super sexy trying to woo Caroline and I hate that he thinks she was in on it since she really wasn't. I now totally ship them, despite myself.

Bonnie... I think it's time she moved away. All this stuff happens and her family is hurt, yes, but I'm just not feeling her angst over her deadbeat mother.

Damon rules with his sexy self... that is all.

[mickeddy]

This Stefan not drinking human blood thing is a bad idea.

There are reasons he started drinking it again:
1) With older, stronger vampires (Katherine and Klaus) around, he couldn't afford not being at full strength - which he can't drinking animal blood.
And Klaus and Rebekah are still around.
2) His not drinking human blood regularly is part of the reason he can't control himself when he does drink it - that's why he started drinking a little at a time, so he could build a tolerance.
If he stops again, the limited control he's developed will be gone.
3) He was kind of a lame vampire while surviving on animal blood.

[dirtypop90]

I'm in love with this episode.


"Are you insane?" "I prefer spontaneous." - My love for Rebekah deepened tonight if that was at all possible. I was screaming at her to set that bitch on fire. Sooo bad ass, and then the writers had to ruin it by having her fall for Elena's bs speech. Boo

I loved all the Originals minus Esther and Finn of course. Sad to see Kol and Elijah go. Kol was fun and I loved his banter with Rebekah. Elijah was total badass tonight UNTIL the writers once again ruined a good thing by having him write that letter to Elena. WHYYYY??? She certainly deserved no apology or explanation! I am so team Rebekah and hope she stays around for the mere fact that she abhors Elena and how everyone rushes to save her as much as I do!

Loved Caroline tonight. Her talk with Elena when she showed up at Bonnie's door was excellent. I also loved her brief, yet very cute moment with Klaus. They sure do sparkle together.

I won't go into how much I hate Elena but she rubbed me wrong in the beginning of the episode when she asked Damon was he still upset with her and she said, "well, get over it." Really Elena Really?



Damon and Stefan are gold and the heart of this show, not Elena. Let her die, and bring Katherine back.

Edited by dirtypop90, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:11 PM.

[mac123x]

Elena Gilbert is Gilligan. So many problems would be solved if they just ate her. Seriously, how many people have died, and how many more will die just to save her life?

I'm getting pretty tired of these go-nowhere plans to kill Klaus. Kill him during the ritual, revive Mikael to kill him, open the coffin to kill him, let Esther do her spell to kill him, blah blah blah. Stop rehashing old plots.

Show isn't back until March 15. I'm not sure I will be either.

[Helmitkid25]

The only part of this episode I liked was when it seemed like Elena was close to dying. I was rooting for Rebekah to light her ass up. I'm just really tired of the "Elena is the Most Important Person that Ever Existed in the World!!!" show. And Damon turning Abby finally sealed it for me. I'm done, I'm out. Maybe I'll be able to find something at this time slot that doesn't cause me to roll my eyes consistently.

[Suspectno1]

Can anyone please tell me how the Salvatore's can ever go to Bonnie if they need help after this? After everything that she has done for them, I dont even know why I am shocked that they were considering killing her as Elena is the most important person in the world.

I really felt for Bonnie, her face when she realized that Stefan was there to possibly kill her.

Edited by Suspectno1, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:20 PM.

[zombygirl]

They were never gonna kill Bonnie though. The whole plan was to turn Abby. Should she have been scared at that moment, absolutely, but they weren't gonna kill her.

[NTLurker]

Can anyone please tell me how the Salvatore's can ever go to Bonnie if they need help after this? After everything that she has done for them, I dont even know why I am shocked that they were considering killing her as Elena is the most important person in the world.

I really felt for Bonnie, her face when she realized that Stefan was there to possibly kill her.

I think its time she realizes that they are her enemies and sides with those that want to take them down. It's getting ridiculous at this point.

[dragonfirelance]

Well Rebekah is now the most awesome vampire on the show. She was going to burn Elena alive, out of pure spite. Only one problem, why not burn the sapling once she realized the tree exist. Why even bother telling Niklaus just burn the thing and be done with it. Well in this one, I was shamelessly rooting for the originals. Also if Klaus couldn't suck any harder, mother tries to kill his entire family, and he's agnsting, because his manic pixie dream baby vamp lied to him.

Also poor Ric, I'll miss the Dalaric moments and horribly inapporpriate chemistry he had with Elena.

[Mystical]

I personally loved Elijah's note to Elena. It made me love him even more than I already did. "Always and forever." I love you Elijah!

I love Damon more and more every single episode. His plans are fantastic. I love to see his growth and at the same time I love to see him be bad.

I do not like Stefan suddenly being portrayed as the "better brother" though. It's like they're thinking everyone will suddenly forget that he was dismembering people for shits and giggles a few weeks ago.

Huge fan of the Klaus/Caroline scene. Klaus seemed likable for the first and only time.

Oh, and Alaric better not be dead.

[Helmitkid25]

Can anyone please tell me how the Salvatore's can ever go to Bonnie if they need help after this?

These are the same people who came to her after her grandmother died, because as we all know, when it comes to Elena, no matter if you just lost a loved one, you must drop everything and protect her. Her hooha must have crack hidden within it, I just don't get it.

[Mathematician]

Wild horses in a field?

For Christ sake people. Horses came to the US with the Spanish. The Spanish.

Also, clearly Elana is a serial killer. She's like the lady from Murder She Wrote.

[dirtypop90]

The way TPTB treat Bonnie is way past ridiculous. I hope they never bring Lucy back because she too would have to die in some effort to save Elena. I no longer understand why Bonnie remains friends with anyone on this show besides Matt and Caroline.

The scene where we were led to believe Stefan and Damon were flipping a coin on who would have to kill her was disgusting.

[kjz123]

Wild horses in a field?

For Christ sake people. Horses came to the US with the Spanish. The Spanish.

Thank god I'm not the only one that had that thought. I thought I was a huge nerd. I may or may not have yelled "anachronism!" at the tv.

[tigerdee41]

So many things bugged

--Esther pulling power from Bonnie's family
--NOT seeing Bonnie's reaction to mother being turned. We got a 5 minute scene of Caroline crying over her dad but all Bonnie got was a 3 second scene.
--YET another person dying because of Elena
--All of these save Elena plots. At this point I'm like let the bitch die
--All of that drama over the coffins and for what? Esther is dead and we find out there's another white oak tree?
--Klaus/Caroline scene. I think she's starting to fall for him
--Fucking Salvatore brothers flipping a coin to decide who kills Bonnie/Abby
--Elena ranting about Damon sleeping with Rebekah

Good Parts
--Caroline's speech to Elena
--Esther's speech to her children
--Klaus/Kol hunting together
--Rebekah trying to kill Elena

Edited by tigerdee41, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:25 PM.

[Suspectno1]

They were never gonna kill Bonnie though. The whole plan was to turn Abby. Should she have been scared at that moment, absolutely, but they weren't gonna kill her.

What is bugging me is the fact that they were considering it.

I no longer understand why Bonnie remains friends with anyone on this show besides Matt and Caroline.

If anything I dont understand how anyone can remain friends with Elena considering you will be on the chopping block if it means it will save her life.

I have to say I did love Caroline's speech to Elena, Bonnie is the one that tends to get hurt a lot also no one ever acknowledges what she does, I think Esther was actually the first person to actually praise her.

The scene where we were led to believe Stefan and Damon were flipping a coin on who would have to kill her was disgusting.

Urgh this, the way they were talking about it was literally like Bonnie was some random stranger.

Edited by Suspectno1, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:28 PM.

[Mathematician]

I feel like Caroline's strength is her enormous compassion. Elana...has wonderful hair.

While it might add a nice bit of reality to how people actually are, I find it off putting that so many people on this show are such hypocrites.

Rebeka with her "you were going to kill me!" Um, lady you started it AND your mother killed the woman who made Elana so you could be immortal. Also your brother killed her guardian and friends and numerous school children, let's call it even.

Elana at some point needs to walk away from her friends. She's clearly too dangerous to be around. It's like she has the bird flu and she's immune to it but anyone who comes in contact with her with die, yet she insists on hugs.

[Crucial]

I hope with Meredith being the psycho she's the next one that will be killed. One thing I didn't get was that if Michael was trying to kill his children all these years, why was Esther so happy to see Abbey if she was the one who sealed him in a tomb. I don't think she was working with them but rather using them. That whole scene looked so odd to me.

I think Elena is the one who needs to "get over it" and not Damon. Her whole attitude this season sucks. I really wish Rebekah would have tossed the lit match at her. And I am so over the whole Elena has to stay safe at all costs. She is far from innocent and the fact that Abbey had to pay the consequences for that is so wrong.

I have to say I did love Caroline's speech to Elena, Bonnie is the one that tends to get hurt a lot also no one ever acknowledges what she does, I think Esther was actually the first person to actually praise her.

I loved her speech too and it was long overdo. A part of me thinks Esther's praise was more of a way to get something she wanted and wasn't sincere.

Edited by Crucial, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:34 PM.

[Munchiewoman]

I do not like Stefan suddenly being portrayed as the "better brother" though. It's like they're thinking everyone will suddenly forget that he was dismembering people for shits and giggles a few weeks ago.

Suddenly?? It's always been that way, going back to season 1. Stefan stalks Elena, lies to her over and over, rips bodies apart, terrorizes her on the bridge where her parents died, and DAMON is bad because he doesn't want her to hand herself over to a sneaky witch and actually dares to take some cold comfort from Elena's enemy?

Seriously, Meredith better not have killed Ric. There's just no coming back from that.

I haven't felt so heartbroken for Damon since his existential crisis. He's the one who always does the dirty work, and he did it for his brother, to keep him from swinging off the deep end again. And he's going to be hated for it, as usual.

Seriously, have the people who wrote Lana Lang joined this show or something, because Elena is creeping into that territory for me, and I always liked her before. "It's not my fault." Uh, yeah, when you hand over your blood without knowing what's going to be done with it, yes it kind of is. Maybe, for once, next time you'll listen when Damon tries to stop you from being colossally stupid. But I doubt it. Plus, it's really none of her damn business who Damon sleeps with. And her annoyed "get over it" should have been directed her own way.

[Dust Bunny]

I didn't even bat an eyelash at that last scene. Alaric's not dead. And if he is, I'm desensitized by now. I love the character, but you can only threaten someone's life so many times before I stop caring.

I'm really bugged that Ayanna was Esther's mentor, and yet Esther is still considered the Original Witch.

I'm losing respect for everyone. I appreciate nuance with shows like "The West Wing", but with shows like TVD I want some black and white villains. Paging pure cutthroat badassery, please.

Yet, Elijah still manages to be cool. That has more to do with Daniel Gillies and his mere presence than anything else.

And will Elena just die, please. Everyone would win off that. People would get their lives, brains, balls, ovaries, and free will back.

Edited by Dust Bunny, Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:35 PM.

[ande]

What has happened to Elena? SHE hurts Damon not just once (by excluding him from the plan and having Stefan breaking his neck), but twice (telling him his love for her is a problem) and she tells him he just needs to get over it? WTF??? She can't even say 'sorry?'

I'm sure once again everything is going to be blamed on Damon. Elena is the one who caused this, Damon just had to clean it up. I wouldn't mind Bonnie for hating Damon, but everyone else should understand that this is Elena's fault for once again not keeping her mouth shut.

So, Dr. Fell is the killer. Surprise, surprise. Damon is right, AGAIN and no one listened to him, AGAIN. Why are the writers making so many of the characters so stupid?

Run away Damon. Go with Elijah. The two of you can be fabulous together.

[TrishaLyn]

What I found so beautiful about Caroline's speech to Elena was the subtext I got from it. She said that while she knows Bonnie loves Elena and is happy she's alive, it is always her who ends up getting hurt instead.

It's a wonderfully complex idea because the fact of the matter is, it's almost always somebody else getting hurt - not Elena. Caroline, in particular, has faced a lot of crap as a result of her place in Elena's life as well - she was turned into a vampire simply to be a pawn in the Stefan/Elena/Damon/Katherine war, she's lost her father, her boyfriend is a sired hybrid, etc. Not to say that any of these things are Elena's fault. They're not. I think Caroline was simply pointing out that in this entire war that seems to revolve around Elena, OTHER people are always the ones getting hurt. I think Elena does need to recognize that.

Great moment, VD writers.

[dragonfirelance]

Also, yeah the coin flip scene wowrked for me. It shows exactly how much the good vampires, besides Caroline, actually value human life. They've known Bonnie for a year and their flipping a coin to see who gets to kill her or her mother, not because her life has value. Not because she saved their thankless asses twice in S1. No because they don't want to piss of Elena. I mean seriously Bonnie is nothing more than a magic machine to the Salvatores and nice to see their as Petrova whipped as ever.

Elena, OMG at the end of this episode. Bonnie's mom just died due to your Salvatores and your crying about how Bonnie doesn't want to see you right now. Also nice possesive streak with Damon; because of course it would take complusion for him to forget you and your BS. Also nice to get up in arms about that now, considering that what he did to your best friend.

I mean I should root for the protagonists, and rooting those attempting to burn them alive.

[Ladyhawke]

Wow...this episode flew by.

I really loved it. Rebekah was awesome, Elijah was great...I even loved Kol and Klaus bonding over beer. I'd been kind of "meh" on the whole Original Family ("meh" as in I was tired of them taking over my show and, except for Elijah, wanted them all to go away...) but that power shot as they faced off against Esther? Hells yeah. I'm on board, show. You got me.

I'm a sucker for a well shot powershot.

However...wow, was I surprised at just how ineffectual Stefan was in this whole episode. I mean...he literally did...like, nothing. He got thrown into a wall, moped about being on animal blood...kinda threatened Bonnie...but otherwise...he was basically there so that Damon wasn't talking to himself.

Damon came up with 2 viable plans and granted, the first one didn't work in that it got thwarted, but he got the job done the whole episode. He made all the tough decisions, especially in the end with turning Abby. With his suspicions that Stefan was starting to be even more Emo!Stefan than he was in S1, he couldn't leave their only chance at saving Elena rest on Stefan's shoulders.

As usual...Damon gets stuck doing the heavy lifting and Stefan gets all the glory. He broke my heart with his "I'm much better at being the bad guy." I think we can term, with this latest act, him as at least, a "self-sacrificing anti-hero"...b/c...Damn.

...and if Elena goes to him and is all "I can't believe you turned Bonnie's mother!" I'm going to reach through my television screen and throw a brick at her head.

I don't really feel anything for Bonnie's angst b/c it's not like her mom was all that great. She abandoned her for umpteen years, found herself a replacement child, and only now returned to Mystic Falls b/c of the heaping plate of guilt Bonnie placed on her with a side of self-riteous posturing. Plus, I get that Bonnie's got a thing of hatred for vampires...but it's not like Damon killed her forever...which he could have done and accomplished the same thing. Nope, he found a loophole (as usual) and exploited it (as usual).

MVP goes to Damon, all the way.

And he was right about Alaric's girlfriend!

Poor Alaric can't win for losing tho, man. I'll be mad if he's dead tho. Super mad.

[SnowFox]

I haven't felt so heartbroken for Damon since his existential crisis. He's the one who always does the dirty work, and he did it for his brother, to keep him from swinging off the deep end again. And he's going to be hated for it, as usual.

This. I hope Rebekah shows up at Damon's door, and thanks him for her still being alive even though she knows he didn't do it for her. Then Damon and Rebekah need to go find Elijah and Kol. Damon needs to say to hell with Stefan and Elena. If Alaric isn't dead, maybe he'll start listening to Damon and leave town with him.

[Lila82]

Historical inaccuracies aside, I'm so confused about this Ayana/Original Witch stuff. If MamaOriginal is the "Original" witch, doesn't that mean her line originate witchcraft? Or does it just mean she's the witch who cursed the Original vampires? Ugh, this show makes my brain hurt, when it really shouldn't.

Kol and Finn are way too acclimated to modern life when they've roaming about in the 21st Century for approximately three days. Although, I do love Rebekah's continued love affair with the iPhone. Wait until she discovers Instagram.

I'm not thrilled with Elena's behavior for the past few episodes, but I don't see how Abby turning is her fault. Ayana is the one who dragged the Bennetts into the Originals mess. Esther would have tracked them down regardless of Elena or the Salvatores; her life was just made everything easier because Bonnie was already in the Originals' vicinity. It's not Elena's fault that Ayana helped Esther set the original curse. It's not Elena's fault that Damon and Stefan will kill for her. It's not even her fault that Bonnie keeps saying yes when all common sense would have had her severing this friendship the moment Grams collapsed. I can't blame Elena for people loving her, because they've all chosen to love her and do these things for her. My first instinct is to blame the writing, but I can only work with what they've given us...and perhaps suggest changing the show to "Everyone Loves Elena." And what I've taken away is that these people really do choose to sacrifice themselves for Elena. They choose to love her, knowing that bad things follow her (and them) wherever they go. A core theme of this show is free will, and the characters, inane and frustrating as it can be, use their free will to service Elena's needs. Which is also why I loved Rebekah's and Caroline's speeches so much; sometimes the hard truth is the best.

Elijah? Can we say transference? I'm not feeling his actual connection with Elena, but they do have good chemistry. Time to bring back Katherine.

Also? Despite her beauty queen hair, Caroline really does spark with every male in her vicinity. She and Klaus just sparkle together.

[kmk23]

I love this show, but this episode was kind of awful. So repetitive. Elena in danger! yawn. Have to kill/hurt a Bennet to save her! yawn. Special moon-related ritual! yawn. Plan to kill Klaus! yawn. Stefan struggling with his blood addiction/guilt! biggest yawn ever. Come on, show! you're better than this. I feel like I've seen every part of this episode 10 times before in the past two seasons.

Bright spots: Rebekah was delightful, as ever. I'm kinda glad Dr Fell is a serial killer. Interested to see the reason for it. I still love Caroline.

Elena, sidebar- what is your deal, exactly? Are you lashing out at Damon in order to push him away? The whole "get over it" thing was weird and uncharacteristic of her. Especially since she had just told Stefan the night before that she said something she regret. I assumed it was that, but maybe not. She didn't seem to regret it the next morning. I wouldn't mind generally, it just seems to lack consistency.

This might actually be the first brief hiatus that I'm not bummed about. I mean, I'll be there March 15, don't get me wrong. I just feel like the show is in a bit of a slump, plot-wise. For the love of God, they have to give Stefan something to do other than mope and feel guilty. I don't care what it is, but something.